Re: Iodine and Botox

[Guest guest]

They say they give me 20 units at each treatment, as they charge by the unit. I hope they didn't dilute it, that wouldn't be very honest of them.

J.

Iodine and Botoxiodine Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:39 PM

I've been taking Iodoral for several months, and am now taking 62.5mg. and feeling very well, no detox symptoms, although I was a little achy sometimes when I was on 50mg., it stopped right away when I increased the dosage to 62.5mg.I have those deep vertical frown lines between my eyebrows, and since they bother me, I have had Botox treatments which flattens them right out, and lasts about 4-5 months.The interesting thing is, I had another Botox treatment a little over two weeks ago. It didn't work! I felt some very slight effects for a couple of days, and then nothing. Do you think it's possible that the iodine pushed the stuff right out of my cells? Has anyone else heard of this? Just thought it was interesting!Thanks,Jan

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this information, I didn't know there was a difference. I have an appointment this Thursday to talk to her about it, so I will ask about units of actual Botox vs units of volume.

Thanks again,

Jan

Iodine and Botoxiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:39 PM

I've been taking Iodoral for several months, and am now taking 62.5mg. and feeling very well, no detox symptoms, although I was a little achy sometimes when I was on 50mg., it stopped right away when I increased the dosage to 62.5mg.I have those deep vertical frown lines between my eyebrows, and since they bother me, I have had Botox treatments which flattens them right out, and lasts about 4-5 months.The interesting thing is, I had another Botox treatment a little over two weeks ago. It didn't work! I felt some very slight effects for a couple of days, and then nothing. Do you think it's possible that the iodine pushed the stuff right out of my cells? Has anyone else heard of this? Just thought it was interesting!Thanks,Jan

[Guest guest]

Did you make only the vertical lines between eyebrows (glabellar

region)? 20 units can be too little if you have to do a complete

treatment including glabellar region, the forehead horizontal lines,

and the lines on the outer side of the eyes. In this case, with my

female patients I use 33 units, and up to 50 units in males with deep wrinkles.

, MD

Italy

At 04.58 15/06/2008, you wrote:

>They say they give me 20 units at each treatment, as they charge by

>the unit. I hope they didn't dilute it, that wouldn't be very honest of them.

>

>J.

[Guest guest]

Botox? isn't that a poison? I heard that it has some serious longterm

side effects. Are your wrinkles that bad? phine

>

>

> From: Jan T. <jan.t@...>

> Subject: Iodine and Botox

> iodine

> Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:39 PM

>

>

> I've been taking Iodoral for several months, and am now

taking 62.5mg. and

> feeling very well, no detox symptoms, although I was a

little achy sometimes

> when I was on 50mg., it stopped right away when I

increased the dosage to

> 62.5mg.

> I have those deep vertical frown lines between my

eyebrows, and since they

> bother me, I have had Botox treatments which flattens them

right out, and

> lasts about 4-5 months.

> The interesting thing is, I had another Botox treatment a

little over two

> weeks ago. It didn't work! I felt some very slight effects

for a couple of

> days, and then nothing. Do you think it's possible that

the iodine pushed

> the stuff right out of my cells? Has anyone else heard of

this? Just

> thought it was interesting!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr. from Italy,

So please tell us what is botox? and what are the longterm side

effects? and do people have reactions to this treatment? and if so

what kind of reactions? and how do you treat those reactions?

Thanks. phine.

>

> >They say they give me 20 units at each treatment, as they charge by

> >the unit. I hope they didn't dilute it, that wouldn't be very

honest of them.

> >

> >J.

>

[Guest guest]

And I also want to know how effective is iodine against botox poisoning?

phine

> >

> > >They say they give me 20 units at each treatment, as they charge by

> > >the unit. I hope they didn't dilute it, that wouldn't be very

> honest of them.

> > >

> > >J.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

First of all I want to state that I am an MD

practicing homeopathy and other alternative

treatments. Years ago, some of my patients began

to ask me also for some aesthetic medicine. I

began with homeopathic mesotherapy and

homeopathic face revitalisation (that I still

do). Then I added other kind of revitalisations

(always natural substances like vitamins,

aminoacids, hyaluronic acid) and also hyaluronic acid fillers.

Lately, some asked for botox too, so I began to

use it on a few patient (of course every patients

read and sign a paper of informed consent before any treatment).

