Re: just some thoughts

[Guest guest]

Here here!

C. A. , Ph.D.

The Childhood Learning Center

www.tclc.com

" Why do people behave as they do? " (BFS)

[ ] Just some thoughts

From: " J. Jaeger " <jaegs@...>

I just got back from attending a couple of days of the California ABA

conference in San Francisco. As a participant on both the ME-list and the

list I had some thoughts I wanted to share.

What we do and what works best with our children is good behaviorally-based

teaching. Applied Behavior Analysis is the common thread that seems to run

through all the successful, effective approaches we use with our children.

ABA, DTT, Natural Environment Teaching (NET), Pivotal Response Training,

Direct Instruction, DISTAR, " Lovaas therapy " , etc. are ALL behavioral in

their origins and applications.

I had the opportunity today to listen to or speak directly to Dr. Lovaas,

Dr. Sundberg, Dr. Partington, Dr. Marjorie Charlop-Christy, Dr.

Schreibman and a number of other respected professionals in the field of

ABA. Their approaches are not at odds with or exclusive of one and other

they all embrace the notion that ABA is the most successful approach to

teaching and reaching our children. Each child's program must be

continually customized to address a child's progress, strengths, weaknesses

and individual learning styles. As parents we must continue to expand our

base of knowledge and skill in the field so that we can effectively

participate in our child's program and progress.

This was the biggest gathering yet of ABA professionals in California.

More than 800 people were in attendance at this three day conference and

much of the focus was on autism and its treatment. We owe our thanks to

Dr. Lovaas who originally blazed this trail and to all the other

outstanding professionals who continue to work to refine and improve the

teaching methods that can help our kids. I felt proud to be part of that

gathering.

To all you parents and professionals out there in the trenches, keep on

keepin' on.

Joanna Jaeger

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[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone, I just wanted to say that I really think the problem is the AMA does not want to throw millions of drugs out for a simple antibiotic, look at all the money in this right down to the research and the RA doctors would have to find a new field. I am sure if the AMA could call it something else and get money for it they would change it. I really don't think they want it to work, I know there are some very careing doctors who really are compassionate, but alot don't care about our pain at all, and they won't go against the AMA anyway. This seems to be a very very slow process. It is about money and politics, also research and we are there tests. It keeps the AMA in money doesn't it. Just My point of view from Ohio

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

The drug is Clozaril. It is an incredibly dramatic drug for the 20% it works

on. It's major problem is a very serious side effect of depression of WBC.

So not only does it work on only 20% but another 5% or so can stay on it. I

think the drug is so dramatic it literally stuns you. I have seen completely

dysfunction people become

normal (whatever that is) or at least functional. There was a movie Robin

starred in that had the same concept but they were using a

Parkinsonism drug and it wasn't long lasting. Here is what I think. Even

though I think 6 months is a short time for the minocin to work the drug is

too slow and too mundane for todays quick life. I know I know Dr. Brown was

doing this in a not so quick time. I still think it is

a slow measured change. I know I mentioned to my PCP that my son was on

minocin and she said she had a patient on it. I asked how it was going and

she said " nothing happened " . I asked how long the patient was on it and she

said 3-6 months. The patient got off for are your ready fear of tolerance to

an antibiotic. I said to her Dr._________what do you prescribed for severe

acne? She of course told me tetracycline. I said how long is the average

patient on it. Answer 1-2 years

then I allowed silence to build up the spaces. The message was clear.

Clozaril stuns it is the hare minocycline is the turtle slow and measured.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Tina, reading your post, I felt like you were writing about me, but instead

you were writing about you. I'm pretty sure I'm estrogen dominant which may

be related to my sluggish liver. However, in the past any progesterone

cream (I only used natural) after used over time would turn me literally

psychotic. I almost lost a wonderful relationship because of it and

thankfully realized it was the progesterone and got off of it and my moods

stabilized (they have stabilized even more since starting the flushes). I

was wondering about your experience with progesterone.

Lori

[Guest guest]

I use very little and only for a few weeks. When I used too much I

had a overgrowth of the uterine linning that was about 5 or so years

ago.

But that was probably too soon to use it. Now at 47 I use it for the

two week prior, but still very little.

I am trying to get rid of the cysts in the breasts and that is

suppose to help? It seems too.

I also use iodine for this. Do a search on iodine and breast cancer.

There is a lot to read on this.

This time of our life is very dicey going into menopause it's the

highest rate of breast cancer and I have way too many friends that

have it.

I also have the middle weight gain which is so common with estrogen

dominance. While the rest of me is thin. You see so many woman with

this.

