Hi!!

[Guest guest]

Dear Elaine,

Given what you know now would you go through the chemo and radiation or goes

totally natural..I had a lump removed, stage one, 1.5 cm agressive, not in

lymph nodes. I am trying to decide to have or not have chemo. Any

information out there would be appreciated. I am now eating well and juicing,

cleansing etc.

Thanks

Ann

[Guest guest]

Hello Elaine,

Welcome to the group.

Please join me in welcoming our new members:

Ulf Gogberg, D.S., Ann Beach, Dan , McShane, and others

who have joined last 24 hours.

I think we should make some kind of introduction.

I would apprechiate if each of you say something about yourself, why are

you on this list and something about your health.

My Introduction story (I always write this story from begining, and it is

always the same :-)

***********************

I have never had cancer, but many people around me did, and my mother did.

Short story about how did she cure herself is here :

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/cancer_breast_cured.html

My story:

****************

I am Computer Network Administrator and I am 30 years old. Married, 5 kids.

My Early health Experiences

As a child I was very sick. As a baby I almost died of bronchitis, and ever

since until I was 15, I could not remember a single 3 months of my life that I

did not have some kind of cold, trout infection or bronchitis. I needed

antibiotics pills, penicillin injections or something similar few times a

year. Oh,

I really hated injections.

At the age of 15 I started with a no-protein diet in order to change the way I

look. I was exercising a lot and became quiet muscular, but I was much more

fascinated by the strength and outlook of Bruce Lee than the way Arnold

Swarzenegger look like. Diet was created by my own ideas, while trying to

avoid too many proteins. I stopped eating meat and started eating more

vegetables, whole grains, grain sprouts ... As a side effect of this diet, my

immunity improved drastically. It seemed that diseases did not come back .

So then I first realized that diet and health are connected.

Then I read all the books about diet I came over. It took me 2 years of

reading

and experimenting with my own health to realize that there are some people

who have already studied the same thing, who came to the similar results and

who found more answers then me. I was 17 when I first started reading

books about macrobiotics.

My sister Vanja Stojkovic was suffering from skin problems. She got her first

acne only 7 years old. Ever since, her face was covered with acne and she

had tried everything possible to get rid of it. After many years of trying

every

possible cream, cosmetology treatment, dermatological treatment, one

dermatologist have put her on antibiotics, and she was taking antibiotics for

two years, every day. Whenever she tried to stop with antibiotics, her face

would be covered with acne the very next day, and she did not have any

alternative.

Macrobiotics and Eastern Thought

When I was 18, and my sister Vanja was 19, we attended our first seminar on

Macrobiotics. It was 1987. It was 7 days seminar, with many lectures in

different subjects, including nutrition and diet, Qi Gong, Shiatsu,

acupressure,

traditional Chinese medicine, Chinese monk diet, Feng Shui...

We were both fascinated by the things we learned from a man called Zlatko

Pejic. Zlatko Pejic was sent to China by United Nations to conduct research

on Qi-Gong. He became recognized expert on Chinese tradition, qi-gong, Tai

Chi Cuan, acupressure, Feng Shui... He was invited by Michio Kushi to the

Kushi center where he has studied Macrobiotics. He was the first macrobiotic

dietary consultant in Yugoslavia.

His lectures were really inspiring. From the first day of seminar we

decided to

stop eating sugar and to start with health diet. After coming home from that

seminar, we continued with this diet. My sister stopped using antibiotics,

and her acne disappeared after two weeks. Since this time, neither my sister,

nor me have ever needed antibiotics.

Following years we have attended every possible seminar and lecture on

health, macrobiotics, diet, nutrition, Shiatsu, Yumeiho (hip and spine

correcting therapy), reflexology, acupuncture, psychology, physiology,

anatomy, epidemiology, biology, toxicology ...

Our teachers were people with years of experience and authors of many

bestsellers books: Zlatko Pejic, Jadranka Boban, Michio Kushi, Avelin Kushi,

Shizuko Yamamoto, Mc Cartney, Dragan Vukovic, Masayuki Saiony,

Flavio Santim Zanata, Bill Speer, Denny Waxman and many others...

Michio Kushi's books are translated in 30 different languages and are read by

millions of people. Most of modern books about cancer prevention are only

repeating his story. He gave consultations to more than 10 000 people with

cancer. Many hundreds survived. Majority did not. They either started too

late, or did not follow recommendations. It is far easier to prevent

cancer than

it is to cure it, especially if it is in its terminal stadium. It is

progressive

diseases and it will use anything we eat to grow. And it really loves

meat and

sugar.

*********

On those seminars and lectures my sister and me introduced thousands of

people of all ages who managed to cure incurable diseases including Cancer,

Aids, Diabetes, Arthritis ... by cleansing, changing diet and lifestyle.

We become a cooking instructors, instructors in shiatsu and Yumeiho

therapy. We started teaching other people. After years of experience we

felt

enough confident to begin giving dietary and lifestyle consultations to

seriously sick people.

Meanwhile my sister graduated at Belgrade University, she become B.Sc.of

Geology. Few years later I become B.Sc. of Geodesy.

That was the beginning of my study.

Since that time I have read many hundreds of medical journals, studies,

books, and attended many lectures on health...

By working with people I learned a lot about cancer and other diseases.

***********************

My story would be incomplete if I would not say something about my other

teachers.

All the things I have learn did not come only from the people teaching

Macrobiotics and alternative therapies. I also have to say thanks to some

people with medical and academic background, whose books and lectures

have inspired me in my studying and experimenting.

I learned a lot from Dr. Bernard Jensen, from Dr.F.X.Mayr, founder of the Mayr

Therapy, Dr. Wallach, Dr.Udo Erasmus, Dr. Hulda Regehr , Dr.

Matsen N.D., Dr. D'Adamo , Dr. Shulze, and others who's names

I just can't remember now.

I never met Dr. Wallach, but I must say that I have learned a lot from

his

book " Rear Earth- forbidden cures " . He is certainly expert on the question of

nutrition and essential minerals and other nutrients. I recommend you

reading this book and listening his cassette " Dead doctors don't lie " .

From Udo Erasmus, Ph.D.Nutrition, I learned a lot about oils and about

essential fatty acids. His fantastic book about nutrition and health

" Fats That

Heal Fats That Kill " is certainly something that I would recommend to all of

you who are interested in health.

He is internationally recognized authority on health and nutrition, and is

the ONLY Nutrition Doctor I met who really understood the whole picture

about nutrition and health. If you ever get chance to attend his lectures,

do not hesitate.

Book " Eating alive " by Matsen N.D. is one of the best books about how

to improve digestion.

Dr. Shulze is one of the best Medical Herbalist. His knowledge is

becoming more and more accepted.

