Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Ken, I'm glad it worked out ok. Wbhat size band do you have? 7 cc is a huge first fil attempt for any of the bands, and I'm not surprised it caused trouble. Even with the largest 14 cc AP band, 5 cc or so is about the average first fill. As you found out, overfills are not fun. You had some extra trauma with the vomiting and overfill, so be sure to have fluids only for 24 hrs (full fluids are fine, clears not needed), and then 24 hrs of soft foods . then you can cautiously try regular foods again. You're on your way! But it is essential to go slowly with fills and creep up to a good level. You can try a tad more in a month if needd, but if you are losing you do not need more fill. Sandy r ! > > Well I went in with a feeling something was not going to go well but > in the end everything seemed to work out. > > She had a hell of a time finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc > and I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to find it again to > remove some was not so much fun. > > After a great deal of hunting, a longer needle and my trying to barf > up the water she found it and I now have 5 cc. > > I was a little dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted but > also realize with a first adjustment I have to go slow....not that I > am impatient or anything....Oh Nooooooooo hehehehe > > Everyone I have encountered with this process has been absolutely > wonderful, I am so impressed!! > > During the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 pounds so I am > down almost 50 lbs since the beginning of October when I began my > fast. > > Now stay away from wine!!! > > Ken > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What goobers! I have a VG and they gave me 6cc for my first fill and I was slammed shut immediately. My husband was given 4cc for his first and that was perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my band and it was perfect. When I questioned the 6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband received and I was told that they had just returned from a band conference where they standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. Conference or not, I'm proof that everyone is very different when it comes to fill levels. I do know some people who have gotten 6cc as a first fill and did fine, but I still think it's too aggressive too soon. JMHO. @...: kengresleyjones@...: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment Well I went in with a feeling something was not going to go well but in the end everything seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to find it again to remove some was not so much fun.After a great deal of hunting, a longer needle and my trying to barf up the water she found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted but also realize with a first adjustment I have to go slow....not that I am impatient or anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I have encountered with this process has been absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs since the beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! Ken _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Wow. I have had 2 fills and am at 3.5cc at have no restriction whatsoever. I was to have a fill last Tuesday and the senior surgeon was going to do it as the regular surgeon went away, adn at the last minute, hours beforehand, I found out he didn't want to work on anyone else's patients. I was furious. I go Tuesday to try again. At 10:01 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote: >Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What >goobers! I have a VG and they gave me 6cc for my >first fill and I was slammed shut immediately. >My husband was given 4cc for his first and that >was perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my >band and it was perfect. When I questioned the >6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband >received and I was told that they had just >returned from a band conference where they >standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. >Conference or not, I'm proof that everyone is >very different when it comes to fill levels. I >do know some people who have gotten 6cc as a >first fill and did fine, but I still think it's >too aggressive too soon. JMHO. > >To: ><mailto:%40From> \ From: ><mailto:kengresleyjones%40.caDate>kengresleyjones@...: >Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment > >Well I went in with a feeling something was not >going to go well but in the end everything >seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time >finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and >I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to >find it again to remove some was not so much >fun.After a great deal of hunting, a longer >needle and my trying to barf up the water she >found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little >dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted >but also realize with a first adjustment I have >to go slow....not that I am impatient or >anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I >have encountered with this process has been >absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During >the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 >pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs since the >beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! Ken > >__________________________________________________________ >Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. ><http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/1\ 19642556/direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 What size band do you have ? DH and I both have Vanguard's (VG). If you have a VG or Realize, you definitely don't have restriction yet, but to get decent restriction it takes 3-4 fills anyway. Be patient, it's nothing to rush into. I know many bandsters who, along with their docs, were very aggressive with fills (both in volume and frequency) and they ended up having troubles. We got obese slowly, we'll lose slowly. Good luck next week; I can understand your frustration! @...: brenda_m@...: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:57:21 -0500Subject: RE: My First Adjustment Wow. I have had 2 fills and am