What hurts now is having not only joint pain but GB pain--ugggg!!!!!

PS. my daughter is hypopitutary and when they used only progesterone

she too went nuts. Must be balanced with testosterone, estrogen.

Only way to know for sure is correct hormonal testing.

it's worth the costs if you can do it---

tina

--- In gallstones , " Lori " <skydanse@q...>

wrote:

>

> Tina, reading your post, I felt like you were writing about me,

but instead

> you were writing about you. I'm pretty sure I'm estrogen dominant

which may

> be related to my sluggish liver. However, in the past any

progesterone

> cream (I only used natural) after used over time would turn me

literally

> psychotic. I almost lost a wonderful relationship because of it

and

> thankfully realized it was the progesterone and got off of it and

my moods

> stabilized (they have stabilized even more since starting the

flushes). I

> was wondering about your experience with progesterone.

>

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

http://diagnosis.4t.com/index.html

one woman's journey with hypothyroid-just a fyi--

the problem is finding a doctor that knows how to read the results---

and there is specific timing due to your period---

Not many doctors know a thing about hormomes!!!!!!!!!!

I'll try and find info for you---tina

--- In gallstones , " Lori " <skydanse@q...>

wrote:

>

> Tina, can my naturopath do the correct testing? Is there anything

specific

> I should ask for? The one test I had was showing that I was

bottoming out

> on progesterone and extremely high on estrogen. The hypopituitary

is

> something I was totally unaware of. It makes me wonder.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

>>>Not many doctors know a thing about hormomes!!!!!!!!!! <<<

Hi Tina and Lori,

I've been 'listening in' on your conversations and couldn't agree more with

the statement above from personal experience and feeling like I kept hitting a

wall with mainstream docs on the topic of hormones. LOL However, this past

year, I found a holistic MD, about an hour from home, who does salivary and

blood testing for hormone levels. When I got the salivary testing done (which is

given to you as a pack to do at home on a given day), 10 days after mailing it

to the lab, I received a lab report outlining all the hormonal imbalances in

relation to my symptoms in an easy to understand format. The great part about

finding this doc is that he is qualified to prescribe and dispense

bio-identical hormones, which are plant-based and identical to the human body,

unlike the

synthetic ones you get from regular docs that cause nasty side-effects. These

are also pharmacy compounded to suit individual needs, based on your test

results.

Something new that is occurring here in the US is that the FDA is now

clamping down on internet companies and anyone selling or prescribing OTC

hormone

therapies without medical qualifications. So, important to see a MD for this.

This, the FDA states, is largely due to the fact that claims being made by

suppliers of plant-based hormones (ie. preventing osteoporosis, heart disease,

etc)

have not been verified by scientific trials and so they are considered

erroneous and dangerous advertising. Nor is it ever likely to have scientific

trials

done on bio-identical hormones by drug companies, because medicines/remedies

found in nature can't be patented (so aren't profitable). This is something to

watch, for anyone using OTC hormone treatments, as it looks like these are

going to be regulated or even withdrawn in the very near future.

The other thing I learned from my holistic MD is that there are 3 types of

estrogen, all with different functions - estrone, estradiol and estriol. I'm not

all that knowledgeable about the three and their functions, but understand

that estrone is the one that causes fat deposits around the belly and thigh

areas in mid-life, as estradiol and estriol levels decline. This is why you can

still be estrogen dominant, but low on estradiol and estriol, lack of which can

cause all the perimenopausal symptoms, like night sweats, hot flashes,

migraines, palpitations, etc. So, while my holistic MD started me off slowly

with

progesterone, he then later added a small dose of bi-estrogren (estradiol and

estrone) in capsule form. What he explained is that although I'm estrogen

dominant, all the hormones have a synergistic effect and must be in proper ratio

to

one another. By self-medicating and just using OTC progesterone cream alone, a

few years back, I was just making myself feel worse, because the delicate

balance was disturbed causing increased symptoms, just as I think Tina

described.

I also understand that lowest dose possible is best...and never to use

estrogen in any form without progesterone to balance it. Estrogen replacement

also

apparently has the effect of lowering bad cholesterol and blood pressure. The

holistic doc also prescribed a product called DIM, which is made from

concentrated cruciferous vegetables (like broccoli) and this reduces all the

effects of

" bad " estrogen-causing cancer.

Anyhoo, I hope this doesn't sound too off-topic and I'm in no way an expert

on the subject...just wending my own way through this maze of mid-life and

learning as I go. However, for the women of the group, estrogen dominance in

mid-life is a recognized medical cause of gall stones. So, perhaps important, if

suffering from them, to consider this aspect of our health and uncover some of

the mystery around it for ourselves, because mainstream docs rarely look at

the holistic (whole) picture and we're all so unique during this " right of

passage " and really should be treated as such.

