Re: Nutri-adrenal extra advice

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Hi Lizzie,

I think we all get obsessed until we get it sorted! I'd just stop

talking to him about it (so much).

I take selenium ACE with Zinc from Holland and Barrett, but this doesn't

contain all you ate taking at the moment. Multivits don't generally contain

the large doses that may be needed to get levels up.

When I changed from T4 I stopped it for 5 days ( which halves the levels in

the body)I Took adrenal support before adding armour at a low level and

increasing every 5 days, finally adding in the T3. You will probably have to

do something like that or go slower if you thin that your may b sensitive

and when you get near optimum.

Hi everyone,

? Also if this is the case how quickly can I build up to

the prescribed does of T4 and T3 when I am taking the nutri-adrenal

extra. Is there an allround good multivitamin that would

cover all these requirements or are the amounts in them too low? I

would appreciate any advice that might help get me on the correct road

and stop me from obsessing over my health.

Love from a very confused Lizzie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie,

I take " EndFatigue Energy Revitalization (powder) & B-Complex (caps)

Citrus " which contains 3/4 gram of Vit C, 200mg of Selenium, 15mg of

Zinc, plus amino acids and high doses of Vit B's. (Go to

https://secure.endfatigue.com/store/products/supplements/energy-citrus/

for a full list of the ingredients).

I think the ferrous sulphate has to be taken on its own as too much is

not good for the body and most people don't need extra supplementation.

If you are obsessing then we probably all are too - I think it is ok

to obsess about your health.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lizzie

I did wonder this when you told me that you had not been told to reduce your thyroxine when you added T3. Are you taking your 10 mcgs in one dose, or have you tried to split it into two doses, taking half in the morning and half in the afternoon. I know it is difficult to split evenly when the tablet is so small, but it doesn't matter about getting it equal. Are you taking 25 mcgs T4 and 10 mcgs T3? If so, now you have dropped your dose, do you feel any better. Whenever anybody increases their thyroxine or adds 3, it is always better to boost your adrenals first so they can cope with such an increase. T4 has a long half life, so you will be OK if you stop that for a week, but you might miss the T3 (if it is actually working for you). However, from experience, if this was me, I would start taking NAE for at least a week - and 2 if possible, and then introduce the thyroxine and T3 again. It might have been better if Dr B had given you a trial of Armour, and who knows, he might actually suggest this.

After a week or so of taking nothing but NAE, I personally would add back your thyroxine 25 mcgs and your 10 mcgs T3 (if Dr B recommends you use these doses), but wait and see what he suggests first, let us know, and we can take it from there. The Magnesium, Zinc and Selenium are really essential, so I wouldn't skimp on them. None of these are really expensive. As Bob suggested, you can get your daily dose requirement of selenium by eating 2 Brazil Nuts a day. There is no ONE multivitamin that would cover your requirements as most give you a maintenance dose of vitamins, and with our condition, you need more than a maintenance dose.

DO obsess about your health Lizzie - you need to concentrate almost 100~% when you have been forced to take your health into your own hands. Learn as much as you can - go to some reputable Internet Pharmacies to find out the best price for supplements. Learn what foods you can eat that will give you the mineral/vitamins you require and what foods you should eat to help you build up your iron levels. Go to our website www.tpa-uk.or.guk and read what foods are good for you and what are not - and all about the supplements and what they do.

Do get on to Dr B though as soon as possible.

Luv - Sheila

Hi everyone,I have recently added 10mcg of T3 to 75 mcg of levothyroxine butalmost two weeks in suffered from palpitations that woke me up. I amnow wondering if maybe I could do with some adrenal support. I havereduced my T4 down to 25 mcg at the moment whilst waiting to hear fromDr Burrows on the best course of action.

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-hi Sheila

Thank you for replying so quickly. You are quite right I am now taking

25mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3 (T3 as one dose in the morning) I can't

say i have noticed it wearing off during the day though. I telephoned

and spoke to Dr B's secretary and explained what had happened and that

i needed to speak to him. She assured me that he would call me but

said it might not be straight away as they would need to get my notes.

But that was yesterday lunchtime and I still have.'t heard from him.

I can't really say if I am feeling any different. The only thing I

had noticed with the T3 was that after 2 days of taking it I felt

brighter and the leg cramps had gone. However on the day of the night

that I had the palpitations the leg cramps had came back. They are

probably worse now so I really don't know what's going on there. I did

think maybe too much Thyroxine = cramps and maybe too little = cramps

maybe I felt good for 12 days because I was somewhere in the middle, I

really don't know. I know that Dr B thinks that adrenal fatigue is non

exsistant and I am a little frightened of annoying him by taking

things into my own hands and stopping and starting my thyroxine. I

feel safer with the 25 mcg of T4 and am a little frightened of going

up to 50mcg in case the palpitations come on again.

