Re: What does having a gall bladder problem mean?

December 18, 2005

bleecker2000 wrote

Kids have gallstones You have gallstones , you can remove them doing

a liver flush

You dont have to have surgery or have your gallbladder removed. I

did 3 liver flushes to remove gallstones and I never had a

gallbladder attack an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I am also sure it is much easier to do a liver flush if your not

in pain from a gallbladder attack or inflammation. One reason I

wanted to do a liver flush was because i wanted to have the metabolism

I had when I was 25. Where I would not gain 5 pounds for smelling a

choclate cake.

:

> I had what I believe was my first gall bladder attack about 14 years

> ago. I spent a large part

> of the day and the entire night in the ER and then a hospital ward.

> Although I had every test

> done, nothing was found. Looking back now I think what I had was a

> stone caught in a bile

> duct since the attack lasted more then 12 hours. Anyway, I made some

> adjustments with my

> diet and life continued and I didn't have any problems for at least

> another 5 or 6 years when I

> suffered a much smaller attack. A few hours, no aftermath to speak of.

> Life continued with a

> few close calls and one or two very small " events " until a couple of

> months ago when I had

> my second big one. I had a low fever and lots of pain. The attack

> itself lasted many hours but

> the aftermathor intense soreness lasted about a week. This time the

> ultrasound did indicate

> gall stones. I went to see a specialist surgeon who of course told me

> I should have the

> surgery. He said I didn't need to right away but should do it as soon

> as my schedule allows. I

> have no pain, no soreness etc. I'm macrobiotic and have been for half

> dozen years. I also

> work out a few days a week. I'm neither a smoker or drinker so there's

> no radical lifestyle

> changes I need to make to adjust to my gall bladder trouble. I'm just

> wondering in the

> scheme of things, compared to the typical case, would I even be

> considered someone who

> has gall bladder problems? Do most suffer attacks very frequently? How

> frequent and how

> long are these attacks? I want to know where my case fits on a 1 to 10

> scale. It will help me

> determine if I should proceed with the surgery or just try and keep

> stress free and continue

> my life as it is now ?

>

> Can anyone enlighten me?

>

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December 18, 2005

I don't know if my history will help you since everyone's story is different.

Here goes...

I had horrible attacks for nearly 10 years, starting in my very early 20's. I

went to

several different doctors over that span of time. All but the last doctor

couldn't/didn't

diagnose me properly. I didn't fit the " profile " . I was young and skinny.

However, the

last doctor did diagnose me. To make a long story short, he gave me a

prescription

that contained ox bile enzymes and a narcotic in one tablet. That made a

wonderful

difference in my pain level, but I had small children to care for and didn't

want the

narcotic. I found ox bile enzymes alone in the only health food store in town.

That

worked well for me. The plant based enzymes did not help at all. I also started

eating

yogurt with live cultures and no sugar. Eventually I found lecithin capsules.

The ox

bile, yogurt and lecithin did wonders for me.

After going to this doctor several times with horrible, painful attacks he told

me I

could keep my gall bladder as long as I could stand the pain and didn't have a

fever.

I never had a fever with any of the attacks. Nausea and vomiting sometimes,

though.

I went home and thought about what he said. After a few months I realized how

much I was missing out on in the children's lives due to my pain. Remember this

had

been going on for nearly 10 years. Sometimes horrible, sometimes mild attacks,

but I

never knew if I'd be well one day and at " death's door " the next. My abdomen

would

stay sore for 6 weeks after a bad attack. My gall bladder ruled my life. I

talked about

it with my husband and we agreed I would have it out at Christmas time when he

would be able to help me more with the children after the surgery. After

deciding that

and getting the anxiety out of the way, my gall bladder calmed down so much that

I

didn't have it out that Christmas or any other Christmas. I mentally kept the

option

open, but never used it. I still have my gall bladder.

