Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-

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Hi

Hmm, they aren't very good are they? Looks like when you were tested

your adrenals weren't functioning very well at all, a bit of

overcompensation midnight. Also your DHEA-S confirms the

underfunction.

With results like this you should benefit from the NA and I checked

with Nutri today one can go as high as 10 daily if necessary but

taken in divided doses preferably before 2 pm.

You might well benefit from DHEA too half 25mg tablet daily is a safe

dose and then retest in 3 months.

I also think you would benefit from the extra sea salt, this will

support your adrenals too but I think it might take a little time for

you to feel better.

Don't forget there is always low dose h/c to try if you don't get the

expected benefits in the future so there is lots to be confident

about that you can feel better.

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Thanks Pam

Its all a waiting game isnt it? After 21 months on thyroxine alone I have become fed up with waiting and want to see some results NOW!! LOL

How long would you expect someone with my results to start seeing some improvements on NAE?

From: doggy532001 <doggy532001@...>Subject: Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-thyroid treatment Date: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008, 7:16 PM

>Test> > Reference Ranges (nmol/L)> > > Salivary Cortisol> > 8.00am> > 12 Noon> > 4.00pm> > Midnight> > > 12.0 to 33.0> > 10.0 to 28.0> > 6.0 to 11.8> > 1.0 to 5.0> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > 10.3*> > 9.4*> > 3.9*> > 6.8*> > > Salivary DHEA Sulphate> > 8.00am> > 12 Noon> > 4.00pm> > Midnight> > > 8.0 to 24.0> > 5.0 to 10.8> > 3.5 to

7.5> > 2.0 to 5.0> > > FEMALE> Age Range 35-44 years> Â > > 4.1*> > 2.3*> > 2.4*> > 2.8> > > DHEA-s reference range stated is age and gender relatedHi Hmm, they aren't very good are they? Looks like when you were tested your adrenals weren't functioning very well at all, a bit of overcompensation midnight. Also your DHEA-S confirms the underfunction.With results like this you should benefit from the NA and I checked with Nutri today one can go as high as 10 daily if necessary but taken in divided doses preferably before 2 pm.You might well benefit from DHEA too half 25mg tablet daily is a safe dose and then retest in 3 months.I also think you would benefit from the extra sea salt, this will support your adrenals too but I think it might take a little

time for you to feel better.Don't forget there is always low dose h/c to try if you don't get the expected benefits in the future so there is lots to be confident about that you can feel better.

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Hi sarah

It took you a long time to get ill, it can take a long time to get your body back to normal function, and you do have to be patient. If you are expecting results overnight, they will not happen, and you will make yourself even more frustrated and upset, which will, in turn, cause you more stress and put your adrenals under more pressure. I know you want it to happen quicker, but it won't, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, so take each day for what it is, another day when your adrenals are starting to heal and your thyroid funciton is starting to improve.

luv - Sheila

Thanks Pam

Its all a waiting game isnt it? After 21 months on thyroxine alone I have become fed up with waiting and want to see some results NOW!! LOL

How long would you expect someone with my results to start seeing some improvements on NAE?

From: doggy532001 <doggy532001 (DOT) co.uk>Subject: Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-thyroid treatment Date: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008, 7:16 PM

>Test> > Reference Ranges (nmol/L)> > > Salivary Cortisol> > 8.00am> > 12 Noon> > 4.00pm> > Midnight> > > 12.0 to 33.0> > 10.0 to 28.0> > 6.0 to 11.8> > 1.0 to 5.0> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > 10.3*> > 9.4*> > 3.9*> > 6.8*> > > Salivary DHEA Sulphate> > 8.00am> > 12 Noon> > 4.00pm> > Midnight> > > 8.0 to 24.0> > 5.0 to 10.8> > 3.5 to 7.5> > 2.0 to 5.0> > > FEMALE> Age Range 35-44 years> Â > > 4.1*> > 2.3*> > 2.4*> > 2.8> > > DHEA-s reference range stated is age and gender relatedHi Hmm, they aren't very good are they? Looks like when you were tested your adrenals weren't functioning very well at all, a bit of overcompensation midnight. Also your DHEA-S confirms the underfunction.With results like this you should benefit from the NA and I checked with Nutri today one can go as high as 10 daily if necessary but taken in divided doses preferably before 2 pm.You might well benefit from DHEA too half 25mg tablet daily is a safe dose and then retest in 3 months.I also think you would benefit from the extra sea salt, this will support your adrenals too but I think it might take a little time for you to feel better.Don't forget there is always low dose h/c to try if you don't get the expected benefits in the future so there is lots to be confident about that you can feel better.

