Re: Latest blood results

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Hello Anne

Remind me again how much Thyroxine you are taking. Your FT$ could be a fair bit higher considering you are on thyroid hormone replacement therapy, as could your FT3, so it is good you are seeing an endocrinologist. If you have symptoms, do list these and your signs (check these against those in our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk under 'Hypothyroidism' and then click on 'Symptoms and Signs'. Take your temperature for 5 days before getting out of bed, and make a note of these too. List all your medications, including your supplements and be sure to write down every question you need the endocrinologist to answer. It is so easy to forget once you are in the consulting room. If possible, take somebody with you, it amazes me what a difference this makes in how a doctor deals with you.

You might feel better by changing your job, but you can only wait and see if that helps. Tell us what supplements you are taking and also, have you also done the adrenal and candida questionnaire that is in our files. Often, if thyroid hormone replacement isn';t working as it should, it is because you have another condition going alongside, that is stopping this from being absorbed by your body. Check these out in our Files on this forum website.

Luv - Sheila>> As the title says I've got my latest blood results> > TSH 0.33 (0.35-5.00)> FT4 13.7 (9.0-20.0)> FT3 3.6 (2.5-5.7)> > Ferritin 78 (20-275)> prolactin 178 (25-275)> > I actually got quite excited because when I phoned for the results > the receptionist said I needed to speak to the GP. The gp I normally > see is on holiday so another one phoned me and just said that my TSH > was a bit low but she didn't think my thyroxine should be reduced. > Everything else normal.> > I've got an appointment next week with the doc I normally see - on > Thursday I think. He will refer me to an endocrinologist now, from > what we discussed last time I saw him.> > I've decided that I'm going to change jobs. I work in a restaurant > and finish quite late sometimes. I keep wondering if it's that making > me feel so rubbish. Either way it can only be a good thing to have > a "normal" work pattern.> > I'd appreciate any thoughts.> > Anne>

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Hi,

I'd say that your FT4 was too low and a dose increase may help more than

a reduction! Docs are far too keen to undermedicate hypo's. It doesn't

matter if your TSH is low. It's probably affected if you took meds on the

day of the test before blood was drawn. Ferritin a bit low healthy range is

above 90 so you may feel a bit better if you supplememt this, but don't take

at the same time as you thyroid meds.

Subject: Latest Blood Results

As the title says I've got my latest blood results

TSH 0.33 (0.35-5.00)

FT4 13.7 (9.0-20.0)

FT3 3.6 (2.5-5.7)

Ferritin 78 (20-275)

prolactin 178 (25-275)

I've got an appointment next week with the doc I normally see - on

Thursday I think. He will refer me to an endocrinologist now, from

what we discussed last time I saw him.

I'd appreciate any thoughts.

Anne

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Thanks for your replies - sorry I didn't reply before. It's been one

of those weeks - a mixture between feeling rubbish and being busy!

I've had a look at the symptoms list and there are quite a few that I

can relate to. I'm about to do the adrenal questionnaire. I'm seeing

my gp today so I'll see what he says about a possible increase ( I

didn't take meds before the blood tests this time), I'm not that

hopeful though as they all seem to go with the TSH don;t they! I'll

talk to him about the iron.

Anne.

>

> Hi,

> I'd say that your FT4 was too low and a dose increase may help

more than

> a reduction! Docs are far too keen to undermedicate hypo's. It

doesn't

> matter if your TSH is low. It's probably affected if you took meds

on the

> day of the test before blood was drawn. Ferritin a bit low healthy

range is

> above 90 so you may feel a bit better if you supplememt this, but

don't take

> at the same time as you thyroid meds.

>

>

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I've just looked at the symptoms list and I have 32 hypothyroid

symptoms. Can I just ask what alcohol intolerance is? Is it a food

sensitivity type reaction (such as skin or stomach) or does it mean you

feel the effects of alcohol more easily?

I've done the adrenal questionnaire too:

Total responses was 49

Total points was 105

Severity index 2.1

I'm going to take this with me to the doctor as I'm sure there are

symptoms there that I haven't mentioned to him yet. I hope he will

agree to test my adrenal function (if that's the right term) after

seeing that.

