Re: Why does my bp and pulse go up with armour?

[Guest guest]

Bump----anybody?

I dropped 1/4 grain yesterday and I have only been up 3 hours and I am

so sleepy I am back laid on the bed aghh so I have taken the 1 1\2

today. before i took it my bp and heart rate were down a bit again.

>

> Hi folks

>

> Was wondering why worryingly my already high bp goes up as my Armour

> goes up? Also my pulse rate was 103 when I took my bp which was

> 166/103 about 1hr after I got up this afternoon? I don't feel hyper

> but I am still short of breath, that comes in fits and starts and is

> worse last couple of days

>

> lotsa luv

> Dawnx

>

> PS been on 1 1\2 grains for last 2 days not taken extra 1\2 grain

> today yet.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

Have you had any Immunoglobulin tests carried out?

Candidiasis ought to be affecting those immunoglobulins.

best wishes

Bob

>

> Hi folks

>

> Was wondering why worryingly my already high bp goes up as my Armour

> goes up? Also my pulse rate was 103 when I took my bp which was

> 166/103 about 1hr after I got up this afternoon? I don't feel hyper

> but I am still short of breath, that comes in fits and starts and is

> worse last couple of days

>

> lotsa luv

> Dawnx

>

> PS been on 1 1\2 grains for last 2 days not taken extra 1\2 grain

> today yet.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

thanks for answering

Not lately, I tested between 1 and 200 somewhere for TPOs a couple of

years ago, is that the test? which tests should I be asking for, that

is the only one i ever had which I heard about on the net is that the

one you mean?

luv Dawnx

> >

> > Hi folks

> >

> > Was wondering why worryingly my already high bp goes up as my Armour

> > goes up? Also my pulse rate was 103 when I took my bp which was

> > 166/103 about 1hr after I got up this afternoon? I don't feel hyper

> > but I am still short of breath, that comes in fits and starts and is

> > worse last couple of days

> >

> > lotsa luv

> > Dawnx

> >

> > PS been on 1 1\2 grains for last 2 days not taken extra 1\2 grain

> > today yet.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have you yet heard anything back from your PCT Dawn concerning getting somebody to check the tablets and any adverse reactions etc? Also, has anybody from your GP's practice contacted you either?

Luv - Sheila

Bump----anybody?I dropped 1/4 grain yesterday and I have only been up 3 hours and I amso sleepy I am back laid on the bed aghh so I have taken the 1 1\2today. before i took it my bp and heart rate were down a bit again.>> Hi folks> > Was wondering why worryingly my already high bp goes up as my Armour> goes up? Also my pulse rate was 103 when I took my bp which was> 166/103 about 1hr after I got up this afternoon? I don't feel hyper> but I am still short of breath, that comes in fits and starts and is> worse last couple of days> > lotsa luv> Dawnx> > PS been on 1 1\2 grains for last 2 days not taken extra 1\2 grain> today yet.>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

There ought to be some results that address the fungal/yeast infection

IgG IgA IgM ~ that's Immunoglobulins (G,A and M)

there should be a set of results from at least a year ago if you've had

this condition for more than a year. A doctor ought to have been

following this up. Many women get this condition; for some, it's diet,

for others it's their medical condition and their genetic pre-

disposition to candidiasis.

Were you recently saying that too much magnesium causes you to come out

in a rash or was that someone else?

best wishes

Bob

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[Guest guest]

Do you feel that you have reached your sweet spot for armour. I find that I have to wait ages before any increase, and would only ever increase by 1/4 grain per couple of months as I have found that to do things very slowly is the best way.

I expect that your adrenals are not coping with any increases, and need to be better supported first. Are you supporting them well. I would try taking your temps as per Dr Rind and this will better tell you what is happening.

I would also expect that if you start to support your adrenals you may get a thyroid dump, so make sure that you decrease your armour drastically to allow for this.

Also hyper feel different in different people. I have never had a palpitation, even when having a thyroid dump.

