Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 The recipe I use for castor oil bath is to mix 1/2 castor oil and 1/2 olive oil. Soak for 20 minutes in a hot Epsom salt bath. Wrap up in old towels and sweat for an hour. Then wash off the oils. This is still messy and castor oil stains and can’t be washed out. I borrowed this method from a cancer protocol. It made me feel great. The drainage that my ND gave me was very helpful too and I think made have made the difference between moving the copper out of my body over just moving it around. Karima On 2/28/08 11:42 AM, " susannelr2003 " <slr@...> wrote: Karima, I took Sequel Chloressence a couple of years ago and noticed that after going to the bathroom, the toilet bowl water was blue for a couple of months. I also had a detox headache while this was going on. Always wondered what was coming out of me and theorized that it was copper - thank you for supporting my theory. According to Doctors Data hair analysis I am still very copper toxic (50 times normal) so still need to work on this. How did you use the castor oil in the bath tub? just added it to the water? I tired castor oil liver packs but always found it too messy. Another thing I am considering is low dose DMPS pills as DMPS does remove copper. ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Karima, Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you say 1/2... etc. Thanks, Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Until I signed up for this group, I had never heard of copper as a toxin. I've looked on the web but haven't found much. Does anyone knowof a website where I can learn about it? Thanks. KimBonnie <cybermail@...> wrote: Karima, Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you say 1/2... etc. Thanks, Bonnie Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Kim, Copper isn't a "toxin," the body needs it but when levels get too high then become toxic to the body because the body only needs a very small amount. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Hlavinka <kkhlavinka@...> wrote: > > Until I signed up for this group, I had never > heard of copper as a toxin. I've looked on the web > but haven't found much. Does anyone knowof a > website where I can learn about it? Thanks. > > Kim Not everyone is copper toxic. Many are copper deficient. Some people are more naturally high in copper, others through external sources such as copper pipes in the house and drinking water from those pipes, eating liver and other organ meats frequently, and overdoing copper supplements. Since most people don't eat liver and organ meats frequently, nor overdo copper supplements, being naturally high in copper plus drinking water thru copper pipes would be the most likely source of copper excess. 's Disease has high copper levels. Copper is something I've been very focused on in the last year. I have about 30 urls on copper in my Links>Nutrients area, at url below. Also my article on " Collagen " . Carol willis_protocols Articles in Files. Links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 http://www.ithyroid.com/hypot_recovery_story.htm http://www.ithyroid.com/hyperthyroidism_theory.htm http://www.ithyroid.com/copper_overload.htm I read this last night so thought you might find them interesting. -- Re: getting rid of copper Until I signed up for this group, I had never heard of copper as a toxin. I've looked on the web but haven't found much. Does anyone knowof a website where I can learn about it? Thanks. Kim .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Kim, Dr. has a lot to say about it: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient & ie=UTF- 8 & rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS212US212 & q=copper+site:drlwilson%2ecom As mentioned by others, copper is vital for life, but high levels can be troublesome. High levels can be associated with low adrenal function and estrogen dominance. I would not be surprised at all if iodine would help detox from high levels of copper stored in the tissues. Mark > Karima, > Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you say 1/2... etc. > > Thanks, > Bonnie > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I'm so confused. I just bought copper supplements because I read that you need it for your body to absorb zinc. Now I am reading it can be toxic and don't know whether to take the supplement or not. Lynn > Karima, > Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you say 1/2... etc. > > Thanks, > Bonnie > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 " lynnkrt2 " <lynnkrt2@...> wrote: > I'm so confused. I just bought copper supplements because I read > that you need it for your body to absorb zinc. Now I am reading it > can be toxic and don't know whether to take the supplement or not. > > Lynn You can test serum copper plus ceruloplasmin levels to see if you're high or low in copper. Hair analysis is also used. Would be interesting to do both and compare. The people most likely to need copper are the lifelong low energy, weak muscles, low hormones, high histamine, " sensitive " person, especially after menopause since estrogen aids copper absorption. Carol willis_protocols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 You don't need copper to absorb zinc. Supplementing zinc and deplete copper and that is why some people recommend supplementing copper if you are supplementing zinc. However, if you are high in copper, as some people are, supplementing is obviously a bad idea. Irene At 11:07 AM 2/29/2008, you wrote: I'm so confused. I just bought copper supplements because I read that you need it for your body to absorb zinc. Now I am reading it can be toxic and don't know whether to take the supplement or not. Lynn > Karima, > Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you say 1/2... etc. > > Thanks, > Bonnie > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Thanks for responses. I think I will just forget about copper for now. I only took the supplement twice anyway because it upset my stomach. Lynn > > > Karima, > > > Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on > >your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the > >towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you > >say 1/2... etc. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > >Try it now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yes you put the olive oil, castor oil mixture on your body and they step into the Epsom salt bath. Use old towels afterwards that you don’t care about because castor oil is notoriously hard to remove. I have heard that you can use alkaline substances such as baking powder or borax. But I was not successful. I use old cheap towels, use the a few times and toss them out. I have thought of going into a sauna with the mixture on me and then rinsing it off afterwards so I don’t destroy towels. This is not a procedure that people do a lot of from what I understand. Made me feel great, so I recommend it, along with the castor oil packs. I use plastic shielding for them and haven’t ruined any of my clothing yet. Karima On 2/29/08 8:48 AM, " Bonnie " <cybermail@...> wrote: Karima, Could you be more specific about the bath. Do you put the oil on your body then bathe... put it on after the bath and before the towels or in the bath... and what measurement do you use when you say 1/2... etc. Thanks, Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Copper toxicity may not be that common, I have had it all my life (only in hindsight) from copper pipes as a child, an (inappropriate for me) vegetarian diet, and then a copper IUD in the 80’s that screwed up my hormones. Took another 20 years to figure out that copper was a problem. Once my levels are down enough I may start taking small supplements of it because it is an essential nutrient for my metabolic profile. Too much in the body is what is toxic, not the mineral itself. Many elements are toxic if you overload beyond what is useful for your body, or if too much of one unbalances another. Karima On 2/29/08 4:29 PM, " lynnkrt2 " <lynnkrt2@...> wrote: Thanks for responses. I think I will just forget about copper for now. I only took the supplement twice anyway because it upset my stomach. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I got my copper serum(free copper in the blood) and ceruloplasmin(enzyme that binds copper for the body's use) checked and the ceruloplasmin was under the normal range which is indicative of wilson's disease, but my serum copper was low too which is usually not the case in wilson's. I find this odd because I eat a diet that is high in copper(lots of nuts and cocoa). I looked at those iThyroid sites that talked about copper's role on thyroid, and it suggests to take other nutrients that help metabolize copper, but it does not say what those nutrients are. greg > > Not everyone is copper toxic. Many are copper deficient. > > Some people are more naturally high in copper, others through > external sources such as copper pipes in the house and drinking > water from those pipes, eating liver and other organ meats > frequently, and overdoing copper supplements. > > Since most people don't eat liver and organ meats frequently, > nor overdo copper supplements, being naturally high in > copper plus drinking water thru copper pipes would be the most > likely source of copper excess. > > 's Disease has high copper levels. > > Copper is something I've been very focused on in the last > year. > > I have about 30 urls on copper in my Links>Nutrients > area, at url below. Also my article on " Collagen " . > > Carol > willis_protocols > Articles in Files. Links. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 " dreaminginnoother " <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote: > > I got my copper serum(free copper in the blood) and > ceruloplasmin(enzyme that binds copper for > the body's use) checked and > the ceruloplasmin was under the normal range > which is indicative of > wilson's disease, but my serum copper was > low too which is usually not > the case in wilson's. I find this odd because I eat a diet that is > high in copper(lots of nuts and cocoa). more on serum copper test, and other copper testing: http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/copper/test.html Nuts and cocoa are very modest sources of copper, and so much depends on how much is eaten. Liver is high in copper. Other foods are not even close. If someone was high in copper, then and only then would it make sense to finetune the foods in order to reduce copper levels. But if you need copper, eating liver or taking a supplement is about the only practical way to go. (My own preferred copper supp is a non-chelated version Vitamin Shoppe copper 2 mg.) > I looked at those iThyroid sites that talked > about copper's role on > thyroid, and it suggests to take other nutrients > that help metabolize > copper, but it does not say what those nutrients are. It mentions B-complex in detail. I suspect most here on the Iodine group take a B-50 complex, so that's handled. Hold what you read loosely. I could spend all day commenting on the ithyroid site on copper but I don't have time, and it's offtopic for this group. They did however cite this abstract, which tracks with my focus on perfecting copper balance in the last year: Title [The effect of copper on the metabolism of iodine, carbohydrates and proteins in rats] Author