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Baby is lovely weighing in at 16+ lbs and in size 6-9 month clothes

although they are a tadge big on him...he's oly 14 weeks!!!!! but he

is a joy and was worth the heartbreak we went through to get him.....

Good grief Adele that's one big baby! They did test you for diabetes didn't they? I had gestational diabetes with my third child and was induced early because of it. They said she would have been over 12 lbs if she'd been full term as diabetic mums have big babies

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> Good grief Adele that's one big baby! They did test you for

diabetes > didn't they? I had gestational diabetes with my third

child and was

> induced early because of it. They said she would have been over 12

> lbs if she'd been full term as diabetic mums have big babies

Well I *am* diabetic and #1 was 7lb 13oz. Despite much better

control second time around (I actually found an insulin that made my

blood sugar go down rather than up), #2 was 10lb 2oz. (And if I'd

known she was going to be that big, I would have thought very hard

before trying a home birth). It was only at birth though - she's a

petite wee thing now, at nearly two years.

I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have

been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge

babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the

baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby.

Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for hypoT

as well as diabetes.

Rosie

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> Good grief Adele that's one big baby! They did test you for

diabetes > didn't they? I had gestational diabetes with my third

child and was

> induced early because of it. They said she would have been over 12

> lbs if she'd been full term as diabetic mums have big babies

Well I *am* diabetic and #1 was 7lb 13oz. Despite much better

control second time around (I actually found an insulin that made my

blood sugar go down rather than up), #2 was 10lb 2oz. (And if I'd

known she was going to be that big, I would have thought very hard

before trying a home birth). It was only at birth though - she's a

petite wee thing now, at nearly two years.

I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have

been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge

babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the

baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby.

Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for hypoT

as well as diabetes.

Rosie

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And I thought mine was big at 10lb 11oz and that was two weeks late.

However, I was not yet diabetic or hypothyroid. It was on the cards though because all my mother's side were diabetic and all my father's were hypothyroid. My sisters and I are all now diabetic and hypothyroid. Although neither my sisters had especially large babies.

Lilian

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I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have

been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge

babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the

baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby.

Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for hypoT

as well as diabetes.

Rosie

That's interesting Rosie as it was during my last pregnancy that I first noticed what I now know to be hypo symptoms but I put it down to being nearly 40 and finding it hard work because I was pregnant. When they diddn't go away after the birth I put it down to being over 40, new baby two other children and working full time, and yet here we are 11 years later and diagnosed as hypo.

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I am non-diabetic and my first child was 10lb 1oz. Thank god i didnt

try and birth her, though she was 4560g and they class that as

macrosomia :/ I hate to think how funny they're going to be about the

next one. Meh.

She's 4 now and as perfectly normal as can be - average size, as

average as it gets. I think she's about 36lbs/16kg or so now, and

about 100cm tall.

I'm fat, but she's great.

I believe i was undermedicated during the latter half of the pregnancy

- i started having trouble tolerating Armour, and as i was up to 6

grains, i was in a quandry as to what to do - I was in hospital at 30

weeks for palpitations and skipping beats and bp 160/100, so i dropped

2 grains and went to 4gr + 50mcg T4, and got on with it much better,

but made a very big baby that they knew was big as early as 34 weeks.

Big babies = hypothyroid far more often than they = gest diabetes. The

docs have that one wrong, I'm afraid.

Dr Peatfield mentions it in his book, btw.

Jen

>

> I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have

> been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge

> babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the

> baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby.

> Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for hypoT

> as well as diabetes.

>

> Rosie

>

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Hi Jen

What dose of thyroid hormone replacement are you taking at the moment, and how do you feel. Interesting that you felt better by reducing your Armour and adding in some more thyroxine. People should realise that the amount of T4 and T3 in Armour isn't the right dose for everybody and sometimes, we do need to add either a little more T4 or T3 to our dose.

I add 25 mcgs of thyroxine to my 3 grains of Armour.

Luv - Sheila

I am non-diabetic and my first child was 10lb 1oz. Thank god i didnttry and birth her, though she was 4560g and they class that asmacrosomia :/ I hate to think how funny they're going to be about thenext one. Meh.She's 4 now and as perfectly normal as can be - average size, asaverage as it gets. I think she's about 36lbs/16kg or so now, andabout 100cm tall.I'm fat, but she's great. :PI believe i was undermedicated during the latter half of the pregnancy- i started having trouble tolerating Armour, and as i was up to 6grains, i was in a quandry as to what to do - I was in hospital at 30weeks for palpitations and skipping beats and bp 160/100, so i dropped2 grains and went to 4gr + 50mcg T4, and got on with it much better,but made a very big baby that they knew was big as early as 34 weeks.Big babies = hypothyroid far more often than they = gest diabetes. Thedocs have that one wrong, I'm afraid.Dr Peatfield mentions it in his book, btw.Jen> > I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have > been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge > babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the > baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby. > Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for hypoT > as well as diabetes.> > Rosie>