Val

> Was wondering why worryingly my already high bp goes up as my Armour> goes up? Also my pulse rate was 103 when I took my bp which was> 166/103 about 1hr after I got up this afternoon? I don't feel hyper> but I am still short of breath, that comes in fits and starts and is> worse last couple of days> > lotsa luv> Dawnx> > PS been on 1 1\2 grains for last 2 days not taken extra 1\2 grain> today yet.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

no, I was not the one who came out in a rash I am just getting hand

ezcema lately but not because of magnesium, I was the one with the

bipolar type symptoms that you suggested magnesium to which helped a

lot along with my HC cream.

I have never had these tests in my life as far as I can remember, I

just know I have candida because I threw some dental floss down the

loo before I got in the bath and when I got out to flush it, well the

growth of candida coming off that floss was terrible.

I don't think the doc believes in Candida, the reason I got some anti

fungals once before I because I have terrible toe nail with a fungal

nail infection, it has never gone away.

I will ask them to test me, if this indicates candida there is

treatment for it, the doc will not do any tests which he says he

cannot 'effectively improve my health by the results of' or something

to that effect.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

> Hi Dawn

>

> There ought to be some results that address the fungal/yeast infection

>

> IgG IgA IgM ~ that's Immunoglobulins (G,A and M)

>

> there should be a set of results from at least a year ago if you've had

> this condition for more than a year. A doctor ought to have been

> following this up. Many women get this condition; for some, it's diet,

> for others it's their medical condition and their genetic pre-

> disposition to candidiasis.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shiela

No nobody has contacted me from PCT yet and i have to be honest I have

put the letters in envelopes and I had them in my bag to post but I

had no stamps and was not in the postition to go to the shop for any

and my hubby keeps forgetting, I left the letters out for him to do.

So I am going to nag which I hate doing but i know this is important.

The doctors one will get posted through the door by hand and the other

I will send off tonight, I will somehow get myself some stamps from

the local shop. If it had not been for you my friend the PCT one would

probably be still in my bag too, thanks so much, you are fantastic.d

luv Dawnx

> Have you yet heard anything back from your PCT Dawn concerning

getting somebody to check the tablets and any adverse reactions etc?

Also, has anybody from your GP's practice contacted you either?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val

No way that I could have reached my sweet spot yet, I am just

struggling to get onto the 1 1/2 grains and prior to my embarking on

the Armour path the doc was putting my up to 200 mcg of thyroxine.

I don't know if the bp is because my adrenals were always having

trouble that i was so ill on thyroxine, no way of knowing now. My

heart rate was often very fast, in fact I was thinking I am wearing

the poor old thing out lol. It is down to a lowly 93bpm this morning

oh joy.

I take my temps every day twice and they seem to be settled even

though I have put up the armour, perhaps the hc cream and drops of

glandular is sufficient but of course I am stabbing in the dark here

really not knowing what is causing what really. I put the armour back

up to 1 1/2 again yesterday, because I was so weary. I know I should

be slow and I am going to hold this dose for 4 or 5 weeks now if I

manage to get onto it to see how I go on. Do you think these are signs

of hyper Val?

I know you say you don't get all the hyper symptoms.

I have no way of supporting my adrenals any better other than this

without importing HC pills which really scares the pants off me. Do

you think that would be the way to go?

lotsa luv

Dawnx

> Do you feel that you have reached your sweet spot for armour. I

find that I have to wait ages before any increase, and would only ever

increase by 1/4 grain per couple of months as I have found that to do

things very slowly is the best way.

>

> I expect that your adrenals are not coping with any increases, and

need to be better supported first. Are you supporting them well. I

would try taking your temps as per Dr Rind and this will better tell

you what is happening.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

In what way do you think that using cream is less scary than taking hc pills? Each 1/4 teaspoonfull = 10mg hc pill.

It took me a while to get up to 15mg or 20mg/day of hc. It caused a horrible thyroid dump at first. This is why some people stop their thyroid when starting adrenal support, and others reduce what they are taking being ready to stop if they get a dump.

How accurately are you measuring any hc cream? Are you using a scale or syringe? I do not think one should play with guessing measurements - I am not saying that you are, just that people generally think that "just a cream" when it is just as potent as pills.

Did you do the adrenal salivary test before starting supporting your adrenals?