Anne

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If it is not too late Anne, then do try to persuade your GP to give you the full thyroid function tests, which include TSG,m Free T4, Free T3 and also test to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid. Tell your GP you want to be tested to see where your Ferritin (stored iron) level lies. Good luck and let us know if s/he agrees to an increase.

luv - Sheila

Thanks for your replies - sorry I didn't reply before. It's been one of those weeks - a mixture between feeling rubbish and being busy!I've had a look at the symptoms list and there are quite a few that I can relate to. I'm about to do the adrenal questionnaire. I'm seeing my gp today so I'll see what he says about a possible increase ( I didn't take meds before the blood tests this time), I'm not that hopeful though as they all seem to go with the TSH don;t they! I'll talk to him about the iron. Anne.>> Hi,> I'd say that your FT4 was too low and a dose increase may help more than> a reduction! Docs are far too keen to undermedicate hypo's. It doesn't> matter if your TSH is low. It's probably affected if you took meds on the> day of the test before blood was drawn. Ferritin a bit low healthy range is> above 90 so you may feel a bit better if you supplememt this, but don't take> at the same time as you thyroid meds.> >

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Hi Shelia,

I've had all those tests (results on the first post in this thread)

except the antibodies.

I've already seen my gp today and I got my referral to an

endocrinologist. He didn't agree to increase my thyroxine because of

the TSH, he said the result showed I may be slightly hyper but he

wasn't going to reduce my thyroxine because of the problems I'm

having. He also agreed that it may be an adrenal problem and said the

endocrinologist may want to test that when I see him (trust me that's

the first thing I'll be asking for!)

Something else that came up is that I felt a million times worse when

I had my period last month. I stopped taking the contraceptive pill

about 3 months ago (in the hope I'd feel better!) but he thinks I

should try a different one to see if it's linked to my hormones. He

said it would be a short term thing for a couple of months to see

what happens. I'm a bit dubious about taking it again and I said I

wasn't sure I wanted to start on the pill again. He gave me the

prescription anyway and left it for me to decide if I want to take it

or not. Has anyone else had anything similar to this? I'm seeing him

for a follow up in 2 weeks.

I'm not sure I've ever really listed my symptoms here, I don't really

like offloading on other people but I can't go on like this much

longer.

I feel very tired and lethargic every day, I often wake up feeling

like I haven't slept, if I do wake up feeling relatively ok I'm ready

to go back to bed by 11am. I get the 3pm crash too - I often have to

drag myself out to get my eldest daughter from school. I feel best

in the evening - as long as I've eaten properly during the day. If

not all I'm good for is sitting on the sofa watching tv.

I get brain fog, to the point it's now affecting my work (and I'm

sure my manager thinks I'm thick as I keep making really stupid

mistakes) which is very frustrating. One of the girls I work with has

said a couple of times that I look spaced out - and jokingly asked if

I'm taking drugs!

I sometimes get dizzy when I stand up and I get hypoglycaemic

symptoms if I don't eat regularly enough, although fasting blood

glucose tests always come back normal. I have lots of food

intolerances and my symptoms seem worse at the moment, and I seem to

be reacting to more foods.

I get intermittant joint pains in my neck, back, and this week my hip

has been hurting. I also have clicky wrists and ankles.

There's loads more but I can't remember them! I'm 30 and I'm a total

mess. My house is a wreck and I just want to feel well again. I keep

going because I have 2 children and they need looking after no matter

how I feel.

Sorry this wasn't meant to turn into a moan, thanks for listening.

Anne

>

> If it is not too late Anne, then do try to persuade your GP

to give you the full thyroid function tests, which include TSG,m Free

T4, Free T3 and also test to see if you have antibodies to your

thyroid. Tell your GP you want to be tested to see where your

Ferritin (stored iron) level lies. Good luck and let us know if s/he

agrees to an increase.

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

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My most recent resultr are:

TSH 0.33 (0.35-5.00)

FT4 13.7 (9.0-20.0)

FT3 3.6 (2.5-5.7)

Ferritin 78 (20-275)

prolactin 178 (25-275)

These bloods were done before taking my thyroxine that day.

I've done the adrenal questionnaire too:

Total responses was 49

Total points was 105

Severity index 2.1

Candida Questionnaire - scored 141

I've looked at the candida diet and I'd have to see a dietician

before doing anything like that. I currently have a very low fat diet

because of the foods I react to, I've lost quite a lot of weight over

the last year and I would be concerned about restricting my diet

further without help.

