Re: elHelp Please! Lots of Pain

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Hi Norma,

Sorry about the pain. I can't recommend to you what you should do,

because that is a personnal decision. If it were me, I would go ahead

and do a flush according to the directions using Epsom Salts ASAP.

You have all the symptoms of gallstones that have been loosened and

stirred up but not removed in your last flush. This is a decision you

have to make because your health is your responsibility, but I am

giving my opinion

Vince

> Hello friends... as you may remember I did the Liver Flush last Tuesday

> and did not get any stones. Well I have not felt good since.... This

> morning I awakened with a lot of pain in both shoulder blades and

> around the rib cage.

>

> I am not sure I have gallstones but whatever this pain is around my

> shoulder blades and under my rib cage is very painful... and I don't

> want to avoid doctors if at all possible... Don't go to them unless it

> is emergency.

>

> I think a lot of *things* were stirred up and my thought it to go on

> with another liver flush, even though it has only been one week since I

> did the last one. What do you think? Any suggestions?

>

> Thanks

> Norma

[Guest guest]

Norma

I attempted my first flush last friday with no success, but sunday

evening, I began experiencing the pain I get when the stones are at

or in the cystic duct (about 1 inch from my sternum).

This pain is not as extreme as a galbladder attack, but painful

enough to keep me in bed the major part of the day. I took

acetaminophen twice yesterday, and it lessened the pain to a

tolerable discomfort. At 38 and relatively healthy other than this

gallstone issue, I have never taken over the counter pain medication

before.

I've known about the gallstones in my gallbladder for the last two

years, and I have experienced four gallbladder attacks. The pain

from the inflamation of just having the gallstones stop at the cystic

duct (no spasms) lasts two days.

Today I'm feeling better, just soreness in the abdomen. The area

near the cystic duct is still tender and sore when I feel over it.

I've learned to gauge where the two stones are just by feeling

underneath my ribcage. I'll probably eat a normal meal thursday or

friday, for now it is just an occasional smoothie.

I would also like to know if anyone has attempted a flush within a

week after a failed flush. Should I wait until the inflamation has

subsided before I try again? The reason I ask is because all of the

recommendations say to wait at least two weeks. I was also very much

dehydrated after the third dose of epsom salt (clark recipe), the

instructions don't provide for hydrating during the flush. Is it

typical to feel so dehydrated, and is it safe to continue the flush

at this point? Any of you who have experienced this, and know what

I'm not doing correctly, please reply, thanks.

juan

> Hello friends... as you may remember I did the Liver Flush last

Tuesday

> and did not get any stones. Well I have not felt good since....

This

> morning I awakened with a lot of pain in both shoulder blades and

> around the rib cage.

>

> I am not sure I have gallstones but whatever this pain is around my

> shoulder blades and under my rib cage is very painful... and I

don't

> want to avoid doctors if at all possible... Don't go to them unless

it

> is emergency.

>

> I think a lot of *things* were stirred up and my thought it to go

on

> with another liver flush, even though it has only been one week

since

I

> did the last one. What do you think? Any suggestions?

>

> Thanks

> Norma

[Guest guest]

Attempting another flush immediately is probably a good idea. Watch your

symptoms though. Norma, if I remember right you had an ultrasound that showed

inflammation but no stones. This is a very good thing. If you have undue

nausea with jaundice and fever, you could possibly have a stone stuck in the

duct. The fact that the ultrasound does not show any is again an excellent sign

but not foolproof. It is very doubtful though. I personally had never had any

liver/gallbladder symptoms until I did my third flush. No fun. I was miserable

until I followed it up 4 days later and got immediate relief as well as passing

quite a bit of detritus. You probably have just loaded your gallbladder with

more stuff in the first flush. Make sure you are getting plenty of magnesium in

during the procedure to relax the duct. The more relaxed the duct, the easier

to flush. Hang in there baby. Good lick.

----- Original Message -----

From: Norma<mailto:cndaulton@...>

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:05 AM

Subject: elHelp Please! Lots of Pain

Hello friends... as you may remember I did the Liver Flush last Tuesday

and did not get any stones. Well I have not felt good since.... This

morning I awakened with a lot of pain in both shoulder blades and

around the rib cage.