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Hi Sheila

I really feel as if I am getting worse and dont know what to do or which way to turn, I feel so down and desperatley try everyday to be well. I just want to be like I used to be but I feel as if I am heading backwards instead of forward, i dont think T4 is right for me I cant remember a day when I didnt feel detached, in other world, wobbly tired and have had this funny, fuzzy head for ages. I really dont know where to go from here, its like there is no hope

From: doggy532001 <doggy532001@ .co. uk>Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008, 7:16 PM

>Test> > Reference Ranges (nmol/L)> > > Salivary Cortisol> > 8.00am> > 12 Noon> > 4.00pm> > Midnight> > > 12.0 to 33.0> > 10.0 to 28.0> > 6.0 to 11.8> > 1.0 to 5.0> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > 10.3*> > 9.4*> > 3.9*> > 6.8*> > > Salivary DHEA Sulphate> > 8.00am> > 12 Noon> > 4.00pm> > Midnight> > > 8.0 to 24.0> > 5.0 to 10.8> > 3.5 to

7.5> > 2.0 to 5.0> > > FEMALE> Age Range 35-44 years> Â > > 4.1*> > 2.3*> > 2.4*> > 2.8> > > DHEA-s reference range stated is age and gender relatedHi Hmm, they aren't very good are they? Looks like when you were tested your adrenals weren't functioning very well at all, a bit of overcompensation midnight. Also your DHEA-S confirms the underfunction.With results like this you should benefit from the NA and I checked with Nutri today one can go as high as 10 daily if necessary but taken in divided doses preferably before 2 pm.You might well benefit from DHEA too half 25mg tablet daily is a safe dose and then retest in 3 months.I also think you would benefit from the extra sea salt, this will support your adrenals too but I think it might take a little

time for you to feel better.Don't forget there is always low dose h/c to try if you don't get the expected benefits in the future so there is lots to be confident about that you can feel better.

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> Hi Sheila

> I really feel as if I am getting worse and dont know what to do or

which way to turn,  I feel so down and desperatley try everyday to

be well. I just want to be like I used to be but I feel as if I am

heading backwards instead of forward, i dont think T4 is right for me

I cant remember a day when I didnt feel detached, in other world,

wobbly tired and have had this funny, fuzzy head for ages. I really

dont know where to go from here, its like there is no hope

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Hi

I could never tolerate more than 25 mcg thyroxine. Have you thought

of a trial of h/c cos to be honest with your cortisol so low you are

going to feel aweful, I was like this and had to take h/c and within

a few days I just knew it was what I needed even though I later

switched to once daily Prednisolone with just a tiny bit of added h/c

when needed.

You can buy Cortef from www.internationalpharmacy.com but in the

meantime if you wanted to try h/c onr used to be able to buy Corlan

pellets from any pharmacy for mouth ulcers which contains 2.5mg h/c.

Though this is a tiny dose you could try one or two with breakfast

and another dose at midday and 4 pm if necessary. At least you would

know how your body is reacting to the steroid but you have to go slow

with the h/c cos there could be unused t4 in your body which might

suddenly get converted to T3 so you could feel a bit hyper. I am

not saying that this will happen its just something to look out for

if you have been taking thyroxine for a while. I was never on any

thyroid meds, I started Armour and h/c together and got on well until

a month in when I did go hyper and had to go slower.

