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Tuesday, January 18, 2005, 9:01:30 AM, you wrote:

lac> Good Morning, I would like to talk w/ others that have failed with the

lac> band.I still think its a great thing. I did reach out for help w/ one of

" our "

lac> professionals, but she didnt seem to interested. I know people here on

this site

lac> are doing a great job and want to " shoe " me to another site, i just cant

lac> remember which one it was!! Thank you for any feedback. Tami

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

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What exactly is failing with the band? Not losing? Not losing enough?

Gaining? What does failure mean to you?

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Good Morning, I would like to talk w/ others that have failed with the

band.I still think its a great thing. I did reach out for help w/ one of

" our "

professionals, but she didnt seem to interested. I know people here on this

site are doing a great job and want to " shoe " me to another site, i just

cant remember which one it was!! Thank you for any feedback. Tami

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Victory!

At 01:14 AM 6/26/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>Hey Bayard,,, a note I got from a friend today... her dad's scheduled for

>esophageal cancer surgery on Monday (in Japan). Sounds like she

>experienced the calm clear place !!!

>

>

>Dear ,

>

>I just stole a moment away from Hideaki and went downstairs to our

>bedroom and opened our veranda door and sat in front of it and mediated

>and did immunics.

>I feel so much better. It came to me clearly that my Dad will survive

>the surgery. He will be okay. Thank you so much for waking me up

>about not giving up hope. I was losing it this past week. I guess I

>was worried with his fever coming back again and what I was hearing

>over the phone. I'll continue to do immunics till my dad recovers and

>meditate. It was so peaceful. It was as if my mind was clear, very

>inspirational experience.

>

>Thank you for all your wonderful advise and thank you so much for all

>your kindness.

>

>Love,

>Tomoko

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At 05:09 PM 7/5/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>Hey Bayard,,

>

>I'm curious as heck on your biblical channel-ings... will you be writing

>anything up on this ???

>

>.... like a revised Bible ???!!

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Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.cordeliachaise@... wrote: How Would Drug Safety be Assured Without the FDA?Don Boudreaux Several weeks ago I wrote the following letter to the editor of the Washington Times: Pitts wants Dr. von Eschenbach, as FDA commissioner, to "empower" patients "through better communications" ("Tough Tasks for New FDA Chief," Oct. 20).The only real way to empower patients is to abolish the FDA. Why in the land of the free must each of us - each with different medical histories, family situations, and risk tolerances - be forced to abide by bureaucratic decisions made by strangers in Washington ? Dr. von Eschenbach might be, as Mr. Pitts says, a remarkable physician. But Dr. von Eschenbach has never met me. He doesn't know my situation. He cannot possibly know enough to make trade-offs for me as well as I am likely to make them.Sincerely, J. Boudreaux As is my vain and annoying practice, I also sent this letter to a

number of people on an e-mail distribution list that I keep; I sent this letter out under the caption “Government is not god (although many people wallow in this particular piece of mysticism).†Several friends on this list wrote to ask how drug quality can be assured without a regulatory agency. I promised them an answer; here’s my (tardy!) first stab at fulfilling that promise – although I state up front that there’s too much to say on this issue to fit into a single blog-post. ….. The summary answer is that markets and traditional common-law institutions provide this assurance. Abolishing the FDA does not entail abolishing contract, tort, and criminal law. If a drug maker intentionally, recklessly, or negligently causes someone harm, that drug maker is subject to civil and criminal sanctions. Likewise, a drug maker who violates terms of a contract with its customers is subject to civil penalties. Far more importantly, in my view, is the market institution of branding. Brands enable consumers to identify which firm produces that especially yummy chardonnay, that disappointingly tasteless peanut butter, and that sliced turkey that made the family ill. Brands give producers incentives to develop a positive reputation among consumers. Just as the makers of the tasteless peanut butter and the tummy-ache-inducing turkey will lose customers because of their poor performance -- consumers know who they are! -- so too will a drug maker lose customers and profits if it develops a reputation for providing either ineffective or too-dangerous