I am not sure I have gallstones but whatever this pain is around my

shoulder blades and under my rib cage is very painful... and I don't

want to avoid doctors if at all possible... Don't go to them unless it

is emergency.

I think a lot of *things* were stirred up and my thought it to go on

with another liver flush, even though it has only been one week since I

did the last one. What do you think? Any suggestions?

Thanks

Norma

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How much is " plenty of magnesium " ?

Dave Shelden wrote:

> Attempting another flush immediately is probably a good idea. Watch

> your symptoms though. Norma, if I remember right ....

> Make sure you are getting plenty of magnesium in during the procedure

> to relax the duct. The more relaxed the duct, the easier to flush.

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Hi ...

I am sorry to hear that you are experience a lot of pain... it does

appear that you know a lot about gall bladder attacks and how they

work. In my case, I have not been checked by a physician, and was

not even sure I had gall stones... but as part of Dr. 's regimen

of cleansing I felt to do the liver cleanse...

Based on the reaction and level of pain that has occured since doing

all these cleanses it does appear that I have stones.

As to how long we wait in between these liver flushes, as Dave, Vince

and others have shared with me, I believe waiting the full two weeks

is not prudent *in my case*.

Dehydration..... This occurs with any kind of fast. I have done many

fast for physcial and spiritual reasons and in each case following

the fast I have been dehyrated. How I have dealt with this is

through proper nutrition. I load my body with Raw Green veggies,

lots of water and other healthy liquids. And I immediately get back

on my supplement program that I follow on a daily basis. One

important thing I have found is to make sure I take Acidolpis and a

good probitic. When cleansing, zapping, etc. good bacteria is also

affected and needs to be replaced.

With this liver flush I did last week, I too was wiped out...

drained, and very weak... but by following the above regimen of lots

of green foods, water, supplements I bounced back quickly.

I make no recommendations to anyone as to what they should or should

not do.... each of our bodies and chemistry is different... we are

all in different phases of health... some sicker than others... And,

so you need to learn to listen to your body, study, research and

design a healthy living program that suits your body needs, life

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> Norma

> I attempted my first flush last friday with no success, but sunday

> evening, I began experiencing the pain I get when the stones are at

> or in the cystic duct (about 1 inch from my sternum).

>

> This pain is not as extreme as a galbladder attack, but painful

> enough to keep me in bed the major part of the day. I took

> acetaminophen twice yesterday, and it lessened the pain to a

> tolerable discomfort. At 38 and relatively healthy other than this

> gallstone issue, I have never taken over the counter pain

medication

> before.

>

> I've known about the gallstones in my gallbladder for the last two

> years, and I have experienced four gallbladder attacks. The pain

> from the inflamation of just having the gallstones stop at the

cystic

> duct (no spasms) lasts two days.

>

> Today I'm feeling better, just soreness in the abdomen. The area

> near the cystic duct is still tender and sore when I feel over it.

> I've learned to gauge where the two stones are just by feeling

> underneath my ribcage. I'll probably eat a normal meal thursday or

> friday, for now it is just an occasional smoothie.

>

> I would also like to know if anyone has attempted a flush within a

> week after a failed flush. Should I wait until the inflamation has

> subsided before I try again? The reason I ask is because all of

the

> recommendations say to wait at least two weeks. I was also very

much

> dehydrated after the third dose of epsom salt (clark recipe), the

> instructions don't provide for hydrating during the flush. Is it

> typical to feel so dehydrated, and is it safe to continue the flush

> at this point? Any of you who have experienced this, and know what

> I'm not doing correctly, please reply, thanks.

> juan

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There are many different cleanse protocols. The one I use uses three bottles of

magnesium citrate solution over a day and a half. Others use a similar amount

in the form of epsom salts.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:26 AM

Subject: Re: elHelp Please! Lots of Pain

How much is " plenty of magnesium " ?

Dave Shelden wrote:

> Attempting another flush immediately is probably a good idea. Watch

> your symptoms though. Norma, if I remember right ....

> Make sure you are getting plenty of magnesium in during the procedure

> to relax the duct. The more relaxed the duct, the easier to flush.

>

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