at 3.5cc at have no restriction whatsoever. I was to have a fill last Tuesday and the senior surgeon was going to do it as the regular surgeon went away, adn at the last minute, hours beforehand, I found out he didn't want to work on anyone else's patients. I was furious. I go Tuesday to try again.At 10:01 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote:>Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What >goobers! I have a VG and they gave me 6cc for my >first fill and I was slammed shut immediately. >My husband was given 4cc for his first and that >was perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my >band and it was perfect. When I questioned the >6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband >received and I was told that they had just >returned from a band conference where they >standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. >Conference or not, I'm proof that everyone is >very different when it comes to fill levels. I >do know some people who have gotten 6cc as a >first fill and did fine, but I still think it's >too aggressive too soon. JMHO. >>To: ><mailto:%40From> \ From: ><mailto:kengresleyjones%40.caDate>kengresleyjones@...: >Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment>>Well I went in with a feeling something was not >going to go well but in the end everything >seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time >finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and >I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to >find it again to remove some was not so much >fun.After a great deal of hunting, a longer >needle and my trying to barf up the water she >found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little >dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted >but also realize with a first adjustment I have >to go slow....not that I am impatient or >anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I >have encountered with this process has been >absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During >the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 >pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs since the >beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! Ken>>__________________________________________________________>Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®.><http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.com/\ MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I don't know the size. It is the AP band. I know I will get to restriction eventually, but it is hard. I took 27# off with the liquid diet and right after getting the band. I don't lose well normally. I've gained 5# over the last 2 months. I am doing the best I can. Will power can only take you so far. If I could've done this on will power, I wouldn't have had the surgery. How long have you been banded? Are you losing well? At 05:34 PM 11/22/2008, you wrote: >What size band do you have ? DH and I both >have Vanguard's (VG). If you have a VG or >Realize, you definitely don't have restriction >yet, but to get decent restriction it takes 3-4 >fills anyway. Be patient, it's nothing to rush >into. I know many bandsters who, along with >their docs, were very aggressive with fills >(both in volume and frequency) and they ended up >having troubles. We got obese slowly, we'll lose >slowly. Good luck next week; I can understand your frustration! > >To: ><mailto:%40From> \ From: ><mailto:brenda_m%40localnet.comDate>brenda_m@...: >Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:57:21 -0500Subject: RE: > My First Adjustment > >Wow. I have had 2 fills and am at 3.5cc at have >no restriction whatsoever. I was to have a fill >last Tuesday and the senior surgeon was going to >do it as the regular surgeon went away, adn at >the last minute, hours beforehand, I found out >he didn't want to work on anyone else's >patients. I was furious. I go Tuesday to try >again.At 10:01 AM 11/22/2008, you >wrote:>Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST >FILL???? What >goobers! I have a VG and they >gave me 6cc for my >first fill and I was slammed >shut immediately. >My husband was given 4cc for >his first and that >was perfect. They backed out >the extra 2cc in my >band and it was perfect. >When I questioned the >6cc I received versus the >4cc my husband >received and I was told that >they had just >returned from a band conference >where they >standard was changed to 6cc hence >the increase. >Conference or not, I'm proof that >everyone is >very different when it comes to >fill levels. I >do know some people who have >gotten 6cc as a >first fill and did fine, but I >still think it's >too aggressive too soon. JMHO. >>>><mailto:%40gro >ups.comFrom><mailto:%40From>@yah\ oogroups.comFrom: > ><mailto:kengresleyjones%40.caDate><mailto:kengresleyjones%40.caDate>k\ engresleyjones@...: > >Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: > My First Adjustment>>Well I >went in with a feeling something was not >going >to go well but in the end everything >seemed to >work out.She had a hell of a time >finding it >but when she did she put in 7 cc and >I was >unable to swallow any water. Trying to >find it >again to remove some was not so much >fun.After >a great deal of hunting, a longer >needle and my >trying to barf up the water she >found it and I >now have 5 cc.I was a little >dissapointed as I >wanted to be more restricted >but also realize >with a first adjustment I have >to go >slow....not that I am impatient >or >anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone >I >have encountered with this process has >been >absolutely wonderful, I am so >impressed!!During >the " healing stage " I still >managed to drop 4 >pounds so I am down almost 50 >lbs since the >beginning of October when I began >my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! >Ken>>__________________________________________________________>Get >more done, have more fun, and stay more >connected with Windows >Mobile®.