Re: Bicarbonate Soda

[Guest guest]

The followers of the Atkins diet and other low carb diets have said all along that following a low carb diet reduces the risk of cancer. This therefore does make a lot of sense if one puts the two things together.

Fungus is a yeast and sugar feeds yeast (so all bread makers will know).

Lilian

The point is that they are finding cancer is caused by a fungus - a funguslike candidiasis and they are finding that bicarbonate of soda is curingthese cancers - curing the fungus

[Guest guest]

The only trouble is that low carb diets such as the Atkins are causing

kidney problems. I know of several women who have done the Atkins and

have suffered with Cystitis and other kidney infections for months

afterwards.

Glynis

> The followers of the Atkins diet and other low carb diets have said

all along that following a low carb diet reduces the risk of

cancer. This therefore does make a lot of sense if one puts the two

things together.

>

[Guest guest]

I think the problem with Atkins is the high meat intake involved. The

toxins from meat which moves very slowly through the bowel I hear

creates a lot of toxic stuff which of course our liver and kidneys

have to eliminate.

Bicarb, interesting, would maybe solve the gut problem I am having at

the moment, I used it for acid before but i am going to put it in with

my sea salt from now on, see what happens

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Some people with kidney disease are better on a low protein diet, but

a high protein diet doesn't cause kidney disease. Those experiments

showing problems with high protein were carried out on rabbits

(herbivores!). Besides which, natural foods were not used, but

protein powder - known to be problematic anyway.

Perhaps your acquaintances were consuming too many acidic foods such

as fruit, or foods high in tyrosine, tyramine, tryptophan or

aspartate. There is a comprehensive list of what to avoid in Dr

Larrian Gillespie's excellent book " You don't have to live with

cystitis " (page 244).

Miriam

>

> The only trouble is that low carb diets such as the Atkins are

causing kidney problems. I know of several women who have done the

Atkins and have suffered with Cystitis and other kidney infections for

months afterwards.

>

> Glynis

[Guest guest]

It looks like you haven't heard of Vilhjalmur Stefansson and Karsten

who, in the 1930s, who were fine after spending a whole year

eating nothing but meat, being observed by scientists.

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

You have to eat sufficient fat to avoid " rabbit starvation " :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

That idea about toxins from meat moving slowly through the bowel is a

myth. Humans are omnivores and can cope perfectly well with meat.

In fact, some people go so far as to say we are not equipped to handle

much fibre:

http://www.fibermenace.com/

Miriam

>

> I think the problem with Atkins is the high meat intake involved. The

> toxins from meat which moves very slowly through the bowel I hear

> creates a lot of toxic stuff which of course our liver and kidneys

> have to eliminate.

>

> Bicarb, interesting,

> Dawnx

>

[Guest guest]

I have been on protein and carbs three times a day also with three

snacks a day. This is doing me no harm in fact I am feeling the best

I have been in well over a decade.

I am following a low glycemic diet with meat at breakfast, lunch and

dinner combined with lots of veggies, berries, egg, cheese, yogurt,

milk,porridge, small amount of bread(1 english muffin or two slices

pumperickel bread per day at most. My snacks are a combo of frozen

berries with yoghurt, nuts, seeds, peanut butter on celery, cheese

slice. And lots of water, some green Tea, rarely coffee.

I have cut out all pastry items, pre-processed foods, chips - I might

have 5 or 6 fries once in a blue moon. Cutting out the pre-processed

stuff and anything that contains sugar has been a saviour for me both

in weight control and blood sugar control.

I have been on this now for five months and I highly recommend it.

I firmly believe that eating sensibly and cutting out the processed

and heavily sugared foods is what helps to keep cancer away.

I've looked at some of the Atkins products, energy bars and drinks

and mostly didn't like them however their chocolate protein/carb

drink I find very good. I don't hae one every day but if I am going

out and will be late getting an evening meal the one can come in very

handy.

As with everything its a balance that counts.

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>

> The only trouble is that low carb diets such as the Atkins are

causing

> kidney problems. I know of several women who have done the Atkins

and

> have suffered with Cystitis and other kidney infections for months

> afterwards.

>

> Glynis

>

>

>

> > The followers of the Atkins diet and other low carb diets have

said

> all along that following a low carb diet reduces the risk of

> cancer. This therefore does make a lot of sense if one puts the

two

> things together.