Hope sharing my journey might help someone else.

Peace, n

[Guest guest]

you are very welcome!!!

>

> Tina, thank you for all the good information. I will be reading

everything

> while I have a little bit of spare time.

>

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

Yes--wonderful post!!!!!

My daughter is seeing Dr. Kent Holtorf and he does this same thing

for her (she is hypopituitary) and I know I should go see him myself.

http://www.fibroandfatigue.com/testimonials_holtorf.htm

meant to post this site yesterday--these clinics are all over if you

do a search on them.

I have the flu so I am kind of out of it---of course researching

ways to get over this asap!!!! First time I have had this in at

least 10 years---oh well

>

> >>>Not many doctors know a thing about hormomes!!!!!!!!!! <<<

>

> Hi Tina and Lori,

>

> I've been 'listening in' on your conversations and couldn't agree

more with

> the statement above from personal experience and feeling like I

kept hitting a

> wall with mainstream docs on the topic of hormones. LOL However,

this past

> year, I found a holistic MD, about an hour from home, who does

salivary and

> blood testing for hormone levels. When I got the salivary testing

done (which is

> given to you as a pack to do at home on a given day), 10 days

after mailing it

> to the lab, I received a lab report outlining all the hormonal

imbalances in

> relation to my symptoms in an easy to understand format. The great

part about

> finding this doc is that he is qualified to prescribe and dispense

> bio-identical hormones, which are plant-based and identical to the

human body, unlike the

> synthetic ones you get from regular docs that cause nasty side-

effects. These

> are also pharmacy compounded to suit individual needs, based on

your test

> results.

>

> Something new that is occurring here in the US is that the FDA is

now

> clamping down on internet companies and anyone selling or

prescribing OTC hormone

> therapies without medical qualifications. So, important to see a

MD for this.

> This, the FDA states, is largely due to the fact that claims being

made by

> suppliers of plant-based hormones (ie. preventing osteoporosis,

heart disease, etc)

> have not been verified by scientific trials and so they are

considered

> erroneous and dangerous advertising. Nor is it ever likely to have

scientific trials

> done on bio-identical hormones by drug companies, because

medicines/remedies

> found in nature can't be patented (so aren't profitable). This is

something to

> watch, for anyone using OTC hormone treatments, as it looks like

these are

> going to be regulated or even withdrawn in the very near future.

>

> The other thing I learned from my holistic MD is that there are 3

types of

> estrogen, all with different functions - estrone, estradiol and

estriol. I'm not

> all that knowledgeable about the three and their functions, but

understand

> that estrone is the one that causes fat deposits around the belly

and thigh

> areas in mid-life, as estradiol and estriol levels decline. This

is why you can

> still be estrogen dominant, but low on estradiol and estriol, lack

of which can

> cause all the perimenopausal symptoms, like night sweats, hot

flashes,

> migraines, palpitations, etc. So, while my holistic MD started me

off slowly with

> progesterone, he then later added a small dose of bi-estrogren

(estradiol and

> estrone) in capsule form. What he explained is that although I'm

estrogen

> dominant, all the hormones have a synergistic effect and must be

in proper ratio to

> one another. By self-medicating and just using OTC progesterone

cream alone, a

> few years back, I was just making myself feel worse, because the

delicate

> balance was disturbed causing increased symptoms, just as I think

Tina described.

> I also understand that lowest dose possible is best...and never to

use

> estrogen in any form without progesterone to balance it. Estrogen

replacement also

> apparently has the effect of lowering bad cholesterol and blood

pressure. The

> holistic doc also prescribed a product called DIM, which is made

from

> concentrated cruciferous vegetables (like broccoli) and this

reduces all the effects of

> " bad " estrogen-causing cancer.

>

> Anyhoo, I hope this doesn't sound too off-topic and I'm in no way

an expert

> on the subject...just wending my own way through this maze of mid-

life and

> learning as I go. However, for the women of the group, estrogen

dominance in

> mid-life is a recognized medical cause of gall stones. So, perhaps

important, if

> suffering from them, to consider this aspect of our health and

uncover some of

> the mystery around it for ourselves, because mainstream docs

rarely look at

> the holistic (whole) picture and we're all so unique during

this " right of

> passage " and really should be treated as such.

>

> Hope sharing my journey might help someone else.