><<http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.co\ m/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>>\ [Non-text >portions of this message have been >removed]>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 ..I have been banded 2 yrs and lost 80 pounds the first 14-16 months and got pregnant so have not been able to diet or get fills. Baby is coming in 2 weeks then I can get a fill and head for my goal....good news is I have only gained 11 pounds > My First Adjustment>>Well I >went in with a feeling something was not >going >to go well but in the end everything >seemed to >work out.She had a hell of a time >finding it >but when she did she put in 7 cc and >I was >unable to swallow any water. Trying to >find it >again to remove some was not so much >fun.After >a great deal of hunting, a longer >needle and my >trying to barf up the water she >found it and I >now have 5 cc.I was a little >dissapointed as I >wanted to be more restricted >but also realize >with a first adjustment I have >to go >slow....not that I am impatient >or >anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone >I >have encountered with this process has >been >absolutely wonderful, I am so >impressed!!During >the " healing stage " I still >managed to drop 4 >pounds so I am down almost 50 >lbs since the >beginning of October when I began >my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! >Ken>>__________________________________________________________>Get >more done, have more fun, and stay more >connected with Windows >Mobile®.><<http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.co\ m/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>>\ [Non-text >portions of this message have been >removed]>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 , the new Inamed AP bands hold either 10 cc or 14 cc. The smaller band needs at least 3-4 cc to even fill the tubing, but some surgeons put in some at surgery. the bottom line is that all bands needs several fills to creep up slowly on restriction. The average is 3-5 over 4-6 months or so, but some need a few more small tweaks to get to the first " good " level " . then, we will need more fill periodically to keep the band snug and functional. the first fill or 2 is never even meant to be enough. the stomach is extremely sensitive, and hates to be messed with, so we need small gradual fills to sneak up on it so it barely notices. This is critical to avoid trauma frtom overfills. The surgeons should be explaining all this to us so we know what to expect. We can safely get more fill every 4 weeks until we get to a good level. This is never wasted time, though. there is a lot for us to learn and put into place ourselves, before we get to a good fill. we need to be learning much more about good nutrition, choosing lower cal foods, reading all labels, designing food plans to meet the protein, friber, calcium, good carb, and omega 3 oil needs, getting into a good exercsie routine, starting to work well with a good therapist on the emotional eating and food issues we ALL have, and more. THEN, when we get to a good fill level with these things in place, we will start to see serious weight loss. We can't neglect any of these areas, and think the band or fills are the entire solution. This is not stressed nearly enough, and is the reason a good number of people don't do very well longterm. Banding is a process, and every step depends on the steps before being in good shape. Patience, practice, and perseverance are the keys to success. Sandy r at goal 4.9 yrs > > > >Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What > >goobers! I have a VG and they gave me 6cc for my > >first fill and I was slammed shut immediately. > >My husband was given 4cc for his first and that > >was perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my > >band and it was perfect. When I questioned the > >6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband > >received and I was told that they had just > >returned from a band conference where they > >standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. > >Conference or not, I'm proof that everyone is > >very different when it comes to fill levels. I > >do know some people who have gotten 6cc as a > >first fill and did fine, but I still think it's > >too aggressive too soon. JMHO. > > > >To: > ><mailto:% 40From>@...: > ><mailto:kengresleyjones%40.caDate>kengresleyjones@...: > >Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment > > > >Well I went in with a feeling something was not > >going to go well but in the end everything > >seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time > >finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and > >I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to > >find it again to remove some was not so much > >fun.After a great deal of hunting, a longer > >needle and my trying to barf up the water she > >found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little > >dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted > >but also realize with a first adjustment I have > >to go slow....not that I am impatient or > >anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I > >have encountered with this process has been > >absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During > >the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 > >pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs since the > >beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! Ken > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. > ><http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/>http://clk.atdmt.co m/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thanks , Yes I got 7cc but they backed it off to 5 cc and seems to be ok, I actually wish it was more restrictive but I realize things have to go slow. In less then 2 months I am down just under 50 lbs.....I did well on the fasting. Thanks thought for your comments and everyone who has done this only wants it to work.........by god lets make sure it does!!! HARUMPH!!!! Ken > > > Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What goobers! I have a VG and they gave me 6cc for my first fill and I was slammed shut immediately. My husband was given 4cc for his first and that was perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my band and it was perfect. When I questioned the 6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband received and I was told that they had just returned from a band conference where they standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. Conference or not, I'm proof that everyone is very different when it comes to fill levels. I do know some people who have gotten 6cc as a first fill and did fine, but I still think it's too aggressive too soon. JMHO. > > @...: kengresleyjones@...: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment > > > > Well I went in with a feeling something was not going to go well but in the end everything seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to find it again to remove some was not so much fun.After a great deal of hunting, a longer needle and my trying to barf up the water she found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted but also realize with a first adjustment I have to go slow....not that I am impatient or anything....Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I have encountered with this process has been absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs since the beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! Ken > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Ken, If you're losing, it doesn't matter at this point how much you are eating! If you're losing, you're clearly eating enough less to los! :-) We are never trying to eat as little as possible. We need to meet the nutrition and calorie goals to lose safely and in a way that will not return. If you're losing , you also do not need a fill. we want as little fill as we can have to still get some help from the band. We NEVER want as much fill as we can possibly tolerate - the more fill, the more risk of problems, including the very serious ones. Please ask if any of this does not make sense, or is different than you thought. Very important to understand all this, for the sake of band safety. sandy r >> > Ken! They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What goobers! I have a VG and they gave me 6cc for my first fill and I was slammed shut immediately. My husband was given 4cc for his first and that was perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my band and it was perfect. When I questioned the 6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband received and I was told that they had just returned from a band conference where they standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. Conference or not, I'm proof that > everyone is very different when it comes to fill levels. I do know some people who have gotten 6cc as a first fill and did fine, but I still think it's too aggressive too soon. JMHO. > > To: @ ...: kengresleyjones@ ...: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment> > > > Well I went in with a feeling something was not going to go well but in the end everything seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and I was unable to swallow any water. Trying to find it again to remove some was not so much fun.After a great deal of hunting, a longer needle and my trying to barf up the water she found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted but also realize with a first adjustment I have to go slow....not that I am impatient or anything.... Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I have encountered with this process has been > absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During the " healing stage " I still managed to drop 4 pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs since the beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away from wine!!! Ken > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 119642556/ direct/01/> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 119642556/ direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Ken, you're surely no idiot - after all, you chose to get banded didn't you? :-) Trust me, we ALL had a million old diet-related ideas we had to forget when we got banded. . there are many new things we have to learn with banding - and the #1 thing is that we are never trying to eat as little as possible. that didn't work anyway, in the past - we might have lost a bit, but only regained again in the end - which is why we are all here, needing banding! and sharing what we have learned... Now, we need to learn the band's needs - and these will help us keep the weight off this time. Sandy r >> > Ken! > They gave you 7cc for a FIRST FILL???? What goobers! I have a VG and > they gave me 6cc for my first fill and I was slammed shut > immediately. My husband was given 4cc for his first and that was > perfect. They backed out the extra 2cc in my band and it was perfect. > When I questioned the 6cc I received versus the 4cc my husband > received and I was told that they had just returned from a band > conference where they standard was changed to 6cc hence the increase. > Conference or not, I'm proof that > > everyone is very different when it comes to fill levels. I do know > some people who have gotten 6cc as a first fill and did fine, but I > still think it's too aggressive too soon. JMHO. > > To: > @ ...: kengresleyjones@ ...: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 > 12:33:29 +0000Subject: My First Adjustment> > > > > Well I went in with a feeling something was not going to go well but > in the end everything seemed to work out.She had a hell of a time > finding it but when she did she put in 7 cc and I was unable to > swallow any water. Trying to find it again to remove some was not so > much fun..After a great deal of hunting, a longer needle and my trying > to barf up the water she found it and I now have 5 cc.I was a little > dissapointed as I wanted to be more restricted but also realize with > a first adjustment I have to go slow....not that I am impatient or > anything.... Oh Nooooooooo heheheheEveryone I have encountered with > this process has been > > absolutely wonderful, I am so impressed!!During the " healing > stage " I still managed to drop 4 pounds so I am down almost 50 lbs > since the beginning of October when I began my fast.Now stay away > from wine!!! Ken > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ > _________ _________ _________ _> Get more done, have more fun, and > stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. > http://clk.atdmt. > com/MRT/go/ 119642556/ direct/01/> > [Non-text portions of this > message have been removed]> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows > Mobile®. > > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 119642556/ direct/01/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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