Esipenko BE; Marsakova NV Source Fiziol Zh, 36(2):35-43 1990 Mar-Apr Abstract Experiments on 156 rats maintained at ration with copper deficiency have demonstrated a decrease in the values of iodine metabolism in organs and tissues excluding the liver where a sharp increase in the concentration and content of inorganic iodine was observed. A disturbance in indices of carbohydrate and proteins metabolism in the organism of animals is marked. A direct relationship with a correlation coefficient equaling 0.87-1.00 is determined between changes in the concentration of protein-bound iodine in blood and concentration of glycogen in the liver, skeletal muscles, albumins, alpha 1-, alpha 2-globulins, urea concentration; an inverse relationship with glucose, activity of blood lipo-dehydrogenase and liver mitochondria, aldolase, concentration of pyruvic and lactic acids is established as well. It is concluded that copper deficiency can exert both a direct effect on metabolic processes (as data from literature testify) and an indirect one disturbing iodine metabolism, i. e. sharply decreasing protein-bound iodine production by the thyroid gland. Carol willis_protocols See my Links>Nutrients folder for 30 urls on copper education. > greg > > > > > > Not everyone is copper toxic. Many are copper deficient. > > > > Some people are more naturally high in copper, others through > > external sources such as copper pipes in the house and drinking > > water from those pipes, eating liver and other organ meats > > frequently, and overdoing copper supplements. > > > > Since most people don't eat liver and organ meats frequently, > > nor overdo copper supplements, being naturally high in > > copper plus drinking water thru copper pipes would be the most > > likely source of copper excess. > > > > 's Disease has high copper levels. > > > > Copper is something I've been very focused on in the last > > year. > > > > I have about 30 urls on copper in my Links>Nutrients > > area, at url below. Also my article on " Collagen " . > > > > Carol > > willis_protocols > > Articles in Files. Links. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 What is suggested on iThyroid about copper is that it affects zinc. As with all minerals such as sodium and potassium. Minerals need to be in balance. http://www.ithyroid.com/john.htm Read his experiences. They are interesting. http://www.ithyroid.com/hypert_recovery_story.htm http://www.ithyroid.com/hypot_recovery_story.htm -- Re: getting rid of copper I got my copper serum(free copper in the blood) andCeruloplasmin(enzyme that binds copper for the body's use) checked andthe ceruloplasmin was under the normal range which is indicative ofwilson's disease, but my serum copper was low too which is usually notthe case in wilson's. I find this odd because I eat a diet that ishigh in copper(lots of nuts and cocoa).I looked at those iThyroid sites that talked about copper's role onthyroid, and it suggests to take other nutrients that help metabolizecopper, but it does not say what those nutrients are.greg .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Well I do have low ceruloplasmin and low serum copper, which like I said, and the link you sent verifies, is indicative of wilson's. What is anomalous is that I also had low urine copper. This idea of not enough copper is counter to what I have read on other sites such as Dr. 's and Dr. Eck's, which describe a copper toxic person as being very much like me. And supplementing 12 mg copper or 100 mg zinc like the guy on the ithyroid site suggests seems really extreme in both directions. I have been taking multis for a while with 2 mg copper and 25 mg zinc, and I have used extra B vitamins and selenium and so on. Since my main problem seems to stem from digestion though, I can't help but wonder what kind of role candida is playing in this. I don't know if it is candida or some kind of bacteria or what that causes bloating and reflux, but I have read many times that dysbiosis usually causes mal-absorption, especially for B vitamins. So maybe my problem isn't in my direct intake of copper or zinc, but in my body's ability to utilize them correctly when necessary vitamins and minerals are mal-absorbed. Also, in general, I am wary of over supplementing with any one vitamin or mineral because the balance is so necessary and I have found in the past year or so that taking too much of one thing tends to do more harm than good. Also, the guy on the thyroid site says vitamin C can aggravate hyper symptoms. I guess this makes sense within his theory since vitamin C is a known chelator of copper. But what about all the Linus ing stuff? Also the fact that Vitamin C is supposed to be great for the adrenals and fixing adrenal exhaustion? Obviously the thyroid and the adrenals work together very closely, and the iodine protocol calls for a high supplementation of vitamin C and salt, both of which are great for the adrenals, so what's right here? greg > > > > I got my copper serum(free copper in the blood) and > > ceruloplasmin(enzyme that binds copper for > > the body's use) checked and > > the ceruloplasmin was under the normal range > > which is indicative of > > wilson's disease, but my serum copper was > > low too which is usually not > > the case in wilson's. I find this odd because I eat a diet that is > > high in copper(lots of nuts and cocoa). > > > more on serum copper test, and other copper testing: > http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/copper/test.html > > > Nuts and cocoa are very modest sources of copper, and so much > depends on how much is eaten. > > Liver is high in copper. Other foods are not even close. > > If someone was high in copper, then and only