I usually use a lower dose of botox (usually 33

units for all three places, so only 10-12 units

per sector are used), instead of the 50 full

units advised by manufacturer. In this way I

obtain a more natural look and surely less risk

for adverse effects. In my (limited) practice I

never had any adverse effect yet. What I noticed

is that in USA the trend seems to be to use full

dosages, obtaining an effect often too innatural,

according to my taste, that wouldn't be well loved here in Europe.

Here some info I gathered abot botox:

Botox is a therapeutic muscle-relaxing agent that

works at motor nerve endings (nerves that lead to

muscles). It is derived from the bacterium,

Clostridium Botulinum and it's also known as

Botulinum Toxin Type A. It is produced in

controlled laboratory conditions and given in

extremely small therapeutic doses. It is in a

class of drugs called neurotoxins. Please be

aware that only the product manufactured by

Allergan is the " true " botox, while there are

cheaper copycats from China that can be less

effective and much more dangerous. So be sure

what your doctor is using. As with any

medication, potential side effects of Botox do

exists, and vary according to injection site,

dose, frequency of injections, and the amount of

physician expertise. Most side effects­ such as

pain, tenderness, or bruising at the injection

site­are temporary and occur within a few days

after treatment. The most common side effects of

injections around the eyes and in the face

include temporary bruising, eyelid drooping

(ptosis), dry eyes, and double vision (diplopia).

It is generally agreed that in the hands of

experienced physicians, these side effects are considered rare.

What long-term clinical data exist show a

medication with a good record of safety. In a

study of 65 patients who received repeated

injections for 10 years, side effects were all

temporary and mild and decreased after repeated

injections (Defazio 2002). Examination of the eye

muscles after Botox has shown that repeated

injections do not cause irreversible muscle

atrophy (wasting) or any other degenerative

changes (Borodic 1992), and muscle function after

injection reverts to normal (de Paiva 1999).

Best

At 09.22 15/06/2008, you wrote:

>Hi Dr. from Italy,

>So please tell us what is botox? and what are the longterm side

>effects? and do people have reactions to this treatment? and if so

>what kind of reactions? and how do you treat those reactions?

>Thanks. phine.

[Guest guest]

Thank-you Dr. .

What I had heard is that some people who have had the botox therapy

are now experiencing difficulty swallowing and paralysis. Can iodine

reverse this?

phine

>

> >Hi Dr. from Italy,

> >So please tell us what is botox? and what are the longterm side

> >effects? and do people have reactions to this treatment? and if so

> >what kind of reactions? and how do you treat those reactions?

> >Thanks. phine.

>

[Guest guest]

Death by Botox? The Hidden Toll of the Quest for Beauty

(NaturalNews) How far are you willing to go for beauty? Would you be

willing to gamble your life? Because that's what women are doing when

they choose to receive Botox injections, based on analysis by Ralph

Nadar's watchdog group, Public Citizen

((http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/releas...) . With 16 recorded

deaths from the popular form of plastic surgery, Public Citizen is

calling on the FDA to put a " black box " warning on the Botox label.

Botox is a neurotoxin that is made from botulinum toxin A, part of the

same family of poisons as botulism, a common cause of fatal food

poisoning. Botox is used to treat facial wrinkles (particularly on the

forehead) by paralyzing the muscles of the face. Popular with

celebrities, it has been lauded as a safe and effective way to stop

aging. One anti-aging site (ironically called " RealSelf.com " ) crowed

about so-called Botox " miracles "

((http://www.realself.com/article/botox_c...):

" Madonna, Kylie Minogue and Liz Hurley are rumored to be repeat

customers on the Botox scene. Judging by their well-rested, youthful

and glowing skin, Botox seems to be effective in maintaining an

appearance of youth. "

With the perception that Botox is safe, and being a relatively

inexpensive form of plastic surgery (a few hundred dollars per shot),

women have flocked to receive Botox hits. According to statistics from

the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, 3.8 million Botox treatments

were performed in the United States in 2005 for a total of almost $1.4

billion.

But what's the real story on Botox? Is it really a good idea to

purposefully inject a toxin into your face?

According to Botox critics, Botox isn't as safe as it seems. The toxin

can spread from the forehead to other parts of the face and body,

causing paralysis where it was not intended. Women who use Botox often

report that they experience adverse effects to the treatment,

particularly when they massage the injected area. Massaging the area

apparently moves the toxin around the body and can cause headaches and

other side effects such as droopy eyelids and more.