It's interesting about the progesterone. After I had my second baby I

was taking the mini pill (which is progesterone only)because I was

breastfeeding. About 2-3 months after stopping (both bf and the mini

pill) and starting on a combination pill I asked for a blood test

because I was tired all the time! I've only just made the connection.

I'm not taking any selenium. I will try it though. I think I'll buy

some ferrous sulphate at the same time.

My gp said that the endo could look at alternative ways of treating

my thyroid, including possibly suppplementing T3. He is very

understanding but I got the impression it's beyond his knowledge of

thyroid problems and the rest is up to the endo.

I had my bp done at my last gp visit. He took it with me lying down,

then he had me stand up quickly and took it again. There was no

change and it was ok - he did tell me what it was but I can't

remember!

I'd love to see a private doctor just to be seen more quickly but we

can't afford it.

- sorry I missed your reply earlier about the alcohol. Thanks

for clearing that up - it may explain why I got paraletic on (what

seemed like) not a lot of alcohol at my cousin's wedding last month.

Or maybe I just drank too much ;0)!

Sheila - I'm sorry you went through what you did. I have enourmous

admiration for you for not only educating your gp and getting the

treatment you needed, but also helping so many other people get well

too.

Anne

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Hi Anne>> My most recent resultr are:> > TSH 0.33 (0.35-5.00)> FT4 13.7 (9.0-20.0)> FT3 3.6 (2.5-5.7)

Both your FT4 and FT3 could be higher in the range.>> Ferritin 78 (20-275)> prolactin 178 (25-275)

Both of these are fine.> > These bloods were done before taking my thyroxine that day.

Good> > I've done the adrenal questionnaire too:> Total responses was 49> Total points was 105> Severity index 2.1

You could do with giving your adrenals a boost. This would help your thyroid hormone replacement to be better absorbed by your body. We recommend usually Nutri Adrenal Extra - though there is quite a lot on the market. This is well tried and tested. You can buy it from www.yournutritionshop.co.uk . You should start taking 1 tablet with breakfast and after a couple of days, add another one with your lunch. Never take these tablets after 1.00p.m. because the tiny amount of extra adrenaline might contribute to keeping you awake. After a couple of days, you can add another one with your breakfast, and if you feel you are not quite 'there' you can add yet another one with lunch. Some people add another one when they first raise their thyroid hormone dose. > > Candida Questionnaire - scored 141> I've looked at the candida diet and I'd have to see a dietician > before doing anything like that. I currently have a very low fat diet > because of the foods I react to, I've lost quite a lot of weight over > the last year and I would be concerned about restricting my diet > further without help.

That's an excellent idea and well thought out. You might want to look in our FILES at the suggested candida diets there to see whether you think they might suit you. There are others here who will help you through this. Both low adrenal reserve and Candida Albicans can stop your thyroid hormone replacement from working, so it is good you have found this out now.> > It's interesting about the progesterone. After I had my second baby I > was taking the mini pill (which is progesterone only)because I was > breastfeeding. About 2-3 months after stopping (both bf and the mini > pill) and starting on a combination pill I asked for a blood test > because I was tired all the time! I've only just made the connection.

See what your GP has to say about this. > > I'm not taking any selenium. I will try it though. I think I'll buy > some ferrous sulphate at the same time.

I don't think there is a need for you to take any Ferrous Sulphate. A reading of 78 is pretty good as we know a woman's ferritin level should be between 70 and 90. You can save your money here.> > My gp said that the endo could look at alternative ways of treating > my thyroid, including possibly suppplementing T3. He is very > understanding but I got the impression it's beyond his knowledge of > thyroid problems and the rest is up to the endo.

WOW - that sounds good news indeed. Most GP's have not had the necessary training to cope with thyroid diseases on their own, so it is great he will refer you to an endocrinologist. Do let us know what the endo says. I hope he gives you a trial of T3.> > I had my bp done at my last gp visit. He took it with me lying down, > then he had me stand up quickly and took it again. There was no > change and it was ok - he did tell me what it was but I can't > remember!