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>Hi Jen

You know I find what you say about having palpitaions in your

pregnancy intersting. I was only diagnosed in 2006 but when I was

expexting my third child in 2000/2001 I had missed heartbeats

frequently from about 16 weeks until after he was delivered. I was

really frightened at the time and thought I may just collapse and die,

but the obstetrician said it was just because I was pregnant and was

normal. I never had any problems like this with my othe two

pregnancies 7 and 5 years earlier. My son when he was born was 8lbs a

big baby considering i am only 5 feet tall, my other two were 7lb 7

and 5lb 10 respectively. I have been wondering recently if I had an

underactive thyroid all that time ago and whether it was that causing

the missed beats. Its food for thought and very interesting isn't it?

love lizzie

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Hi Rosie,

I didn't think that the baby's thyroid started until birth and up

to that point was reliant on the mother- hence the need for the mother to be

well medicated to support both of them.

I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have

been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge

babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the

baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby.

Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for hypoT

as well as diabetes.

Rosie

Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

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Hi Rosie,

I think it's Dr Peatfield's book that I read this in. He says

something about hypoT mums having large babies. I also remember

reading somewhere else that we can leach thyroid hormones and

adrenal I think from our baby.

Rather than listening to my half baked ramblings I think you might

be better served to read this:

http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?

zi=1/XJ & sdn=thyroid & cdn=health & tm=16 & gps=145_329_1003_520 & f=10 & su=p72

6.2.152.ip_p284.8.150.ip_ & tt=2 & bt=0 & bts=0 & zu=http%3A//www.thyroid-

info.com/articles/pregnancy.htm

from the Shomen site. It has a great deal of info on what to

do and what not to do whilst pregnant.

Luv Bella

>

>

>

> I read recently - wish I could remember exactly where; could have

> been Mark Starr's book, not sure - that hypoT mums can have huge

> babies too. I think it was because the hypoT mum taps into the

> baby's thyroid, which acts as a growth hormone for the baby.

> Conclusion was that big baby should set alarm bells ringing for

hypoT

> as well as diabetes.

>

> Rosie

>

>

>

> Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice.

Always

> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing

medication.

>

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> I have been wondering recently if I had an

> underactive thyroid all that time ago and whether it was that causing

> the missed beats. Its food for thought and very interesting isn't it?

In my long hunt to find out what is wrong with me, I have anally

amassed a file of test results. What is interesting is that a lot of

them only make sense with hindsight.

Rosie

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Hiya folks...thanks for all the info on big babes weighs..my other three children were 7lb 1 1/2oz, 8lb 5oz and 7lb 12 oz...so i put bigger babe down to different father.....and he was a weighty babe...my son came along after 4 miscarriages, me being 42 years old but followed treatment/diagnosis via Dr P and support from Sheila...meant I carried him to term...I did up and lower my Armour during the pregnancy as and when i felt i needed it, took nutri adrenals, but stopped nutri adrenal extra and thryocomplex as they contain vit A which isn't good.....

But I am getting alot of foot/ankle pain and feel very weak and my eyes are going abit blurry towards three in the avvie..........and even my hubby has started to notice my demise!!!...

I did the candida spit test this morning and it was positive so back onto the nutrispore and blitzing my body with clotrimamodazole tabs over 4 weeks....... back onto the nutri adrenal extra again...me thinks

Anyone here know of a reason why I shouldn't do this regime???? as I am still breast feeding.....do i need to contact Dr P????

Is he back yet.....????

Help

Love

Adele

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When i was pregnant eventually i was at 4gr + 75mcg T4.

It is important to remember that the increased oestrogen of pregnancy

results in increased T4 binding - not T3 binding. A loss of T4 will

result in a net loss of T3 of course, but if you supplement more T4

than usual while pregnant, along with T3, then you'll be good to go.

I'm on 4gr + about 37.5mcg T4 right now, while not pregnant. When i

was pregnant with pumpkin, i started at a lower weight than I am now,

so i need more net hormone than I started off at last time.

Fingers crossed we might be pregnant with number two. We're certainly

trying hard enough, and I know what to expect this time around! Inc

the T4 only bit!

Re palpitations, I still get them now, but i was told it was just the

increased blood volume. Funny, they're stayed with me since pregnancy.

I also get runs of skips, like my heart is stumbling and can't recatch

its footing, kwim? My mom also has Afib, so i'm paying close attention

to it :/

Jen

>

> Hi Jen

>

> What dose of thyroid hormone replacement are you taking at the

moment, and how do you feel. Interesting that you felt better by

reducing your Armour and adding in some more thyroxine. People should

realise that the amount of T4 and T3 in Armour isn't the right dose

for everybody and sometimes, we do need to add either a little more T4

or T3 to our dose.

