My Intro

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Hello All,

I joined this group a few days ago and have enjoyed reading the posts.

I had gall bladder disease in my 20's, then it " went away " in my early 30's. I'm

now

60. I never had gall stones...just the pain. The pain was never associated with

high

fat meals, so it was hard to diagnose so many years ago. Neither did I fit the

" profile

of fair, fat and forty " when I was in my 20's, so it went undiagnosed for a few

years.

After I was diagnosed, the doctor put me on a prescription that had ox bile and

a

narcotic in it for the pain. Eventually I found a health food store that sold

the ox bile

alone. That helped a lot. I can't find it any more. Then yogurt made an

appearance in

the stores. That was in the early 70's. I started eating active acidophylus in

yogurt

and found lecithin. Those two things really helped. I read a lot of Adele '

books

if anyone knows who she is and started trying to follow her regime. Something

worked between the better diet, lecithin, yogurt and ox bile and I was pain free

for

years. Of course I quit taking the ox bile and lecithin after I felt better. The

diet soon

was history also.

A few years ago my doctor put me on Vioxx for arthritis. I had one gall bladder

attack

(not severe) again, immediately stopped taking Vioxx and went to the doctor

ASAP.

He told me to stop taking Vioxx, which I had already done. He did a sonogram, an

upper GI and a barium swallow. No gall stones showed up or anything else out of

the

ordinary. I know that doesn't mean a whole lot, but that's how the tests came

out.

There was more than 20 years between attacks.

I switched doctors about a month ago. He did a liver panel and my alkaline was

134

which is just a little high. The norm is 42 to 126. One reason for high

alkalines is

clogged biliary ducts. Two years ago it was normal.

I had no more pain since the Vioxx incident until about a week ago. I don't know

if it

is the power of suggestion from the high alkalines reading or if I'm developing

stones, but the pain is there sometimes.

I will go for a follow-up with the doctor in a couple of weeks, but would like

to do all I

can in the meantime. I am taking lecithin again and that helps a lot. I have

been pain

free since Saturday night. I haven't taken it regularly because I can't remember

to

take it until I have pain.

Lori, you mentioned ground flax seed. Is this the same as milled flax seed? I

just

recently purchased it in an effort to increase my essential fatty acid intake.

This was

before the gall bladder pain. I don't know how to use it. Any suggestions?

I have also started eating steel cut Irish oats for the fiber and increased my

exercise

for general purposes of better health. These were also before my latest attacks.

Thanks for allowing me to join! I'm looking forward to learning all I can.

Kathleen

On 16 Nov 2005 at 15:09, Lori wrote:

> ne, thank you. I've been increasing ground flax in my diet combined

> with ground almonds and sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds (all raw) (per

> Cabot's book) and am doing much, much better. Also, does anybody

> have an opinion on taking calcium and magnesium separate from each other so

> the calcium doesn't interfere with what the magnesium was doing? I always

> thought they were best taken together.

>

> I'm trying to avoid supplementing too much, and getting my vitamins and

> minerals from whole foods whenever possible. Right now I'm trying the

> Livatone and will give that a try for about six months. I may order the

> Beta TCP soon but need to get five spare minutes to call them to ask them

> the difference between the TCP and the Plus.

>

> Lori

>

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I'm with Dave. I went out and purchased a cheap coffee grinder and grind my

flax seeds as I use them. Keeps them from going rancid.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: My Intro

>

> Always grind it yourself. Flax will oxidize and go rancid quickly

> after the kernel is violated. Try it in your steel cut Irish oats (yum).

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Dave, my liver panel had always been within normal limits until this test. By

comparing all the previous tests to this one, my alkalines have definitely gone

up and

that's why I took notice. I do agree that what is " normal " for one person

doesn't mean

it is for the next person.

Has anyone here had a lithotrypsy done for gall stones?

I am enjoying all the info I'm getting here. Getting first hand reports are so

much

better than just surfing the web. Thank you all for sharing your experiences.