pharmaceutical products. But common-law and reputational sanctions aren’t the only forces working to protect consumers in markets left unharassed by bureaucratic proscriptions. Private quality-evaluation agencies emerge, such as Underwriters’ Laboratories, to test and vouch for the effectiveness and safety of products. Because consumers aren’t stupid, they will seek out independent and expert opinion on various drugs’ effectiveness and safety. Similarly, MDs help patients in the same way – by having the expertise to evaluate the appropriateness and risk/effectiveness details of drugs that their patients are considering using. (And, as with drug companies who supply bad drugs, MDs who give poor advice will lose patients and profits to MDs who give sound advice.) Higgs, here, is far more articulate on this matter than I can hope to be. Posted in FDA | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0) November 18, 2005 I drive a Honda Here's some wisdom from the floor

of the Senate. To find it in the Congressional Record, go here. (When you get there, click on “Day of Session" right below the search field. Then choose “Senate Pages†for November 16. When you get the field that says: “Go To Page†type in S12928.) What follows is an excerpt from a floor speech by Senator Dorgan who has proposed a windfall profits tax. I think he meant Maynard Keynes in the opening sentence part of the quote but it's easy to confuse three-named economists with the first name . It's even easier to make fun of pointy-headed academics: Galbraith used to say, in the long run, we are all dead. But we go into this winter, as consumers in this country, confronting a fuel bill that has

dramatically increased over last year, and then reading in the newspaper in the morning, wearing a sweater in a home that you have to keep a couple of degrees cooler in order to afford to heat your home, that ExxonMobil has a 75- percent or 89-percent profit or all the majors are showing massive profit increases. So while they sit there fat and happy, racking up the profits, everybody else is trying to figure out how they pay the price. How do you scrape up the money to heat the home, to fill the car, to fill the tanks so that your tractor and farm equipment is ready in the spring? People say: Well, if that is a problem for you, that is tough luck. There are a couple of economists writing in recent days—I won’t name them—who can tell us everything about the future but can’t remember their home phone number. You know the type. They are telling us what will

happen here is if people can’t afford to pay the cost of energy, it will force them to conserve more. Easy to say for one of these economists who drive around town in their Volvo or Mercedes cogitating about the future. What about the people who have to use a car to drive to work, have to fill the tank with gas but don’t have the money to do so, or the people who understand they live in the northern part of this country where we have tough winters and they have to pay the heating bill and it costs a lot of money and they don’t have it? What about that? I sure wish he'd name them. I hope he's talking about the two economists who write here at Cafe Hayek. But neither of us argue that high prices are good because they force people to conserve. He's confusing us with some environmental groups. We like high

prices because they give the oil companies an incentive to keep looking for more energy. That way the people we're all worried about will have more oil and gas in the future. By the way, neither of us drives a Volvo or a Mercedes. Must be two other economists who can't remember their home phone number. Posted in Prices | Permalink | Comments (10) | TrackBack (1)

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Double shots on Monday and Friday, 125iu's during the week. You name the diet and I have probably been on it, HCG was always the best but not available until now. I'mSee what's free at AOL.com.

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Can you give us some details of the injection you had back then?

Also what kind of diet have you been on in the past 30 years to

prevent recurrence?

>

> No breakfast? When I did Lindora years ago, breakfast was Total

cereal,

> non-fat milk or a boiled egg on skinny bread. Lunch was 3 ounces

of chicken,

> fish or beef, 1/2 of a peach, one lettuce leaf and a cup of

string beans

> (veggie), dinner was 3 ounces of chicken, fish or beef and a cup

of string beans.

> 8, 8 ounces glasses of water. No coffee, you could have tea. No

diet drinks.

> No oils, you had to wear plastic gloves to clean the chicken,

could touch

> the fat or skin. I remember using baby shampoo, I heard of

people using

> fabric softener for hair, 5 day deodorant pads. I know I wore

face makeup, what

> kind I don't know, but I wore it. I remember taking parsley

tablets and

> Potassium. I also remember if you had a couple of days of not

losing, they had an

> apple day. You ate apples all day and you lost the next day. I

seem to

> remember having a fasting day once a week. I lost 30 pounds in 3

weeks. Skin

> looked great, hair shined and I lost inches big time. I was

young and that

> probably played into it. This was 30 years ago and my memory is

a little

> foggy but I also remember a wafer that I bought at the drug store

that you chewed

> up and it filled you up, also hot tea was helpful in filling you

up. I know

> that for 3 days I had a head ache, caffeine head ache, I worked

at Coca-Cola

> Bottling and drank Coke freely so I had withdrawals from it. I

kept the

> weight off for years.

