Re: Not quite sure what is happening - any ideas folks????

July 17, 2008

HI P

Perhaps you would be better using ONLY T3. If you had very low Free T3 blood results, this could be an indication the T4 isn't converting. You have probably excess T4 in your blood, causing you to become a little 'toxic', because it is going nowhere. How long had you been on 5mcgs T3 before you increased it to twice a day. Perhaps this now needs increasing and your T4 decreasing.

I developed severe pain on T4 only. This was particularly in my lower back, under both heels and my shoulder. I had brain fog and coldness too. This was on 125 mcgs T4. Things were getting worse. It got so bad my doctor told me I had a prolapsed disc - I knew I hadn't. I had to lay sometimes (about once every 3 months) on the floor in our lounge because I couldn't get upstairs, and I couldn't stand or sit in a chair - and had tremendous pain trying to sit on a bucket to do the things one needs to do. In the end, I went to see a hormone specialist (not an endocrinologist) and it was he who found I was not converting to T3, and because the T3 was not getting into my tissues my muscles were literally going into spasm. He started me on Armour, and the pains left my body never to return. All the time I needed the T3 (and benefited so much from whatever else is in Armour.

I used to walk about OK - I would get into the car OK, I would sit down OK, but whenever I had to stand up, it was impossible. I would drop from my armchair onto my knees, and gradually have to crawl around to the back of the chair, where I would gradually pull myself to an upright position. Stand for a few moments to let my back "settle" and then I could walk around OK. It was even worse getting out of the car. I am now 100% without pain.

Think about it.

Luv - Sheila

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I am now on 125mcg thyroxine (have been for months) and about a month ago I started taking 5cmg of T3 initially once a day and in the last week or so, I've started using the T3 twice a day (because of my 'below the normal reference range' of free T3 and 'about 100 above the normal reference range' of Reverse T3). I also use progesterone cream and Indole-3-Carbinol.I've also noticed my energy levels decreasing despite increasing my dose of T3 to 5mcg twice a day instead of 5mcg once a day. I'm also taking a B complex supplement, 200mcg of Selenium, about 2000mg of Vit C some days, 1000mg of Vitamin D3, about 4 fish oil capsules, Zinc supplements and magnesium when necessary.Any ideas about what might be going on? Any input is valued.P (aka - the sore and achy one)No virus found in this incoming message.

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July 18, 2008

Hi

Have to say that I have had exactly the same as you.I have been

hypothyroid for about ten years. Was always in a bit of pain but it

has become worse and worse over the years. I am very 'stiff 'first

thing in the morning and find walking difficult. My hips hurt as well

and sometimes my hands neck and shoulders. I have seen so many

'specialists' to try and discover what is going on and in a couple of

weeks I am going to see a rehumatologist as it is now suspected that I

have arthritis although all the blood tests have come back negative.

The only thing that gives me any relief is anti inflammatory

medication but it is not good to take it for too long. I do find that

with anything that doctors can't put a label on you really have to

keep pegging away at them and then eventually someone will give you

some answers.(I take five grains of Armour and cod liver oil ,evening

primrose, selenium,and B complex) but at least with the anti

inflammatory I am reasonably mobile. Do hope you get 'sorted' as

constant pain is very miserable.

Luv Frances

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've noticed a gradual increase in 'arthritic' type symptoms and

> today it hurts a bit to type. My hips hurt and I have to hobble

> around for a while when I first stand up. Takes a bit of walking

> before I can walk normally.

July 18, 2008

Hi Frances

I am wondering whether you might be better stopping Armour and just using T3. Your symptoms sound like fibromyalgia - which is treated with the active hormone T3. Have you discussed this with your doctor?

Luv - Sheila

Have to say that I have had exactly the same as you.I have beenhypothyroid for about ten years. Was always in a bit of pain but ithas become worse and worse over the years. I am very 'stiff 'firstthing in the morning and find walking difficult. My hips hurt as welland sometimes my hands neck and shoulders. I have seen so many'specialists' to try and discover what is going on and in a couple ofweeks I am going to see a rehumatologist as it is now suspected that Ihave arthritis although all the blood tests have come back negative.The only thing that gives me any relief is anti inflammatorymedication but it is not good to take it for too long. I do find thatwith anything that doctors can't put a label on you really have tokeep pegging away at them and then eventually someone will give yousome answers.(I take five grains of Armour and cod liver oil ,eveningprimrose, selenium,and B complex) but at least with the antiinflammatory I am reasonably mobile. Do hope you get 'sorted' asconstant pain is very miserable.Luv Frances ---

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July 18, 2008

Hi Sheila

That is something I had thought to talk to the rhumatologist about.

But I am sure they will do lots of tests anyway.

Luv Frances

>

> Hi Frances

>

> I am wondering whether you might be better stopping Armour and just

using T3. Your symptoms sound like fibromyalgia - which is treated

with the active hormone T3. Have you discussed this with your doctor?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> Have to say that I have had exactly the same as you.I have been

> hypothyroid for about ten years. Was always in a bit of pain but it

> has become worse and worse over the years. I am very 'stiff 'first

> thing in the morning and find walking difficult. My hips hurt as well

> and sometimes my hands neck and shoulders. I have seen so many

> 'specialists' to try and discover what is going on and in a couple of

> weeks I am going to see a rehumatologist as it is now suspected that I

> have arthritis although all the blood tests have come back negative.

> The only thing that gives me any relief is anti inflammatory

> medication but it is not good to take it for too long. I do find that

> with anything that doctors can't put a label on you really have to

> keep pegging away at them and then eventually someone will give you

> some answers.(I take five grains of Armour and cod liver oil ,evening

> primrose, selenium,and B complex) but at least with the anti

> inflammatory I am reasonably mobile. Do hope you get 'sorted' as

> constant pain is very miserable.

>

> Luv Frances

>

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July 28, 2008

Hi P,

Need more T3 and less T4? But sometimes symptoms appear in reverse-

you can get tired on too high a dose instead of the boundless energy you

may expect.

Subject: Not quite sure what is happening - any

ideas folks????

Hi all,

I've noticed a gradual increase in 'arthritic' type symptoms and

today it hurts a bit to type. My hips hurt and I have to hobble

around for a while when I first stand up..

I've also noticed my energy levels decreasing despite increasing my

dose of T3 to 5mcg twice a day instead of 5mcg once a day.

I'm also taking a B complex supplement, 200mcg of Selenium, about

2000mg of Vit C some days, 1000mg of Vitamin D3, about 4 fish oil

capsules, Zinc supplements and magnesium when necessary.

Any ideas about what might be going on?

Any input is valued.

P

(aka - the sore and achy one)

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July 30, 2008

Hi frances,

Probably unconverted T4 in the joints becoming toxic. See

Http://www.drlowe.com

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any ideas folks????