Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 That certainly must pack a wallup, that is the same MG as Milk of Magnesia. I think it should be alright. I stopped everything except my TH for 2 days before the test just to be safe. --- Abbe <abbe_online@...> wrote: > A supplement I am taking to address digestive issues > contains 2,740 mg of magnesium (ozinated). This is > considerably more than the 1200 mg I believe is > recommended when using Iodoral. So, I am thinking > that while I use this product I should not take any > other magnesium supplements (other than what is in the > Celtic Seal Salt). > > For the record I am not taking *anything* within 4 > hours of Iodoral. > > What do you think about adding or not to the 2,740 mg > of magnesium? > > > Abbe > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 LOL, well, I needed a wallup and yes it certainly does. I am doing everything I can to be able to use Iodoral as suggested. Abbe --- <kennio@...> wrote: > That certainly must pack a wallup, that is the same > MG as Milk of Magnesia. I > think it should be alright. I stopped everything > except my TH for 2 days > before the test just to be safe. > > --- Abbe <abbe_online@...> wrote: > > > A supplement I am taking to address digestive > issues > > contains 2,740 mg of magnesium (ozinated). This > is > > considerably more than the 1200 mg I believe is > > recommended when using Iodoral. So, I am thinking > > that while I use this product I should not take > any > > other magnesium supplements (other than what is in > the > > Celtic Seal Salt). > > > > For the record I am not taking *anything* within 4 > > hours of Iodoral. > > > > What do you think about adding or not to the 2,740 > mg > > of magnesium? > > > > > > Abbe > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Magnesium Oxide (MgO) is not really designed to be a source of bio-available (available for the body to use) dietary magnesium. It is however more bio-available for the body under the following three conditions: 1. The quantity ingested must be so low, say 25 to 50 mg or so that it has little or no effect on stomach pH, allowing for a complete conversion into a magnesium salt of the stomach acids. This is why magnesium citrate is more readily absorbed. The citrate salt is similar to the type of magnesium salt that can be formed by small quantities of MgO in the stomach. Since MgO is basic it will, if taken in quantities of 500 mg or so, have an antacid effect which will not allow the conversion to the salt to proceed. If the product has a generous excess of oxygen it is even less likely that there can be much, if any, conversion to any form of organic salt. This should be the case even under the most acidic of conditions found in the gastro-intestinal tract until all of the mono-atomic oxygen has dissipated. 2. Magnesium oxide taken in fairly low quantities, under 300 mg, and taken with large quantities of niacin in the form of nicotinic acid, and with amino acids, especially L-Carnitine, can become bio-available. The niacin, together with the amino acids, through a rather complex enzyme assisted series, results in a reaction that can enhance the bioavailability of many minerals, including magnesium. This combination can even help carry the minerals across the blood-brain barrier. Here again, with the excess oxygen, it is questionable whether or not such a conversion could actually take place. This means very little if any magnesium would be absorbed by the body. Vitamin D may also increase the absorption rate of MgO. 3. Magnesium oxide taken with a large meal can result in hundreds of reactions with some of them creating magnesium salts, some of which could possibly be absorbed by the body. Even then, most is not truly bio-available. It usually ends up in the urine making MgO a potential treatment for kidney stones. MgO, even when taken with food showed no meaningful change because the kidneys filter MgO out of the plasma. The true test for bioavailability is a blood test measuring erythrocyte Mg concentration not plasma concentration. Loretta A supplement I am taking to address digestive issues contains 2,740 mg of magnesium (ozinated). This is considerably more than the 1200 mg I believe is recommended when using Iodoral. So, I am thinking that while I use this product I should not take any other magnesium supplements (other than what is in the Celtic Seal Salt). For the record I am not taking *anything* within 4 hours of Iodoral. What do you think about adding or not to the 2,740 mg of magnesium? Abbe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Loretta, I have a product touted for oxygen therapy called Homozon. It is a compound chiefly MgO and beneficial gases. Bound by a proprietary process and released by catalysts. The directions are to take 1/4 to several teaspoons stirred into 6-8 oz. of pure water and swallow. Follow with sufficient lemon juice diluted in water (1/4 to 1/2 a lemon) to dissolve the powder, setting free the beneficial gases for action. If a person, on an