Theory and studies of D'Adamo expressed in his book " Eat right for

your type " are also interesting, new and revolutionary. Those theoties are

just going to be more and more common and accepted.

I also learn a lot from Dr.Larry Clap, Dr.Lorriane Day, G. ,

Ralph Moss, and many others.

Last years I am working full time as a computer network administrator

and health and disease research is domain of my free time and my weekends.

I am more and more apprechiating Flaxseed oil, carrot juice, wheat grass

and barley grass juice, ...

I amlearning every day.

I am in contact with few people who are learning from having Kidney stones,

Cancer,

AIDS, Diabetes, Allergies, Asthma, Arthritis, Alzheimer, MS, Colitis,....

__________________________________________________

So, that was my story.

Best of health!

Dusan Stojkovic

Norway

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I have completed a 20 day course of a treatment called Issine Solution. This

was discovered from a Dr. in Greece.. He treated cancer successfully for 40

years. Does anyone else know about this treatment? If so write me and if

anyone is interested I will give number here in states to find out more. The

contact here was cured himself of liver and kidney cancer (I think I am

right). I learned of it from a friend with breast cancer and has refused

chemo and radiation. So we can follow her sucess. I have had my lump removed

so it will be hard to gauge. I will just have to see if it returns. I am

doing everything to build my immune sys. I have not competely ruled out

chemo, but must make decision this week. I feel I will try several methods

because I don't know which will work for me and as long as it is not harmful.

I don't know any of you, but you have become my support group in a sense.

Sincerely,

Ann

[Guest guest]

At 00:48 02.03.99 EST, you wrote:

>From: Jab44419@...

>

>Hello everyone,

>I have completed a 20 day course of a treatment called Issine Solution. This

>was discovered from a Dr. in Greece.. He treated cancer successfully for 40

>years. Does anyone else know about this treatment? If so write me and if

>anyone is interested I will give number here in states to find out more. The

>contact here was cured himself of liver and kidney cancer (I think I am

>right). I learned of it from a friend with breast cancer and has refused

>chemo and radiation. So we can follow her sucess. I have had my lump

removed

>so it will be hard to gauge. I will just have to see if it returns. I am

>doing everything to build my immune sys. I have not competely ruled out

>chemo, but must make decision this week. I feel I will try several methods

>because I don't know which will work for me and as long as it is not harmful.

>I don't know any of you, but you have become my support group in a sense.

>Sincerely,

>Ann

Hello Ann,

I am sending you this letter in order to help you choose Chemo.

You know how much I like Chemo therapy.

I have met so many people who cured cancer using chemo.

To make the story better, all 90% of them who have cured cancer with chemo,

have got it back within 10 years.

Most of them within 5 years.

Let's see other good sides of chemo:

World Without Cancer

by G.

Excerpts

Let us take a look at the results and benefits of the so-called cures

obtained through surgery,

radiation, and chemotherapy.

Chemo Statistics

The following appeared in the Los Angeles Times on August 18, 1973, under

the heading: CANCER

" CURE " LAETRILE

Helene Brown, FDA spokesperson, ... said:

... there are now 10 kinds of cancer which can be cured or controlled by

chemotherapy—the treatment of disease by drugs.

Less than a month later, while speaking at an ACS national conference

on cancer nursing,

Mrs. Brown said flatly: " Present medical knowledge makes it possible

to cure seventy

percent of. cancers, if they are detected early. "

Spokesmen for the American Cancer Society never tire of perpetuating the

myth of " proven cures. "

But they seldom look quite so foolish in the eyes of those who know

anything about true survival

statistics as they do when they speak of cures by chemotherapy.

We briefly have viewed the miserable results obtained by orthodox surgery

and radiation. However,

the record of so-called anti-cancer drugs is even worse. The primary reason

for this is that most of

them currently in use are highly poisonous, not just to cancer but to the

rest of the body as well.

Generally they are more deadly to healthy tissue than they are to the

malignant cell.

All substances can be toxic if taken in sufficient quantity. This is true

of aspirin, sugar, Laetrile, or

even water. But, unlike those, the anti-cancer drugs are poisonous, not as

a result of an overdose or

as a side-effect, but as a primary effect. In other words, their poisonous

nature is not tolerated merely

as a necessary price to pay in order to achieve some desired effect, it is

the desired effect.

These chemicals are selected because they are capable of differentiating

between types of cells and,

consequently, of poisoning some types more than others. But don’t jump to

the conclusion that they

differentiate between cancer and non-cancer cells, killing only the cancer

cells, because they do not.

The cellular poisons used in orthodox cancer therapy today cannot

distinguish between cancer and

non-cancer cells. They act instead to differentiate between cells that are

fast-growing and those that

are slow-growing or not growing at all. Cells that are actively dividing

are the targets. Consequently,

they kill, not only the cancer cells that are dividing, but also a

multitude of normal cells all over the

body that also are caught in the act of dividing.

Theoretically, those cancers that are dividing more rapidly than normal

cells will be killed before the

patient is, but it is nip and tuck all the way. In the case of a cancer

that is dividing at the same rate or

even slower than normal cells, there isn’t even a theoretical chance of

success.

In either event, poisoning the system is the objective of these drugs, and

the resulting pain and

illness often is a torment worse than the disease itself. The toxins catch

the blood cells in the act of

dividing and cause blood poisoning. The gastrointestinal system is thrown

into convulsion causing

nausea, diarrhea, loss of appetite, cramps, and progressive weakness. Hair

cells are fast-growing, so

the hair falls out during treatment. Reproductive organs are affected

causing sterility. The brain

becomes fatigued. Eyesight and hearing are impaired. Every conceivable

function is disrupted with

such agony for the patient that many of them elect to die of the cancer

rather than to continue

treatment.

It is ironic that the personnel who administer these drugs to cancer

patients take great precautions to

be sure they themselves are not exposed to them. The Handbook of Cancer

Chemotherapy, a

standard reference for medical personnel, offers this warning:

The potential risks involved in handling cytotoxic agents have become

a concern for

health care workers. The literature reports various symptoms such as

eye, membrane, and

skin irritation, as well as dizziness, nausea, and headache

experienced by health care

workers not using safe handling precautions. In addition, increased

concerns regarding

the mutagenesis and teratogenesis [deformed babies] continue to be

investigated. Many

chemotherapy agents, the alkylating agents in particular, are known to

be carcinogenic

[cancer -causing] in therapeutic doses. (Roland T. Skeel, M.D., and

Neil A. Lachant, M.D.,

Handbook of Cancer Chemotherapy; Fourth Edition (New York: Little,

Brown and

Company, 1995), p.677.)

Because these drugs are so dangerous, the Chemotherapy Handbook lists

sixteen OSHA safety

procedures for medical personnel who work around them. They include wearing

disposable masks

and gowns, eye goggles, and double latex gloves. The procedure for

disposing needles and other

equipment used with these drugs is regulated by the Environmental

Protection Agency under the

category of " hazardous waste. " Yet, these same substances are injected

directly into the

bloodstream of hapless cancer patients supposedly to cure their cancer!