>

>

>

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Welcome, you are not alone any longer. There are many readers/lurkers here

with painful scoliosis. Have you seen a expert in scoliosis? Where do you

live?

Jolene, Central Valley California, 90/55 curves, 60 years old

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you are not alone. I'm 45 with constant pain. I've had 4 fusions and both

rods removed. My curve is still 48 degrees and I still have a bone stimulator.

I'm fused from my sacrum to just above my bra strap. I just found out that 3 of

my discs are deteriorating and it's inoperable. It would take a hammer, chisel,

and power saw just to get to the discs. More pain. My life has become a never

ending cycle of pills, tens units, accupressure, etc. I'm happily married for 20

years, but don't know how long that will last. Even sex has become unbareable.

It causes sciatica down my right leg. Almost every day, I have to add something

else to my " can't do that anymore " list. I have moments when I would give just

about anything for a great big doobie. I've thought of moving to a state where

medicinal marijuana is legal. Nope, you are definitely not alone. I would like

to talk to you some more if I didn't scare you to death. Joy

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sex is uncomfortable, when I tense up ihave to stop in the middle due

to severe back pain. sometime I just wonder what it would be like to be

normal and live life like everyone else, get a good nites rest etc.---

In Scoliosis Treatment , " Joy " <joysorensen@...> wrote:

>

> you are not alone. I'm 45 with constant pain. I've had 4

fusions and both rods removed. My curve is still 48 degrees and I still

have a bone stimulator. I'm fused from my sacrum to just above my bra

strap. I just found out that 3 of my discs are deteriorating and it's

inoperable. It would take a hammer, chisel, and power saw just to get

to the discs. More pain. My life has become a never ending cycle of

pills, tens units, accupressure, etc. I'm happily married for 20 years,

but don't know how long that will last. Even sex has become unbareable.

It causes sciatica down my right leg. Almost every day, I have to add

something else to my " can't do that anymore " list. I have moments when

I would give just about anything for a great big doobie. I've thought

of moving to a state where medicinal marijuana is legal. Nope, you are

definitely not alone. I would like to talk to you some more if I didn't

scare you to death. Joy

>

>

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Now here is something no one can argue about Subject: god vs. science Body: Although you'd probably find the following story unsubstiantiated if you looked it up in Snopes or Urban Legends, it is a good and thought-provoking read.================================A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand."You're a Christian, aren't you, son?""Yes sir," the student says."So you believe in God?""Absolutely.""Is God good?""Sure! God's good.""Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?""Yes.""Are you good or evil?""The Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!"

He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over h ere and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?""Yes sir, I would.""So you're good...!""I wouldn't say that.""But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"The student remains silent."No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax."Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?""Er...yes," the student says."Is Satan good?"The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No.""Then

where does Satan come from?"The student falters. "From God""That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? T ell me, son. Is there evil in this world?""Yes, sir.""Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?""Yes.""So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"The student squirms on his feet. "Yes.""So who created them?"The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another

student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."The old man stops paci ng. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him.""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.""Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?""No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.""Yet you still believe in him?""Yes.""According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?""Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith.""Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no

evidence, only faith."The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?""Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat.""And is there such a thing as cold?""Yes, son, there's cold too.""No sir, there isn't."The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.""Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit

energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Co ld is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer."What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?""Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.""In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"The

professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?""You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.""It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.""Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your

students that they evolved from a monkey?""If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.""Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realiz es where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed."Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided."To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter."Is there anyone here who has

ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.""So if science says yo u have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith.""Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are

nothing else but evil."To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."The professor sat down.If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, pass it on. God vs Science

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

Now here is something no one can argue about Subject: god vs. science Body: Although you'd probably find the following story unsubstiantiated if you looked it up in Snopes or Urban Legends, it is a good and thought-provoking read.================================A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand."You're a Christian, aren't you, son?""Yes sir," the student says."So you believe in God?""Absolutely.""Is God good?""Sure! God's good.""Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?""Yes.""Are you good or evil?""The Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!"