At about age 32 my gall bladder pain stopped completely. Fast forward about 20

years. I was still going to the same doctor. He put me on Vioxx for arthritis. I

took it

for several weeks and then, Bam! out of nowhere I had a moderately severe gall

bladder attack. Vioxx is/was noted for digestive side effects. I stopped taking

Vioxx

as soon as the pain hit. I immediately went to my doctor and had an ultrasound

done.

No gall stones were found. Fast forward another 4-5 years and I didn't have any

more attacks until just a few weeks ago. I am on no medication whatsoever right

now. I don't even take a multiple vitamin or calcium supplements. No aspirin,

ibuprofen, no-nothing. I have started having mild episodes of gall bladder pain

again.

I've started taking lecithin and eating more yogurt again. Only now I can't find

any in

my small town that doesn't have some added sugar. I can't find any ox bile

supplements either. I guess they don't make them anymore. I haven't searched the

internet for them, though.

I didn't even bother to go have another ultrasound done with my last attack. I

know I

do NOT want to have my gall bladder removed unless absolutely necessary. And

someone is going to have to do a lot of talking to convince me to do it. I will

do all I

can to avoid surgery of any kind. I am in a wait and see mode right now about

the

surgery and even the flush. I've never taken epsom salt before. I have had

mighty

weird reactions to prescription drugs in the past and am leery of trying

anything new.

I am definitely going to try the ginger root tea that mentioned today. I

don't

know when I can find ginger root, but I will look for it and buy some when I see

it.

I had what I considered a LOT of gall bladder trouble for 10 years, but got by

without

having it removed. I can stand a lot of pain. Then went 20 years with no trouble

and

had a moderately bad attack, then another 5 or so more years with no trouble

whatsoever before having several mild attacks. I'm not in a whole lot of agony

this

time around either. I did see my doctor recently. He advised that I have another

ultrasound. I told him no gall stones were found the last time and I wasn't in

enough

pain to warrant that in my mind. He said I could wait to see what develops. He's

in no

hurry to do surgery. He did say that everyone or maybe he said nearly everyone

has

gall stones. It's just a matter of whether they get caught in the bile duct and

cause

pain or not.

The internet hadn't been invented when I first had trouble, so when it hit this

time I

headed straight for and found this group and joined. I've learned a

lot

here. So, there's my story. I hope you can find something in it to help you.

I'll be happy to help you any way I can, but I don't know much about the flushes

like

some of the folks on this list.

I hope you feel better soon! Let us hear from you again.

Kathleen

On 17 Dec 2005 at 22:54, bleecker2000 wrote:

> I'm just wondering in the

> scheme of things, compared to the typical case, would I even be considered

someone who

> has gall bladder problems? Do most suffer attacks very frequently? How

frequent and how

> long are these attacks? I want to know where my case fits on a 1 to 10 scale.

It will help me

> determine if I should proceed with the surgery or just try and keep stress

free and continue

> my life as it is now ?

>

> Can anyone enlighten me?

>

December 19, 2005

Hi,

Don't have the surgery! You have a gallbladder for a reason!

I know it may be hard to believe, but I think I'm in pain 24/7 bc of my

gallbladder. I did the gallbladder flush and my pain was " zapped " away. It's

great! I was 15 when they told me to have it removed and i was like no way! I'm

now 21 and I am doing the gallbladder flush next week. It's worth a try.

It sounds like you're pains are bad, so you may want to try GCG tincture before

the flush. It's available at sensiblehealth.com. Expensive, but it's worth it.