empty stomach, took 1/4 tsp. of this, which is roughly 330 mg, and followed with juice from half a lemon, do you think the magnesium would convert to an organic salt? Lynn > Magnesium Oxide (MgO) is not really designed to be a source of bio-available > (available for the body to use) dietary magnesium. It is however more > bio-available for the body under the following three conditions: > > 1. The quantity ingested must be so low, say 25 to 50 mg or so that it has > little or no effect on stomach pH, allowing for a complete conversion into a > magnesium salt of the stomach acids. This is why magnesium citrate is more > readily absorbed. The citrate salt is similar to the type of magnesium salt > that can be formed by small quantities of MgO in the stomach. Since MgO is > basic it will, if taken in quantities of 500 mg or so, have an antacid > effect which will not allow the conversion to the salt to proceed. If the > product has a generous excess of oxygen it is even less likely that there > can be much, if any, conversion to any form of organic salt. This should be > the case even under the most acidic of conditions found in the > gastro-intestinal tract until all of the mono-atomic oxygen has dissipated. > > 2. Magnesium oxide taken in fairly low quantities, under 300 mg, and taken > with large quantities of niacin in the form of nicotinic acid, and with > amino acids, especially L-Carnitine, can become bio-available. The niacin, > together with the amino acids, through a rather complex enzyme assisted > series, results in a reaction that can enhance the bioavailability of many > minerals, including magnesium. This combination can even help carry the > minerals across the blood-brain barrier. Here again, with the excess oxygen, > it is questionable whether or not such a conversion could actually take > place. This means very little if any magnesium would be absorbed by the > body. Vitamin D may also increase the absorption rate of MgO. > > 3. Magnesium oxide taken with a large meal can result in hundreds of > reactions with some of them creating magnesium salts, some of which could > possibly be absorbed by the body. Even then, most is not truly > bio-available. It usually ends up in the urine making MgO a potential > treatment for kidney stones. MgO, even when taken with food showed no > meaningful change because the kidneys filter MgO out of the plasma. The true > test for bioavailability is a blood test measuring erythrocyte Mg > concentration not plasma concentration. > > > Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Most of the " effective " ozonated magnesium products on the market today are based on the principles of Homozon, which is considered the granddaddy of ozonated digestive tract cleanses. I say " effective " because there are some on the market that release little to no oxygen at all and also contain antioxidants which should not ever be included in an oxygen-releasing product. We used to use Homozon but always had a difficult time in getting the product in a timely manner and too many clients complained about the taste and therefore were not always compliant with the cleansing part of their program. I do not believe that you are getting much benefit at all from the magnesium oxide because of the oxygen release, of which Homozon does an excellent job. The lemon juice is recommended because most people after the ages of 30-35 have low HCL levels and the magnesium oxide needs an acidic environment in order to release oxygen. We have seen people take up to 12-15 capsules with no results, but once HCL, which acts as a catalyst, is raised results begin almost immediately. Loretta Loretta, I have a product touted for oxygen therapy called Homozon. It is a compound chiefly MgO and beneficial gases. Bound by a proprietary process and released by catalysts. The directions are to take 1/4 to several teaspoons stirred into 6-8 oz. of pure water and swallow. Follow with sufficient lemon juice diluted in water (1/4 to 1/2 a lemon) to dissolve the powder, setting free the beneficial gases for action. If a person, on an empty stomach, took 1/4 tsp. of this, which is roughly 330 mg, and followed with juice from half a lemon, do you think the magnesium would convert to an organic salt? Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 You appear to be saying that what I am taking does not have nutritional value, except under the conditions you describe. Is that it? I am not taking the product for nutrition. I am taking it to address digestive problems so that I can take Iodoral and so far it's working. My question was whether I should continue to take other magnesium supplements. I generally take magnesium citrate. From my understanding of what you write here, *I guess* the answer is yes I should continue with magnesium citrate, but I am really not sure that is what you mean. Abbe --- " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier@...