Sounds like you have an intelligent GP - stick with him - regarding thyroid problems - these are rare!> > I'd love to see a private doctor just to be seen more quickly but we > can't afford it.

Don't worry Anne - you sound to have two good doctors who will look after you - and , of course, there is always TPA to help you out when you need help.> > - sorry I missed your reply earlier about the alcohol. Thanks > for clearing that up - it may explain why I got paraletic on (what > seemed like) not a lot of alcohol at my cousin's wedding last month. > Or maybe I just drank too much ;0)!

This is a problem quite a few hypothyroid suffers have - but not me, I am happy to say. I like a glass of wine at night (or two) to wind me down.> > Sheila - I'm sorry you went through what you did. I have enourmous > admiration for you for not only educating your gp and getting the > treatment you needed, but also helping so many other people get well > too.

I opened TPA because of what I went through. I was just a very angry lady. I hate to see the thousands of other sufferers who I know are going through a very similar experience without helping them fight their corner. The more we all stick together and gather the research and studies together to show that such organisations as the British Thyroid Association are mistaken in their diagnostic and treatment protocol, the more likely that we will, one day, change this.

Luv - Sheila> > Anne>

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Hi,

You doc doesn't seem to be looking at any result other than TSH your free

T4 is far too low ( as well as T3)a dose increase of T4 may help with the

T3 if you can convert, without going down the T3 route. Good to hear that

your BP shows that you probably don't have adrenal problems.

Iron looks OK as does prolactin

You might like to consider zinc as well as selenium.

Zinc is an easy test- just suck a zinc gluconate tablet- if you immediately

go yuk! You have enough zinc, if it is just chalky then you are low in zinc.

Subject: Re: Latest Blood Results

My most recent resultr are:

TSH 0.33 (0.35-5.00)

FT4 13.7 (9.0-20.0)

FT3 3.6 (2.5-5.7)

Ferritin 78 (20-275)

prolactin 178 (25-275)

These bloods were done before taking my thyroxine that day.

I'm not taking any selenium. I will try it though. I think I'll buy

some ferrous sulphate at the same time.

the

treatment you needed, but also helping so many other people get well

too.

Anne

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Hi , what were the levels before? And how long ago was it? I

wouldn't be too worried about TSH, from what I gather T4 and T3 more

important and don't forget that blood tests aren't 100% and levels

change all the time so a 0.10 drop on your T3 is probably nothing

major. :-) The reference range is probably 2.5-5.3 so could be a

little bit higher and T4 could be too if you feel you are not 'there

yet'. How are you feeling? Are your adrenals ok? Ruth x

>

> My lastest blood results are

> T4 18.1 ref 9-22

> TSH 0.66 ref 0.5- 4.94 this has gone down from 3.6 at previous

test!

> Why such a drop?

> T3 4.06 this has gone down from 4.16 last test, still low in range

but

> cant remember the range

> Anti bodies 628, HIGH I have hashis so will always be high.

> I have also tested positive for candida albicans, a test I had done

at

> Genova through Dr P.

> My doc was rushed today, doctors off so felt unable to talk to him

> about present issues, did try but he said to increse my T4 to

175mcg

> from 150mcg, bit scared of doing this, what should I do?

> He is chaseing up my referral with the hospital as still havent got

an

> appointment after 4 weeks, he said he cant do anything about my

> adrenals as they dont have the knowledge that an endo has, so I

guess I

> have to wait to see the hospital on that one.

> I am bit concerned at my T3 drop and also cant understand why my

TSH

> should suddenly take a BIG drop although this is good?

>

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Hi

My last test was 6 weeks ago before the one I had last week, I had been upped to 150mcg and now upped to 175mcg on symptoms really.

I am not there yet and am treating poor adrenals with NAE, have been for 4 weeks now.

I am just worried that another increase might send me the other way, I dont know really.

I still dont feel well, but think that might be the adrenals, feel sick most days.

I guess I need to be brave and increase and see what happens!

I did broach the subject of armour but as I guessed it was dismissed so didnt bother carrying on! I guess I still dont know for sure if T4 will work eventually for me yet although it has been 2 yrs on it now!