Best,

shefy

bleecker2000 <stevel3474@...> wrote: I had what I believe was my first

gall bladder attack about 14 years ago. I spent a large part

of the day and the entire night in the ER and then a hospital ward. Although I

had every test

done, nothing was found. Looking back now I think what I had was a stone caught

in a bile

duct since the attack lasted more then 12 hours. Anyway, I made some

adjustments with my

diet and life continued and I didn't have any problems for at least another 5

or 6 years when I

suffered a much smaller attack. A few hours, no aftermath to speak of. Life

continued with a

few close calls and one or two very small " events " until a couple of months ago

when I had

my second big one. I had a low fever and lots of pain. The attack itself lasted

many hours but

the aftermathor intense soreness lasted about a week. This time the ultrasound

did indicate

gall stones. I went to see a specialist surgeon who of course told me I should

have the

surgery. He said I didn't need to right away but should do it as soon as my

schedule allows. I

have no pain, no soreness etc. I'm macrobiotic and have been for half dozen

years. I also

work out a few days a week. I'm neither a smoker or drinker so there's no

radical lifestyle

changes I need to make to adjust to my gall bladder trouble. I'm just wondering

in the

scheme of things, compared to the typical case, would I even be considered

someone who

has gall bladder problems? Do most suffer attacks very frequently? How frequent

and how

long are these attacks? I want to know where my case fits on a 1 to 10 scale.

It will help me

determine if I should proceed with the surgery or just try and keep stress free

and continue

my life as it is now ?

Can anyone enlighten me?

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December 19, 2005

The page that Amy posted http://www.108pages.com/ helps to understand

that you are what you eat and if your change your diet your body

chemistry changes. That is why when people try something 1 time and do

not stick with it they will go on searching and searching and never

come to understand there body , nature and how we are designed to work.

The Ox bile ensymes may have worked for a while but would more then

likely have side effects that negate any good that it does.

I commend you for getting off all the medication it is the biggest

step to bringing your body chemistry the way it was when you were healthy.

Most of my life I was a meat eater , process foods and coffee drinker

I worked around harmful chemicals and I used flouride toothpaste ,

drank flouridated water , I have two mercury/ silver fillings in my

mouth.

The decisions I do are not just to stop symptoms from appearing or

to remove symptoms. I did three liver flushes because I know that it

will increase my bodys ability to digest food , flush out toxins out

of my body and return my body to a better state of health.

Regardless if it stops my big toe from hurting or not it is a step

towards better health. Not getting metal fillings in my mouth and

haveing the ones in my mouth removed is a step towards better health.

Reducing my meat intake and stopping meat eating when I am sick is

a step towards better health . Not using a particular shamppoo also

is a step

towards better health and reducing the toxins that I come accross in

my environment.

I like the 108 pages because when you do the 21-40 day orange fast it

taught me how my body works and what is stopping my body from healing.

If your at the mercy of doctors , health workers, pharmacists for

your own health there is no empowerment, no understanding and usually

depression when your health fails. But when you learn that your body

is what heals itself and what you need to do to help it heal and what

you need to abstain from in order to make it heal thats empowerment.

First thing is when a Doctor tells you there is no cure for a disease

what he is telling you is He does not have a cure for a disease (and

perhaps orthodox medicine he represents) and he is not God to limit

others from haveing a cure he just dont know about it or it might not

be in his financial best intrests to know about the cure.

I recommend this website http://www.108pages.com/

Kathleen wrote:

> I don't know if my history will help you since everyone's story is

> different. Here goes...

>

> I had horrible attacks for nearly 10 years, starting in my very early

> 20's. I went to

> several different doctors over that span of time. All but the last

> doctor couldn't/didn't

> diagnose me properly. I didn't fit the " profile " . I was young and

> skinny. However, the

> last doctor did diagnose me. To make a long story short, he gave me a

> prescription

> that contained ox bile enzymes and a narcotic in one tablet. That made

> a wonderful

> difference in my pain level, but I had small children to care for and

> didn't want the

> narcotic. I found ox bile enzymes alone in the only health food store

> in town. That

> worked well for me. The plant based enzymes did not help at all. I

> also started eating

> yogurt with live cultures and no sugar. Eventually I found lecithin

> capsules. The ox

> bile, yogurt and lecithin did wonders for me.

>

> After going to this doctor several times with horrible, painful

> attacks he told me I

> could keep my gall bladder as long as I could stand the pain and

> didn't have a fever.