Would you feel less scared using isocort. Lots of people find this sufficient. Personally I take a mixture of hc & isocort.

It certainly sounds like you are not converting, and not adequate adrenal support is one thing which can cause this.

Val

I have no way of supporting my adrenals any better other than thiswithout importing HC pills which really scares the pants off me. Doyou think that would be the way to go?lotsa luvDawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Val

You raise some fair points there, I am a little bit hit and miss with

the cream, I do tend to guess by length of squeeze how much I am

taking and I am probably if I look carefully not doing it absolutely

properly. Also I know it is not really rational for me to not want to

take pills but I am on so many oral things and I have stomach erosions

already from years of medications.

I am thinking you are probably correct about my not converting

properly ybe because of adrenals which showed low output on the saliva

test but not at night when it shoots up (wrong time of day of course)

and I am now also thinking what if I put my hc cream on by syringe if

that would be better, I shall get my fiancee to get me one tomorrow. I

also will take more of the glandular starting tomorrow too. I am

certainly not looking forward to a thyroid dump, if in fact it happens

I don't know what to expect. Is that when the body suddenly converts

everything and takes it into the cells too fast?

lotsa luv

Dawnxi

>

> Hi Dawn,

>

> In what way do you think that using cream is less scary than taking

hc pills? Each 1/4 teaspoonfull = 10mg hc pill.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

The more I read about you and your symptoms, the more it becomes clear that your adrenals could be at the back of everything you are suffering. Do you have a copy of Dr Peatfield's book "your thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy". In this book, he explains fully about adrenal problems. I have dipped in and out to give you the basics of what he says - so it is a bit long. I have uploaded this to our FILES so it is available for other members to read and understand.

As you are aware, there is an inside and an outside to your adrenals, each responsible for different things.

The 'inside' produces adrenalin and we all know this allows the body to deal with immediate stress and about the 'flight or flight reaction. When you have a surge of anger or fear, these hormones are released into the blood stream, where they mobilise extra blood sugar which increases your BP and heart rate. With an adrenalin surge, you have an immediate increase in energy and muscle strength and you can suddenly cope with huge energy demands and deal with a huge crisis situation.

The 'outside' though is what concerns most of us and this has 3 layers.

The outer layer produces mineralocorticoids, represented chiefly by aldosterone which regulates fluid and electrolyte balance by promoting the retention in the blood stream of sodium and the loss of potassium.

The next layer produces the glucocorticoids, mostly cortisol (hydrocortisone, but also cortisone. The active hormone is hydrocortisone. The glucocorticoids have two main effects: one is the ability to mobilise and form glucose from non-sugar sources (fats and proteins); the other is to maintain blood pressure. In this way, the glucocorticoids work in the body to protect the body from longer term (moderate and chronic) stress.

The last layer produces sex hormones and anabolic steroids, that is, androgens and oestrogen. These are represented by DHEA and androstendione. The latter can be converted in the fatty tissues of the body to the female sex hormone oestriol. Testosterone is also produced.

Normally, these hormones are produced elsewhere, but if normal sources fail, the adrenals can take over. Androgens have the important role in promotion growth and repair of body tissue, especially muscle tissue, as well as their obvious purpose keeping men male. This layer is weakened by the passage of time and its hormones decline until they are running at a fraction of the output they were in youth.

It is the cortisone production by the adrenals that concerns us. Our ability to produce this hormone depends on our capacity for fighting off the effects environmental challenges. Injury, illness, deprivation, work or personal stress. Cortisone is the stress buster of the body. It is produced regularly in peaks and troughs. The highest levels are in the morning, declining as the day progresses and building up again during the small hours. Although the word cortisone may worry you, it is a natural substance that we all make and need for our health. In normal health, we make it all our lives, with fairly minimal falling off with age. Problems arise, however, if the adrenals go wrong. This may happen in two ways.