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Its funny that as my Gran used to give me bicab (as she called it)

with water when I had a funny tum as a child. You know what they say

about old remedies.

Luv

>

> Hi

> The point is that they are finding cancer is caused by a fungus - a

fungus

> like candidiasis and they are finding that bicarbonate of soda is curing

> these cancers - curing the fungus. Candida is a fungus, and it is

possible

> that bicarbonate of soda will be all that you need to cure your

candida. If

> this is fact, this is a wonderful discovery.

>

> I have sent this information to Dr Peatfield to see what he thinks

> Bicarbonate of soda is one of the most powerful antifungicides there

is. It

> makes such sense to me.

>

> What an amazing discovery if this doctor is correct.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> >Very interesting bob, really hope I havent got cancer though!

>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So if people get kidney disease from eating chicken salad, with

strawberries, or ham omelette with tomatoes and mushrooms, or roast

beef, cauliflower and sprouts, with melon etc. then I think they would

have had it whatever they ate. To do Atkins properly is

healthy...........

And that sounds delicious. I obviously fell for what my dietician told

me . I should have known, because Noah had to eat a lot of meat

after the flood and the initial plantlife would have been sparce. God

gave it to us for food so it must be fine with a few veggies every

day. He designed us so he knows what is best He did not say eat

loadsa sugar its good for you lol.

I was going to try Atkins once but it was such a long book and seemed

so complex, the only way I could think of doing it was eating just

meat, fish and green veggies, which to be honest is pretty much how I

always dieted anyway. It had been long noted by the generations in our

family that starch and sugar made you fat.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

''For I count in fish when I speak of living on meat'',

From the bible site,

I disagree with that because I spent a year eating no meat and

replacing it with fish an veggies and I felt much more fantastic than

I ever did with a meaty diet. No idea why, (perhaps it is all the

minerals from the water).

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hello Miriam,

Thank you.

I've just had a look on Amazon at the Life without Bread book and was

so interested by the few pages I read that I have gone ahead and

bought it.

It was my Dr here in the US who told me I must change my diet eating

carbs and protein at every meal/snack to control my hypoglycemia and

hyperinsulinism. It would also control my weight, she said - how

right she was.

I do not fully understand exactly how it all works but followed her

guidelines to the letter including some fruits not to eat and I am so

glad I did.

Over the past four months I have been reading anything I can lay my

hands on to understand what my problem is and how to counter it. I

think this book may well be another piece in the jigsaw puzzle.

I am also finding that my husband is showing interest in my new diet

and he's beginning to follow some of the things I am doing - which is

good news. I read a small piece in the excerpt of the book that I

think may be very relevant to him; so when I am finished reading it I

will pass the book over and talk to him about it. He certainly needs

to lose weight around the middle (who doesn't!).

Unlike you I do not count carbs I just eat what seems right and so

far so good but it would do me no harm to think about total carbs

that I eat on a daily basis. And I also noticed from the excerpt

that adding in some of those 'forbidden' carbs a tiny bit a day

should do you know harm...... interesting as I have recently added

back in some foods that I took out just to see how I went.

In most cases all was fine but I noticed with a cranberry & orange

scone it left me with a quite sharp headache some hours later. I

suspect the highly processed nature of this store bought item is just

too high in sugars, white flours etc. I might try making my own one

day to see if these are any better for me.

Funnily enough I now find on this diet that I am not craving sweet

things, nor do I need to eat huge amounts - the amounts of food I do

eat satisfies me. And if I get peckish I just reach for some nuts or

a little cheese and cracker and that does it.

anyway enough from me thanks again

............

>

> I believe following a low carb diet is an important aspect of

> restoring correct body function. I hope you are interested to

> understand why you are feeling so much better! :-)

>

> Miriam

>

[Guest guest]

>

> The only trouble is that low carb diets such as the Atkins are

> causing kidney problems.

Phooey. Atkins healed my kidney problems, and those of others that I

know.

Rosiebint

[Guest guest]

> I've looked at some of the Atkins products, energy bars and drinks

> and mostly didn't like them

The Atkins bars, and the general low-carb snack food products, I call

enfoods.

In my opinion, good food is food that goes bad. Food should be eaten

fresh, not processed & chemicalled. But that's a whole nother rant!

