Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Tina, I agree with you about exploring all our options. My opinion is definitely go to the ER if you have a fever with an attack. That doesn't mean an automatic removal of the gall bladder, so don't be afraid to go. It does mean something is going on and that needs to be checked out. Then make your decision with all the facts available to you. When I was having frequent gall bladder attacks 30+ years ago my doctor told me I could keep my gall bladder as long as I didn't have a fever and as long as I could stand the pain. I could stand the pain (barely) and never had a fever associated with it. Happily, I still have my gall bladder. I think it was the unsweetened active culture yogurt, lecithin and better eating that did it for me. Just remember that your abdomen will stay tender for 6 weeks after a severe attack. That doesn't mean anything new is going on...it is just the aftermath. It helped me a lot mentally to know that. The best non-food, non-medicinal help to me was a heating pad. I remember seeing a TV program on interesting people back when I was having so much trouble. They interviewed a man in his late 80's that was still active physically. He said that a few years before he had gall bladder trouble and was scheduled to go in to have it removed. He had a couple of weeks before the surgery and needed to have some kind of ditch dug. He decided that after the surgery it would be a long time before he could do that, so he got right to digging it by hand using a shovel. Remember, he was in his 80's. He said he felt so good in no time at all that he went back to his doctor and was re-examined and the doctor allowed him to cancel the surgery. Sooooooo, exercise does help. At least it did this man. Kathleen On 1 Dec 2005 at 4:31, tina83862 wrote: > From many sites it says fever --go to hospital. > > I do believe in the flushing and it does work for many of us--but we > can't or say in every person this is the only way to go. When in > doubt go to the ER. > > tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 I can not tell you what to do because I do not give medical advice I can tell you that I have read many instances were people while doing a flush got a stone caught in the bile duct. This caused much pain and some people went to the hospital and had there gallbladder out. Others simply repeated the flush and the stone came out. I never heard where flushing twice caused more pain. In my opinion the stone gets caught because of improper preparation , not shrinking the stones ahead of time. When I did my second and third flushes the stones were big and the last stone seemed to be the size of my gallbladder. I never had any pain. The safe advice to give would be to go to the ER , since I don't give out medical advice I only can say what I would do and that is to flush and if that did not work then I would go to ER. Castor oil applied to a flannel cloth would keep inflammation down and pull out toxins if it was held by your side. Drinking 1/4 a cup of olive oil with 2 teaspoons of lemon may quickly stop the pain. If your constipated and dont have a frequent bowl movement then drinking 1/4 cup of olive oil with 2 teaspoons of lemon would cause more pain. Kathleen wrote: > Tina, > I agree with you about exploring all our options. My opinion is > definitely go to the ER > if you have a fever with an attack. That doesn't mean an automatic > removal of the > gall bladder, so don't be afraid to go. It does mean something is > going on and that > needs to be checked out. Then make your decision with all the facts > available to you. > > When I was having frequent gall bladder attacks 30+ years ago my > doctor told me I > could keep my gall bladder as long as I didn't have a fever and as > long as I could > stand the pain. I could stand the pain (barely) and never had a fever > associated with > it. Happily, I still have my gall bladder. I think it was the > unsweetened active culture > yogurt, lecithin and better eating that did it for me. > > Just remember that your abdomen will stay tender for 6 weeks after a > severe attack. > That doesn't mean anything new is going on...it is just the aftermath. > It helped me a > lot mentally to know that. > > The best non-food, non-medicinal help to me was a heating pad. > > I remember seeing a TV program on interesting people back when I was > having so > much trouble. They interviewed a man in his late 80's that was still > active physically. > He said that a few years before he had gall bladder trouble and was > scheduled to go > in to have it removed. He had a couple of weeks before the surgery and > needed to > have some kind of ditch dug. He decided that after the surgery it > would be a long > time before he could do that, so he got right to digging it by hand > using a shovel. > Remember, he was in his 80's. He said he felt so good in no time at > all that he went > back to his doctor and was re-examined and the doctor allowed him to > cancel the > surgery. Sooooooo, exercise does help. At least it did this man. > > Kathleen > > On 1 Dec 2005 at 4:31, tina83862 wrote: > > > From many sites it says fever --go to hospital. > > > > I do believe in the flushing and it does work for many of us--but we > > can't or say in every person this is the only way to go. When in > > doubt go to the ER. > > > > tina > > > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > > Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 > > Images: > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ > > To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation > message! > > To Post message: gallstones > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > > Web Sites for more information: > http://CureZone.org > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm > http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html > http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ > > Group page: gallstones > > To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-digest > To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-nomail > To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-normal > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > Have a nice day ! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 , You seem to contradict yourself - on one hand saying you do not give out medical advice, yet you DO give out plenty. by the way - preparation for doing a liver/gall bladder flush is best by Huld 's method, i.e.taking a solution of epsom salts. Epsom salts dilate bile ducts in the liver, making evening large stones pass out painlessly. If pain is experienced during the flush - just take more epsom salts Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote: I can not tell you what to do because I do not give medical advice I can tell you that I have read many instances were people while doing a flush got a stone caught in the bile duct. This caused much pain and some people went to the hospital and had there gallbladder out. Others simply repeated the flush and the stone came out. I never heard where flushing twice caused more pain. In my opinion the stone gets caught because of improper preparation , not shrinking the stones ahead of time. When I did my second and third flushes the stones were big and the last stone seemed to be the size of my gallbladder. I never had any pain. The safe advice to give would be to go to the ER , since I don't give out medical advice I only can say what I would do and that is to flush and if that did not work then I would go to ER. Castor oil applied to a flannel cloth would keep inflammation down and pull out toxins if it was held by your side. Drinking 1/4 a cup of olive oil with 2 teaspoons of lemon may quickly stop the pain. If your constipated and dont have a frequent bowl movement then drinking 1/4 cup of olive oil with 2 teaspoons of lemon would cause more pain. Kathleen wrote: > Tina, > I agree with you about exploring all our options. My opinion is > definitely go to the ER > if you have a fever with an attack. That doesn't mean an automatic > removal of the > gall bladder, so don't be afraid to go. It does mean something is > going on and that > needs to be checked out. Then make your decision with all the facts > available to you. > > When I was having frequent gall bladder attacks 30+ years ago my > doctor told me I > could keep my gall bladder as long as I didn't have a fever and as > long as I could > stand the pain. I could stand the pain (barely) and never had a fever > associated with > it. Happily, I still have my gall bladder. I think it was the > unsweetened active culture > yogurt, lecithin and better eating that did it for me. > > Just remember that your abdomen will stay tender for 6 weeks after a > severe attack. > That doesn't mean anything new is going on...it is just the aftermath. > It helped me a > lot mentally to know that. > > The best non-food, non-medicinal help to me was a heating pad. > > I remember seeing a TV program on interesting people back when I was > having so > much trouble. They interviewed a man in his late 80's that was still > active physically. > He said that a few years before he had gall bladder trouble and was > scheduled to go > in to have it removed. He had a couple of weeks before the surgery and > needed to > have some kind of ditch dug. He decided that after the surgery it > would be a long > time before he could do that, so he got right to digging it by hand > using a shovel. > Remember, he was in his 80's. He said he felt so good in no time at > all that he went > back to his doctor and was re-examined and the doctor allowed him to > cancel the > surgery. Sooooooo, exercise does help. At least it did this man. > > Kathleen > > On 1 Dec 2005 at 4:31, tina83862 wrote: > > > From many sites it says fever --go to hospital. > > > > I do believe in the flushing and it does work for many of us--but we > > can't or say in every person this is the only way to go. When in > > doubt go to the ER. > > > > tina > > > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > > Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 > > Images: > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ > > To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation > message! > > To Post message: gallstones > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > > Web Sites for more information: > http://CureZone.org > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm > http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html > http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ > > Group page: gallstones > > To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-digest > To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-nomail > To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-normal > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > Have a nice day ! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I do not give out medical advice because I do not have a license to practice medicine but I can give testimony of what I seen and heard and my own experiences. But it is not medical advice because I am not a licensed doctor and any type of self treatment without medical advice is done at your own risk. In this world you have to know how to play the game. Liz Sapareto wrote: > , > You seem to contradict yourself - on one hand saying you do not give > out medical advice, yet you DO give out plenty. by the way - > preparation for doing a liver/gall bladder flush is best by Huld > 's method, i.e.taking a solution of epsom salts. Epsom salts > dilate bile ducts in the liver, making evening large stones pass out > painlessly. If pain is experienced during the flush - just take more > epsom salts > > Belskis <brian0017@...> wrote: > I can not tell you what to do because I do not give medical advice > > I can tell you that I have read many instances were people while > doing a flush got a stone caught in the bile duct. This caused > much pain and some people went to the hospital and had there > gallbladder out. Others simply repeated the flush and the stone > came out. I never heard where flushing twice caused more pain. > In my opinion the stone gets caught because of improper > preparation , not shrinking the stones ahead of time. When I did my > second and third flushes the stones were big and the last stone seemed > to be the size of my gallbladder. I never had any pain. The safe > advice to give would be to go to the ER , since I don't give out > medical advice I only can say what I would do and that is to flush > and if that did not work then I would go to ER. Castor oil applied to > a flannel cloth would keep inflammation down and pull out toxins > if it was held by your side. Drinking 1/4 a cup of olive oil with 2 > teaspoons of lemon may quickly stop > the pain. If your constipated and dont have a frequent bowl movement > then drinking 1/4 cup of olive oil with 2 teaspoons of lemon would > cause more pain. > > > > > > Kathleen wrote: > > > Tina, > > I agree with you about exploring all our options. My opinion is > > definitely go to the ER > > if you have a fever with an attack. That doesn't mean an automatic > > removal of the > > gall bladder, so don't be afraid to go. It does mean something is > > going on and that > > needs to be checked out. Then make your decision with all the facts > > available to you. > > > > When I was having frequent gall bladder attacks 30+ years ago my > > doctor told me I > > could keep my gall bladder as long as I didn't have a fever and as > > long as I could > > stand the pain. I could stand the pain (barely) and never had a fever > > associated with > > it. Happily, I still have my gall bladder. I think it was the > > unsweetened active culture > > yogurt, lecithin and better eating that did it for me. > > > > Just remember that your abdomen will stay tender for 6 weeks after a > > severe attack. > > That doesn't mean anything new is going on...it is just the aftermath. > > It helped me a > > lot mentally to know that. > > > > The best non-food, non-medicinal help to me was a heating pad. > > > > I remember seeing a TV program on interesting people back when I was > > having so > > much trouble. They interviewed a man in his late 80's that was still > > active physically. > > He said that a few years before he had gall bladder trouble and was > > scheduled to go > > in to have it removed. He had a couple of weeks before the surgery and > > needed to > > have some kind of ditch dug. He decided that after the surgery it > > would be a long > > time before he could do that, so he got right to digging it by hand > > using a shovel. > > Remember, he was in his 80's. He said he felt so good in no time at > > all that he went > > back to his doctor and was re-examined and the doctor allowed him to > > cancel the > > surgery. Sooooooo, exercise does help. At least it did this man. > > > > Kathleen > > > > On 1 Dec 2005 at 4:31, tina83862 wrote: > > > > > From many sites it says fever --go to hospital. > > > > > > I do believe in the flushing and it does work for many of us--but we > > > can't or say in every person this is the only way to go. When in > > > doubt go to the ER. > > > > > > tina > > > > > > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 > > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 > > > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > > > > Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 > > > > Images: > > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ > > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ > > > > To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: > > gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation > > message! > > > > To Post message: gallstones > > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > > > > Web Sites for more information: > > http://CureZone.org > > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm > > http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html > > http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ > > > > Group page: gallstones > > > > To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: > > gallstones-digest > > To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: > > gallstones-nomail > > To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: > > gallstones-normal > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > > Gallstones group on 's groups. 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