The first is over production of cortisone. This may be a physiological response to high levels of stress (of any kind). This could lead to Cushing's syndrome. The second is the opposite end of the scale which is more common, but which, in its milder form, may escape detection. The more 'severe' form results in Edison’s disease. The adrenals are more likely however, to be damaged by other processes, most commonly autoimmune diseases. There is a steady loss of function, with accumulating symptoms of an illness. While gross adrenal failure is not too difficult to diagnose, if it is thought about, it is partial adrenal failure we are concerned about here.

Low adrenal reserve is characterised by firstly, a poor response to stress of any kind. Patients report that they feel ill when stressed and have to back off at the smallest degree of stress. Illness like flu or a cold has an out of proportion devastating effect, lasting longer than it should, and causing much more severe symptoms than would be expected. Patients a chronically hypoglycaemic, and have episodes of faintness and general un-wellness relieved only by sweet tea, or chocolate or a piece of cake. ) People often confuse hypoglyceamia, which is episodic low blood sugar, with diabetes. Diabetes is of course quite the reverse? The system loses its ability to control blood sugar, which may rise to abnormally high levels as the result of failure to make enough insulin, or respond to the insulin properly_

Dr Peatfield makes it very clear that damaged or overworked adrenals will work less well than normally and a lowered production of hydrocortisone and cortisol from unresponsive adrenals will affect thyroid production, conversion and receptor uptake. For people who are scared of using hypdrocortisone, I should mention that the scary bit is for those people who take massive doses of the stuff. If your adrenals are not putting out the correct amount of adrenal hormones, then, like your thyroid, you simply replace that amount. If you are hypothyroid, your body cannot function without replacing the thyroid hormones you are not secreting, and it is the same with your adrenals. You start cortisone with a low dose like thyroid hormones and increase slowly until you find the dose that makes you well.

To jump on - if thyroid hormone is not being produced as it should, nothing will work properly and that also means the adrenals. This situation is compounded by the fact that low thyroid output is a stress situation. To enable the system to cope with low thyroid output, the adrenals are obliged to produce an increased level of hydrocortisone. This may work well, for a considerable period of time, if the thyroid deficiency isn't too bad. But it slowly worsens and the adrenals are called to further compensate for the stress this produces. Eventually of course, the adrenals begin to cope less well and the continued strain causes adrenal exhaustion. The syndrome of low adrenal reserve is now present.

Supplementary thyroid hormone may of itself cause a stress situation if the system cannot cope with it. It is possible to trigger off a thyroid/adrenal crisis and collapse using the wrong sort of dose, and ignoring the necessity of the provision of adrenal support, i.e. ensuring the adrenals CAN cope with the strain. Indeed it is possible by using thyroxine, when the patient cannot convert properly, to cause a full ian crisis, which may be fatal.

As you are aware, the inactive hormone T4 has to convert to the active hormone T3. If you have low adrenal reserve, the reaction doesn't proceed as it should, and the body may become toxic with unused and unstable T4. The problem doesn't end there; the T3 has to be taken up by the receptors within the cell wall, to be passed into the cell. This uptake is degraded by adrenal insufficiency and the receptors become dormant or may disappear or may become resistant. In this situation, even if T3 is available, the system can become toxic if it cannot be used properly. You can see how desperately important the adrenals are, and equally, how important it is to provide adrenal support, in the form of cortisone supplementation when low adrenal reserve e is present.

Dr Peatfield continues "I must tell you now that the failure of thyroid supplementation to restore normal health may well be largely down to the adrenal problem. This is scarcely ever considered by physicians since they do not recognise low adrenal reserve, and may even miss the diagnosis of fully established 's disease"

Thousands of people with hypothyroidism are never quite well since using the blood tests as a guide only, the endocrinologists, with few exceptions, oblige their patients to lurch from one dose to another. The patients may have windows of feeling better, but may feel either under active, or toxic for much of the time. The wicked thing is that when they tell their doctor "Look, I really don't feel right", they will be told, since the blood tests show that they are at the correct levels, they MUST be right and perfectly well - whatever they may say. The patient is then probably offered Prozac or other antidepressant, or counselling, or become labelled a "heartms8hi~" patient and you can see now why the blood tests may be completely misleading. If the thyroid supplementation isn't being used properly and is not being processed into the tissues, it WILL cause the blood levels to be normal, or even raised. In this situation, which is likely to affect all hypothyroid sufferers sooner or later, if this is not taken account of, the patient will NEVER be well.