Most of these drugs are described as radiomimetic, which means they mimic

or produce the same

effect as radiation. Consequently, they also suppress the immune system,

and that is one of the

reasons they help spread the cancer to other areas. But whereas X-rays

usually are directed at only

one or two locations, these chemicals do their deadly work on every cell in

the body As Dr.

has pointed out:

Both radiation therapy and attempts to " poison out " result in a

profound hostile

in-imunosuppression that greatly increases the susceptibility to

metastasis. How irrational

it would be to attempt to treat cancer immunologically and/or

physiologically, and at the

same time administer immunosuppressants in the form of radiation of

any kind,

methotrexate, 5-FU, Cytoxin, or similarly useless and dangerous

general cellular poisons.

All of these modalities, as we know, have been used to depress the

rejection phenomena

associated with organ transplantation. The entire physiological

objective in rational

cancer therapy is to increase the rejection phenomena. (Open letter to

interested doctors,

Nov., 1972; , Private Papers, op. cit.)

The view that toxic " anti-cancer " drugs usually accomplish just the

opposite of their intent is not

restricted to the advocates of Laetrile. It is a fact of life (or shall we

say death?) that has become

widely acknowledged even by those who use these drugs. Dr. Trelford,

for instance, of the

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Ohio State University Hospital

has said:

At the present time, chemotherapy of gynecological tumors does not

appear to have

increased life expectancy except in sporadic cases.... The problem of

blind chemotherapy

means not only a loss of the effect of the drugs, but also a lowering

of the patient’s

resistance to the cancer cells owing to the toxicity of these agents.

( " A Discussion of the

Results of Chemotherapylogical Cancer and the Host’s Immune Response, "

Sixth

National Cancer Conference proceedings, op. cit.)

Dr. Trelford is not alone in his observation. A report from the Southern

Research Institute, dated April

13, 1972, based upon research conducted for the National Cancer Institute,

indicated that most of the

accepted drugs in the American Cancer Society’s " proven cure~~ category

produced cancer in

laboratory animals that previously had been healthy! (NCI research contract

PH-43-68-.998.

Information contained in letter from Dean Burk to Congressman Lou Frey,

Jr., May 30,1972; ,

Private Papers, op. cit., p. 5.)

In a courageous letter to Dr. Rauscher, his boss at the National

Cancer Institute, Dr. Dean Burk

condemned the Institute’s policy of continuing to endorse these drugs when

everyone knew that

they caused cancer. He argued:

Ironically, virtually all of the chemotherapeutic anti-cancer agents

now approved by the

Food and Drug Administration for use or testing in human cancer

patients are (1) highly or

variously toxic at applied dosages; (2) markedly immunosuppressive,

that is, destructive

of the patient’s native resistance to a variety of diseases, including

cancer; and (3) usually

highly carcinogenic [cancer causing].... These now well established

facts have been

reported in numerous publications from the National Cancer Institute

itself, as well as from

throughout the United States and, indeed, the world. Furthermore, what

has just been said

of the FDA-approved anti-cancer chemotherapeutic drugs is true, though

perhaps less

conspicuously, of radiological and surgical treatments of human

cancer....

In your answer to my discussion on March 19, you readily acknowledged

that the

FDA-approved anti-cancer drugs were indeed toxic, immunosuppressive, and

carcinogenic, as indicated. But then, even in the face of the

evidence, including your own

White House statement of May 5, 1972, all pointing to the pitifully

small effectiveness of

such drugs, you went on to say quite paradoxically it seems to me, " I

think the Cancer

Chemotherapy program is one of the best program components that the

NCI has ever

had. " ... One may ask, parenthetically, surely this does not speak well

of the " other

program areas? " ...

ly, I fail to follow you here. I submit that a program and series

of the FDA-approved

compounds that yield only 5—10% " effectiveness " can scarcely be

described as

" excellent, " the more so since it represents the total production of

a thirty-year effort on

the part of all of us in the cancer therapy field. (Letter to

Rauscher, dated April 20,

1973; , Private Papers, op. cit.)

There is little evidence for long-term survival with chemotherapy. Here is

just a sampling of the

negative verdict handed down by physicians, many of whom still continue to

prescribe it:

Dr. B. Fisher, writing in the September 1968 issue of ls of Surgery,

stated:

As a result of its severe toxicity and its lack of therapeutic effect,

further use of 5-FU as an

adjuvant to breast surgery in the regimen employed is unwarranted.

( " Surgical Adjuvant

Chemotherapy in Cancer of the Breast: Results of A Decade of ative

Investigation, " ls of Surgery, 168, No.3, Sept., 1968.)

Dr. Saul A. Rosenberg, Associate Professor of Medicine and Radiology at

Stanford University School

of Medicine:

Worthwhile palliation is achieved in many patients. However, there

will be the inevitable

relapse of the malignant lymphoma, and, either because of drug

resistance or drug

intolerance, the disease will recur, requiring modifications of the

chemotherapy program

and eventually failure to control the disease process. ( " The

Indications for Chemotherapy

in the Lymphomas, " Sixth National Cancer Conference proceedings, op.

cit.)

Dr. Moertal of the Mayo Clinic:

Our most effective regimens are fraught with risks and side-effects

and practical

problems; and after this price is paid by all the patients we have

treated, only a small

fraction are rewarded with a transient period of usually incomplete

tumor regressions....

Our accepted and traditional curative efforts, therefore, yield a

failure rate of 85%.... Some

patients with gastrointestinal cancer can have very long survival with

no treatment

whatsoever. (Speech made at the National Cancer Institute Clinical

Center Auditorium,

May 18, 1972.)

Dr. D. Sullivan, Department of Cancer Research at the Lahey Clinic

Foundation:

There has been an enormous undertaking of cancer research to develop

anti-cancer

drugs for use in the management of neoplastic diseases in man.

However, progress has

been slow, and no chemical agents capable of inducing a general

curative effect on

disseminated forms of cancer have yet been developed. ( " Ambulatory

Arterial Infusion in

the Treatment of Primary and Secondary Skin Cancer, " Sixth National

Cancer Conference

proceedings, op. cit.)

If it is true that Orthodox chemotherapy is (1) toxic, (2)

immunosuppressant, (3) carcinogenic, and (4)

futile, then why would doctors continue to use it? The answer is that they

don’t know what else to

do. Patients usually are not scheduled into chemotherapy unless their

condition seems so hopeless

that the loss of life appears to be inevitable anyway. Some doctors refer

to this stage, not as therapy,

but experimentation, which, frankly, is a more honest description.