Kathleen

On 18 Nov 2005 at 21:34, Dave Shelden wrote:

> Don't put too much stock in " norms " , they are just that, and few people are

normal.

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Thanks, Lori.

Kathleen

On 19 Nov 2005 at 13:40, Lori wrote:

> Kathleen, I'm still at the beginning stages of doing the flax seed so time

> will tell.

>

> Lori

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Hi Sue. You could try the 1 drop dose with the citric and just see how you feel. Most people seem to be able to tolerate at least 1 drop. My father, who cannot take 2 drops, can take 1 drop without queasiness or diarrhea, whereas 2 drops makes him queasy.

Samala,

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I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about

MMS.

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Salty,

Your indicators for upping or lowering dosages are nausea and bowel

tolerance.

You'll KNOW!

Your sinus clearing is a common thing that is often the first to be

noticed.

Read the book as soon as you can.

Welcome.

Chuck

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the

courage to change the things I can, and the weaponry to make the

difference

On 12/6/2007 7:55:43 PM, bcnfd (bcnfd@...) wrote:

> I heard about MMS a couple of weeks ago and have received a bottle of

> MMS but am still waiting to get my hands on the e-book. For the past

> twenty years or so I have been plagued by a progressing illness that

> until 3 years ago went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed. For the past three

> years I have been battling Lyme disease using both long term

> antibiotics and then the Salt/c protocol.

>

> The reason I am writing is to introduce myself and to learn more about

> MMS and parasites/lyme. Yesterday I took my first dose a half drop

> and today I have taken a full drop so far no real change although last

> night my sinuses drained big time. These two times I activated the

> drop with apple cider vinegar as I have not made up any citric acid

> yet. I wonder if when I do should I go back to half a drop?

>

> I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about

> MMS.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Salty Sue

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Thanks Chuck,I did purchase the ebook but there was a problem downloading it and I have been dealing with Bob to get this fixed but it seems that he does not check his emails very often. cking001@... wrote: Salty, Your indicators for upping or lowering dosages are nausea and bowel tolerance. You'll KNOW! Your sinus clearing is a common thing that is often the first to be noticed. Read the book as soon as you can. Welcome. Chuck God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot

change, the courage to change the things I can, and the weaponry to make the difference On 12/6/2007 7:55:43 PM, bcnfd (bcnfd (DOT) ca) wrote: > I heard about MMS a couple of weeks ago and have received a bottle of > MMS but am still waiting to get my hands on the e-book. For the past > twenty years or so I have been plagued by a progressing illness that > until 3 years ago went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed. For the past three > years I have been battling Lyme disease using both long term > antibiotics and then the Salt/c protocol. > > The reason I am writing is to introduce myself and to learn more about > MMS and parasites/lyme. Yesterday I took my first dose a half drop > and today I have taken a full drop so far no real change although last > night my sinuses drained big time. These two times I activated the > drop

with apple cider vinegar as I have not made up any citric acid > yet. I wonder if when I do should I go back to half a drop? > > I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about > MMS. > > Thanks, > > Salty Sue ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please join Lyme Aware on facebook athttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4960726826

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....no waiting required to download the first freebie ebook. that, and

reading the website for stuff that might update stuff in the ebook is

sufficient. the 2nd ebook expands and clarifies, but all the needed info is

in the 1st.

when changing to the citric acid i'd stay with the amount of drops that was

working with the vinegar. it'll be like increasing a bit, but you're not at

the level where that should be inappropriate and get you sickish.

> [ ] My intro

>

>

> I heard about MMS a couple of weeks ago and have received a bottle of

> MMS but am still waiting to get my hands on the e-book. For the past

> twenty years or so I have been plagued by a progressing illness that

> until 3 years ago went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed. For the past three

> years I have been battling Lyme disease using both long term

> antibiotics and then the Salt/c protocol.

>

> The reason I am writing is to introduce myself and to learn more about

> MMS and parasites/lyme. Yesterday I took my first dose a half drop

> and today I have taken a full drop so far no real change although last

> night my sinuses drained big time. These two times I activated the

> drop with apple cider vinegar as I have not made up any citric acid

> yet. I wonder if when I do should I go back to half a drop?

