Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Gold Coin Grass that dissolves the stones from

www.sensiblehealth.com? I've been having attacks since 1985 and I still

have my gallbladder. I've only been doing the flushes for a few months.

But I did all the stuff from sensiblehealth.com (Chinese bitters, GCG,

Coptis and Curcoma) and the difference was pretty profound -- the flush I

did after taking these was pretty powerful and although I'm not taking them

now, everything is going a lot more smoothly (in fact I'm doing flush number

3 right now).

Since I don't know how your personal situation differs from mine, I just

know that making an investment to try the above for a month before your next

flush would be worth it.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " ktmcc85 " <ktmcc85@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:29 PM

Subject: gall bladder surgery iminent?

> Hello, I've been having steady pain on my right side where my gall

> bladder is located wrapping around to my back, and in my upper back

[Guest guest]

I agree with Lori. I've had a few flushes discribed in sensible.com

literature. And I have taken the Gold Coin Grass and Coptis and

Curcuma. They all work well on me. I would suggest getting the

O.K. from your family doctor or go see a doctor if complications

arise, but I have nothing but good things to say about this

alternative to surgery. I also believe a low fat diet and advice

given from a family doctor on diet can be a great starting point.

Personally, I like reading this site for alternative information

that I can't get from my doctor. Good Luck!

>

> Have you tried Gold Coin Grass that dissolves the stones from

> www.sensiblehealth.com? I've been having attacks since 1985 and I

still

> have my gallbladder. I've only been doing the flushes for a few

months.

> But I did all the stuff from sensiblehealth.com (Chinese bitters,

GCG,

> Coptis and Curcoma) and the difference was pretty profound -- the

flush I

> did after taking these was pretty powerful and although I'm not

taking them

> now, everything is going a lot more smoothly (in fact I'm doing

flush number

> 3 right now).

>

> Since I don't know how your personal situation differs from mine,

I just

> know that making an investment to try the above for a month before

your next

> flush would be worth it.

>

> Lori

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " ktmcc85 " <ktmcc85@c...>

> <gallstones >

> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:29 PM

> Subject: gall bladder surgery iminent?

>

>

> > Hello, I've been having steady pain on my right side where my

gall

> > bladder is located wrapping around to my back, and in my upper

back

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I agree too except I'm too much of a believer in healthy fats so I am

not low fat at all -- so YMMV. So far with this third flush, I'm just

getting rid of a few hundred small stones and not thousands and thousands of

them in flush one (and a couple of hundred bigger ones in flush numero

two-o) and did it quite comfortably. It just keeps getting better and

better.

Oh, and I'll go see a doctor again when I break a bone or something. I've

had wayyyy too many bad experiences.

I guess that's the joy of this group. You'll get a lot of opinions but we

all have had different experiences. But now that I think about it, what may

be someone's joy may be another's frustration. I guess the key here is

every body responds differently. I simply do better with healthy fats. For

me -- I avoid grains because they quite frankly kick my butt (and my

gallbladder too).

Lori

[Guest guest]

Dr. is very clear in her books that you should NOT flush the liver before

killing parasites.

You might want to consider zapping or parasite herbs before doing another flush.

erica

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: & Tandra McCoy<mailto:ktmcc85@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:07 AM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

What I'm concerned about, and I guess I got it from my doc, is that if I can't

remedy this soon, that my gall bladder may become infected. I have had constant

pain for 8 days now, and I've done 3 flushes with few results. I also have pain

on my left side, where my pancreas is located. I don't know how much longer I

should let this go, or how long I can take it. This is affecting my life

profoundly.

There are other things on the left side besides the pancreas. The

splenic flexure of the colon for instance. The pain may or may not be

pancreatic. While the issue of infection is real, the concept of " may become

infected " is a thin justification for treatment. Prophylactic anti-bacterials

may limit risk while you save your gallbladder. Flushing right off the bat may

not be the best approach. Softening and dissolution may be a better avenue to

start. One flush and instant relief for some, others not. Fight for your body

parts. The struggle to avoid surgery is a wrestling match with not only a

disposary medical paradigm but with ourselves (already evenly matched with no

other obstacles) as well. If you get a high fever, go to the hospital, if your

gallbladder bursts, go to the hospital, If you feel it is the right thing, go to

the hospital. If you want to try and keep the the organ (Keep in mind that the

Chinese have a meridian named after it and they don't for the brain. It may not

be as vestigial as some might think.) bathe it in chologagues (sp?), lecithin,

magnesium malate, and cold pressed oils. There are no wrong decisions. Which

ever decision you make, it will be the right one. Always, in all ways, -Dave

[Guest guest]

Tandra,

To answer specifically about your diet, I found that eggs/dairy/fat would cause

me attacks. While cleansing and trying to dissolve that stone, eat lightly,

never let yourself get too hungry but don't overeat either........... drink lots

of water and eat fruits, veggies. I found fruit smoothies filling and easy for

me to digest while I was having attacks.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dee, -should I be eating protein and if so, what? chicken?