> I never had a fever with any of the attacks. Nausea and vomiting

> sometimes, though.

>

> I went home and thought about what he said. After a few months I

> realized how

> much I was missing out on in the children's lives due to my pain.

> Remember this had

> been going on for nearly 10 years. Sometimes horrible, sometimes mild

> attacks, but I

> never knew if I'd be well one day and at " death's door " the next. My

> abdomen would

> stay sore for 6 weeks after a bad attack. My gall bladder ruled my

> life. I talked about

> it with my husband and we agreed I would have it out at Christmas time

> when he

> would be able to help me more with the children after the surgery.

> After deciding that

> and getting the anxiety out of the way, my gall bladder calmed down so

> much that I

> didn't have it out that Christmas or any other Christmas. I mentally

> kept the option

> open, but never used it. I still have my gall bladder.

>

> At about age 32 my gall bladder pain stopped completely. Fast forward

> about 20

> years. I was still going to the same doctor. He put me on Vioxx for

> arthritis. I took it

> for several weeks and then, Bam! out of nowhere I had a moderately

> severe gall

> bladder attack. Vioxx is/was noted for digestive side effects. I

> stopped taking Vioxx

> as soon as the pain hit. I immediately went to my doctor and had an

> ultrasound done.

> No gall stones were found. Fast forward another 4-5 years and I didn't

> have any

> more attacks until just a few weeks ago. I am on no medication

> whatsoever right

> now. I don't even take a multiple vitamin or calcium supplements. No

> aspirin,

> ibuprofen, no-nothing. I have started having mild episodes of gall

> bladder pain again.

> I've started taking lecithin and eating more yogurt again. Only now I

> can't find any in

> my small town that doesn't have some added sugar. I can't find any ox

> bile

> supplements either. I guess they don't make them anymore. I haven't

> searched the

> internet for them, though.

>

> I didn't even bother to go have another ultrasound done with my last

> attack. I know I

> do NOT want to have my gall bladder removed unless absolutely

> necessary. And

> someone is going to have to do a lot of talking to convince me to do

> it. I will do all I

> can to avoid surgery of any kind. I am in a wait and see mode right

> now about the

> surgery and even the flush. I've never taken epsom salt before. I have

> had mighty

> weird reactions to prescription drugs in the past and am leery of

> trying anything new.

> I am definitely going to try the ginger root tea that mentioned

> today. I don't

> know when I can find ginger root, but I will look for it and buy some

> when I see it.

>

> I had what I considered a LOT of gall bladder trouble for 10 years,

> but got by without

> having it removed. I can stand a lot of pain. Then went 20 years with

> no trouble and

> had a moderately bad attack, then another 5 or so more years with no

> trouble

> whatsoever before having several mild attacks. I'm not in a whole lot

> of agony this

> time around either. I did see my doctor recently. He advised that I

> have another

> ultrasound. I told him no gall stones were found the last time and I

> wasn't in enough

> pain to warrant that in my mind. He said I could wait to see what

> develops. He's in no

> hurry to do surgery. He did say that everyone or maybe he said nearly

> everyone has

> gall stones. It's just a matter of whether they get caught in the bile

> duct and cause

> pain or not.

>

> The internet hadn't been invented when I first had trouble, so when it

> hit this time I

> headed straight for and found this group and joined. I've

> learned a lot

> here. So, there's my story. I hope you can find something in it to

> help you.

>

> I'll be happy to help you any way I can, but I don't know much about

> the flushes like

> some of the folks on this list.

>

> I hope you feel better soon! Let us hear from you again.

>

> Kathleen

>

> On 17 Dec 2005 at 22:54, bleecker2000 wrote:

>

> > I'm just wondering in the

> > scheme of things, compared to the typical case, would I even be

> considered someone who

> > has gall bladder problems? Do most suffer attacks very frequently?