If one's adrenals are really shot they might well need h/c to recover

if they can, for some of us the glandulars just aren't strong enough

our adrenals are just too weak.

BTW I have found that when my adrenals are really weak and need more

support my mood is extremely low and depressed, for me its always a

sign I need a bit more cortisol. Since being on enteric-coated

Prednisolone since June this year my mood has been consistently good

and balanced despite a couple of throat infections which made me ill

and would you believe after probably 28 years of needing a steroid my

GP is now prescribing it for me!

Because I probably have an HPA axis problem I have had to stay on the

steroid been on it nearly 5 years with no ill effects whatsoever,

only benefits. My dose of Armour has stayed at 2 grains plus 25mcg

thyroxine. I did come off the steroid a couple of years ago for a

few months but I ended up with 2 ian crises so I won't be

doing that again!

Hang in there and good luck

Pam

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Thanks Pam, I am a little scared of taking h/c without any medical advice as it is a steriod, if I decided to buy some cortef what sort of dose should I start with? In my desperation I bought some HC 45 cream, which contains about 1 % h/c and rubbed it on my wrists and felt absolutely nothing! No surprise there! Maybe I should just increase the NAE to 4 a day, I really feel I dont know what to do for the best, I do think though that the problem is my adrenals, by the way I have been on thyroxine for 22 months and am now on 150mcg

From: doggy532001 <doggy532001@...>Subject: Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-thyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 31 July, 2008, 8:06 PM

>> Hi Sheila> I really feel as if I am getting worse and dont know what to do or which way to turn, I feel so down and desperatley try everyday to be well. I just want to be like I used to be but I feel as if I am heading backwards instead of forward, i dont think T4 is right for me I cant remember a day when I didnt feel detached, in other world, wobbly tired and have had this funny, fuzzy head for ages. I really dont know where to go from here, its like there is no hope> > > Hi I could never tolerate more than 25 mcg thyroxine. Have you thought of a trial of h/c cos to be honest with your cortisol so low you are going to feel aweful, I was like this and had to take

h/c and within a few days I just knew it was what I needed even though I later switched to once daily Prednisolone with just a tiny bit of added h/c when needed.You can buy Cortef from www.internationalph armacy.com but in the meantime if you wanted to try h/c onr used to be able to buy Corlan pellets from any pharmacy for mouth ulcers which contains 2.5mg h/c. Though this is a tiny dose you could try one or two with breakfast and another dose at midday and 4 pm if necessary. At least you would know how your body is reacting to the steroid but you have to go slow with the h/c cos there could be unused t4 in your body which might suddenly get converted to T3 so you could feel a bit hyper. I am not saying that this will happen its just something to look out for if you have been taking thyroxine for a while. I was never on any thyroid meds, I started Armour and h/c together and got on well until

a month in when I did go hyper and had to go slower. If one's adrenals are really shot they might well need h/c to recover if they can, for some of us the glandulars just aren't strong enough our adrenals are just too weak.BTW I have found that when my adrenals are really weak and need more support my mood is extremely low and depressed, for me its always a sign I need a bit more cortisol. Since being on enteric-coated Prednisolone since June this year my mood has been consistently good and balanced despite a couple of throat infections which made me ill and would you believe after probably 28 years of needing a steroid my GP is now prescribing it for me! Because I probably have an HPA axis problem I have had to stay on the steroid been on it nearly 5 years with no ill effects whatsoever, only benefits. My dose of Armour has stayed at 2 grains plus 25mcg thyroxine. I did come off

the steroid a couple of years ago for a few months but I ended up with 2 ian crises so I won't be doing that again!Hang in there and good luckPam

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Hi

Did you stop your levothyroxine when you started your NAE because if you didn't, this is probably what is causing you to suddenly feel so bad. Whenever anybody starts to boost their adrenals they should give their adrenals as much rest as possible in order to 'heal' and them having to cope with L-thyroxine and NAE will be too much. The T4 has a half life of around 6 weeks, sometimes more, so you will not miss this for a couple of weeks if you stop. It cannot hurt to give it a try.