Rosiebint

[Guest guest]

> So if people get kidney disease from eating chicken salad, with

strawberries, or ham omelette with tomatoes and mushrooms, or roast

beef, cauliflower and sprouts, with melon etc. then I think they would

have had it whatever they ate. To do Atkins properly is healthy.

>

> What it eliminates is the foods that turn to sugar in the body,

which is good for everyone, especially if they have anything like

candida.

**applause**

Okay, I will cease my amateurish efforts to defend low carbing - you

are waaaay better at it!

Rosiebint (low carbing 9 years & for the rest of my life)

[Guest guest]

But then again, we can be sure that our Olympic athletes haven't been

following anything like Atkins...

Rgds

Hans

>

> > So if people get kidney disease from eating chicken salad, with

> strawberries, or ham omelette with tomatoes and mushrooms, or roast

> beef, cauliflower and sprouts, with melon etc. then I think they would

> have had it whatever they ate. To do Atkins properly is

healthy.

> >

> > What it eliminates is the foods that turn to sugar in the body,

> which is good for everyone, especially if they have anything like

> candida.

[Guest guest]

Surprisingly, that is exactly wrong. It is amazing how often top

athletes on TV, when asked about their diets, are doing low carb.

Obviously, the more exercise you are taking, the more carbohydrate you

can tolerate without it sending insulin levels through the roof.

However, despite that, they are often following a low carb diet.

Miriam

>

> But then again, we can be sure that our Olympic athletes haven't been

> following anything like Atkins...

>

> Rgds

>

> Hans

[Guest guest]

> I now have the book " Life without Bread " by Christian Allan and

> Wolfgang Lutz - What an interesting book.

>

> If you have any any more good recommendations please tell. .......

I am pleased you liked it. I think it is good because the authors are

obviously familiar with many areas of research. It is frustrating

when you read a book and keep thinking, " I wonder if they would still

hold that opinion if they had read x, y or z. "

Another excellent book is " Good Calories, Bad Calories " by

Taubes. It is a history of nutritional research in the States,

explaining why current advice is not consistent with the research it

is supposedly based on!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B6\

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I also think highly of the Weston Price Foundation:

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

Weston Price was a dentist who travelled to remote parts of the world

in the 1930's and studied the disastrous impact of modern " foods of

civilisation " such as sugar and refined carbohydrates. The account of

his travels is available from Amazon or online:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

Best wishes,

Miriam

[Guest guest]

Thanks I shall have a look - as long as my i-net link stays up, we are

on the edge of tropical storm Fay now - so far no power outages and not

near as much rain as a lot of others either.

Cheers,

...........

[Guest guest]

http://www.emedicine.com/med/TOPIC2327.HTM#TLSGuidelines

Alkalinization of Urine inTumour Lysis Syndrome

Sodium Bicarbonate

Can cause alkalosis, decreased plasma potassium, hypocalcemia and hypernatremia; caution in electrolyte imbalances (eg, patients with CHF, cirrhosis, edema, corticosteroid use, renal failure); when administering, avoid extravasation since can cause tissue necrosis

Use of Dextrose (D- Glucose) plus insulin in electrolyte imbalance

[[...Hyperthyroidism may increase renal clearance of insulin, increasing need for insulin to treat hyperkalemia; hypothyroidism may delay insulin turnover, decreasing need for insulin to treat hyperkalemia; monitor glucose carefully; dose adjustments of insulin may be necessary in patients diagnosed with renal or hepatic dysfunction...]]

Bob

>> Hi > The point is that they are finding cancer is caused

[Guest guest]

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic264.htm#TreatmentMedicalCare

The Treatment of Candidiasis

Bob

> Hi > The point is that they are finding cancer is caused

[Guest guest]

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic264.htm#TreatmentMedicalCare

Candidemia

Complications

[[....If left untreated, candidemia can lead to metastatic foci of infection in the eyes, vertebral column, liver, spleen, CNS, and kidneys. Initiate prompt treatment to prevent foci of infection, abscess formation, and death....]]

Bob

>> Hi > The point is that they are finding cancer is caused

[Guest guest]

ville, NE Florida

TS Fay has now come ashore at Daytona so its not so good for people

down there but the outer bands of thunderstorms and heavy winds are

now hitting ville so a stormy night and into tomorrow for us I

think. Still we should be okay - keeping fingers crossed.

..........