Whatever you may be told, adrenal insufficiency in thyroid disorders is very common indeed and should always be considered at the onset of treatment. Failure to respond to thyroid supplementation, or actually feeling less well, is likely more often than not tol involve the low adrenal reserve syndrome.

We all know about the scary high doses of cortisol that have been used on patients in the past and there is a chapter about this in his book. However, Dr P says the pendulum has now swung very far the other way, and in the minds of patients and doctors alike; there is a deep horror and aversion to the use of cortisone in any context whatsoever. This almost hysterical hostility to the use of cortisone, even its very mention, by physicians and their patients is greatly to be deplored and is one important reason why the management of thyroid insufficiency is in such a parlous state and so misunderstood and misused. He emphasises again, that the use of low dosage, that is PHYSIOLOGICAL dosage, of cortisone, is not only perfectly safe in restoring proper adrenal response, but is often absolutely essential. He says, that with other doctors, he has been the subject of much ill informed criticism of this view, based on a prejudice arising from its previous history of improper use. But facts are facts and it is essential that physicians and patients alike rethink the whole problem. Two quotes from the great physician McCormack Jeffries are quite relevant:

"Cortisol is a normal hormone, essential for life"

"Most physicians today are under the impression that ANY dosage of cortisol can produce side effects that occur with any excessive doses"

Dr Peatfield says the initial approach has to be restrained and cautious, and the lowest possible dose given at the start. He says "I find that quarter of a 10 mgs hydrocortisone 9that is 2.5mgs) is an excellent starting point. The reason that it is so low to start with is the fact that patients ill for some time, and perhaps receiving synthetic thyroxine, may have substantially high levels of T4 and T3 which they system cannot use. The adrenal support may kick in quick quickly, causing the T4 conversion to T3 and receptor uptake to start working quite abruptly. This may cause a sudden overdose situation to occur. The patient may find the pulse rapidly accelerates to give palpitations in the chest or even promote irregularity of the heartbeat. They may feel ill, may collapse, they may have tremors in the limbs as if they were thyrotoxic. With SMALL starter doses of adrenal support, the risk of this is avoided. The first two or three days of 2.5mgs of hydrocortisone given in the morning soon after waking, will be monitored by the patient for any adverse symptoms, checking pulse two or three times a day and of course, the morning basal temperature.

Normally, there are no symptoms good or bad, but everyone is different and occasional marked sensitivity occurs. In such a case, the hydrocortisone will be stopped for a day or so and a much lower replacement level will be sought for. The most valuable alternative e is the use of an adrenal glandular, such as "Adrenolyph" from Nutri Ltd, which being a natural adrenal extract requires no prescription. The amount of cortisone is extremely only, only in trace amounts, but will be sufficient to start the adrenal support going.

Once the hydrocorisone is started the full support dose is now built up to effective levels over 2 or 3 weeks. The 2.5mg tablet a day is increased to 2.5mg tablet twice a day. After a few days, three times a day and up to a 2.5mcgs four times a day spread out throughout the waking day. The reason for this is that it is not stored by the body and gets rapidly used. Two or three hours will see it pretty well used up completely, Since a smooth level of support is desirable, the dose does need to be spread out. The final dose is usually 20 mgs daily, that is 2.5mg tablet four times a day, but careful adjustments relating to the response, may take the dose to 25mcgs or 30 mgs daily, exceptionally even 40mgs. These higher doses are related more to absorption in the stomach than to deficiency, but low adrenal reserve reaching Ian levels may make such doses necessary.

On this regime, the patient may feel a considerable improvement after even a few days as thyroid processing of existing thyroid in the bloodstream improves. It sometimes happens that the improvement is so marked, and the hypothyroid symptoms are so much relieved, that supplementary thyroid may only need to be in very small amounts, or even not required at all.