> How frequent and how

> > long are these attacks? I want to know where my case fits on a 1 to

> 10 scale. It will help me

> > determine if I should proceed with the surgery or just try and keep

> stress free and continue

> > my life as it is now ?

> >

> > Can anyone enlighten me?

> >

>

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December 19, 2005

Thanks Kathleen. Your story was of interest to me since it does explain how many

have

attacks spread far apart but nevertheless are also considered " symptomatic " as

long as a

single attack has been the case. I have no daily pain, no pain to even speak of

except when

I have an attack which doesn't happen but perhaps once a year or once every few

years. I

suppose its just the idea that at any time an attack could happen that is the

problem.

Unless there's some way to instantly get it under control, that feeling of dread

that

happens when you know what's coming as an attack begins is about the worst thing

I can

think of and almost enough to push me into doing the laproscopy. But I would

like to try a

few possible alternatives. I'm not sure at all about the flush and using

lecithan seems to

cause a soreness in my GB that concerns me. I'm macrobiotic so I rarely eat very

fatty

foods. It seems like its merely the luck of the draw whether you experience an

attack or

not - if a stone you have for some unknown reason drifts into the bile duct for

awhile, you

have an attack, and then just as suddenly drifts back out, the attack ends. Same

thing may

happen the next day or maybe not for another ten years, or maybe even never. Is

that the

case? I've been told I can bet on having another attack - but is that really a

fact? Does

everyone have more and more attacks after they have their first ?

>

> > I'm just wondering in the

> > scheme of things, compared to the typical case, would I even be considered

someone

who

> > has gall bladder problems? Do most suffer attacks very frequently? How

frequent and

how

> > long are these attacks? I want to know where my case fits on a 1 to 10

scale. It will

help me

> > determine if I should proceed with the surgery or just try and keep stress

free and

continue

> > my life as it is now ?

> >

> > Can anyone enlighten me?

> >

>

December 19, 2005

On 19 Dec 2005 at 22:45, bleecker2000 wrote:

> Thanks Kathleen. Your story was of interest to me

You're very welcome.

> It seems like its merely the luck of the draw whether you experience an attack

or

> not

That's the way it was for me when I was experiencing so many attacks. Sometimes

after a no-fat snack I'd have an attack, but no attack after a high-fat meal. I

could

never figure it out.

> and then just as suddenly drifts back out, the attack ends. Same thing may

> happen the next day or maybe not for another ten years, or maybe even never.

Is that the

> case?

That has been my experience and I've heard of others with the same history. Of

course, I have also heard of people that have one attack and have their gall

bladder

removed immediately.

I've been told I can bet on having another attack - but is that really a fact?

I don't think so at all. It is not a definite, for sure, take-it-to-the-bank

kind of thing at

all. Maybe you will, maybe you won't.

Does

> everyone have more and more attacks after they have their first ?

No.

For a little trivia for the day, I know a woman who had an ultrasound when she

was

95 and they found a gall stone that nearly filled her entire gall bladder and

yet she

has never had a twinge of pain. They were looking for something else when they

found that. The doctor advised letting it stay since she didn't have any

symptoms.

Two years later she still hasn't had any problems and still has her gall

bladder.

Kathleen

December 20, 2005

Yes Kathleen, much of what you describe could be my story as well ..

which all means that many people opt for the surgery just to avoid

reliving the attack, even though, they may never experience another

attack again.

This last attack I recently had - Halloween - had to be more from

stress. I'm macrobiotic so my diet is basically fish, veggies and

fruit - no bread, lots of soy. If I just had to worry about eating to

avoid ever having an attack again, I wouldn't worry, but its not just

about food. Its also about stress or so it seems. I was in a bad

relationship with someone and had many close calls during that period.

Once that relationship ended, I had no gall bladder symptoms to speak

of for half dozen years.

I'm still not prepared to do a flush and because of that I think I'd

be so paranoid, that the stress of it would bring on an attack. That's

my biggest worry . . .

December 20, 2005

I hear ya! Stress most definitely plays a part.