Another reason for using drugs in the treatment of cancer is that the

doctor does not like to tell the

patient there is no hope. In his own mind he knows there is none, but he

also knows that the patient

does not want to hear that and will seek another physician who will

continue some kind of treatment,

no matter how useless. So he solves the problem by continuing the treatment

himself.

In his book The Wayward Cell, Cancer, Dr. Victor s made it clear

that chemotherapy is used

primarily just to keep the patient returning for treatment and to build his

morale while he dies. But

there is more! He said:

Nevertheless, chemotherapy serves an extremely valuable role in

keeping patients

oriented toward proper medical therapy, and prevents the feeling of

being abandoned by

the physician in patients with late and hopeless cancers. Judicious

employment and

screening of potentially useful drugs may also prevent the spread of

cancer quackery.

(Victor s, The Wayward Cell, Cancer; Its Origins, Nature, and

Treatment, (Berkeley:

The University of California Press, 1972), pp. 215—16.)

Heaven forbid that anyone should forsake the nauseating, pain-racking,

cancerspreading, admittedly

ineffective " proven cures " for such " quackery " as Laetrile!

Here, at last, is revealed the true goal of much of the so-called

" educational " programs of orthodox

medicine—psychologically to condition people not to try any other forms of

therapy. That is why

they perpetuate the myth of " proven cures. "

The American Cancer Society, in its Unproven Methods of Cancer Management,

stated:

When one realizes that 1,500,000 Americans are alive today because

they went to their

doctors in time, and that the proven treatments of radiation and

surgery are responsible

for these cures, he is less likely to take a chance with a

questionable practitioner or an

unproven treatment. (Unproven Methods of Cancer Management, op. cit.,

pp.17,18)

Summary

Before leaving the subject of cancer therapy and moving on to the field of

cancer research, let us

clarify and summarize our findings so far. Here is a brief outline of the

four optional modes of cancer

therapy:

SURGERY: Least harmful. Sometimes a life-saving, stop-gap meas-ure. No

evidence that patients

who receive radical or extensive surgical options live any longer than

those who receive the most

conservative options, or, for that matter, those who receive none at all.

Believed to increase the

likelihood of disseminating cancer to other locations.

When dealing with internal tumors affecting reproductive or vital organs,

the statistical rate of

long-term survival is, on the average, 10—15%. After metastasis, the

statistical chances for long-term

survival are close to zero.

RADIOLOGY: Very harmful in many ways. Spreads the cancer and weakens the

patient’s resistance

to other diseases. Serious and painful side-effects, including heart

failure. No evidence that treated

patients live any longer, on the average, than those not treated.

Statistical rate of long-term survival

after metastasis is close to zero.

CHEMOTHERAPY: Also spreads the cancer through weakening of immunological

defense

mechanism plus general toxicity. Leaves patient susceptible to other

diseases and infections, often

leading to death from these causes. Extremely serious side-effects. No

evidence that treated patients

live any longer, on the average, than untreated patients. Statistical rate

of long-term survival after

metastasis is close to zero.

Did you know that 30 years ago Dr Hardin B. , Professor of Medical

Physics & Physiology at

Berkeley, found that the life expectancy of untreated cancer cases appears

to be FOUR TIMES

LONGER than that of treated individuals?

1969 Science Writers Conference of the ACS

Chemotherapy is effective in only 2 to 4% of cancers----Hodgkin's disease,

Acute Lymphocytic

Leukemia (ALL, childhood leukemia), Testicular cancer, and Choriocarcinoma?

Ralph Moss interview 1995 here

There is no scientific evidence for chemotherapy being able to extend in

any appreciable way the

lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancers, which

accounts for 80% of all

cancers?

Dr Ulrich Abel. 1990

Chemotherapy drugs are of benefit to at most 5% of cancer patients they are

given to, but are

routinely given to 50% of patients?

Cairns of Harvard in Scientific American

75 % of oncologists, in one survey, said if they had cancer they would not

participate in

chemotherapy trials due to its " ineffectiveness and its unacceptable

toxicity " ?

Interview of Dr Manners

" (Tamoxifen) is a garbage drug that made it to the top of the scrap heap.

It is DES in the making. " --Pierre Blais (Tamoxifen: A Major Medical Mistake?

by Sherrill Sellman). http://www.netspace.net.au/~newdome/hh_tamoxifen.html

The trouble with tamoxifen by Dr. Zoltan P. Rona MD MSc

http://www.selene.com/healthlink/tamoxifen.html

Grouped together, the average cancer patient has a 50/50 chance of living

another 5 years; which are

the same odds he or she had in 1971?

With some cancers, notably liver, lung, pancreas, bone and advanced breast,

our 5 year survival

from traditional therapy alone is virtually the same as it was 30 years ago?

After $50 Billion spent on cancer research, the list of cancers responsive

to chemotherapy is almost

identical to what it was 25 years ago?

(Questioning Chemotherapy by Ralph Moss, p81)

the War on Cancer is a failure with a death rate not lower but 6% higher in

1997 than 1970?

-------------------------------------------------------------

Now you know that chemo is The Cure for cancer.

Now, before you take chemo ask your doctor next questions:

- To give you 3 good reasons why should you try this therapy.

- To give you list of the people who have cured cancer using this therapy

- To tell you what are the side efects of this therapy

- To tell you why should you choose this therapy and not some other one.

- To tell you how much money is he going to earn if you choose shemo

You will well come to few other questions, after while.

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:59:45 EST

dusan@...

Subject: Re: Chemo treatment kickbacks

Dusan,

I just received this from an inside medical person. I will ask her for

where she found this article.

Joan

Subject: Re: Western Pharmaceutical Bribery

>

>

>When Der Spiegel reported the findings Dr. Urich Abel's " number crunching "

>of outcomes of patients undergoing chemotherapy, it was discovered that

>German doctors prescribing chemo received kickbacks from pharmaceutical

>companies for each patient placed on chemotherapy. It was 7-8 years ago

>that I read the reports, but what I recall is that the kick-backs averaged

>800-1200 -- but I don't remember if those were $ or DM. In addition to

>cash, they received ski vacations in the Alps, trips to the West Indies,

>etc., etc. Abel sent questionnaires to hundreds of oncology clinics in

>Europe and then subjected the data to biostatistical analysis. The

>conclusion was that chemotherapy does not help any " organ cancers " but may

>have some benefit in childhood leukemias and some lymphomas. I know we have

>discussed this previously on the list, but the kickbacks were a significant

>part of the horror story reported continuously for about 18 months in the

>German press.

>

[Guest guest]

How do we order this tablets?

Thanks.

Luz

hi!!

Im new to this forum, hi!!

I have been taking herbal tablets for a year now which have helped a

lot...The candida is still there though but only because i havent

been too careful with my diet...After 2 weeks of these particular

tablets my symptoms changed dramatically and are now at only a

fraction of what they were even with my intermittent " bad " diet...