The usual pattern of events, however, is to start thyroid supplementation as soon as the adrenal support has been established. The disadvantage of hydrocortisone is the fact that it needs to be given four times a day to be fully effective e. Some patients do as well, or better, on the widely used synthetic derivative prednisolone. The equivalent dose of 20 mgs of hydrocortisone is 5 mgs prednisolone, which may be increased up to 7.5mgs and sometimes more. This needs to b e given only once a day, most commonly in the morning, since it remains active in the system for about 24 hours. Because prednisolone can irritate the stomach on occasion, it is usually given in an enteric-coated version called Deltacortril, and if given with food, the risk of gastric irritation is further minimised.

It is sometimes useful to prescribe instead, a mineralocorticoid, the most useful is fludrocortisone or Florinef, in doses of 0.1mg once or twice a day. This may further improve the adrenal response when given together with the glucocorticoids, hydrocortisone and prednisolone. There are other synthetic cortisones available, but in general, they shouldn't prove necessary

The length of time necessary to provide adrenal support is really infinitely variable. Dr Peatfield says his normal practice has usually been to obtain the best results with thyroid and adrenal support, and after six or eight weeks, start to tail off the cortisone supplement. If there is no adverse result it may then be stopped - taking, say, four weeks in the process. Sometimes the patient starts to lose ground and it must then be restarted, and in another eight weeks or so, another attempt to tail off is made. Sometimes, the adrenals have been so badly hit that the adrenal support may be required for months, and if the adrenals never fully recover, for a more indefinite time. Again, Dr Peatfield emphasises, that if adrenal support IS required, it must be given for as long as it takes, there is no risk to this since once is simply restoring the situation to normal, in the same way, and for the same reason, that thyroid support may have to be given indefinitely.

To0 summarise the indications for adrenal support we may say:

1) Where an abnormally high or abnormally low DHEA, and/or abnormally low cortisol blood test shows weak adrenal function.

2) Many symptoms, and clinical signs, notably postural hypotension, suggest weak adrenal response.

3) The thyroid deficiency state has been present some considerable time and getting worse.

4) Previous treatment with thyroxine has been unsuccessful or even worsened the situation

5) There has been thyroid surgery or radioactive iodine ablation.

6) Thyroid blood tests are normal but the patient is clinical hypothyroid

7) Previous major surgery

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

As one who has been on HC pills for 8 years ( and only now slowly

weaning off- and I do mean slowly) I wouldn't be scared - I had no side

effects at all that I could ascertain, and no trouble raising my Armour and

T3 dose to optimum. I also had several surgical procedures during this time

with no trouble- just doubling the dose on the day as a precaution against

shock. I also have high BP, but it isn't as bad as yours- my GP wants me on

BP lowering drugs- betablockers are one to avoid as they interact with

thyroid meds and I got horrible side effects with the others. I'm now trying

the COQ10 route, but have yet to raise my dose sufficiently to have an

effect. I'll go retest next week to see if I'm taking enough yet. Stick with

it- you'll get there in the end!

Subject: Re: Why does my bp and pulse go up with

armour?

Hi Val

No way that I could have reached my sweet spot yet, I am just

struggling to get onto the 1 1/2 grains and prior to my embarking on

the Armour path the doc was putting my up to 200 mcg of thyroxine.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

My OH also has this, also a fungus on top of his ears. He has recently started taking tea made of

http://www.detoxyourworld.com/acatalog/pau_darco.html

but it is too early to see how much this helps.

Val

I don't think the doc believes in Candida, the reason I got some antifungals once before I because I have terrible toe nail with a fungalnail infection, it has never gone away.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Instant thyrotoxicosis may even be caused by some apparently innocuous things like nutmeg....the oil (myristicin) is converted to an 'amphetamine' in the brain........so other similar things may also do it (ie natural oils etc)

[[...He says "I find that quarter of a 10 mgs hydrocortisone 9that is 2.5mgs) is an excellent starting point. The reason that it is so low to start with is the fact that patients ill for some time, and perhaps receiving synthetic thyroxine, may have substantially high levels of T4 and T3 which they system cannot use. The adrenal support may kick in quick quickly, causing the T4 conversion to T3 and receptor uptake to start working quite abruptly. This may cause a sudden overdose situation to occur. The patient may find the pulse rapidly accelerates to give palpitations in the chest or even promote irregularity of the heartbeat....]]

best wishes

Bob

>> Hi Dawn> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Good idea, you will probably find that taking hc this way will be better for you anyway as hc is very tough on the stomach. Make sure that you dose more at the beginning of the day, & then decrease each size of dose & I am sure that will then mean that you will not produce so much later in the day.