Kathleen

On 20 Dec 2005 at 2:50, bleecker2000 wrote:

> I'm still not prepared to do a flush and because of that I think I'd

> be so paranoid, that the stress of it would bring on an attack. That's

> my biggest worry . . .

>

December 20, 2005

why such a large dose of anxiety? Are you afraid to fly also and swim im the

ocean after you have eaten?

Kathleen <KathleenPL@...> wrote: I hear ya! Stress most definitely

plays a part.

Kathleen

On 20 Dec 2005 at 2:50, bleecker2000 wrote:

> I'm still not prepared to do a flush and because of that I think I'd

> be so paranoid, that the stress of it would bring on an attack. That's

> my biggest worry . . .

>

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Jay,

If I've said something to offend you, I'm sorry. I don't know what I did to

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an attack. I am here to learn, not to offend.

I do know that stress plays a part in having gall bladder attacks.

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On 19 Dec 2005 at 19:06, Jay Grosflam wrote:

> why such a large dose of anxiety? Are you afraid to fly also and swim im the

ocean after you have eaten?

>

December 20, 2005

I did not attack you, relax, you seem touchy.

Kathleen <KathleenPL@...> wrote: Jay,

If I've said something to offend you, I'm sorry. I don't know what I did to

provoke such

an attack. I am here to learn, not to offend.

I do know that stress plays a part in having gall bladder attacks.

Kathleen

On 19 Dec 2005 at 19:06, Jay Grosflam wrote:

> why such a large dose of anxiety? Are you afraid to fly also and swim im the

ocean after you have eaten?

>

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Are you this rude to small children on their first day of school, or perhaps to

a patient before a surgery? Why would you poke fun at someone who is nervous

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Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: why such a large dose of anxiety?

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Kathleen <KathleenPL@...> wrote: I hear ya! Stress most definitely

plays a part.

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On 20 Dec 2005 at 2:50, bleecker2000 wrote:

> I'm still not prepared to do a flush and because of that I think I'd

> be so paranoid, that the stress of it would bring on an attack. That's

> my biggest worry . . .

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Jay,

Is there any question that stress plays a part of bringing on a gall

bladder attack? It certainly does in my case. I've heard and read

enough on the negative side about flushing with olive oil to be plenty

anxious about it. The very last thing I want to do is help bring on an

attack. Sure, I'd like all of this to be behind me, but right now I'm

just fine. I have no pain, no problems do I really want to be fooling

with things? Perhaps it'll be 10 years before I have another attack or

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> > I'm still not prepared to do a flush and because of that I think I'd

> > be so paranoid, that the stress of it would bring on an attack.

That's

> > my biggest worry . . .

> >

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I couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks.

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On 20 Dec 2005 at 16:07, bleecker2000 wrote:

> Jay,

>

> Is there any question that stress plays a part of bringing on a gall

> bladder attack? It certainly does in my case. I've heard and read

> enough on the negative side about flushing with olive oil to be plenty

> anxious about it. The very last thing I want to do is help bring on an

> attack. Sure, I'd like all of this to be behind me, but right now I'm

> just fine. I have no pain, no problems do I really want to be fooling

> with things? Perhaps it'll be 10 years before I have another attack or

> maybe I'll never have another attack. Point is, just like some people

> are symptomatic while others aren't although both sides may hactually

> have stones - some may benefit from a flush while others may make

> matters worse. It seems once again that the flush like everything else

> connected to the gall bladder is a matter of luck ... some will be

> lucky while others may not and I for one, at least for now, need to

> read more, learn more, feel more comfortable about going down that road.

December 20, 2005

Hey, I wouldn't stress out too much about it......that being said, it took

me a solid year to muster up the courage to do my first flush. I've done

about 6 since my first and each time I feel better and better. It's really

not that big of a deal, however, drinking the ES and olive oil does get

harder and harder for me each time I do a flush. Go figure.

Tara

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