----- Original Message -----

From: ladybug35@...

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:49 AM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

Tandra,

To answer specifically about your diet, I found that eggs/dairy/fat would

cause me attacks. While cleansing and trying to dissolve that stone, eat

lightly, never let yourself get too hungry but don't overeat either...........

drink lots of water and eat fruits, veggies. I found fruit smoothies filling and

easy for me to digest while I was having attacks.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Glad you talked to the lady from sensible health. I got a lot of good

information from her when I called her the one time I did.

You asked about your diet. What is your diet?

I think lots of vegetables, especially dark leafy greens, sulphur containing

cruciferous types especially (broccoli, kale, radish, cabbage, etc.),

fruits, healthy fats like cold pressed flax and olive oil for salads (I

won't cook with either one of them) and coconut oil for cooking, avoiding

dairy and drinking at least half your body weight in ounces of water daily,

fresh juices, etc. are part of a healthy diet. Free range chicken and some

free range eggs seem to be okay although I keep them to only a few days a

week. I read in a book my Cabot that eggs have lecithin which is

essential for liver detoxification. Just either hard boil them, soft boil

them and don't break the yolks while cooking which causes oxidation. Don't

eat them a lot, but don't get rid of them entirely either.

I personally avoid grains. They don't agree with me and even the whole

sprouted grains constipate me too easily. But apparently a number of people

here eat them with no problem I think.

Also, chew your food thoroughly (a problem I have had my entire lifetime

which may have contributed to my gallbladder problems. Not drinking enough

water and not chewing food thoroughly are two main reasons why gallstones

can develop. Low hydrochloric acid is a result of not chewing food properly

which can increase chances of gallstones.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " & Tandra McCoy " <ktmcc85@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:34 AM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

>I ordered the full meal deal from sensible health. Should be here in a

>week.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the diet info....Lately, before all of this, my diet has been not so

good. Pretty much eating anything that sounded good. About 2 years ago, I went

on a low fat, low carb diet and lost about 44 pounds in a relatively short

amount of time. I was losing 3 pounds a week. Since then, I've gained back 20.

I've heard that gallstones can be caused by rapid weight loss. Now, I'm

sticking to whole foods, chicken( no red meat) and fruits and vegetables. A

question on flushes: Is it harmful to keep flushing one right after another?

----- Original Message -----

From: Lori

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:51 AM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

Glad you talked to the lady from sensible health. I got a lot of good

information from her when I called her the one time I did.

You asked about your diet. What is your diet?

I think lots of vegetables, especially dark leafy greens, sulphur containing

cruciferous types especially (broccoli, kale, radish, cabbage, etc.),

fruits, healthy fats like cold pressed flax and olive oil for salads (I

won't cook with either one of them) and coconut oil for cooking, avoiding

dairy and drinking at least half your body weight in ounces of water daily,

fresh juices, etc. are part of a healthy diet. Free range chicken and some

free range eggs seem to be okay although I keep them to only a few days a

week. I read in a book my Cabot that eggs have lecithin which is

essential for liver detoxification. Just either hard boil them, soft boil

them and don't break the yolks while cooking which causes oxidation. Don't

eat them a lot, but don't get rid of them entirely either.

I personally avoid grains. They don't agree with me and even the whole

sprouted grains constipate me too easily. But apparently a number of people

here eat them with no problem I think.

Also, chew your food thoroughly (a problem I have had my entire lifetime

which may have contributed to my gallbladder problems. Not drinking enough

water and not chewing food thoroughly are two main reasons why gallstones

can develop. Low hydrochloric acid is a result of not chewing food properly

which can increase chances of gallstones.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " & Tandra McCoy " <ktmcc85@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:34 AM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

>I ordered the full meal deal from sensible health. Should be here in a

>week.

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[Guest guest]

I feel funny answering all these questions because all teh answers are right

here at the site. Look into the archives.

From what I understand, it's best not to do it more than once every two

weeks although one woman here did it sooner just based on intuition and it

helped her tremendously. But that was just one flush within a week of her

first one.

If you do the stuff from sensible health, it's good to give it about 3 weeks

to let them do their stuff.