>

> Peace, n

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.fibroandfatigue.com/fighting_fatigue_bio-

identical_hormone_therapy.htm

> >

> > >>>Not many doctors know a thing about hormomes!!!!!!!!!! <<<

> >

> > Hi Tina and Lori,

> >

> > I've been 'listening in' on your conversations and couldn't

agree

> more with

> > the statement above from personal experience and feeling like I

> kept hitting a

> > wall with mainstream docs on the topic of hormones. LOL

However,

> this past

> > year, I found a holistic MD, about an hour from home, who does

> salivary and

> > blood testing for hormone levels. When I got the salivary

testing

> done (which is

> > given to you as a pack to do at home on a given day), 10 days

> after mailing it

> > to the lab, I received a lab report outlining all the hormonal

> imbalances in

> > relation to my symptoms in an easy to understand format. The

great

> part about

> > finding this doc is that he is qualified to prescribe and

dispense

> > bio-identical hormones, which are plant-based and identical to

the

> human body, unlike the

> > synthetic ones you get from regular docs that cause nasty side-

> effects. These

> > are also pharmacy compounded to suit individual needs, based on

> your test

> > results.

> >

> > Something new that is occurring here in the US is that the FDA

is

> now

> > clamping down on internet companies and anyone selling or

> prescribing OTC hormone

> > therapies without medical qualifications. So, important to see a

> MD for this.

> > This, the FDA states, is largely due to the fact that claims

being

> made by

> > suppliers of plant-based hormones (ie. preventing osteoporosis,

> heart disease, etc)

> > have not been verified by scientific trials and so they are

> considered

> > erroneous and dangerous advertising. Nor is it ever likely to

have

> scientific trials

> > done on bio-identical hormones by drug companies, because

> medicines/remedies

> > found in nature can't be patented (so aren't profitable). This

is

> something to

> > watch, for anyone using OTC hormone treatments, as it looks like

> these are

> > going to be regulated or even withdrawn in the very near future.

> >

> > The other thing I learned from my holistic MD is that there are

3

> types of

> > estrogen, all with different functions - estrone, estradiol and

> estriol. I'm not

> > all that knowledgeable about the three and their functions, but

> understand

> > that estrone is the one that causes fat deposits around the

belly

> and thigh

> > areas in mid-life, as estradiol and estriol levels decline. This

> is why you can

> > still be estrogen dominant, but low on estradiol and estriol,

lack

> of which can

> > cause all the perimenopausal symptoms, like night sweats, hot

> flashes,

> > migraines, palpitations, etc. So, while my holistic MD started

me

> off slowly with

> > progesterone, he then later added a small dose of bi-estrogren

> (estradiol and

> > estrone) in capsule form. What he explained is that although I'm

> estrogen

> > dominant, all the hormones have a synergistic effect and must be

> in proper ratio to

> > one another. By self-medicating and just using OTC progesterone

> cream alone, a

> > few years back, I was just making myself feel worse, because the

> delicate

> > balance was disturbed causing increased symptoms, just as I

think

> Tina described.

> > I also understand that lowest dose possible is best...and never

to

> use

> > estrogen in any form without progesterone to balance it.

Estrogen

> replacement also

> > apparently has the effect of lowering bad cholesterol and blood

> pressure. The

> > holistic doc also prescribed a product called DIM, which is made

> from

> > concentrated cruciferous vegetables (like broccoli) and this

> reduces all the effects of

> > " bad " estrogen-causing cancer.

> >

> > Anyhoo, I hope this doesn't sound too off-topic and I'm in no

way

> an expert

> > on the subject...just wending my own way through this maze of

mid-

> life and

> > learning as I go. However, for the women of the group, estrogen

> dominance in

> > mid-life is a recognized medical cause of gall stones. So,

perhaps

> important, if

> > suffering from them, to consider this aspect of our health and

> uncover some of

> > the mystery around it for ourselves, because mainstream docs

> rarely look at

> > the holistic (whole) picture and we're all so unique during

> this " right of

> > passage " and really should be treated as such.

> >

> > Hope sharing my journey might help someone else.

> >

> > Peace, n

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes thanks for the info -I was up north the month of Nov. and came

home with chest cold (taking care of twins with no sleep) took me 3

weeks to get over that and I do a ton of C--soup ect. and no

antibotics--one week I am out of the house and picked this up (and I

hardly get sick) but it's been since Sunday and I am now over the

worst of it (just the conjestion which is still pretty bad) but the

flu is weird it came on so fast I felt like I was great one minute

and drowning the next all around my vocal cords.

very slight temp. some achy pains--

I thought I was relapsing from the bronchitis- but in reality I

picked up the flu.

Most likely I was not totally strong enough to go out so soon. So a

double whammy for me I must be so careful not to get worse. Or I

will have to go the antibotic route but so far I think I can avoid

it.