then would it make > sense to finetune the foods in order to reduce copper levels. > > But if you need copper, eating liver or taking a supplement > is about the only practical way to go. (My own preferred > copper supp is a non-chelated version Vitamin Shoppe copper 2 mg.) > > > > > I looked at those iThyroid sites that talked > > about copper's role on > > thyroid, and it suggests to take other nutrients > > that help metabolize > > copper, but it does not say what those nutrients are. > > > > It mentions B-complex in detail. I suspect most here > on the Iodine group take a B-50 complex, so that's handled. > > Hold what you read loosely. I could spend all day commenting > on the ithyroid site on copper but I don't have time, and > it's offtopic for this group. They did however cite this > abstract, which tracks with my focus on perfecting > copper balance in the last year: > > > > Title [The effect of copper on the metabolism of iodine, > carbohydrates and proteins in rats] > > Author > Esipenko BE; Marsakova NV > Source > Fiziol Zh, 36(2):35-43 1990 Mar-Apr > Abstract > Experiments on 156 rats maintained at ration with copper deficiency > have demonstrated a decrease in the values of iodine metabolism in > organs and tissues excluding the liver where a sharp increase in the > concentration and content of inorganic iodine was observed. A > disturbance in indices of carbohydrate and proteins metabolism in the > organism of animals is marked. A direct relationship with a > correlation coefficient equaling 0.87-1.00 is determined between > changes in the concentration of protein-bound iodine in blood and > concentration of glycogen in the liver, skeletal muscles, albumins, > alpha 1-, alpha 2-globulins, urea concentration; an inverse > relationship with glucose, activity of blood lipo-dehydrogenase and > liver mitochondria, aldolase, concentration of pyruvic and lactic > acids is established as well. It is concluded that copper deficiency > can exert both a direct effect on metabolic processes (as data from > literature testify) and an indirect one disturbing iodine metabolism, > i. e. sharply decreasing protein-bound iodine production by the > thyroid gland. > > > Carol > willis_protocols > See my Links>Nutrients folder for 30 urls on copper education. > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > Not everyone is copper toxic. Many are copper deficient. > > > > > > Some people are more naturally high in copper, others through > > > external sources such as copper pipes in the house and drinking > > > water from those pipes, eating liver and other organ meats > > > frequently, and overdoing copper supplements. > > > > > > Since most people don't eat liver and organ meats frequently, > > > nor overdo copper supplements, being naturally high in > > > copper plus drinking water thru copper pipes would be the most > > > likely source of copper excess. > > > > > > 's Disease has high copper levels. > > > > > > Copper is something I've been very focused on in the last > > > year. > > > > > > I have about 30 urls on copper in my Links>Nutrients > > > area, at url below. Also my article on " Collagen " . > > > > > > Carol > > > willis_protocols > > > Articles in Files. Links. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 " dreaminginnoother " <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote: > supplementing 12 mg copper or 100 mg > zinc like the guy on the ithyroid site suggests > seems really extreme in both directions. I agree they are extreme amounts, especially for women. A few men do need the high zinc 100 mg, but maybe not longterm, and they are usually the men who are already naturally already high in copper. If one had a copper deficiency, going way too high on copper is NOT the way to remedy it. Patience, a longer view, and a more judicious and otherwise skillful approach is needed. > I have been taking multis for a while with 2 mg > copper and 25 mg zinc, and I have used extra > B vitamins and selenium and so on. These are modest and sane amounts for women. > Since my main problem seems > to stem from digestion though, > I can't help but wonder what kind of role candida > is playing in this. > I don't know if it is candida or some kind > of bacteria or what that > causes bloating and reflux, but I have > read many times that dysbiosis > usually causes mal-absorption, especially > for B vitamins. So maybe my problem isn't in > my direct intake of copper or zinc, but in my body's > ability to utilize them correctly when > necessary vitamins and minerals are mal-absorbed. The symptoms you describe are entirely different issue than zinc and copper IMO. Bloating is a vague term that can mean anything from distention from unknown cause, to trapped gas in stomach, to trapped gas in the intestine, to uterine fullness, to ....?? Reflux has many causes and is a large topic in itself. Both off-topic here (you may want to see my articles addressing these subjects on my site*). > Also, in general, I am wary of over supplementing > with any one vitamin or mineral because > the balance is so necessary > and I have found in the past year or so > that taking too much of one > thing tends to do more harm than good. I agree. We also need to consider that tons of supplements (and meds) in high amounts may place a longterm cumulative stress on the kidneys, and we might have a mindfulness now toward preventing that. The > Also, the guy on the thyroid site says > vitamin C can aggravate hyper > symptoms. I guess this makes sense within > his theory since vitamin C > is a known chelator of copper. But what > about all the Linus ing > stuff? Also the fact that Vitamin C is > supposed to be great for the > adrenals and fixing adrenal