As far as the supplements go I will get myself sorted out with those

and thank you for all your help.

Love Lizzie

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Phone Dr B again in the morning. Meanwhile, for a a couple of days, I would be very tempted to stop the T3 altogether to get it out of my system and start again, using 5 mcgs T3 and 25 mcgs T4. See what Dr B has to say.

Luv - Sheila

-hi SheilaThank you for replying so quickly. You are quite right I am now taking25mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3 (T3 as one dose in the morning) I can'tsay i have noticed it wearing off during the day though. I telephonedand spoke to Dr B's secretary and explained what had happened and thati needed to speak to him. She assured me that he would call me butsaid it might not be straight away as they would need to get my notes.But that was yesterday lunchtime and I still have.'t heard from him.I can't really say if I am feeling any different. The only thing Ihad noticed with the T3 was that after 2 days of taking it I feltbrighter and the leg cramps had gone. However on the day of the nightthat I had the palpitations the leg cramps had came back. They areprobably worse now so I really don't know what's going on there. I didthink maybe too much Thyroxine = cramps and maybe too little = crampsmaybe I felt good for 12 days because I was somewhere in the middle, Ireally don't know. I know that Dr B thinks that adrenal fatigue is nonexsistant and I am a little frightened of annoying him by takingthings into my own hands and stopping and starting my thyroxine. Ifeel safer with the 25 mcg of T4 and am a little frightened of goingup to 50mcg in case the palpitations come on again.As far as the supplements go I will get myself sorted out with thoseand thank you for all your help.Love Lizzie

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Hi Sheila

Thankyou I will try and get in touch with Dr B tomorrow but I am

working until 1 o'clock so here's hoping I will be able to catch him.

I will try by cutting down to 5mcg of T3 after a couple of days

without it, is it about 4 times more potent than T4? would you

continue with the T4 whilst not taking the T3? Are you suggesting I do

this as an alternative to adrenal support?

Thanking you for all your help love Lizzie

Phone Dr B again in the morning. Meanwhile, for a a couple of days, I

would be very tempted to stop the T3 altogether to get it out of my

system and start again, using 5 mcgs T3 and 25 mcgs T4. See what Dr B

has to say.

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> Luv - Sheila

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> -hi Sheila

> Thank you for replying so quickly. You are quite right I am now taking

> 25mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3 (T3 as one dose in the morning) I can't

> say i have noticed it wearing off during the day though. I telephoned

> and spoke to Dr B's secretary and explained what had happened and that

> i needed to speak to him. She assured me that he would call me but

> said it might not be straight away as they would need to get my notes.

> But that was yesterday lunchtime and I still have.'t heard from him.

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> I can't really say if I am feeling any different. The only thing I

> had noticed with the T3 was that after 2 days of taking it I felt

> brighter and the leg cramps had gone. However on the day of the night

> that I had the palpitations the leg cramps had came back. They are

> probably worse now so I really don't know what's going on there. I did

> think maybe too much Thyroxine = cramps and maybe too little = cramps

> maybe I felt good for 12 days because I was somewhere in the middle, I

> really don't know. I know that Dr B thinks that adrenal fatigue is non

> exsistant and I am a little frightened of annoying him by taking

> things into my own hands and stopping and starting my thyroxine. I

> feel safer with the 25 mcg of T4 and am a little frightened of going

> up to 50mcg in case the palpitations come on again.

>

> As far as the supplements go I will get myself sorted out with those

> and thank you for all your help.

>

> Love Lizzie

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Unfortunately, there is really no alternative to getting proper adrenal support if you suffer low adrenal reserve. I would continue taking your T4 as you are, but if you are going to take adrenal supplements, it would be best if you could stop all your thyroid medication whilst taking the NAE glandulars for at least a week (longer if possible) and then introduce your thyroid hormones again. You continue taking adrenal support after you start thyroid supplementation for quite some time.