He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over h ere and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?""Yes sir, I would.""So you're good...!""I wouldn't say that.""But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"The student remains silent."No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax."Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?""Er...yes," the student says."Is Satan good?"The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No.""Then

where does Satan come from?"The student falters. "From God""That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? T ell me, son. Is there evil in this world?""Yes, sir.""Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?""Yes.""So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"The student squirms on his feet. "Yes.""So who created them?"The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another

student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."The old man stops paci ng. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him.""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.""Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?""No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.""Yet you still believe in him?""Yes.""According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?""Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith.""Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no

evidence, only faith."The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?""Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat.""And is there such a thing as cold?""Yes, son, there's cold too.""No sir, there isn't."The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.""Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit

energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Co ld is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer."What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?""Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.""In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"The

professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?""You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.""It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.""Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your

students that they evolved from a monkey?""If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.""Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realiz es where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed."Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided."To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter."Is there anyone here who has

ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.""So if science says yo u have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith.""Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are

nothing else but evil."To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."The professor sat down.If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, pass it on. God vs Science

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Now here is something no one can argue about Subject: god vs. science Body: Although you'd probably find the following story unsubstiantiated if you looked it up in Snopes or Urban Legends, it is a good and thought-provoking read.================================A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand."You're a Christian, aren't you, son?""Yes sir," the student says."So you believe in God?""Absolutely.""Is God good?""Sure! God's good.""Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?""Yes.""Are you good or evil?""The Bible says I'm evil."The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over h ere and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?""Yes sir, I would.""So you're good...!""I wouldn't say that.""But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"The student remains silent."No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax."Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?""Er...yes," the student says."Is Satan good?"The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No.""Then where does Satan come from?"The student falters. "From God""That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? T ell me, son. Is there evil in this world?""Yes, sir.""Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?""Yes.""So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"The student squirms on his feet. "Yes.""So who created them?"The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."The old man stops paci ng. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?""No sir. I've never seen Him.""Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?""No, sir, I have not.""Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?""No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.""Yet you still believe in him?""Yes.""According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?""Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith.""Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?""Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat.""And is there such a thing as cold?""Yes, son, there's cold too.""No sir, there isn't."The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.""Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Co ld is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer."What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?""Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?""You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.""In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?""Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?""You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.""It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.""Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?""If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.""Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realiz es where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed."Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided."To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter."Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.""So if science says yo u have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith.""Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."The professor sat down.If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, pass it on. God vs Science Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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hi Lilian, yes they have the same as armour thyroid, but they are a generic brand and much cheaper. go to- http://www.medicapharma.comthis company is also in America I think ! they are wholesale price so is the cheapest ones to buy. Sheila has a list of where to buy on the net. angel.

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Hi Angel

To purchase Thyroid S (generic Armour) if you live in the USA or UK, you need a prescription to buy it from www.medicpharma.com unfortunately.

Luv - Sheila>> hi Lilian, yes they have the same as armour thyroid, but they are a generic brand and much cheaper. go to- http://www.medicapharma.com> this company is also in America I think ! they are wholesale price so is the cheapest ones to buy. Sheila has a list of where to buy on the net. angel.> > > > > __________________________________________________________> Sent from .> A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html>

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Hi Sheila

I bought 1,000 Thyroid S really cheaply at wholesale price without a

prescription, it wasn't mentioned.

Jan

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> Hi Angel

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> To purchase Thyroid S (generic Armour) if you live in the USA or UK, you

> need a prescription to buy it from www.medicpharma.com

> <http://www.medicpharma.com> unfortunately.

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Sorry, I meant to say I bought Thyroid-S wholesale from Medicapharma

without a prescription. Brain-fog.......and its Monday morning!

Jan

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> Hi Angel

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> To purchase Thyroid S (generic Armour) if you live in the USA or UK, you

> need a prescription to buy it from www.medicpharma.com

> <http://www.medicpharma.com> unfortunately.

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> Luv - Sheila

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I know Jan - a case of smacked hand. I got it wrong and have apologised

to Angel as she told me off too.

