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, you've made some outstanding points regarding liver cleansing

and other

items as well. I think that the term " gallbladder flush " that this

list

represents is a misnomer. Yes, some of the stuff is coming out of the

gallbladder but we are flushing stones out of the liver with the

gallbladder

acting only as a temporary holding area while the liver is being

cleaned. Like

when you mop the floor and you only see the dirt in the bucket - the

liver is

the floor and the gallbladder is the bucket. From my first 5 or 6

flushes I

wouldn't have believed that, but after 28 I do. I have also cleared

out other

crud (gray fatty stuff) that has never been mentioned in any flush

forum

anywhere, and it had to be from the liver because I lost 7 or 8

pounds in one

fell swoop. Yes the toxins come out too and I've previously

mentioned my

experience with that - and that's why I continue to try and impress

on people

when doing the flushes to ensure that you take both doses of Epsom

salts in the

morning and I personally add extra fiber for the next couple of

days, because,

toxins will stagnate in the colon and be reabsorbed into the body if

you don't,

and that benefit of the flush can be lost or diminished.

I agree that Milk Thistle is the number one supplement for liver

health and that

it can in fact rebuild liver cells. I also take it in larger

quantities prior

to a flush, when I can remember or am not doing a " spur of the

moment " flush.

(Sometimes I find myself in a situation where I see an opportunity

to do a flush

and I haven't done a long prep but my body says " go for it. " )

I also find Budwig to be one of the best sources of cancer

treatment. Those who

use hoopla, electrical mish mash, and cannot produce independent

results for

others to review to me are far worse than conventional medical

treatment and in

fact give alternative medicine a very bad name. Besides Budwig,

there is a Dr.

Kelley (a dentist who was given 6 months to live) who cured

his

lymphatic cancer with coffee enemas plus supplements and who

promotes his own

form of healing along those lines to others. Winters was in

the same

condition - having lymphatic cancer and 6 months to live - and he

too cured

himself of cancer and also offers supplements. Along with Gersen I

believe that

each of these have something to offer in the way of cancer treatment.

Garlic. Ah garlic. Several studies show that it has many benefits

including

support for the liver where it combines with heavy metals and

transports them

out of the body. If I had to limit myself to one supplement, it

would be raw

garlic. Some studies have shown that cold-processed garlic works to

some degree

too but I would stay away from any other form.

Great post .

Jay

----- Original Message -----

From: Wortkoetter<mailto:kellykebby@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: liver stones to Leah

So we know, not only in your gall bladder can you develop stones

from sluggish

bile and the SAD Standard American Diet but you develop stones in

the bile ducts

of your liver as well. These stones impede toxins from leaving the

liver.

In my opinion, if you believe you may have gb or liver stones, start

juicing

fresh vegetables and drinking lots of fresh apple juice which

contains the acid

we've talked about that softens stones (malic acid). In your later

flushes you

will be able to get out these softened crushed stones much easier

than if you

tried a flush without drinking apple juice for a while. There are

fats in

veggies. The only fats you would need to supplement with are Omega

3's found in

flax seed oil or fish oil. note: If you are taking any kind of blood

thinner do

not take fish oil. Fish oil thins the blood much more so than flax

seed oil. The

protocol for successful flushes can be found at

www.curezone.com<http://www.curezone.com/>, along with many

testimonies. If you

have been having pain and gallstone symptoms at the time you do

start a flush,

start out with a mild one.

If you have gallstones, liver disease or cancer of the liver, you

should start

taking milk thistle (major liver support and antioxidant which

actually helps

healthy liver cells regenerate) and lecithin (thins the bile). You

should try to

drink fresh beet juice which also thins the bile and has antioxidant

properties.