>

> Oh - poor you - where about do you live?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> Thanks I shall have a look - as long as my i-net link stays up,

we are

> on the edge of tropical storm Fay now - so far no power outages

and not

> near as much rain as a lot of others either.

>

> Cheers,

>

> ...........

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

? Lets put it another way..... if the weather has not improved by

October all of FLorida will be washing away! There is currently a

lot of the state under water. Bring water wings.....

Seriously tho - this will pass and by October we should be back to

normal assuming we do not get any more serious tropical storms or

(cringe) hurricanes. This ts is unusual in that it has moved ultra

slowly and encompassing the whole of the State. It is now on its way

toward the panhandle but again moving so slowly that we are still

feeling it here and apparently will do so throughout the weekend!!

What part of Florida are you coming to in October?

Say maybe this should become a chat thread as it is a bit off topic

for the original thread?

M

>

> From: denise_manderscheid <denisemanderscheid@...>

> Subject: Re: Bicarbonate Soda

> thyroid treatment

> Date: Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 9:29 PM

> ville, NE Florida

>

> TS Fay has now come ashore at Daytona so its not so good for people

> down there but the outer bands of thunderstorms and heavy winds are

> now hitting ville so a stormy night and into tomorrow for us

I

> think. Still we should be okay - keeping fingers crossed.

>

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Medical Care

[[....The treatments used to manage Candida infections vary substantially and are based on the anatomic location of the infection, the patients' underlying disease and immune status, the patients' risk factors for infection, the specific species of Candida responsible for infection, and, in some cases, the susceptibility of the Candida species to specific antifungal drugs.In January 2004, the Mycoses Study Group (MSG) and the Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) published practice guidelines for the treatment of candidiasis.18 While fluconazole is still considered a first-line agent in many situations, the latest recommendations include newer antifungal agents, such as the echinocandins caspofungin, micafungin, and anidulafungin, along with voriconazole and posaconazole in specific indications. The therapeutic options available for the management of invasive candidiasis and candidemia have continued to increase with the addition of newer echinocandins19, 20 and triazoles. A revised version of the MSG/IDSA guidelines is expected to be released in the third quarter of 2008....]]

The Sodium Bicarbonate treatment was under the Tumour Lysis Syndrome (for alkalinizing urine).....

see: the connection to Tumour Lysis with any of the other treatments ..but no mention that sodium bicarbonate will do it, if correctly applied, ie not causing (other) tissue necrosis...

the (Tullio) recommendation, I believe, is to apply sodium bicarbonate via the artery serving the tumour.....then you have to handle the tumour lysis ....in approximately the same way that any other tumour treatment would cause lysis of solid tumours....so I can't see that's much different from what has already been put forward.....

it also sounds as though there is some confusion as between tumours also infected with fungi and plain fungal infections of organs, without signs of a tumour, as such....I may be wrong as to how I read the previous work...

It will be very interesting to see what else they raise in this revised guideline...in view of the fluconazole resistance being experienced......as with MRSA etc in the bacterial world.

They need a fall-back position that is totally incapable of creating resistence......unless they are trying to create a pandemic of untreatable fungal/bacterial infections, not to mention viruses......

best wishes

Bob>> HI Bob> > Can you do cut and paste the paragraph from the website - it is so long it is taking me ages to go

[Guest guest]

So you will be driving thru jacksonville on route to Davenport,FL 10

miles from Disney.

The weather is beginning to ease thank you as TS Fay meanders off to

our West.

As for my health I have never felt better thanks - long may it last. My

Synthroid is working very well and my diet in combination with exercise

has me feeling very well. My weight is coming down and my body shape

is coming back to normal - no more pot belly yee ha - well almost!

Even my face shape is coming back!!

So life is looking up.

M.

>

> Lets hope so and yes we have gone off the thread a bit havent we? lol

> We are having 4 days in N Carolina at a family wedding and then

driving to Florida!

> We are staying in a villa at Hampton Lakes, Davenport.

> Hope your weather picks up and your health too!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/283/35/23497

The Isolation of the Vitamin B12 Coenzyme and the Role of the Vitamin in Methionine Synthesis

Anyone in Florida should read this account; then understand the reason (retirement) for visiting the next lecture given by this guy.

I found this account inspiring ~ not finished reading yet, either.

best wishes

Bob

>> So you will be driving thru jacksonville on route to Davenport,FL 10 > miles from Disney.