I do it no earlier than once a month.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " & Tandra McCoy " <ktmcc85@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:22 PM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

> Thanks for the diet info....Lately, before all of this, my diet has been

> not so good. Pretty much eating anything that sounded good. About 2

> years ago, I went on a low fat, low carb diet and lost about 44 pounds in

> a relatively short amount of time. I was losing 3 pounds a week. Since

> then, I've gained back 20. I've heard that gallstones can be caused by

> rapid weight loss. Now, I'm sticking to whole foods, chicken( no red

> meat) and fruits and vegetables. A question on flushes: Is it harmful to

> keep flushing one right after another?

[Guest guest]

Thank you, that was wonderfully said.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

" gallstones " <gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:37 AM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: & Tandra McCoy<mailto:ktmcc85@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:07 AM

> Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

>

>

> What I'm concerned about, and I guess I got it from my doc, is that if I

> can't remedy this soon, that my gall bladder may become infected. I have

> had constant pain for 8 days now, and I've done 3 flushes with few

> results. I also have pain on my left side, where my pancreas is located.

> I don't know how much longer I should let this go, or how long I can take

> it. This is affecting my life profoundly.

>

>

> There are other things on the left side besides the pancreas. The

> splenic flexure of the colon for instance. The pain may or may not be

> pancreatic. While the issue of infection is real, the concept of " may

> become infected " is a thin justification for treatment. Prophylactic

> anti-bacterials may limit risk while you save your gallbladder. Flushing

> right off the bat may not be the best approach. Softening and dissolution

> may be a better avenue to start. One flush and instant relief for some,

> others not. Fight for your body parts. The struggle to avoid surgery is

> a wrestling match with not only a disposary medical paradigm but with

> ourselves (already evenly matched with no other obstacles) as well. If

> you get a high fever, go to the hospital, if your gallbladder bursts, go

> to the hospital, If you feel it is the right thing, go to the hospital.

> If you want to try and keep the the organ (Keep in mind that the Chinese

> have a meridian named after it and they don't for the brain. It may not

> be as vestigial as some might think.) bathe it in chologagues (sp?),

> lecithin, magnesium malate, and cold pressed oils. There are no wrong

> decisions. Which ever decision you make, it will be the right one.

> Always, in all ways, -Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

If your colon intestines are clogged then you should not be flushing

out your gallbladder/ liver as the first step before a gallbladder

liver flush should always be a parasite intestinal cleanse. a clogged

intestine or parasites would stop gallstones from entering or exiting

the intestines and lots of pain. I recommend Dr shultz intestinal

formula 1 and 2 before doing a gallbladder cleanse.

Lori wrote:

> Thank you, that was wonderfully said.

>

> Lori

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

> " gallstones " <gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:37 AM

> Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: & Tandra McCoy<mailto:ktmcc85@...>

> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:07 AM

> > Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

> >

> >

> > What I'm concerned about, and I guess I got it from my doc, is that

> if I

> > can't remedy this soon, that my gall bladder may become infected. I

> have

> > had constant pain for 8 days now, and I've done 3 flushes with few

> > results. I also have pain on my left side, where my pancreas is

> located.

> > I don't know how much longer I should let this go, or how long I can

> take

> > it. This is affecting my life profoundly.

> >

> >

> > There are other things on the left side besides the pancreas.

> The

> > splenic flexure of the colon for instance. The pain may or may not be

> > pancreatic. While the issue of infection is real, the concept of " may

> > become infected " is a thin justification for treatment. Prophylactic

> > anti-bacterials may limit risk while you save your gallbladder.

> Flushing

> > right off the bat may not be the best approach. Softening and

> dissolution

> > may be a better avenue to start. One flush and instant relief for

> some,

> > others not. Fight for your body parts. The struggle to avoid

> surgery is

> > a wrestling match with not only a disposary medical paradigm but with

> > ourselves (already evenly matched with no other obstacles) as well. If

> > you get a high fever, go to the hospital, if your gallbladder

> bursts, go

> > to the hospital, If you feel it is the right thing, go to the hospital.

> > If you want to try and keep the the organ (Keep in mind that the

> Chinese

> > have a meridian named after it and they don't for the brain. It may

> not

> > be as vestigial as some might think.) bathe it in chologagues (sp?),

> > lecithin, magnesium malate, and cold pressed oils. There are no wrong

> > decisions. Which ever decision you make, it will be the right one.

> > Always, in all ways, -Dave

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why should a parasite cleans always be a first step?

----- Original Message -----

From: Belskis<mailto:brian0017@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: gall bladder surgery iminent?

If your colon intestines are clogged then you should not be flushing

out your gallbladder/ liver as the first step before a gallbladder

liver flush should always be a parasite intestinal cleanse. a clogged

intestine or parasites would stop gallstones from entering or exiting

the intestines and lots of pain. I recommend Dr shultz intestinal

formula 1 and 2 before doing a gallbladder cleanse.