exhaustion? You don't need huge amts of Vitamin C daily for adrenal support, such as used by Linus ing. Huge would be 5,000-10,000 mg. 1000-2000 mg daily is moderately high compared to 100 mg, but in my experience it's about the right amount for most people for maintenance, especially those who want adrenal nutrition. Sometimes a bit more acutely for special needs 3000-5000 mg. It's finding Your right amount, enough for the purpose, not too much, and keep an eye on potentials for long term damage of overuse. To me, this would be common sense. > Obviously the thyroid and the > adrenals work together very closely, and the > iodine protocol calls for > a high supplementation of vitamin C and salt, > both of which are great for the adrenals, > so what's right here? > > greg You raise an interesting question regarding use of extremely high amounts of any one supplement. An extreme amount of any substance tends to inject chaos into a system, or is like tapping on a mobile. Does the mobile completely lose its balance and the whole system go out of whack unless other extreme measures are taken to balance it out again, that is IF other extreme measures are even successful at bringing the mobile back into line. Sometimes things have to settle back to their default before the system gets quiet enough for you to contemplate improvements. For me, it's a matter of philosophy and systems thinking. If one part of a system going to extreme levels, and what are the effects or consequences on the rest of the system? Can the rest of the system be shored up to match the extreme, or will the whole system break down in the attempt to keep up? My preference is toward a more classical ideal of moderation, elegance, balance, proportion, and sustainability. As at a recital, I'd rather hear a simple Mozart piece played exquisitely, than a more difficult and dissonant piece played precariously and with questionable success. Nutritional programmes may come down to philosophic preferences and values, even an aesthetics of sorts. And that would of course include how one might use various amounts of iodine over the course of a lifetime. Carol Willis March 2, 2008 cbwillis9@... willis_protocols *Articles in Files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 my personal experience with respect to copper and lab tests is as follows: blood test showed normal copper levels 24 hour urine test showed normal copper levels ceruloplasmin levels were low normal hair analysis levels of copper off the charts DMPS urine challenge test (which I consider to be the most accurate) showed very high copper levels. A person can get high copper just from eating a certain combination of foods as described by Gittlemen in the book Why am I always so tired? Gittlemen also talks about passing copper onto children which I may of done because my daughter has very high copper levels. I have read that your body uses histamine to get rid of copper. Your body also needs histamine to increase stomach acidity. This could explain why I don't have any stomach acid and need to take 5 betaine hydrochloride pills with every meal. I have considered just taking histidine to get rid of copper but it has not been available here in Canada. Also, Pfeiffer focused on copper toxic individuals which a lot of autistic children are as well. ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I have to take zinc to balance the copper I get from my pipes. Excess copper unbalances and throws out the zinc. also... i wouldn't take hydrochloric acid for anything but a short term solution... 1 tbls. applecider vinegar in a glass of water with or just before meals is a better solution or a digestive enzyme with with ox bile extract or bile salts in it would do. Correcting liver congestion and pancreas stress is where to look also on this problem as the two work together in the process of digestion. Cheryl Re: getting rid of copper my personal experience with respect to copper and lab tests is as follows:blood test showed normal copper levels24 hour urine test showed normal copper levelsceruloplasmin levels were low normalhair analysis levels of copper off the chartsDMPS urine challenge test (which I consider to be the most accurate) showed very high copper levels.A person can get high copper just from eating a certain combination of foods as described by Gittlemen in the book Why am I always so tired?Gittlemen also talks about passing copper onto children which I may of done because my daughter has very high copper levels.I have read that your body uses histamine to get rid of copper. Your body also needs histamine to increase stomach acidity. This could explain why I don't have any stomach acid and need to take 5 betaine hydrochloride pills with every meal. I have considered just taking histidine to get rid of copper but it has not been available here in Canada.Also, Pfeiffer focused on copper toxic individuals which a lot of autistic children are as well.ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Karima, what is the drainage you refer to below mean? Is it a product? thanks ne > > The recipe I use for castor oil bath is to mix 1/2 castor oil and 1/2 olive > oil. Soak for 20 minutes in a hot Epsom salt bath. Wrap up in old towels and > sweat for an hour. Then wash off the oils. This is still messy and castor > oil stains and can¹t be washed out. > > I borrowed this method from a cancer protocol. It made me feel great. The > drainage that my ND gave me was very helpful too and I think made have made > the difference between moving the copper out of my body over just moving it > around. > > Karima > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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