I think if things go on like they are, then we will need to look

elsewhere. I have had good reports about thyroid S, but apparently,

they do not appear to be quite as strong. What are your feelings about

Thyroid S Jan?

Luv - Sheila

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> Hi Sheila

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> I bought 1,000 Thyroid S really cheaply at wholesale price without a

> prescription, it wasn't mentioned.

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I also had 5 incisons total, with the port incision being the biggest, but still

not too big.

Lori

230(highest)/226(pre-op)/209.6(today)/130(goal)

Banded 5/29/08 Dr. Cywes ville, FL.

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looks like all the type of op in both america and here in england.of course it

has been available in usa for a lot longer.we,re always way behind.i have

battled with my weight for over 30years most of the battles were lost.spent a

lot of money on all kinds of diets,liposuction,hypnotherapy,at only 5ft tall and

220 at my heaviest i was in despair.although i havent used my band properly i am

down to 175 and a lot happier.i know now i wont overeat and yo.yo diet and can

settle down to a happier life,enjoying food without the constant fear of

it.after my next fill i will be eating healthy and hopefully lose some more

weight.

it good talking to others who i know will have gone through all the unhappiness

i have.

sheila

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I also had 5 incisons total, with the port incision being the biggest, but still

not too big.

Lori

230(highest)/226(pre-op)/209.6(today)/130(goal)

Banded 5/29/08 Dr. Cywes ville, FL.

     

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Shelia,

I surely agree that the moral support and encouragemkent of other

bandsters is very important to our success. Obese people tend to be

isolated, and don't talk about their obesity or the pain of obesity,

even with other heavy people.

Band support groups and the Net helps us feel less isolated - we're

all in this together.

I'm sure glad you found us.

I'm SO happy you're doing so much better now!

Sandy R

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> looks like all the type of op in both america and here in

england.of course it has been available in usa for a lot longer.we,re

always way behind.i have battled with my weight for over 30years most

of the battles were lost.spent a lot of money on all kinds of

diets,liposuction,hypnotherapy,at only 5ft tall and 220 at my

heaviest i was in despair.although i havent used my band properly i

am down to 175 and a lot happier.i know now i wont overeat and yo.yo

diet and can settle down to a happier life,enjoying food without the

constant fear of it.after my next fill i will be eating healthy and

hopefully lose some more weight.

> it good talking to others who i know will have gone through all the

unhappiness i have.

> sheila

>

>

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thanks sandy,

  it was a blessing in disguise when i became so desperate,unable to eat or

drink,that i found u and your group.like all things in life something good comes

out of an unhappy or bad situation.my brother in  law,s partner andrew has had

weight problems all his life.he is 42 now and is in hospital with anorexia.his

story is like all of us traumatic and unhappy.he is on the road to recovery

physically but is sectioned under the mental health act for his own safety as

emotionally he cannot eat for fear of becoming obese again.his weight went down

to 82lbs and he was at deaths door.we all need someone understand and care

sheila

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Shelia,

I surely agree that the moral support and encouragemkent of other

bandsters is very important to our success. Obese people tend to be

isolated, and don't talk about their obesity or the pain of obesity,

even with other heavy people.

Band support groups and the Net helps us feel less isolated - we're

all in this together.

I'm sure glad you found us.

I'm SO happy you're doing so much better now!

Sandy R

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> looks like all the type of op in both america and here in

england.of course it has been available in usa for a lot longer.we,re

always way behind.i have battled with my weight for over 30years most

of the battles were lost.spent a lot of money on all kinds of

diets,liposuction,hypnotherapy,at only 5ft tall and 220 at my

heaviest i was in despair.although i havent used my band properly i

am down to 175 and a lot happier.i know now i wont overeat and yo.yo

diet and can settle down to a happier life,enjoying food without the

constant fear of it.after my next fill i will be eating healthy and

hopefully lose some more weight.

> it good talking to others who i know will have gone through all the

unhappiness i have.

> sheila

>

>

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Hi , you could be having an antibodie attack, these can happen sometimes, even if you are well and stable on your medicines. angel.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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Me three, please. This group has been very helpful, but I'm sick of the ads. Thanks you!

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Welcome, This is the Message Board for Women with Hypothyroidism

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