Leah, you wondered about why some people get liver stones. Chances

are you

have a bacteria, parasite, or candida overload from your diet in

your liver as

well as your bowels and possibly all over your body. Your immune

system fights

these daily. This is a valuable army which you would much rather be

used for

other things. In the liver, these organisms irritate your bile duct

walls and

keep stones stuck there. There are some mild parasite cleanses you

can look

into, information about which also can be found at curezone. A

physicist named

Dr. Hulda believes that the growth factors emitted by

parasites and

bacteria are major contributers to cancer development, not to

mention, the

inflammation that keeps the stones from moving out. This phenomena

may also be

true in the case of candida. Candida is a relatively benign bacteria

that

everyone is supposed to have in the bowel. Commonly, conditions

occur which

allows this bacteria to mutate into a fungus which can go all over

the body.

Excessive carbohydrates, esp. refined sugar feed candida. I know

when I did

my liver cleanse I did not do a parasite cleanse before. I got out

so much

candida and I don't know what else, that I ended up with infections

in the bowel

and a bleeding duodenal ulcer that I had no idea how to deal with.

The toxic

biproducts emitted from candida are nasty. In time, when medicine

allows itself

to become more nature-based (as it already is in many other

countries) more and

more information will come out about the role of bacteria, fungi,

parasites, and

viruses in today's illnesses.

For example, there is a type of lymphoma which occurs in the stomach

called

malt lymphoma. This lymphoma occurs in conjunction with a tiny

spiral- shaped

bacteria called helicobacter pylori. When successful antibiotic

regimens are

given and the bacteria is eradicated, the lymphoma goes away.

It is wise to look into liver flushes and parasite cleanses, but if

you have

been sick, start slowly with both. As the microorganisms come out of

their

hiding places and start to die off, you may feel much worse for a

week or so.

Places like curezone usually advocate that you do a parasite cleanse

before

attempting a liver flush. As in my case, if you do liver flushes and

get live

parasites and candida out of your bile ducts instead of dead ones,

they will

only attach to the colon and start the process all over again.

Regardless of

whether you decide to do these two things, there are other natural

ways to fight

viruses, candida, parasites, and bacteria: (When I have talked about

antifungals, it is primarily candida I am speaking of): All of these

are

antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, and antiparasitic in varying

degrees:

garlic -

grapeseed extract -

caprylic acid - antifungal

Pau d'Arco tea -

pumpkin seeds, cloves, onions, thyme and sage, other herbs,

grapefruit seed

extract-

probiotics or soil-based organisms -

there are many more healthy and delicious natural microbe fighters

listed at

this site, at the bottom of the page

http://www.hopeandhealing.com/healingfoods.htm<http://www.hopeandheal

ing.com/hea\

lingfoods.htm>

People develop gallstones for major reasons like eating the wrong

fats (milk

and meat). The only milk product I would eat is yogurt or cottage

cheese once in

a while mixed with flax seed oil ( see Dr. Johanna Budwig info for

her healing

diet). The only meat I would eat once in a while is Alaskan Salmon.

Meat and milk are acidic and cause anaerobic bacteria to flourish in

the

bowel. They take longer to pass through the system, ferment, and the

bad

bacteria feed on that. You, as I said, do not just have bad

bacteria, etc in

your colon, you have it all over, including your liver.

Another reason people develop gallstones is by eating foods that

promote

excessive sestrogen formation, like milk and meat, animal fats,

omega 6 fats.

Omega 6 fats are horrible for you in large quantities and it would

seem this is

all Americans eat. In modern society, cereals - mainly wheat, corn

and rice -

predominate, leading to a relative deficiency of Omega-3 fats

compared with

Omega 6 fats. This causes a ton of problems. The body just can't

work well.

http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/articles/fats-chol/balance-of-

fats.htm<htt\

p://www.healthyeatingclub.com/info/articles/fats-chol/balance-of-

fats.htm>

I guarantee if you change your diet and look into parasite cleanses

and

flushes you will start feeling much better. Anyone who has

gallstones has to

avoid meats, milk products, overcooked foods, processed things like

grains, too

much salt, and refined sugar. An occasional whole grain prduct is

okay.

Take care and best wishes,