Have you any recent blood results to show whether you are converting or not? If the local laboratory refuses to test your Free T3 you can get this test done privately.

Can you speak with your doctor and suggest the alternative from using synthetic T4 and having a trial of Armour, or, if he is not happy with that, having a trial of T4/T3 combination therapy. You may need to see an endocrinologist to get that. What did Dr P suggest as you no doubt brought this up with him?

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

I really feel as if I am getting worse and dont know what to do or which way to turn, I feel so down and desperatley try everyday to be well. I just want to be like I used to be but I feel as if I am heading backwards instead of forward, i dont think T4 is right for me I cant remember a day when I didnt feel detached, in other world, wobbly tired and have had this funny, fuzzy head for ages. I really dont know where to go from here, its like there is no hope

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HI Sheila

No I didnt stop the thyroxine when I went on the NAE, I am wondering if I should have done but as I have been on it a month now would there be any point in doing it now?

I am going to see my doc on Monday, my recent bloods results should be in today sometime and I did have T3 done as well as T4, TSH and anti bodies, although I know I have anti bodies as I have Hashis.

I am upping the NAE to 4 today and did still start low and gradually built up, I do think the adrenals are my problem.

When I saw Dr P I didnt really feel this bad so no didnt mention it to him, I felt ok then!! Well I never feel ok but better than I do now. I am taking selenium now too.

Thanks Sheila

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>Subject: Re: Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-thyroid treatment Date: Friday, 1 August, 2008, 7:48 AM

 Hi

Did you stop your levothyroxine when you started your NAE because if you didn't, this is probably what is causing you to suddenly feel so bad. Whenever anybody starts to boost their adrenals they should give their adrenals as much rest as possible in order to 'heal' and them having to cope with L-thyroxine and NAE will be too much. The T4 has a half life of around 6 weeks, sometimes more, so you will not miss this for a couple of weeks if you stop. It cannot hurt to give it a try.

Have you any recent blood results to show whether you are converting or not? If the local laboratory refuses to test your Free T3 you can get this test done privately.

Can you speak with your doctor and suggest the alternative from using synthetic T4 and having a trial of Armour, or, if he is not happy with that, having a trial of T4/T3 combination therapy. You may need to see an endocrinologist to get that. What did Dr P suggest as you no doubt brought this up with him?

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

I really feel as if I am getting worse and dont know what to do or which way to turn, I feel so down and desperatley try everyday to be well. I just want to be like I used to be but I feel as if I am heading backwards instead of forward, i dont think T4 is right for me I cant remember a day when I didnt feel detached, in other world, wobbly tired and have had this funny, fuzzy head for ages. I really dont know where to go from here, its like there is no hope

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HI

As you are a patient of Dr Peatfield's, you should really be asking him these questions and be guided by him and, you will be in his safe hands, so you wouldn't be doing this on your own. I doubt HC cream will do anything for you. As you say, right now, you might be better increasing your NAE up to 4 and if necessary, increase even more. You have to give this a chance to work.

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Luv - Sheila

Thanks Pam, I am a little scared of taking h/c without any medical advice as it is a steriod, if I decided to buy some cortef what sort of dose should I start with? In my desperation I bought some HC 45 cream, which contains about 1 % h/c and rubbed it on my wrists and felt absolutely nothing! No surprise there! Maybe I should just increase the NAE to 4 a day, I really feel I dont know what to do for the best, I do think though that the problem is my adrenals, by the way I have been on thyroxine for 22 months and am now on 150mcg> Have you thought of a trial of h/c cos to be honest with your cortisol so low you are going to feel aweful, I was like this and had to take h/c and within a few days I just knew it was what I needed even though I later switched to once daily Prednisolone with just a tiny bit of added h/c when needed.You can buy Cortef from www.internationalph armacy.com but in the meantime if you wanted to try h/c onr used to be able to buy Corlan