Has anyone ever taken fluconazole for candida? It is in my protocol from Dr P to take one a week for 3 weeks to treat candida but it also says " a rapid die off of candida may promote symptoms of general toxixity with collapse, headaches, bowel upsets. This " Herxheimer Reaction" will pass in a day or so, I am particualarly worried about the " collapse" bit!!

From: lostgirl7784 <ruthmillward77@...>Subject: Re: Latest blood resultsthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 11:15 AM

Hi , what were the levels before? And how long ago was it? I wouldn't be too worried about TSH>> My lastest blood results are > T4 18.1 ref 9-22> TSH 0.66 ref 0.5- 4.94 this has gone down from 3.6 at previous test! > Why such a drop?> T3 4.06 this has gone down from 4.16 last test, still low in range but > cant remember the range> Anti bodies 628, HIGH I have hashis so will always be high.> I have also tested positive for candida albicans, a test I had done at > Genova through Dr P.> My doc was rushed today, doctors off so felt unable to talk to him > about present issues, did try but he said to increse my T4 to 175mcg > from 150mcg, bit

scared of doing this, what should I do?> He is chaseing up my referral with the hospital as still havent got an > appointment after 4 weeks, he said he cant do anything about my > adrenals as they dont have the knowledge that an endo has, so I guess I > have to wait to see the hospital on that one.> I am bit concerned at my T3 drop and also cant understand why my TSH > should suddenly take a BIG drop although this is good?>

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Hi , did Dr P think it'd be OK to raise the thyroxine then? I

have used fluconazole many times for thrush and more recently taking

once a week for three weeks. I bought some online after dr kept

making me go for swabs before giving me treatment as he said I was

taking it too much (every 6 weeks of so) and swabs always came back

negative for candida (but nurse said there is many types of candida

and they don't test for all) although every time it went away when I

treated it. I never had any problem with it myself, haven't noticed

any side effects of the candida 'dying off'. Take prebiotics as well.

I eat easiyo yogurt (live yogurt) which is homemade. You will find it

in health food shops or online. I buy it at www.yoghurtdirect.co.uk

in bulk to save money. You buy sachets of it (comes powdered) that

you add water too and put in the easiyo flask overnight. The flask

now comes in fancy colours, mine's just boring white lol. I recommend

the greek yogurt which you can use in cooking or with fruit and it

you want it flavoured, buy some of their fruit sachets which are

fruit pulp but have sugar in so if you're cutting sugar out at the

moment, will be something to try later? The supermarket bought live

yogurts have very little 'good bacteria' left by the time you bought

it (and a rip-off in my opinion), the idea is homemade yogurt which

be as fresh and you can get so more good bacteria in it. If you have

problems with milk, you can also use the easiyo flask to make yogurt

with soya milk, although you will need to buy the powdered good

bacteria to put in it (it multiplies in the warmth) and turn the milk

into yogurt). Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about the 'die off',

there's no point worrying until it actually happens! :-) If it does

happen, it won't last forever and as Dr P says, you know there was a

need to do it! :-) Has Dr P said to raise NAE or try

something 'stronger' for adrenals? Ruth x

>

> Hi

> My last test was 6 weeks ago before the one I had last week, I had

been upped to 150mcg and now upped to 175mcg on symptoms really.

> I am not there yet and am treating poor adrenals with NAE, have

been for 4 weeks now.

> I am just worried that another increase might send me the other

way, I dont know really.

> I still dont feel well, but think that might be the adrenals, feel

sick most days.

> I guess I need to be brave and increase and see what happens!

> I did broach the subject of armour but as I guessed it was

dismissed so didnt bother carrying on! I guess I still dont know for

sure if T4 will work eventually for me yet although it has been 2 yrs

on it now!

> Has anyone ever taken fluconazole for candida? It is in my protocol

from Dr P to take one a week for 3 weeks to treat candida but it also

says " a rapid die off of candida may promote symptoms of general

toxixity with collapse, headaches, bowel upsets. This " Herxheimer

Reaction " will pass in a day or so, I am particualarly worried about

the " collapse " bit!!

>

>

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Hi

I havent actually said anything to Dr P about raising the thyroxine although I may email him, thanks for the tips on the yogurt etc I will look into it.

I have just increased the NAE to 4 a day, I did this at the weekend.

He may suggest something stronger after my first 6 week diary is complete.