Consider the many anecdotal reports from Botox users on the Internet:

" I just did botox for the first time and have experienced a horrible

side effect called ptosis (eye lid drooping) in one of my eyes. It is

so bad that I have one eye almost completely closed and cannot

properly see out of it. I feel and look like a monster, " writes one

Botox victim ((http://www.steadyhealth.com/botox_night...) . " My

doctor says this has never happened to any of his patients and advises

the only thing I can do is wait. I've been waiting and trying to stay

positive but it seems my problem is progressively getting worse hour

by hour. I just don't know what to do anymore. "

Here's another report from a 30-year-old female who received a

combination of Botox and Juvederm three weeks in advance of an

important first date ((http://messageboards.makemeheal.com/vie...):

" After a few weeks I developed brown bruising, weird swelling which

casts shadows and a sunken appearance around my orbital rims. And also

my brows are droopy not lifted from botox, " she wrote. " ...I've taken

copious pictures before and after. The difference is striking and

depressing. I look suddenly older, tired and expressionless. All this

combines to make me, a 30 year-old, look 10-15 years older. "

Not only did her family and co-workers note her " weird appearance, "

but she lost her chance with her date, who thought that she had

altered her photographs prior to meeting him.

Even celebrities are vowing to ditch the Botox needle. Actress

Huston swore off Botox when the toxin froze her face

((http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php...) . She explained, " I went

to a doctor who said, ', we have this wonderful new thing,

it's called Botox.' He took a huge needle and plunged it into my third

eye. The pain was something inexplicable. I gasped, I writhed and when

I came to, I had a headache that lasted four days. A serious one. "

But there's a bigger danger with Botox: death.

Public Citizen analyzed FDA data on Botox from 1997 to 2006. Among the

findings: 180 patients developed life-threatening conditions after

being injected with Botox, with 16 deaths and 87 hospitalizations.

Four of the deaths occurred in children under 18. The injections of

the neurotoxin, which is used to induce paralysis at the wrinkled

area, apparently also caused paralysis of the respiratory muscles and

dysphagia (difficulty swallowing), leading to pneumonia and fluid in

the lungs.

Additionally, 658 cases of patients having adverse effects to Botox

were reported. Because these reports were voluntary and came from the

makers of Botox, they are estimated to account for only 10 percent of

all cases.

In response to these findings, Public Citizen drafted a petition to

the FDA requesting a letter be sent to doctors warning of possible

Botox adverse effects, as well as a " black box " label on the

packaging. Public Citizen is also asking that doctors be required to

provide a medication guide to patients warning them about the

potential side effects of Botox.

" These significantly improved warnings to doctors and patients would

increase the likelihood of earlier medical intervention when symptoms

of adverse reactions to botulinum toxin first appear and could prevent

more serious complications, including death, " said Dr. Sidney Wolfe,

director of Public Citizen's Health Research Group. " Nobody should be

dying from injected botulinum toxin, Educating physicians and patients

about what adverse symptoms to look for and when to seek immediate

medical attention will save lives. "

Public Citizen cites the following symptoms as warning signs that

could lead to a fatal form of Botox poisoning: dry mouth, difficulty

swallowing, difficulty breathing, slurred speech, drooping eyelids and

muscle weakness.

There's even greater danger when Botox is administered improperly. In

2004, Bonnie and Kaplan received an overdose of Botox from a

doctor and had to be hospitalized and put on respirators

(http://www.wsbtv.com/health/4166244/detail.html) . In critical

condition, they could not speak or breathe on their own, and they

could barely move. Kaplan had to be fed through a tube placed

into his stomach. They filed a lawsuit against the doctor, alleging

that he used an improperly mixed dose of Botox that was 10 times

stronger than normal.

If the physical dangers are not enough, British doctors performed a

study in 2006 and found that Botox injections can be psychologically

addicting, with four out of 10 receiving injections compulsively

((http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh...) .

Low self-esteem and an obsession with outer beauty appear to be the

culprits. As pop star Numan's wife Gemma Numan said:

" I have regular injections of Botox. When I have had one treatment, I

can't wait for the next. Every minute takes me nearer to my goal:

looking better and feeling happier. Without it, I feel ugly, unsexy

and unlovable. "

The question then becomes: Would you rather feel unsexy, or would you

rather be dead?

About the author

Brail is a wellness coach, healer and hypnotherapist. She

provides information and perspectives on alternative health,

well-being, spirituality, and more at www.feelgoodgirl.com.