At the first sign of a dump reduce or stop thyroid until you feel safe to start it again - day/days/week - whatever feels right for you.

Val

what if I put my hc cream on by syringe ifthat would be better, I shall get my fiancee to get me one tomorrow. Ialso will take more of the glandular starting tomorrow too. I amcertainly not looking forward to a thyroid dump, if in fact it happensI don't know what to expect. Is that when the body suddenly convertseverything and takes it into the cells too fast?lotsa luvDawnxi

[Guest guest]

Hi Shiela

Thanks so much for that article it is fascinating. The only thing

which confuses me is my high bp in an adrenal situation, but that

could be vascular due to years of incorrect treatment and probably

high output of cortisol for a period of time might have affected my

veins, don't really know just guessing there.

What is that funny name that doctors label you as? What does that mean?

Anyway I believe your are probably very correct about the adrenals

causing much of the problem so really all I can do is keep plugging

with the support in the cream and the glandulars hoping I can find a

decent level where I feel ok.

Thanks again for that, I will buy the book eventually.

Lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

MM thanks Bob

Maybe my HC is going in hit and miss and causing my heart rate to

alter. That is interesting though, thanks

luv Dawnx

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[Guest guest]

Oh by the way Bob

Interesting your should mention nutmet, my hubby once gave me a small

amount to help me sleep and I had severely weak and aching muscles for

many days afterwards, so that is the answer then, it gave me a long

sleep but I was thyrotoxic. We thought it was safe because it was a

food stuff lol.

luv Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val for that advice, they are getting some syringes in on

Monday so I can get it and get on with it, also thanks for the advice

on what to do with a dump, ease off the Armour .

Oh and that herb looks fascinating, please let us know how he goes on

if he gets any better using it would you?

lotsa luv

Dawnx

> Good idea, you will probably find that taking hc this way will be

better for you anyway as hc is very tough on the stomach. Make sure

that you dose more at the beginning of the day, & then decrease each

size of dose & I am sure that will then mean that you will not produce

so much later in the day.

>

> At the first sign of a dump reduce or stop thyroid until you feel

safe to start it again - day/days/week - whatever feels right for you.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

have a look through these:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-blood-pressure/HQ01345

http://endocrine-disorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_thyroid_and_adrenal_connection

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec03/ch022/ch022a.html

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=252375

Luv - Sheila

Hi ShielaThanks so much for that article it is fascinating. The only thingwhich confuses me is my high bp in an adrenal situation...

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Thanks Shiela

Those are fascinating, and also tell my why my doc told me I had

essential hypertension because if it proves to be secondary he would

have had to do lots and lots ofcomplicated investigations into what

was actually happening within my body to cause this. These articles

show just how many areas can cause what I am suffering. I pray that it

is the things which will got back to normal with the replacement of

proper thyroid medication in time to save my kidneys which are already

showing wear and tear and my eyes behind which I have already had a

bleed. i would love to be able to lose some weight but it just isn't

possible at the moment, at least that would take the bp down a little.

And stopping smoking right now would cause me such stress it may be

counter productive especially if the cause is deep within some area of

my body which is not caused by the vasoconstriction of nicotine. I

shall have to hope my body holds up long enough to find out. I will

try and save enough money for the 300mg Q10 to go with the

nicotinamide at least that might help.

I remember a couple of years ago my bp really calmed down but

unfortunately I cannot remember what was happening with me at the time

. Great papers and articles thanks Shiela, it is all very confuddling.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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> Hi Dawn

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> have a look through these:

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> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-blood-pressure/HQ01345

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> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec03/ch022/ch022a.html

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> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=252375

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> Hi Shiela

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> Thanks so much for that article it is fascinating. The only thing

> which confuses me is my high bp in an adrenal situation...

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