Re: Consult with Dr Flechas about Iodine Loading Test

[Guest guest]

Wonderful Zoe!  All this is very interesting, especially about the iodine and magnesium.  I also can't wait to hear more about the iodine and mercury.   Thank you so much for talking with him and sharing your conversation. On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Zoe & wrote:Yesterday, I had my free phone consult with Dr Flechas to talk about my Iodine Loading Test.  It was very worthwhile.  I strongly recommend to everyone that, when they order an iodine loading test, they ask for the free consult with Dr Flechas.  Then, prepare your list of questions to talk with him about.  If we each ask questions and share the answers with the group, I think we'll learn a lot. First, I asked about my own test.  Why was my iodine sufficiency still under 50% given that I had been taking 50 mg Iodoral for over three months?  He said I probably had a defect in the NIS transporter, and that I needed to take 3 grams of Vitamin C per day.  When I told him that I have been taking about 8 grams of Vitamin C for over three years, he was puzzled and told me to phone Dr Abraham and ask him what is going on.  (He gave me the phone number and said Abraham was available every day but Friday.)  He said I should have reached saturation by now. I then asked him about the various factors that affect iodine absorption.  I mentioned those that we have talked about here:  fat in diet, body fat of individual, size of breasts, spacing the dosage (e.g., 25 mg twice daily), formulation (e.g., Iodoral vs....), Body toxins (e.g., halogens, smoking).  He said the only other thing he could think of was the increased absorption in pregnant women -- iodine absorption is affected by oxytocin, prolactin, and progesterone -- all of which increase iodine absorption. He pointed out that the body has approximately 1,500 mg of iodine.  Of that, only 50 mg is in the thyroid.  The skin has 20% of it. He said that iodine is not well absorbed through the skin.  Only about 7% is absorbed, the rest evaporates.  His reference for this was the article at the bottom of the optimox site. I asked about mercury and other toxins.  He says he has been collecting a lot of data on this since he does a heavy metal urinalysis on about six people every day.  He is planning on writing an article on what he has found this fall.  Mercury, arsenic, lead, tungsten, aluminum, and others are greatly increased in their excretion when supplementing with iodine.  He gave me an example with arsenic, in which the excretion was about 5 units before taking iodine and about 135 units when taking iodine.  I asked about autoimmune issues and iodine.  He says he has measured antibodies on lots of people before and during iodine supplementation and that their antibody levels stay the same.  He thinks the most important research in this area is on gene silencing and methylation.  He explained that a methyl group is one carbon with three hydrogens.  He told me to google "DNA methylation gene silencing autoimmune thyroiditis twins" to find a seminal article written within the past five years.  I tried to find it, but have not been able to.  I emailed him this morning to ask for an exact reference. He said that for Alzheimer's in women, it is a methyl group deficiency of DNA.  Same for lupus.  Women have an extra x chromosome, which is why they have more autoimmune problems.  With age, there is decreased methylation of the DNA. He was not clear on the relationship of iodine and methylation.  Said that iodine helps avoid free radicals.  [The toxic metals may be important, too.] I asked about Iodoral and constipation.  He said iodine should not cause constipation, that the problem is diarrhea.  When I insisted that several people on our group had experienced constipation, he was surprised but interested.  He said that iodine helps in the absorption of magnesium and that people need to be taking 500-1000 mg of magnesium.  And he told me I should include this question in my phone call with Abraham. I asked what the evidence was for a statement on the one-page reference sheet that comes with the iodine loading test:  "All body tissues that absorb iodine/iodide perform best when saturation is at 90% or above."  He said that was based on Abraham's observation that people report a sense of well being when they reach 90% saturation. He was very personable on the phone and available.  He said he had been to our iodine4health website a few days ago and said some nice things about it.  He gave me permission to share anything we talked about with the group.  He is clearly convinced of the safety and benefit of iodine! I highly recommend getting the consult!  And have a good list of questions! Zoe

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

I'm anxiously awaiting my iodine loading test results. I was told

that I might have them early to mid-August. I'm having a tough time

pushing my vitamin C. I'm taking buffered C, but I'm also trying to

drink more fruit juice. This causes terrible GI issues. I'll start

working on my questions and will report what I learn. What a wealth

of information!

Thanks,

Orelindel

> First, I asked about my own test. Why was my iodine sufficiency

still under 50% given that I had been taking 50 mg Iodoral for over

three months? He said I probably had a defect in the NIS

transporter, and that I needed to take 3 grams of Vitamin C per

day. When I told him that I have been taking about 8 grams of

Vitamin C for over three years, he was puzzled and told me to phone

Dr Abraham and ask him what is going on. (He gave me the phone

number and said Abraham was available every day but Friday.) He

said I should have reached saturation by now.