>

> I add 25 mcgs of thyroxine to my 3 grains of Armour.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

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Hiya Adele

Under the circumstances, and because your little babe is OUR TPA little babe, I think you should contact Dr Peatfield. I believe he is around, so try him on his new number 01883 623125. You obviously need to change your medication dose as the T4 and T3 may not now be in the amount you need them. You might need a little extra T3 adding, or, and more likely, you might need extra T4. I believe Dr P might suggest if this is the case, you can get these extra 'bits' by upping your Armour, but I don't think it necessarily works like that. Do you have any T4 (25 mcgs) to try the experiment?

Luv - Sheila

Hiya folks...thanks for all the info on big babes weighs..my other three children were 7lb 1 1/2oz, 8lb 5oz and 7lb 12 oz...so i put bigger babe down to different father.....and he was a weighty babe...my son came along after 4 miscarriages, me being 42 years old but followed treatment/diagnosis via Dr P and support from Sheila...meant I carried him to term...I did up and lower my Armour during the pregnancy as and when i felt i needed it, took nutri adrenals, but stopped nutri adrenal extra and thryocomplex as they contain vit A which isn't good.....

But I am getting alot of foot/ankle pain and feel very weak and my eyes are going abit blurry towards three in the avvie..........and even my hubby has started to notice my demise!!!...

I did the candida spit test this morning and it was positive so back onto the nutrispore and blitzing my body with clotrimamodazole tabs over 4 weeks....... back onto the nutri adrenal extra again...me thinks

Anyone here know of a reason why I shouldn't do this regime???? as I am still breast feeding.....do i need to contact Dr P????

Is he back yet.....????

Help

Love

Adele

x

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Adele,

I nursed pumpkin for three and a half years - just weaned May just gone.

You'd be surprised what really is OK for lactating. I checked the

ingredients of nutrispore and that should be just fine. If in doubt,

you can check drugs here:

http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=topics & access=guest

Hale is the Dr Peatfield/Dr Skinner/Dr of drugs in

breastfeeding mothers. If he says it, consider it on a lightning bolt

from god.

Hale says that clotrimazole is okayish, but they prefer miconazole due

to reports of contact dermatitis with clotrimazole.

Jen

> I did the candida spit test this morning and it was positive so back

onto

> the nutrispore and blitzing my body with clotrimamodazole tabs over 4

> weeks....... back onto the nutri adrenal extra again...me thinks

>

> Anyone here know of a reason why I shouldn't do this regime???? as I

am

> still breast feeding.....do i need to contact Dr P????

> Is he back yet.....????

>

> Help

> Love

> Adele

> x

>

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Ooh, just spotted this thread.

I remember posting a similar question about large babies on this board

in one of its previous incarnations.

This is extremely interesting. My children were 8lb 6oz, 8lb 6.5oz and

the big one 9lb 6oz(born around the time my thyroidy problems began.

Babies tend to be 8 pounders in my family, but that last one was a

surprise. I was also huge and at one stage was convinced I had to be

having twins!

No evidence of diabetes during any of the pregnancies but my TSH

levels after the birth were 4.33 which I was told was normal. I only

found out that figure 8 years later when I was (and am) still having

problems.

Just goes to show!

Tracey

>

> Hi Rosie,

> I think it's Dr Peatfield's book that I read this in. He says

> something about hypoT mums having large babies.

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> Hale is the Dr Peatfield/Dr Skinner/Dr of drugs in

> breastfeeding mothers. If he says it, consider it on a lightning bolt

> from god.

LOL. That's about right :-)

I've got a copy of Hale. If anyone wants a lookup, just drop me a line.

Rosie

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Hi Rosie

You are probably not aware, but TPA-UK has its own 'Lending Library'. Go to our files and scroll down until you find the information. What happens is that if any member has a book(s) they are willing to lend to other members, all they have to do is to send me the title of the book(s) they are happy to lend with the name of the author. I will then add these to our list with your email address underneath.

If any member wants to borrow a particular book, they send you an email asking for your full name and address. When you send that, they should send you stamps to the value of the postage (which at present is £1.50, but I may need to increase this to £2.00) giving you their name and address. You send them the book asking them not to hold it for too long. It works very well and saves members who are living on State Benefits money.

If you would like to participate in this scheme, please let me know, and if any other members have books they would be happy to lend fellow sufferers, send me the title and author, and I will add these to our list.

Luv - Sheila

> Hale is the Dr Peatfield/Dr Skinner/Dr of drugs in> breastfeeding mothers. If he says it, consider it on a lightning bolt> from god.LOL. That's about right :-) I've got a copy of Hale. If anyone wants a lookup, just drop me a line.Rosie

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