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[Guest guest]

This is an interesting discussion. To my mind it sounds as if Botox

is a natural toxin, something one would not like to have in the body,

if given a choice, because toxins are lethal...see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin

and iodine is a " good thing " , quote: " Iodine also protects against

cancer, it provides the lymph with extra fighting power to eliminate

toxins from the blood. " end of quote. (I took the quote from here:)

http://healthcaretreatment.info/

so, it seems to me quite plausible that the extra iodine could be

responsible for getting rid of the botox injected...a " no-

brainer " ...? Anyway, vanity and money can perhaps sometimes get in

the way of common sense...?

.

>

>

> From: Jan T. <jan.tcomcast (DOT) net>

> Subject: Iodine and Botox

> iodinegroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:39 PM

>

>

> I've been taking Iodoral for several months,

and am now taking 62.5mg. and

> feeling very well, no detox symptoms, although

I was a little achy sometimes

> when I was on 50mg., it stopped right away when

I increased the dosage to

> 62.5mg.

> I have those deep vertical frown lines between

my eyebrows, and since they

> bother me, I have had Botox treatments which

flattens them right out, and

> lasts about 4-5 months.

> The interesting thing is, I had another Botox

treatment a little over two

> weeks ago. It didn't work! I felt some very

slight effects for a couple of

> days, and then nothing. Do you think it's

possible that the iodine pushed

> the stuff right out of my cells? Has anyone

else heard of this? Just

> thought it was interesting!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jan

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I only had the two vertical lines between the eyebrows done.

Thanks,

Jan

Re: Iodine and Botox

> Did you make only the vertical lines between eyebrows (glabellar

> region)? 20 units can be too little if you have to do a complete

> treatment including glabellar region, the forehead horizontal lines,

> and the lines on the outer side of the eyes. In this case, with my

> female patients I use 33 units, and up to 50 units in males with deep

> wrinkles.

> , MD

> Italy

>

> At 04.58 15/06/2008, you wrote:

>

>>They say they give me 20 units at each treatment, as they charge by

>>the unit. I hope they didn't dilute it, that wouldn't be very honest of

>>them.

>>

>>J.

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is a toxin, which is why it paralyzes the muscles where it is

injected. The Botox Cosmetic does not contain the bacterial spores and is

used in such small amounts that most people have absolutely no problem with

it. I find I have almost no headaches when I am using it, which is great

for me. My wrinkles are deep enough that they really bother me, and they

make me feel like I am scowling all the time, so I really do feel a lot

better without them.

It's just one of those decisions we each have to make for ourselves. I do

many things to keep healthy, but this is something that makes me feel so

much better that I am willing to take what I feel is a small risk to be

happier.

It was just interesting to me that the first time I had a treatment while on

iodine, the Botox had no effect.

Jan

Iodine and Botox

>> iodine

>> Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:39 PM

>>

>>

>> I've been taking Iodoral for several months, and am now

> taking 62.5mg. and

>> feeling very well, no detox symptoms, although I was a

> little achy sometimes

>> when I was on 50mg., it stopped right away when I

> increased the dosage to

>> 62.5mg.

>> I have those deep vertical frown lines between my

> eyebrows, and since they

>> bother me, I have had Botox treatments which flattens them

> right out, and

>> lasts about 4-5 months.

>> The interesting thing is, I had another Botox treatment a

> little over two

>> weeks ago. It didn't work! I felt some very slight effects

> for a couple of

>> days, and then nothing. Do you think it's possible that

> the iodine pushed

>> the stuff right out of my cells? Has anyone else heard of

> this? Just

>> thought it was interesting!

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Jan

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, 20 units is the standard dosage for the glabellar region, I

usually use something less, like 15-16 units and it works just fine.

I have no idea about the iodine against botox effect thing.

At 17.45 15/06/2008, you wrote:

>Yes, I only had the two vertical lines between the eyebrows done.

>Thanks,

>

>Jan

>

> Re: Iodine and Botox

>

> > Did you make only the vertical lines between eyebrows (glabellar

> > region)? 20 units can be too little if you have to do a complete

> > treatment including glabellar region, the forehead horizontal lines,

> > and the lines on the outer side of the eyes. In this case, with my

> > female patients I use 33 units, and up to 50 units in males with deep

> > wrinkles.

> > , MD

> > Italy

> >

> > At 04.58 15/06/2008, you wrote:

> >

> >>They say they give me 20 units at each treatment, as they charge by

> >>the unit. I hope they didn't dilute it, that wouldn't be very honest of

> >>them.

> >>

> >>J.

> >

> >

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> >

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> >