Before I took them, I had a constant internal irritation all over my

body as well as a constant pounding migrane, fatigue, food allergies,

anxiety and mild depression to boot. The irritation and headaches had

become progressively worse over a period of a couple of years and in

the end became so bad that it brought me to a point where one night i

had a kind of a " mini breakdown " and cried like a baby!!..i havent

done that since i was a child..i felt lost and a little desperate...I

had never heard of candida at this point and had always convinced

myself that these symptoms were temporary due to bad eating habits

(which was partly true) so never dragged myself to the doctor...About

a month after my " breakdown " a free alternative shopping magazine

came in the door and one day i was flicking through it and came

across an advertisement for anti-candida herbal tablets..I was amazed

and relieved to see that the ad contained a list of symptoms and

causes of candida and of course i fitted the bill exactly!!..What a

revelation it was to find out!!...

I hail from ireland originally but now live in stockholm, sweden and

the company who produce the tablets are danish with a branch in

sweden..they dont have a website so the best I can do is list the

herbal ingredients and maybe you can get something similar where you

are... the ingredients are in swedish so i will do my best to

translate as my swedish is far from perfect!! (a dictionary would

help!)

150mg Sweet wormwood - (Artemisia annua)

140mg Pau D'arco bark

50mg Pot Marigold - (Calendula)

50mg Licorice

50mg Thyme

50mg Garlic

2mg Fennel

The amounts are just a reference...Im not suggesting you go and make

your own...ha ha...

As I said my improvements were drastic...I took 3 a day for a month

then 2 a day for 2 months (i think) and then stopped...Within those 3

months the headaches and irritation gradually faded coming back only

now and then depending on my diet but at only a fraction of what they

were before even though I had stopped taking the tablets!!...I have

now decided to stop with the sugar and wheat for a long time and get

some more of these tablets and make another go of it to get rid of

this pest for good!

I hope this post has been useful to some...

dave

p.s. I have to add that I practise meditation and yoga regularly

which make a huge difference to stress levels which as we know is a

major contributer to candida!!

[Guest guest]

Why don't you just take vita biosa has the some ingredients plus some.

Www.sea-health.com

On 1.11.2004 11:53 Uhr, " Luz Ledesma-Ice " <lledesma@...> wrote:

>

>

> How do we order this tablets?

> Thanks.

> Luz

>

> hi!!

>

>

>

>

>

> Im new to this forum, hi!!

> I have been taking herbal tablets for a year now which have helped a

> lot...The candida is still there though but only because i havent

> been too careful with my diet...After 2 weeks of these particular

> tablets my symptoms changed dramatically and are now at only a

> fraction of what they were even with my intermittent " bad " diet...

> Before I took them, I had a constant internal irritation all over my

> body as well as a constant pounding migrane, fatigue, food allergies,

> anxiety and mild depression to boot. The irritation and headaches had

> become progressively worse over a period of a couple of years and in

> the end became so bad that it brought me to a point where one night i

> had a kind of a " mini breakdown " and cried like a baby!!..i havent

> done that since i was a child..i felt lost and a little desperate...I

> had never heard of candida at this point and had always convinced

> myself that these symptoms were temporary due to bad eating habits

> (which was partly true) so never dragged myself to the doctor...About

> a month after my " breakdown " a free alternative shopping magazine

> came in the door and one day i was flicking through it and came

> across an advertisement for anti-candida herbal tablets..I was amazed

> and relieved to see that the ad contained a list of symptoms and

> causes of candida and of course i fitted the bill exactly!!..What a

> revelation it was to find out!!...

> I hail from ireland originally but now live in stockholm, sweden and

> the company who produce the tablets are danish with a branch in

> sweden..they dont have a website so the best I can do is list the

> herbal ingredients and maybe you can get something similar where you

> are... the ingredients are in swedish so i will do my best to

> translate as my swedish is far from perfect!! (a dictionary would

> help!)

>

> 150mg Sweet wormwood - (Artemisia annua)

> 140mg Pau D'arco bark

> 50mg Pot Marigold - (Calendula)

> 50mg Licorice

> 50mg Thyme

> 50mg Garlic

> 2mg Fennel

>

> The amounts are just a reference...Im not suggesting you go and make

> your own...ha ha...

> As I said my improvements were drastic...I took 3 a day for a month

> then 2 a day for 2 months (i think) and then stopped...Within those 3

> months the headaches and irritation gradually faded coming back only

> now and then depending on my diet but at only a fraction of what they

> were before even though I had stopped taking the tablets!!...I have

> now decided to stop with the sugar and wheat for a long time and get

> some more of these tablets and make another go of it to get rid of

> this pest for good!

> I hope this post has been useful to some...

> dave

> p.s. I have to add that I practise meditation and yoga regularly

> which make a huge difference to stress levels which as we know is a

> major contributer to candida!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marcela

Yo soy de los estados unidos y hablo espanol. Me llamo Beth y mi hija

es Lily, nosotros tenemos BPES. Lily tiene 8 meses y yo tengo 34 anos.

Creo que hay un espanol y otra argentina en este grupo.

Beth

>

> Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is there someone who

> speeks spanish?

>

> Regards

>

> Marcela

[Guest guest]

hola allí, mi hijo Lynden tiene BPES, él es 7 años de viejo y de primer, no soy español sino que puedo traducir y hay algunos otros también, sepamos qué preguntas usted tiene e intentaremos nuestro mejor.... charla a usted prontoTonikka y Lynden

-----Original Message-----From: marcelayleandro [mailto:marcelayleandro@...]Sent: April 3, 2005 8:28 AMblepharophimosis Subject: blepharophimosis Hi!!Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is there someone who speeks spanish?RegardsMarcela

[Guest guest]

hola marcela! aca estoy yo, soy monica! bienvenida al

grupo. Tambien hay un espanol, hace las preguntas que

necesites, tambien fijate en el site que es muy

completo y tiene mucha informacion. bueno, te mando un

abrazo. monica.

--- marcelayleandro <marcelayleandro@...>

wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is

there someone who

speeks spanish?

Regards

Marcela

[Guest guest]

Efectivamente hay un español en el grupo. mi hija Ana tiene 6 años y

blefarofimosis. Ella es la única en la familia con la alteración. de momento

no está operada porque su agudeza visula es normal.

>From: " marcelayleandro " <marcelayleandro@...>

>Reply-blepharophimosis

>blepharophimosis

>Subject: blepharophimosis Hi!!

>Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:27:31 -0000

>

>

>Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is there someone who

>speeks spanish?

>

>Regards

>

>Marcela

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hola!!!!

Los chicos??? Seguís haciendo a los Power???Ja, ja. Besos para todos.

Marce

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is

> there someone who

> speeks spanish?