> wrote: > Magnesium Oxide (MgO) is not really designed to be a > source of bio-available > (available for the body to use) dietary magnesium. > It is however more > bio-available for the body under the following three > conditions: > > 1. The quantity ingested must be so low, say 25 to > 50 mg or so that it has > little or no effect on stomach pH, allowing for a > complete conversion into a > magnesium salt of the stomach acids. This is why > magnesium citrate is more > readily absorbed. The citrate salt is similar to the > type of magnesium salt > that can be formed by small quantities of MgO in the > stomach. Since MgO is > basic it will, if taken in quantities of 500 mg or > so, have an antacid > effect which will not allow the conversion to the > salt to proceed. If the > product has a generous excess of oxygen it is even > less likely that there > can be much, if any, conversion to any form of > organic salt. This should be > the case even under the most acidic of conditions > found in the > gastro-intestinal tract until all of the mono-atomic > oxygen has dissipated. > > 2. Magnesium oxide taken in fairly low quantities, > under 300 mg, and taken > with large quantities of niacin in the form of > nicotinic acid, and with > amino acids, especially L-Carnitine, can become > bio-available. The niacin, > together with the amino acids, through a rather > complex enzyme assisted > series, results in a reaction that can enhance the > bioavailability of many > minerals, including magnesium. This combination can > even help carry the > minerals across the blood-brain barrier. Here again, > with the excess oxygen, > it is questionable whether or not such a conversion > could actually take > place. This means very little if any magnesium would > be absorbed by the > body. Vitamin D may also increase the absorption > rate of MgO. > > 3. Magnesium oxide taken with a large meal can > result in hundreds of > reactions with some of them creating magnesium > salts, some of which could > possibly be absorbed by the body. Even then, most is > not truly > bio-available. It usually ends up in the urine > making MgO a potential > treatment for kidney stones. MgO, even when taken > with food showed no > meaningful change because the kidneys filter MgO out > of the plasma. The true > test for bioavailability is a blood test measuring > erythrocyte Mg > concentration not plasma concentration. > > > Loretta > > > A supplement I am taking to address digestive issues > contains 2,740 mg of magnesium (ozinated). This is > considerably more than the 1200 mg I believe is > recommended when using Iodoral. So, I am thinking > that while I use this product I should not take any > other magnesium supplements (other than what is in > the > Celtic Seal Salt). > > For the record I am not taking *anything* within 4 > hours of Iodoral. > > What do you think about adding or not to the 2,740 > mg > of magnesium? > > > Abbe > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Loretta, Thanks for your answer. The person who recommended the Homozon did so for it's oxygenating properties, and its cleansing properties were considered to be something undesirable in that context because it limited the dose one would take. I won't rely on it for any magnesium benefit, but it's good to know that you think it does an excellent job of oxygen release. Lynn Most of the "effective" ozonated magnesium products on the market today are based on the principles of Homozon, which is considered the granddaddy of ozonated digestive tract cleanses. I say "effective" because there are some on the market that release little to no oxygen at all and also contain antioxidants which should not ever be included in an oxygen-releasing product. We used to use Homozon but always had a difficult time in getting the product in a timely manner and too many clients complained about the taste and therefore were not always compliant with the cleansing part of their program. I do not believe that you are getting much benefit at all from the magnesium oxide because of the oxygen release, of which Homozon does an excellent job. The lemon juice is recommended because most people after the ages of 30-35 have low HCL levels and the magnesium oxide needs an acidic environment in order to release oxygen. We have seen people take up to 12-15 capsules with no results, but once HCL, which acts as a catalyst, is raised results begin almost immediately. Loretta Loretta, I have a product touted for oxygen therapy called Homozon. It is a compound chiefly MgO and beneficial gases. Bound by a proprietary process and released by catalysts. The directions are to take 1/4 to several teaspoons stirred into 6-8 oz. of pure water and swallow. Follow with sufficient lemon juice diluted in water (1/4 to 1/2 a lemon) to dissolve the powder, setting free the beneficial gases for action. If a person, on an empty stomach, took 1/4 tsp. of this, which is roughly 330 mg, and followed with juice from half a lemon, do you think the magnesium would convert to an organic salt? Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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