Thanks

From: lostgirl7784 <ruthmillward77@...>Subject: Re: Latest blood resultsthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 3:40 PM

Hi , did Dr P think it'd be OK to raise the thyroxine then? I have used fluconazole many times for thrush and more recently taking once a week for three weeks. I bought some online after dr kept making me go for swabs before giving me treatment as he said I was taking it too much (every 6 weeks of so) and swabs always came back negative for candida (but nurse said there is many types of candida and they don't test for all) although every time it went away when I treated it. I never had any problem with it myself, haven't noticed any side effects of the candida 'dying off'. Take prebiotics as well. I eat easiyo yogurt (live yogurt) which is homemade. You will find it in health food shops or online. I buy it at www.yoghurtdirect. co.uk in bulk to save money>> Hi> My last test was 6 weeks ago before the one I had last week, I had been upped to 150mcg and now upped to 175mcg on symptoms really.> I am not there yet and am treating poor adrenals with NAE, have been for 4 weeks now.> I am just worried that another increase might send me the other way, I dont know really.> I still dont feel well, but think that might be the adrenals, feel sick most days.> I guess I need to be brave and increase and see what happens!> I did broach the subject of armour but as I guessed it was dismissed so didnt bother carrying on! I guess I still dont know for sure if T4 will work eventually for me yet although it has been 2 yrs on it now!> Has anyone ever taken fluconazole for candida? It is in my protocol from Dr P to take one a week for 3 weeks to treat candida but it also says " a

rapid die off of candida may promote symptoms of general toxixity with collapse, headaches, bowel upsets. This " Herxheimer Reaction" will pass in a day or so, I am particualarly worried about the " collapse" bit!!> >

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Ha\ve a look at the information we have in our website regarding Candida , and also look at everything we have on this subject that is in our FILES on this forum website. You WILL have to force yourself to stop eating the sugarary stuff, and eat lots of raw garlic if possible. This is a terrific fungicide. Doint a bowel detox can get rid of lots of candida in the gut.

If your doctor said try 175 mcgs T4, then try this. It might work, some people take as much as 300 mcgs and more, quite simply because they need it. They used to prescribe much higher doses of L-thyroxine in the old days to what they prescribe now - and this was dropped when the blood tests were manufactured. They just can't seem to get anything right. Anyway, see how you get on and don't be scared. If you start getting any adverse reactions, such as sweaty, dizzy, palpitations, then you stop taking that dose and stay off L-thyroxine for a few days and then start taking the dose you were on before this latest increase. Don't hold your breath either regarding the NHS telling you that you do have an adrenal problem because they only really test your adrenals to see whether you have 's disease or not. More than likely any test they do will come back as 'normal'. You have already had the best test done by doing the 24 hour saliva test, so don't worry about waiting for the NHS test.

Your TSH will have taken a drop because your body is getting more thyroid hormone than it did last time. Your Free T3 has probably dropped because you might not be converting properly right now, simply because of your poor adrenals and they are unable to help in getting your body to absorb the thyroid hormones properly. This should start to happen again once your adrenals have been supplemented enough. But keep raising your NAE until you start to feel better every four weeks. You can go up to 6 tablets a day, yet some people take even more.

luv - Sheila

I have also tested positive for candida albicans, a test I had done at Genova through Dr P.My doc was rushed today, doctors off so felt unable to talk to him about present issues, did try but he said to increse my T4 to 175mcg from 150mcg, bit scared of doing this, what should I do?He is chaseing up my referral with the hospital as still havent got an appointment after 4 weeks, he said he cant do anything about my adrenals as they dont have the knowledge that an endo has, so I guess I have to wait to see the hospital on that one.I am bit concerned at my T3 drop and also cant understand why my TSH should suddenly take a BIG drop although this is good?No virus found in this incoming message.

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Thanks Sheila, I will increase to 175mcg and see how I go, my adrenals are probably in a better posistion to cope with this increase than they were before, I hope.

I was just really shocked that my TSH had dropped from 3.6 to 0.66 in 7 weeks. But I know bloods dont mean a lot if you still feel unwell and its symptoms that matter.