>

> Regards

>

> Marcela

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hola!!!

Soy Marcela y mi hijo se llama Leandro. Tiene 20 meses y sindrome de

Ohdo. En agosto, al cumplir 2 años, lo quieren operar del epicantus y

de la ptosis, ya que antes de los 2 años no es recomendable, dice su

médico. En el caso de Uds., fue así también???

Besos

Marcela

>

> Efectivamente hay un español en el grupo. mi hija Ana tiene 6 años

y

> blefarofimosis. Ella es la única en la familia con la alteración.

de momento

> no está operada porque su agudeza visula es normal.

>

>

>

> >From: " marcelayleandro " <marcelayleandro@y...>

> >Reply-blepharophimosis

> >blepharophimosis

> >Subject: blepharophimosis Hi!!

> >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:27:31 -0000

> >

> >

> >Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is there someone

who

> >speeks spanish?

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Marcela

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

al parecer es mejor operar cunato más tarde mejor. No obstante a ece hay que

intervenir pronto para elevar los párpados y así permitir una visión

adecuada que en caso contrario se puede deteriorar.

>From: " marcelayleandro " <marcelayleandro@...>

>Reply-blepharophimosis

>blepharophimosis

>Subject: blepharophimosis Re: Hi!!

>Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:05:17 -0000

>

>

>Hola!!!

>

>Soy Marcela y mi hijo se llama Leandro. Tiene 20 meses y sindrome de

>Ohdo. En agosto, al cumplir 2 años, lo quieren operar del epicantus y

>de la ptosis, ya que antes de los 2 años no es recomendable, dice su

>médico. En el caso de Uds., fue así también???

>

>Besos

>

>Marcela

>

>

>

> >

> > Efectivamente hay un español en el grupo. mi hija Ana tiene 6 años

>y

> > blefarofimosis. Ella es la única en la familia con la alteración.

>de momento

> > no está operada porque su agudeza visula es normal.

> >

> >

> >

> > >From: " marcelayleandro " <marcelayleandro@y...>

> > >Reply-blepharophimosis

> > >blepharophimosis

> > >Subject: blepharophimosis Hi!!

> > >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:27:31 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Hi!! I´m Marcela from Argentina (Leandro´s mum). Is there someone

>who

> > >speeks spanish?

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >

> > >Marcela

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My name is Ashleigh and I'm 21 years old. I've been dealing with

issues with my stomach since January of this year. First it started

out with what seemed like indigestion after eating...I would have

these uncontrollable burping spells for hours after my meals. These

burps were like three seconds long and LOUD. I never went to a doctor

because when all of this started I HATED going to the doctor and did

pretty much anything to avoid it so I figured whatever was going on

would eventually go away on it's own. One day in April (after dealing

with the burps and indigestion for all this time) I developed severe

pain in stomach...it felt like someone was grabbing the organs in my

stomach and just twisting them...it just felt really tight and

uncomfortable. I laid around all day and dealt with the pain, but I

went to my family physician the next day. My doctor said my white

blood cell count was high and I needed to go to the ER right away

because I had appendicitis. I went...had a CT scan done and they said

that my appendix was " slightly inflammed " . The next morning at 6:00AM

I was scheduled for surgery. When I got down to prep for surgery the

surgeon came in to talk to my mother and I and he informed us that I

had a large cyst on my right ovary and that could be the cause for my

pain, but they were going to go ahead and remove my appendix anyway

because it was " slightly inflammed " and while they were inside of me

they would check out the cyst to make sure it was normal. I freaked

out at this point because I didn't want to have surgery when they

didn't even know for sure that I needed it, but I went ahead with it

anyway. I told the doctor about my burping problem and he never

really had much to say about it so I figured maybe after my appendix

was out it would go away (not that there's any relation...but I'm

searching here!) So after my surgery...after recovering...I still had

the burps and discomfort after eating. I went to ANOTHER doctor (not

my family physician) he first gave me prevacid for acid

reflux...didn't work. Next he gave my Bentyl for IBS. He said my

stomach muscles might be moving too fast and this would help slow

them down a little. I took the Bentyl religiously before meals...it

seemed to help a little sometimes, but other times my burps were the

same as they always had been. In September of this year I was at work

and began to have the most awful pain in my side again...it was worse

than ever so I left early and began to drive myself home. I couldn't

even drive I thought I was going to pass out, I eventually pulled

over at some random person's house and had them call an ambulance to

pick me up. They performed another CT scan, Ultrasound, Pelvic

Ultrasound and found nothing other than fluid in my large intestine.

Again my white blood cell count was high but they didn't know what

was wrong with me because I no longer have my appendix (every doctors

answer for pain in the side). I spent three days in the hospital on

Morphine because I couldn't stand to feel the pain. It was the worst

thing I have ever felt in my life. The doctors gave me an antibiotic

and wanted me to wait a day to see if the pain would go away before

they performed exploratory surgery. The pain went away so I left the

hospital withouth having surgery. Nothing was ever diagnosed, the

doctors said I might have had a bacterial infection in my large

intestine (thats where the fluid came from)or maybe the cyst I had on

my ovary back in April had burst. I told them about my burping but

they made no connection. I decided to research on my own and I read

about gallbladder disease...it seems to have a lot in common with

they way I've been feeling so I've been trying to eat a lot better. I

occasionally still have pain in my side after eating certain things

and I still have the burps, but not nearly as much as before. I've

found that eating well helps out a lot. If any of you guys have gone

through something similar to this or know anyone who has let me know!

I'm really confused and frustrated. If doctors can't even tell what's

wrong w/ me what am I supposed to do? I'm tired of living day to day

praying that I don't have pain that's gonna send me to the hospital.

I'm so fed up w/ being scared to eat. I've lost 6 pounds in the past

2 weeks and I feel like I'm withering away. Help me!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Ashleigh,

When you described the twisting of the organs it sure brought back memories. I

was

also in my early 20's when I first started having gall bladder trouble. I don't

know if

you have gall bladder disease or not, but your symptoms sound familiar. I used

to

describe the pain as feeling like someone taking a dish cloth in both hands and

wringing it out. It was awful. The doctors looked at me like I was mentally

unstable

when I'd describe it that way. But that is exactly what it felt like. I also had

some gas,

not a lot. I went to 7 different doctors before being diagnosed as having gall

bladder

disease without stones. The first 6 doctors thought I was too young and skinny

to

have it. I finally found a doctor that listened to the symptoms and didn't care

about

my age or weight and diagnosed me.

Before I was diagnosed, I would drink a Coke and that helped with the gas. My

doctor said it was undigested food sitting in my stomach rotting and that was

producing the gas. EEEUUUUUUU! I would also put a heating pad or hot towel on

my midsection and got a little relief. Now I realize the heat helped with the

muscle

spasm of the gall bladder. I wasn't producing enough bile and the gall bladder

was

trying its best to squeeze out some and that was producing the " twisting,

wringing "

pain. The doctor put me on a pill that had ox bile extract and a narcotic in it.