[Guest guest]

You know since I completely stopped iodine a couple of weeks ago (I had reached

the 3 month mark) I have slowly lost a sense of well being. I thought it was

somewhat of a `What am I going to do now to cure my hashimoto's' type of

lull... but also feels like a physical letdown of cutting off my body of

something it still needs. If Flechas is saying that iodine increases the

bodies absorption of magnesium that would explain my sense of well being. I

restarted the iodine dosing... I'll bet my loading test comes back low anyway

since I can't take vitamin C for any length of time because of canker sores.

Believe me I have tried to ignore the canker sores but they get deeper and

deeper until I am afraid they will go through to the other side.

--- Cassidy <christinecassidy@...> wrote:

> Wonderful Zoe! All this is very interesting, especially about the

> iodine and magnesium. I also can't wait to hear more about the

> iodine and mercury. Thank you so much for talking with him and

> sharing your conversation.

>

>

>

>

> On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Zoe & wrote:

>

> > Yesterday, I had my free phone consult with Dr Flechas to talk

> > about my Iodine Loading Test. It was very worthwhile. I strongly

> > recommend to everyone that, when they order an iodine loading test,

> > they ask for the free consult with Dr Flechas. Then, prepare your

> > list of questions to talk with him about. If we each ask questions

> > and share the answers with the group, I think we'll learn a lot.

> >

> > First, I asked about my own test. Why was my iodine sufficiency

> > still under 50% given that I had been taking 50 mg Iodoral for over

> > three months? He said I probably had a defect in the NIS

> > transporter, and that I needed to take 3 grams of Vitamin C per

> > day. When I told him that I have been taking about 8 grams of

> > Vitamin C for over three years, he was puzzled and told me to phone

> > Dr Abraham and ask him what is going on. (He gave me the phone

> > number and said Abraham was available every day but Friday.) He

> > said I should have reached saturation by now.

> >

> > I then asked him about the various factors that affect iodine

> > absorption. I mentioned those that we have talked about here: fat

> > in diet, body fat of individual, size of breasts, spacing the

> > dosage (e.g., 25 mg twice daily), formulation (e.g., Iodoral

> > vs....), Body toxins (e.g., halogens, smoking). He said the only

> > other thing he could think of was the increased absorption in

> > pregnant women -- iodine absorption is affected by oxytocin,

> > prolactin, and progesterone -- all of which increase iodine

> > absorption.

> >

> > He pointed out that the body has approximately 1,500 mg of iodine.

> > Of that, only 50 mg is in the thyroid. The skin has 20% of it.

> >

> > He said that iodine is not well absorbed through the skin. Only

> > about 7% is absorbed, the rest evaporates. His reference for this

> > was the article at the bottom of the optimox site.

> >

> > I asked about mercury and other toxins. He says he has been

> > collecting a lot of data on this since he does a heavy metal

> > urinalysis on about six people every day. He is planning on

> > writing an article on what he has found this fall. Mercury,

> > arsenic, lead, tungsten, aluminum, and others are greatly increased

> > in their excretion when supplementing with iodine. He gave me an

> > example with arsenic, in which the excretion was about 5 units

> > before taking iodine and about 135 units when taking iodine.

> >

> > I asked about autoimmune issues and iodine. He says he has

> > measured antibodies on lots of people before and during iodine

> > supplementation and that their antibody levels stay the same. He

> > thinks the most important research in this area is on gene

> > silencing and methylation. He explained that a methyl group is one

> > carbon with three hydrogens. He told me to google " DNA methylation

> > gene silencing autoimmune thyroiditis twins " to find a seminal

> > article written within the past five years. I tried to find it,

> > but have not been able to. I emailed him this morning to ask for

> > an exact reference.

> >

> > He said that for Alzheimer's in women, it is a methyl group

> > deficiency of DNA. Same for lupus. Women have an extra x

> > chromosome, which is why they have more autoimmune problems. With

> > age, there is decreased methylation of the DNA.

> >

> > He was not clear on the relationship of iodine and methylation.

> > Said that iodine helps avoid free radicals. [The toxic metals may

> > be important, too.]

> >

> > I asked about Iodoral and constipation. He said iodine should not

> > cause constipation, that the problem is diarrhea. When I insisted

> > that several people on our group had experienced constipation, he

> > was surprised but interested. He said that iodine helps in the

> > absorption of magnesium and that people need to be taking 500-1000

> > mg of magnesium. And he told me I should include this question in

> > my phone call with Abraham.

> >

> > I asked what the evidence was for a statement on the one-page

> > reference sheet that comes with the iodine loading test: " All body

> > tissues that absorb iodine/iodide perform best when saturation is

> > at 90% or above. " He said that was based on Abraham's observation

> > that people report a sense of well being when they reach 90%

> > saturation.