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> Hi

> Thanks Pam, I am a little scared of taking h/c without any medical

advice as it is a steriod, if I decided to buy some cortef what sort

of dose should I start with? In my desperation I bought some HC 45

cream, which contains about 1 % h/c and rubbed it on my wrists and

felt absolutely nothing! No surprise there! Maybe I should just

increase the NAE to 4 a day, I really feel I dont know what to do for

the best, I do think though that the problem is my adrenals, by the

way I have been on thyroxine for 22 months and am now on 150mcg

>

>

>

Hi

A lot of people are frightened of the word steroid, not realising our

body's make steroids every day or otherwise we would be dead, the

problem being when for whatever reason it isn't make enough!

Cortisol, thyroxine, estrogen, progesterone are all steroids.

It is understandable to feel concerned and that is why its a good

idea to just take a tiny dose to start off with, 2.5mg is a tiny dose

but you are unlikely to feel anything much from it.

With regard to the Cortef you order 5mg tablets. Dr P in his book

has a schedule of how to start off with it and from memory its go low

and slow, ie 2.5mg with breakfast and if ok another 2.5mg with

lunch. If ok after a few days you can double up.

For me it was the first drug ever I wanted more of - before my body

always overreacted to drugs so this was a new feeling for me and an

indication of what I needed. Of course we are all different but

there is no getting away from it your results show you aren't

producing enough cortisol at the moment. You can take h/c along with

a glandular once you know the sort of dose of h/c you needed and it

doesn't mean you would need it for life.

I was only suggesting it because you are feeling so bad, if you think

you can hang on in there while the glandular works then that is the

alternative.

BW

Pam

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It does feel as if I am very much alone with this, I know I have seen Dr P but have no indication as to whether I can ring him or not, I dont want to be seen as pestering him, a one off appointment with him really isnt enough when I feel in such a dilema on what to do.

Sorry for not deleting messages Sheila

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>Subject: Re: Re: Can supply Nutri adrenal glandulars-thyroid treatment Date: Friday, 1 August, 2008, 8:45 AM

 HI

As you are a patient of Dr Peatfield's, you should really be asking him these questions and be guided by him and, you will be in his safe hands, so you wouldn't be doing this on your own.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Pam, I am a little scared of taking h/c without any medical advice as it is a steriod, if I decided to buy some cortef what sort of dose should I start with? In my desperation I bought some HC 45 cream, which contains about 1 % h/c and rubbed it on my wrists and felt absolutely nothing! No surprise there! Maybe I should just increase the NAE to 4 a day, I really feel I dont know what to do for the best, I do think though that the problem is my adrenals, by the way I have been on thyroxine for 22 months and am now on 150mcg> Have you thought of a trial of h/c cos to be honest with your cortisol so low you are going to feel aweful, I was like this and had to take h/c and within a few days I just knew it was what I needed even though I later switched to once daily Prednisolone with just a tiny bit of added h/c when needed.You can buy Cortef from www.internationalph armacy.com but in the

meantime if you wanted to try h/c onr used to be able to buy Corlan

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Hi

You are not alone, there are the majority of sufferers of hypothyroidism who are having to deal also with low adrenal reserve - at lease, those lucky enough to have access to the Internet, you are amongst thousands - if not tens of thousands who are having to face this problem. You do not have a 'one off' with Dr Peatfield, you are allowed up to 3 follow up telephone calls with him - so use these. His telephone number isd 01883 623 125. He is difficult to get hold of because, as you know, he is in such demand, so keep trying, or you can email him at drbarrypeatfield@...

Luv - Sheila>> It does feel as if I am very much alone with this, I know I have seen Dr P but have no indication as to whether I can ring him or not, I dont want to be seen as pestering him, a one off appointment with him really isnt enough when I feel in such a dilema on what to do. > Sorry for not deleting messages Sheila> >