By this

time I had two little kids at home and couldn't take the narcotic and do a good

job of

mothering them. I found some ox bile at a health food store and took that. It

worked

well. The plain vegetable or fruit papain digestive enzymes did nothing for me.

I also

started eating plain yogurt (no sugar) with live acidophilus culture and took

lecithin in

capsule form. I think the dose was 8 grains. I took one with each meal and

sometimes inbetween. It was a big capsule. I can't find any that big now.

Anyway,

taking the lecithin, ox bile and yogurt helped me.

I tried avoiding all the foods the first 6 doctors told me. Caffiene, tea,

coffee,

chocolate, catsup, spicy food, greasy, fatty food, etc. That didn't help a bit.

The only

food that really helped was spicy, fatty food. Totally opposite of what they

said.

I had the pain for about 8 years before being diagnosed. My poor husband never

got

to choose a restaurant that HE wanted to go to. It always had to be " what my

stomach could handle " . Now we know it wasn't my stomach at all, but my gall

bladder. I never had my gall bladder removed. After getting on the regime that

worked for me for several months the pain stopped. So I stopped the meds, etc.

and

didn't have any more trouble. That was about 30 years ago. I have only recently

started having the same pain again. I'm going back to see what is going on early

next

month.

If you do have gall bladder disease, your abdomen may stay tender for about 6

weeks after a bad attack. Mine sure did.

I hope you find relief soon!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let us know how you are doing.

Kathleen

On 28 Nov 2005 at 17:04, amf10984 wrote:

> I developed severe

> pain in stomach...it felt like someone was grabbing the organs in my

> stomach and just twisting them...it just felt really tight and

> uncomfortable.

[Guest guest]

Yeah...I totally understand what you mean when you say the doctors

looked at you like you were mentally unstable. When I told them it

felt like someone was twisting my organs and wouldn't let go they just

looked at me and said...Ok, Well...could you tell me if the pain is

dull or sharp? I'm like I CAN'T TELL!! All I could feel was a constant

tightening that was extremely painful. None of the doctors have ever

even mentioned gallbladder disease I have just gone out on my own to

find out what's wrong w/ me. I'm not exactly a typical candidate for

the disease since I'm so young and I'm 5'4 " and weigh a healthy weight

of 121. I don't know what's wrong with me, but I can't take it

anymore. Thank you for replying...talking with people who are going

through the same thing really seems to help.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dave for replying!! I am 5'4 " and I weigh 121. I know cysts

aren't normal, but the doc who took out my appendix said that most

women have them and they come and go...if mine came and went it was

typical and for me not to worry a/b it. Now I'll never know if it came

and went or if it came and stayed and then burst! I have sooo many

questions about my body right now and I'm so young! I don't know what

else to do!

[Guest guest]

Also, I know it sounds like I have the symptoms of gallbladder

disease, but I was wondering why I've had so many different tests done

and nothing has been seen? Nothing was seen in CT scan, the

Ultrasound, or the upper GI XRay...nothing has been detected the many

different times I've had blood drawn. Is it just because the doctors

aren't looking for it?? I know they never mentioned it to me so I'm

wondering if they just never checked. I'm just so confused as to why I

feel SO bad all the time and the doctors tell me they can't find

anything wrong w/ me!! It doesn't make any sense!

[Guest guest]

In an older person you would say you need digestive enzymes which

help us digest our food because as we age we make less enzymes at 21

it makes you wonder what is going on with you and thus we must ask

more questions ----what drugs do you take ( birth control pills will

cause cysts for example).

tell us what tests the doctors did---any blood work?

In my group we find young people with stomach issues have thyroid

problems. Digestion is one of the first symptoms in thyroid problems.

You need to look into this get your free t3 and free t4 tests and

autoantibodies test as well.

Do you eat fast, talk while you eat?? drink water when eating--all

of this can cause gas thus burping.

And digestion problems can be something else--celiac disease is

common (allegies to wheat products) will cause this kind of pain and

digestive problems big time!!!!!!

Many of my thyroid people also have celiac--this is something you

must find out if you have.

Celiac is very painful and it will cause the symptoms of a twisting

feeling because your body makes scar tissue when you eat wheat

products.

Read up on this and write down everything you eat especailly when

you have an attack--!!!!!!!!

tina

>

> My name is Ashleigh and I'm 21 years old. I've been dealing with

> issues with my stomach since January of this year. First it

started

> out with what seemed like indigestion after eating...I would have

> these uncontrollable burping spells for hours after my meals.

These

> burps were like three seconds long and LOUD. I never went to a

doctor

> because when all of this started I HATED going to the doctor and

did

> pretty much anything to avoid it so I figured whatever was going

on

> would eventually go away on it's own. One day in April (after

dealing

> with the burps and indigestion for all this time) I developed

severe

> pain in stomach...it felt like someone was grabbing the organs in

my

> stomach and just twisting them...it just felt really tight and

> uncomfortable. I laid around all day and dealt with the pain, but

I

> went to my family physician the next day. My doctor said my white

> blood cell count was high and I needed to go to the ER right away

> because I had appendicitis. I went...had a CT scan done and they

said

> that my appendix was " slightly inflammed " . The next morning at

6:00AM

> I was scheduled for surgery. When I got down to prep for surgery

the

> surgeon came in to talk to my mother and I and he informed us that

I

> had a large cyst on my right ovary and that could be the cause for

my

> pain, but they were going to go ahead and remove my appendix

anyway

> because it was " slightly inflammed " and while they were inside of

me

> they would check out the cyst to make sure it was normal. I

freaked

> out at this point because I didn't want to have surgery when they

> didn't even know for sure that I needed it, but I went ahead with

it

> anyway. I told the doctor about my burping problem and he never

> really had much to say about it so I figured maybe after my

appendix

> was out it would go away (not that there's any relation...but I'm

> searching here!) So after my surgery...after recovering...I still

had

> the burps and discomfort after eating. I went to ANOTHER doctor

(not

> my family physician) he first gave me prevacid for acid

> reflux...didn't work. Next he gave my Bentyl for IBS. He said my

> stomach muscles might be moving too fast and this would help slow

> them down a little. I took the Bentyl religiously before

meals...it

> seemed to help a little sometimes, but other times my burps were

the

> same as they always had been. In September of this year I was at

work

> and began to have the most awful pain in my side again...it was

worse

> than ever so I left early and began to drive myself home. I

couldn't

> even drive I thought I was going to pass out, I eventually pulled

> over at some random person's house and had them call an ambulance

to

> pick me up. They performed another CT scan, Ultrasound, Pelvic

> Ultrasound and found nothing other than fluid in my large

intestine.