But I am now sick for a month--boy I got kicked--lots of fruit and

veggies.

oh and I agree totally with juicing best book " Juicing for Life " I

did this 20 years ago and I should be doing it everyday!!!!!!!!

If I did I bet I would not have gallstones---ugggggg

> > >

> > > >>>Not many doctors know a thing about hormomes!!!!!!!!!! <<<

> > >

> > > Hi Tina and Lori,

> > >

> > > I've been 'listening in' on your conversations and couldn't

agree

> > more with

> > > the statement above from personal experience and feeling like I

> > kept hitting a

> > > wall with mainstream docs on the topic of hormones. LOL

However,

> > this past

> > > year, I found a holistic MD, about an hour from home, who does

> > salivary and

> > > blood testing for hormone levels. When I got the salivary

testing

> > done (which is

> > > given to you as a pack to do at home on a given day), 10 days

> > after mailing it

> > > to the lab, I received a lab report outlining all the hormonal

> > imbalances in

> > > relation to my symptoms in an easy to understand format. The

great

> > part about

> > > finding this doc is that he is qualified to prescribe and

dispense

> > > bio-identical hormones, which are plant-based and identical to

the

> > human body, unlike the

> > > synthetic ones you get from regular docs that cause nasty side-

> > effects. These

> > > are also pharmacy compounded to suit individual needs, based on

> > your test

> > > results.

> > >

> > > Something new that is occurring here in the US is that the FDA

is

> > now

> > > clamping down on internet companies and anyone selling or

> > prescribing OTC hormone

> > > therapies without medical qualifications. So, important to see

a

> > MD for this.

> > > This, the FDA states, is largely due to the fact that claims

being

> > made by

> > > suppliers of plant-based hormones (ie. preventing osteoporosis,

> > heart disease, etc)

> > > have not been verified by scientific trials and so they are

> > considered

> > > erroneous and dangerous advertising. Nor is it ever likely to

have

> > scientific trials

> > > done on bio-identical hormones by drug companies, because

> > medicines/remedies

> > > found in nature can't be patented (so aren't profitable). This

is

> > something to

> > > watch, for anyone using OTC hormone treatments, as it looks

like

> > these are

> > > going to be regulated or even withdrawn in the very near

future.

> > >

> > > The other thing I learned from my holistic MD is that there

are 3

> > types of

> > > estrogen, all with different functions - estrone, estradiol and

> > estriol. I'm not

> > > all that knowledgeable about the three and their functions, but

> > understand

> > > that estrone is the one that causes fat deposits around the

belly

> > and thigh

> > > areas in mid-life, as estradiol and estriol levels decline.

This

> > is why you can

> > > still be estrogen dominant, but low on estradiol and estriol,

lack

> > of which can

> > > cause all the perimenopausal symptoms, like night sweats, hot

> > flashes,

> > > migraines, palpitations, etc. So, while my holistic MD started

me

> > off slowly with

> > > progesterone, he then later added a small dose of bi-estrogren

> > (estradiol and

> > > estrone) in capsule form. What he explained is that although

I'm

> > estrogen

> > > dominant, all the hormones have a synergistic effect and must

be

> > in proper ratio to

> > > one another. By self-medicating and just using OTC progesterone

> > cream alone, a

> > > few years back, I was just making myself feel worse, because

the

> > delicate

> > > balance was disturbed causing increased symptoms, just as I

think

> > Tina described.

> > > I also understand that lowest dose possible is best...and

never to

> > use

> > > estrogen in any form without progesterone to balance it.

Estrogen

> > replacement also

> > > apparently has the effect of lowering bad cholesterol and blood

> > pressure. The

> > > holistic doc also prescribed a product called DIM, which is

made

> > from

> > > concentrated cruciferous vegetables (like broccoli) and this

> > reduces all the effects of

> > > " bad " estrogen-causing cancer.

> > >

> > > Anyhoo, I hope this doesn't sound too off-topic and I'm in no

way

> > an expert

> > > on the subject...just wending my own way through this maze of

mid-

> > life and

> > > learning as I go. However, for the women of the group, estrogen

> > dominance in

> > > mid-life is a recognized medical cause of gall stones. So,

perhaps

> > important, if

> > > suffering from them, to consider this aspect of our health and

> > uncover some of

> > > the mystery around it for ourselves, because mainstream docs

> > rarely look at

> > > the holistic (whole) picture and we're all so unique during

> > this " right of

> > > passage " and really should be treated as such.

> > >

> > > Hope sharing my journey might help someone else.

> > >

> > > Peace, n

> > >

> > >

> > >