> >

> > He was very personable on the phone and available. He said he had

> > been to our iodine4health website a few days ago and said some nice

> > things about it. He gave me permission to share anything we talked

> > about with the group. He is clearly convinced of the safety and

> > benefit of iodine!

> >

> > I highly recommend getting the consult! And have a good list of

> > questions!

> >

> > Zoe

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I don't know how crucial the vitamin C is in general. In my case, he thought the NIS transporters weren't working right, and vitamin C is supposed to help heal that. Maybe you don't need so much C. Also, he definitely recommended the buffered forms of C: the ester form or buffered C.

I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get cankers a lot, up to 20 at a time. Now, I don't get them. I can take 20-30 grams of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid), with no noticeable effect. I have never reached bowel tolerance, even up to 45 grams. There seems to be something quite different about how our bodies work.

Zoe

I'll bet my loading test comes back low anywaysince I can't take vitamin C for any length of time because of canker sores. Believe me I have tried to ignore the canker sores but they get deeper anddeeper until I am afraid they will go through to the other side.

[Guest guest]

--- Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

> I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get

> cankers a lot, up to 20 at a time. Now, I don't get

> them.

I read but do not have the source...they can be

stress-related.

Abbe

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ok, now your bragging....45 grams! That's amazing, Linus ing would be

proud. I have tried all different types. I take Ester C until I feel the

familiar tingle and then I stop. This happens to me and my sister. I assumed

it was that C was an irritant to the oral virus that causes the canker sores.

--- Zoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> I don't know how crucial the vitamin C is in general. In my case, he thought

> the NIS transporters weren't working right, and vitamin C is supposed to help

> heal that. Maybe you don't need so much C. Also, he definitely recommended

> the buffered forms of C: the ester form or buffered C.

>

> I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get cankers a lot, up to 20 at a

> time. Now, I don't get them. I can take 20-30 grams of Vitamin C (ascorbic

> acid), with no noticeable effect. I have never reached bowel tolerance, even

> up to 45 grams. There seems to be something quite different about how our

> bodies work.

>

> Zoe

>

>

> I'll bet my loading test comes back low anyway

> since I can't take vitamin C for any length of time because of canker

> sores.

> Believe me I have tried to ignore the canker sores but they get deeper and

> deeper until I am afraid they will go through to the other side.

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Canker sores are also a candida symtom.

Suzanne

>

> > I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get

> > cankers a lot, up to 20 at a time. Now, I don't get

> > them.

>

> I read but do not have the source...they can be

> stress-related.

>

>

>

> Abbe

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You can also make your own buffered Vit C by taking approx. 1/4

teaspoon of ascorbic acid (1 gram or so) and mixing it with approx 1/8

teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda). It's a lot cheaper than

the store bought buffered vit C.

Suzanne

>

> > ,

> >

> > I don't know how crucial the vitamin C is in general. In my case,

he thought

> > the NIS transporters weren't working right, and vitamin C is

supposed to help

> > heal that. Maybe you don't need so much C. Also, he definitely

recommended

> > the buffered forms of C: the ester form or buffered C.

> >

> > I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get cankers a lot, up to

20 at a

> > time. Now, I don't get them. I can take 20-30 grams of Vitamin C

(ascorbic

> > acid), with no noticeable effect. I have never reached bowel

tolerance, even

> > up to 45 grams. There seems to be something quite different about

how our

> > bodies work.

> >

> > Zoe

> >

> >

> > I'll bet my loading test comes back low anyway

> > since I can't take vitamin C for any length of time because of

canker

> > sores.

> > Believe me I have tried to ignore the canker sores but they get

deeper and

> > deeper until I am afraid they will go through to the other side.

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Cankers are a strep infection which occurs because the pH of the mouth becomes fertile for rapid multiplication. Known as Stomathous aphthous, the canker is not a herpes virus as many refer to as cold sores (they wish). Toothpaste containing SLS (Sodium Laurel Sulfate) is mostly responsible for the condition. Fluoride isn't desirable either for other reasons and no, fluoride does not prevent cavities.

-- Re: Consult with Dr Flechas about Iodine Loading Test

--- Zoe & <ZOEAprodigy (DOT) net> wrote:> I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get> cankers a lot, up to 20 at a time. Now, I don't get> them. I read but do not have the source...they can bestress-related.Abbe__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I used to get canker sores a lot too. And I get none since I switched from Levoxyl and Armour. My daughter (age 9) also got canker sores, and she has been on Armour for a month and has none <knock wood>

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Re: Consult with Dr Flechas about Iodine Loading Test

,

I don't know how crucial the vitamin C is in general. In my case, he thought the NIS transporters weren't working right, and vitamin C is supposed to help heal that. Maybe you don't need so much C. Also, he definitely recommended the buffered forms of C: the ester form or buffered C.