> Again my white blood cell count was high but they didn't know what

> was wrong with me because I no longer have my appendix (every

doctors

> answer for pain in the side). I spent three days in the hospital

on

> Morphine because I couldn't stand to feel the pain. It was the

worst

> thing I have ever felt in my life. The doctors gave me an

antibiotic

> and wanted me to wait a day to see if the pain would go away

before

> they performed exploratory surgery. The pain went away so I left

the

> hospital withouth having surgery. Nothing was ever diagnosed, the

> doctors said I might have had a bacterial infection in my large

> intestine (thats where the fluid came from)or maybe the cyst I had

on

> my ovary back in April had burst. I told them about my burping but

> they made no connection. I decided to research on my own and I

read

> about gallbladder disease...it seems to have a lot in common with

> they way I've been feeling so I've been trying to eat a lot

better. I

> occasionally still have pain in my side after eating certain

things

> and I still have the burps, but not nearly as much as before. I've

> found that eating well helps out a lot. If any of you guys have

gone

> through something similar to this or know anyone who has let me

know!

> I'm really confused and frustrated. If doctors can't even tell

what's

> wrong w/ me what am I supposed to do? I'm tired of living day to

day

> praying that I don't have pain that's gonna send me to the

hospital.

> I'm so fed up w/ being scared to eat. I've lost 6 pounds in the

past

> 2 weeks and I feel like I'm withering away. Help me!!

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.celiac.com/index.html

--- In gallstones , " tina83862 " <tina83862@y...>

wrote:

>

> In an older person you would say you need digestive enzymes which

> help us digest our food because as we age we make less enzymes at

21

> it makes you wonder what is going on with you and thus we must ask

> more questions ----what drugs do you take ( birth control pills

will

> cause cysts for example).

>

> tell us what tests the doctors did---any blood work?

>

> In my group we find young people with stomach issues have thyroid

> problems. Digestion is one of the first symptoms in thyroid

problems.

>

> You need to look into this get your free t3 and free t4 tests and

> autoantibodies test as well.

>

> Do you eat fast, talk while you eat?? drink water when eating--all

> of this can cause gas thus burping.

>

> And digestion problems can be something else--celiac disease is

> common (allegies to wheat products) will cause this kind of pain

and

> digestive problems big time!!!!!!

>

> Many of my thyroid people also have celiac--this is something you

> must find out if you have.

>

> Celiac is very painful and it will cause the symptoms of a

twisting

> feeling because your body makes scar tissue when you eat wheat

> products.

>

> Read up on this and write down everything you eat especailly when

> you have an attack--!!!!!!!!

>

> tina

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In gallstones , " amf10984 " <amf10984@y...>

wrote:

> >

> > My name is Ashleigh and I'm 21 years old. I've been dealing with

> > issues with my stomach since January of this year. First it

> started

> > out with what seemed like indigestion after eating...I would

have

> > these uncontrollable burping spells for hours after my meals.

> These

> > burps were like three seconds long and LOUD. I never went to a

> doctor

> > because when all of this started I HATED going to the doctor and

> did

> > pretty much anything to avoid it so I figured whatever was going

> on

> > would eventually go away on it's own. One day in April (after

> dealing

> > with the burps and indigestion for all this time) I developed

> severe

> > pain in stomach...it felt like someone was grabbing the organs

in

> my

> > stomach and just twisting them...it just felt really tight and

> > uncomfortable. I laid around all day and dealt with the pain,

but

> I

> > went to my family physician the next day. My doctor said my

white

> > blood cell count was high and I needed to go to the ER right

away

> > because I had appendicitis. I went...had a CT scan done and they

> said

> > that my appendix was " slightly inflammed " . The next morning at

> 6:00AM

> > I was scheduled for surgery. When I got down to prep for surgery

> the

> > surgeon came in to talk to my mother and I and he informed us

that

> I

> > had a large cyst on my right ovary and that could be the cause

for

> my

> > pain, but they were going to go ahead and remove my appendix

> anyway

> > because it was " slightly inflammed " and while they were inside

of

> me

> > they would check out the cyst to make sure it was normal. I

> freaked

> > out at this point because I didn't want to have surgery when

they

> > didn't even know for sure that I needed it, but I went ahead

with

> it

> > anyway. I told the doctor about my burping problem and he never

> > really had much to say about it so I figured maybe after my

> appendix

> > was out it would go away (not that there's any relation...but

I'm

> > searching here!) So after my surgery...after recovering...I

still

> had

> > the burps and discomfort after eating. I went to ANOTHER doctor

> (not

> > my family physician) he first gave me prevacid for acid

> > reflux...didn't work. Next he gave my Bentyl for IBS. He said my

> > stomach muscles might be moving too fast and this would help

slow

> > them down a little. I took the Bentyl religiously before

> meals...it

> > seemed to help a little sometimes, but other times my burps were

> the

> > same as they always had been. In September of this year I was at

> work

> > and began to have the most awful pain in my side again...it was

> worse

> > than ever so I left early and began to drive myself home. I

> couldn't

> > even drive I thought I was going to pass out, I eventually

pulled

> > over at some random person's house and had them call an

ambulance

> to

> > pick me up. They performed another CT scan, Ultrasound, Pelvic

> > Ultrasound and found nothing other than fluid in my large

> intestine.

> > Again my white blood cell count was high but they didn't know

what

> > was wrong with me because I no longer have my appendix (every

> doctors

> > answer for pain in the side). I spent three days in the hospital

> on

> > Morphine because I couldn't stand to feel the pain. It was the

> worst

> > thing I have ever felt in my life. The doctors gave me an

> antibiotic

> > and wanted me to wait a day to see if the pain would go away

> before

> > they performed exploratory surgery. The pain went away so I left

> the

> > hospital withouth having surgery. Nothing was ever diagnosed,

the

> > doctors said I might have had a bacterial infection in my large

> > intestine (thats where the fluid came from)or maybe the cyst I

had

> on

> > my ovary back in April had burst. I told them about my burping

but

> > they made no connection. I decided to research on my own and I

> read

> > about gallbladder disease...it seems to have a lot in common

with

> > they way I've been feeling so I've been trying to eat a lot

> better. I

> > occasionally still have pain in my side after eating certain

> things

> > and I still have the burps, but not nearly as much as before.

I've

> > found that eating well helps out a lot. If any of you guys have

> gone

> > through something similar to this or know anyone who has let me

> know!

> > I'm really confused and frustrated. If doctors can't even tell

> what's

> > wrong w/ me what am I supposed to do? I'm tired of living day to

> day

> > praying that I don't have pain that's gonna send me to the

> hospital.

> > I'm so fed up w/ being scared to eat. I've lost 6 pounds in the

> past

> > 2 weeks and I feel like I'm withering away. Help me!!

> >

>