>

> I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about

> MMS.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Salty Sue

>

> Get your free Lyme disease awareness poster by writing LymeAware@...

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Sue,

I'm sure there are several of us on here using it for lyme, me being one. One thing I can tell you is that you need to go slower than other people. Remember your dosage may have to adjust according to whether or not you are in an active stage. Drop back then and work your way back up slowly. Also, if you overdo it you are only creating more toxins for your body to deal with. Stay under the nausea/diarrhea threshold and you will feel better. If you do get nauseous or diarrhea drop back.

Hope that helps a little. Feel free to ask about anything. Everyone is really nice about helping others.

-- [ ] My intro

I heard about MMS a couple of weeks ago and have received a bottle of

MMS but am still waiting to get my hands on the e-book. For the past

twenty years or so I have been plagued by a progressing illness that

until 3 years ago went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed. For the past three

years I have been battling Lyme disease using both long term

antibiotics and then the Salt/c protocol.

The reason I am writing is to introduce myself and to learn more about

MMS and parasites/lyme. Yesterday I took my first dose a half drop

and today I have taken a full drop so far no real change although last

night my sinuses drained big time. These two times I activated the

drop with apple cider vinegar as I have not made up any citric acid

yet. I wonder if when I do should I go back to half a drop?

I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about

MMS.

Thanks,

Salty Sue

Get your free Lyme disease awareness poster by writing LymeAware@...

[Guest guest]

Thank you , Great advice! I appreciate the reminder to go slow. Have you found that it helps with insomnia? I will take my dose tonight before bed to see if it makes a difference as sleep is an issue for me right now.Thanks again,Suesusan <ssiegel5@...> wrote: Hi Sue, I'm sure

there are several of us on here using it for lyme, me being one. One thing I can tell you is that you need to go slower than other people. Remember your dosage may have to adjust according to whether or not you are in an active stage. Drop back then and work your way back up slowly. Also, if you overdo it you are only creating more toxins for your body to deal with. Stay under the nausea/diarrhea threshold and you will feel better. If you do get nauseous or diarrhea drop back. Hope that helps a little. Feel free to ask about anything. Everyone is really nice about helping others. -- [ ] My intro I heard about MMS a couple of weeks ago and have received a bottle of MMS but am still waiting to get my hands on the e-book. For the past twenty years or so I have been plagued by a progressing illness that until 3 years ago went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed. For the past three years I have been battling Lyme disease using both long term antibiotics and then the Salt/c protocol. The reason I am writing is to

introduce myself and to learn more about MMS and parasites/lyme. Yesterday I took my first dose a half drop and today I have taken a full drop so far no real change although last night my sinuses drained big time. These two times I activated the drop with apple cider vinegar as I have not made up any citric acid yet. I wonder if when I do should I go back to half a drop? I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about MMS. Thanks, Salty Sue Get your free Lyme disease awareness poster by writing LymeAwaregmail

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Hi Sue- About the insomnia, so far it hasn't helped mine. Let me know if it helps you.

-- [ ] My intro

I heard about MMS a couple of weeks ago and have received a bottle of

MMS but am still waiting to get my hands on the e-book. For the past

twenty years or so I have been plagued by a progressing illness that

until 3 years ago went undiagnosed/misdiagnosed. For the past three

years I have been battling Lyme disease using both long term

antibiotics and then the Salt/c protocol.

The reason I am writing is to introduce myself and to learn more about

MMS and parasites/lyme. Yesterday I took my first dose a half drop

and today I have taken a full drop so far no real change although last

night my sinuses drained big time. These two times I activated the

drop with apple cider vinegar as I have not made up any citric acid

yet. I wonder if when I do should I go back to half a drop?

I appreciate any comments or information you would care to share about

MMS.

Thanks,

Salty Sue

Get your free Lyme disease awareness poster by writing LymeAwaregmail