luv - Sheila

Hi SheilaThankyou I will try and get in touch with Dr B tomorrow but I amworking until 1 o'clock so here's hoping I will be able to catch him.I will try by cutting down to 5mcg of T3 after a couple of dayswithout it, is it about 4 times more potent than T4? would youcontinue with the T4 whilst not taking the T3? Are you suggesting I dothis as an alternative to adrenal support?Thanking you for all your help love LizziePhone Dr B again in the morning. Meanwhile, for a a couple of days, Iwould be very tempted to stop the T3 altogether to get it out of mysystem and start again, using 5 mcgs T3 and 25 mcgs T4. See what Dr Bhas to say.> > Luv - Sheila> > > -hi Sheila> Thank you for replying so quickly. You are quite right I am now taking> 25mcg of T4 and 10mcg of T3 (T3 as one dose in the morning) I can't> say i have noticed it wearing off during the day though. I telephoned> and spoke to Dr B's secretary and explained what had happened and that> i needed to speak to him. She assured me that he would call me but> said it might not be straight away as they would need to get my notes.> But that was yesterday lunchtime and I still have.'t heard from him.> > I can't really say if I am feeling any different. The only thing I> had noticed with the T3 was that after 2 days of taking it I felt> brighter and the leg cramps had gone. However on the day of the night> that I had the palpitations the leg cramps had came back. They are> probably worse now so I really don't know what's going on there. I did> think maybe too much Thyroxine = cramps and maybe too little = cramps> maybe I felt good for 12 days because I was somewhere in the middle, I> really don't know. I know that Dr B thinks that adrenal fatigue is non> exsistant and I am a little frightened of annoying him by taking> things into my own hands and stopping and starting my thyroxine. I> feel safer with the 25 mcg of T4 and am a little frightened of going> up to 50mcg in case the palpitations come on again.> > As far as the supplements go I will get myself sorted out with those> and thank you for all your help.> > Love Lizzie> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1234 - Release Date:20/01/2008 14:15>

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Oh dear, you should leave at least 24 hours between having your last dose of thyroid meds and the blood test, otherwise you just don't get a true reading.

Luv nne T4 13.2 T3 4.2 TSH 0.63 this was 3 hours after I had taken my tabsof 75 mcg T4after taking it at night and 12 hours after the last dose my resultson 4th Jan wereT4 11.2 T3 4.3 TSH 2.2

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-Hi Sheila

Dr Burrows rang me this afternoon after I sent an email via his

secretary explaining what had happened. He said that he didn't think

that the T3 would have caused the palpitations. He was curious as to

why I had reduced the T4 and not stopped the T3 but I explained that

the T3 had helped me so much. My blood results in dec were

T4 13.2 T3 4.2 TSH 0.63 this was 3 hours after I had taken my tabs

of 75 mcg T4

after taking it at night and 12 hours after the last dose my results

on 4th Jan were

T4 11.2 T3 4.3 TSH 2.2

I queried these with him and he said they were normal and although the

tsh had altered it was not relevant as it changes all the time.

I thought these results were quite low and may have accounted for my

leg pains and general apathy what do you think?

He has advised me to go back to 75 mcg T4 and 10 mcg T3 and have a

further blood test in 2 weeks when my levels have got back to normal

just to check whats happening.

So my dilemma is do I try, again fingers crossed that nothing happens

as in the palpitations come back or go behind his back and try the

adrenal support first.

Sometimes my blood pressure drops when I check but at other times it

dosn't so maybe my adrenals are ok.

I did wonder whether my low ferritin may have caused the palps as it

was 15 and I have only been on treatment for a fortnight.

I would welcome your comments.

Love Lizzie

> Unfortunately, there is really no alternative to getting proper

adrenal support if you suffer low adrenal reserve. I would continue

taking your T4 as you are, but if you are going to take adrenal

supplements, it would be best if you could stop all your thyroid

medication whilst taking the NAE glandulars for at least a week

(longer if possible) and then introduce your thyroid hormones again.

You continue taking adrenal support after you start thyroid

supplementation for quite some time.

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> luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi nne,

It’s easy to say,

doc orders new test, usually sends me to see nurse ( another day another wait),

so I have taken meds, then she grabs arm and sticks needle in Grr! Then wonders

why my tests look high and won’t believe me when I explain, and promptly

reduces dose. So I see Dr. S who I have to pay for and the meds to top me up.

Grr!

Oh

dear, you should leave at least 24 hours between having your last dose of

thyroid meds and the blood test, otherwise you just don't get a true reading.

Luv

nne

[Guest guest]

hi marianne

the problem was both times I had the blood tests I did'nt expect to be

having them so no time to stop meds, I won't get caught out next time

I will make sure I don't take anything before visit to Dr B.

Love Lizzie

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> Oh dear, you should leave at least 24 hours between having your last

dose of

> thyroid meds and the blood test, otherwise you just don't get a true

reading.

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> Luv nne

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> T4 13.2 T3 4.2 TSH 0.63 this was 3 hours after I had taken my tabs

> of 75 mcg T4

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> after taking it at night and 12 hours after the last dose my results

> on 4th Jan were

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> T4 11.2 T3 4.3 TSH 2.2

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