I'm curious about the cankers. I used to get cankers a lot, up to 20 at a time. Now, I don't get them. I can take 20-30 grams of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid), with no noticeable effect. I have never reached bowel tolerance, even up to 45 grams. There seems to be something quite different about how our bodies work.

Zoe

I'll bet my loading test comes back low anywaysince I can't take vitamin C for any length of time because of canker sores. Believe me I have tried to ignore the canker sores but they get deeper anddeeper until I am afraid they will go through to the other side.

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ZOE are you back on 50mg then?

Gracia

Yesterday, I had my free phone consult with Dr Flechas to talk about my Iodine Loading Test. It was very worthwhile. I strongly recommend to everyone that, when they order an iodine loading test, they ask for the free consult with Dr Flechas. Then, prepare your list of questions to talk with him about. If we each ask questions and share the answers with the group, I think we'll learn a lot.

First, I asked about my own test. Why was my iodine sufficiency still under 50% given that I had been taking 50 mg Iodoral for over three months? He said I probably had a defect in the NIS transporter, and that I needed to take 3 grams of Vitamin C per day. When I told him that I have been taking about 8 grams of Vitamin C for over three years, he was puzzled and told me to phone Dr Abraham and ask him what is going on. (He gave me the phone number and said Abraham was available every day but Friday.) He said I should have reached saturation by now.

I then asked him about the various factors that affect iodine absorption. I mentioned those that we have talked about here: fat in diet, body fat of individual, size of breasts, spacing the dosage (e.g., 25 mg twice daily), formulation (e.g., Iodoral vs....), Body toxins (e.g., halogens, smoking). He said the only other thing he could think of was the increased absorption in pregnant women -- iodine absorption is affected by oxytocin, prolactin, and progesterone -- all of which increase iodine absorption.

He pointed out that the body has approximately 1,500 mg of iodine. Of that, only 50 mg is in the thyroid. The skin has 20% of it.

He said that iodine is not well absorbed through the skin. Only about 7% is absorbed, the rest evaporates. His reference for this was the article at the bottom of the optimox site.

I asked about mercury and other toxins. He says he has been collecting a lot of data on this since he does a heavy metal urinalysis on about six people every day. He is planning on writing an article on what he has found this fall. Mercury, arsenic, lead, tungsten, aluminum, and others are greatly increased in their excretion when supplementing with iodine. He gave me an example with arsenic, in which the excretion was about 5 units before taking iodine and about 135 units when taking iodine.

I asked about autoimmune issues and iodine. He says he has measured antibodies on lots of people before and during iodine supplementation and that their antibody levels stay the same. He thinks the most important research in this area is on gene silencing and methylation. He explained that a methyl group is one carbon with three hydrogens. He told me to google "DNA methylation gene silencing autoimmune thyroiditis twins" to find a seminal article written within the past five years. I tried to find it, but have not been able to. I emailed him this morning to ask for an exact reference.

He said that for Alzheimer's in women, it is a methyl group deficiency of DNA. Same for lupus. Women have an extra x chromosome, which is why they have more autoimmune problems. With age, there is decreased methylation of the DNA.

He was not clear on the relationship of iodine and methylation. Said that iodine helps avoid free radicals. [The toxic metals may be important, too.]

I asked about Iodoral and constipation. He said iodine should not cause constipation, that the problem is diarrhea. When I insisted that several people on our group had experienced constipation, he was surprised but interested. He said that iodine helps in the absorption of magnesium and that people need to be taking 500-1000 mg of magnesium. And he told me I should include this question in my phone call with Abraham.

I asked what the evidence was for a statement on the one-page reference sheet that comes with the iodine loading test: "All body tissues that absorb iodine/iodide perform best when saturation is at 90% or above." He said that was based on Abraham's observation that people report a sense of well being when they reach 90% saturation.

He was very personable on the phone and available. He said he had been to our iodine4health website a few days ago and said some nice things about it. He gave me permission to share anything we talked about with the group. He is clearly convinced of the safety and benefit of iodine!

I highly recommend getting the consult! And have a good list of questions!

Zoe

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I'm staying on 12.5 mg Iodoral until I have a chance to talk to Abraham. Since I did not have a loading test prior to starting the Iodoral, it is difficult to know whether I absorbed any iodine at all. The average score on the loading test PRIOR to supplementing is about 40%, and I'm at 44%. So, I'll wait until I can talk with Abraham and see what he has to say. Zoe

ZOE are you back on 50mg then?

Gracia