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>Subject: Re: Latest blood resultsthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 6:54 PM

Ha\ve a look at the information we have in our website regarding Candida , and also look at everything we have on this subject that is in our FILES on this forum website. You WILL have to force yourself to stop eating the sugarary stuff, and eat lots of raw garlic if possible. This is a terrific fungicide. Doint a bowel detox can get rid of lots of candida in the gut.

If your doctor said try 175 mcgs T4, then try this. It might work, some people take as much as 300 mcgs and more, quite simply because they need it. They used to prescribe much higher doses of L-thyroxine in the old days to what they prescribe now - and this was dropped when the blood tests were manufactured. They just can't seem to get anything right. Anyway, see how you get on and don't be scared.

luv - Sheila

I have also tested positive for candida albicans, a test I had done at Genova through Dr P.My doc was rushed today, doctors off so felt unable to talk to him about present issues, did try but he said to increse my T4 to 175mcg from 150mcg, bit scared of doing this, what should I do?He is chaseing up my referral with the hospital as still havent got an appointment after 4 weeks, he said he cant do anything about my adrenals as they dont have the knowledge that an endo has, so I guess I have to wait to see the hospital on that one.I am bit concerned at my T3 drop and also cant understand why my TSH should suddenly take a BIG drop although this is good?No virus found in this incoming message.

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Hi susanne, As you TSH is rising, insist on a dose increase. The only result of the T4 so far is to stop your thyroid producing the little it was and therefore at present you are worse off. > Subject: latest blood results> > Just phoned docs for latest blood results. TSH last time I was tested which about last sept was 5.4. TSH is now 8.1. Im on 50mcg Levothyroxine. I asked last time for my B12, Magnesium, calcium and zinc to be tested. Receptionist was only able to give me readings for B12 which was 413 (ref range 170 -730). I have today ordered Nutri Adrenal Extra.> > I have an appointment to see GP next Tuesday, any suggestions to what I can ask? Last time I saw her I told my periods were all over the place and she said it was probably because they hadn't got thyroid controlled yet. > > Thanks. > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi ,

Thanks for your reply. I forgot to ask what my T4 was but have you any idea why

my TSH may have dropped initially then rose again on the same doseage? Could I

also ask please, I have started to take NAE this morning (1 tab). Is this ok

whilst taking Levo? I read somewhere you should take it before starting on

thyroxin.

Thanks.

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> Hi susanne,

> As you TSH is rising, insist on a dose increase. The only

result of the T4 so far is to stop your thyroid producing the little it was and

therefore at present you are worse off.

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> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

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Hi ne

You probably have antibodies to your thyroid. If you have not

been tested, ask your GP to test to see whether you have them. Antibodies see

your thyroid tissue as public enemy number one and set about its total destruction.

When they are active your TSH will rise, when they are not active, your TSH

will drop. This cause of hypothyroidism is called Hashimoto's. The treatment is

the same as for any other cause of symptoms of hypothyroidism.

It is best when starting adrenal supplementation to stop your

thyroid hormone replacement for 7 days. This is because your adrenals need

resting, which they cannot do when having to help the thyroid hormone get into

the cells, so they can concentrate on the adrenal supplement only. You can

start your levothyroxine again then at the same dose you are taking now.

Luv - Sheila

Hi ,

Thanks for your reply. I forgot to ask what my T4 was but have you any idea why

my TSH may have dropped initially then rose again on the same doseage? Could I

also ask please, I have started to take NAE this morning (1 tab). Is this ok

whilst taking Levo? I read somewhere you should take it before starting on

thyroxin.

Thanks.

>

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Hi Suzanne, Your body reacted to the added T4, which reduced the TSH initially, but as this was not enough the pituitary started calling for more- ie the TSH rose again. The initial dose of T4 may have made the pituitary stronger- in very low thyroid states sometimes the pituitary slows down too. It is usual to stop thyroid meds for a few days before starting adrenal support, but as you are only taking a small dose I'm sure this will be fine. > thyroid treatment > From: susanne04107@...> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:34:12 +0000> Subject: Re: latest blood results> > Hi ,> > Thanks for your reply. I forgot to ask what my T4 was but have you any idea why my TSH may have dropped initially then rose again on the same doseage? Could I also ask please, I have started to take NAE this morning (1 tab). Is this ok whilst taking Levo? I read somewhere you should take it before starting on thyroxin.> > Thanks. > > > --> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >