Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes I know a person who sees brownstein and after taking Iodoral her goiter enlarged. She stopped taking it and it went down on its own. jin > > Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody experienced > an enlargement in nodules with Iodoral, and if yes, did you stick > with it and did they eventually disappear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes she is still a patient of his but pretty much just goes to get her Armour refilled. She spent a year on his 'protocal' which did no good and it the cost was too prohibitive. When I originally took iodoral my goiter shrunk in a month but after 1.5 years on iodine my goiter is growing again and I take a bigger dose of NT than I used to. jin > > Did she talk to him about this or just stop taking it? > > Steph > > > Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral > > > > Yes I know a person who sees brownstein and after taking Iodoral her > > goiter enlarged. She stopped taking it and it went down on its own. > > > > jin > >> > >> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody experienced > >> an enlargement in nodules with Iodoral, and if yes, did you stick > >> with it and did they eventually disappear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes she did and she spent a year on his protocol. That being said, if he is on top of how Iodoral is effecting patients, he should be documenting and asking questions as opposed to assuming if the patient doesn't say anything, then everything must be OK. jin > > Did she discuss it with him? He is usually good to offer solutions. I have > had great luck with him. > > Steph > > > Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral > >> > >> > >> > Yes I know a person who sees brownstein and after taking Iodoral > > her > >> > goiter enlarged. She stopped taking it and it went down on its > > own. > >> > > >> > jin > >> >> > >> >> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody > > experienced > >> >> an enlargement in nodules with Iodoral, and if yes, did you > > stick > >> >> with it and did they eventually disappear? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 That's great that you are proactive but alot of people are not. Many are too sick to even think rationally and form relative questions and adequately describe what is going on with them. My mother can not tell you how she feels as she battles alot of ailments. She gets all confused. Older people have a greater tendency to think doctors are God and they do whatever they tell them to do and give the doctor very little information to work on. People have all different levels of knowledge on health. People are also nervous around doctors and forget to tell doctors many things. It is equally his responsibilty to draw people out and ask questions whether they bring it up or not. If it was totally our responsibility then what are we paying doctors for? Unfortuantely, they get paid whether they help you or not which is a flaw in the health care system. I agree, the more knowledgeable, more proactive, more assertive you are the more likely you can get well but 100% of his patients are not like this. If he is truly researching Iodine, then he should be asking every single patient about dosage, any symptom etc. If the patient stopped taking Iodoral then what made them stop. No different if the patient is still taking it and having good results This should be documented. People who stop on their own may or may not tell him and he needs to know the reason to further research otherwise he is not doing justice to the research of iodine. I have serious doubts that this is happening. Just my 2 cents. jin > He always asks me how I am feeling - first question out of his mouth. I > don't think it is his responsibility to seek out problems but for the > patient to bring them to his attention. I am very proactive with him. > After all only I know how I feel. > > > > > Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral > > > > Yes she did and she spent a year on his protocol. That being said, > > if he is on top of how Iodoral is effecting patients, he should be > > documenting and asking questions as opposed to assuming if the > > patient doesn't say anything, then everything must be OK. jin > >> > >> Did she discuss it with him? He is usually good to offer > > solutions. I have > >> had great luck with him. > >> > >> Steph > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 > I respectfully disagree. This goes for all doctors. ((Yes it does but not all doctors are performing research which is the basis for this discussion. )) > > Being able to communicate what hurts or feels bad has nothing to do with knowledge of medicine. You can express you have headaches, not sleeping, etc. In the case of the elderly or individuals who have difficulty expressing themselves they should have someone go with them as an advocate for their health. I go with my mom on her appts to help her remember what to tell the doctor because she is not good at expressing her issues in great detail. ((I did not say communication has to do with knowledge although it indeed helps. Some people can not communicate what they feel. My mother can not tell me if the pill she took made her feel any better and you don't need to be elderly to have so much brain fog that you can't put 2 and 2 together as many of us hypo's have. Some elderly people don't have kids or kids that live in the same state to take them. That's great that you can go to your mothers appointment but some of us work and can not take off work to go with Mom and Dad. I personally have been dealing with elderly parents for 14 years .. If I went to every doctor appointment with them, I would not have a job and any vacation time. This is a growing problem and it will continue to grow as the baby boomers get older. )) > > > I liken this to a vehicle. What if you took a car to the mechanic and said " It doesn't run right but I can't tell you why " . When they asked what was wrong you just said " I don't know I can't explain it. I am too confused and I don't understand cars " . Where would the mechanic even start? It is the same for a doctor. Do you realize how many possible symptoms one person can have? If you start at the head you can have losing hair, headaches, dizziness, blurred vision, ear aches, drainage from the ears, ringing in the ears, spots infront of eyes, dry eyes, nasal congestion, nasal drainage, painful sinuses, dry mouth, increased saliva, burning tongue, sore throat, sore teeth. That's just the head and I haven't in any way covered all the possibilities. What would you suggest would be good questions for a doctor to ask a patient to " draw " out information. I am not being cocky here but just don't see how a doctor could be more direct than asking how a person is feeling on the supplmenets they are taking. Since eventually I will have clients to deal with in this capacity it is important for me to understand the expectations. ((I'm not being cocky either. This is Problem Solving 101 and as an engineer and computer systems person this it amazes me the poor problem solving skills of doctors. My work is more black and white than a doctors and they have a harder job figuring out the human body since everyone is different. BUT the starting point of problem solving is always the same and that is identifying what they think is the problem is and where TO start and you don't base everything on what someone tells you You would be amazed at what little things the customer knows but doesn't think is important so they don't say anything It's the little stuff that often solves the problem or reduces 10 possibilities down to 5. . A doctor should do the same otherwise they have no starting point. They will need to run a zillion tests, waste the patients time and dollars all because they did not take the time to ask some starting questions. I am often placed in a position where I know NOTHING about what I'm looking for. The only way to start is by asking questions. Same with your mechanic comment. A good mechanic will ask questions such as Do you remember when this problem started? Does the problem only happen at a certain speed? Was it acting up over a period of time or did it just one day start doing this? etc etc. The average person should be able to answer some of these questions. It may help the mechanic pinpoint where the most likely place is to start and reduce the cost to both in dollars and time. Problem solving is Problem solving. Every scientist learns this in college but some get lazy and forget along the way)) > > Maybe people should start telling their doctors when they do a crappy job. Refuse to pay a bill one day if you don't feel you got your money's worth. I know of a member on another group I am on that did exactly that and told them that they better not dare send him to collections for it either. You know what? They didn't and he never got a bill. ((I have done this myself. I am fed up. One did not send me a bill but one did and threatened to send me to a collections agency. So I sent a letter to the attorney general and then cc'd insurance commissioner. The bill was dropped. However, if the bill wasn't dropped I would not want my credit to be damaged and i probably would have paid it. )) > > > > > If he is truly researching Iodine, then he should be asking every > > single patient about dosage, any symptom etc. > > He does have the most common symptoms but it is impossible to know what every single person's possible reactions will be. We are all so biochemically different. I am not just defending Dr. Brownstein but any doctor. Think about it in terms of a drug. When a Dr prescribes a Statin to a patient does he know every single possible side effect that could occur and does he keep track of it? No. (( That's not the point of research. When you research you have to have either a formal survey that you give to every patient that is taking iodine or somehow you much ask every patient questions to get a handle on how Iodine is acting on an individual so you can collectively put 2 and 2 together to form statistical models. The pharmaceutical company did all this before they put a Statin on the market. It is not the doctors job to keep track of the side effects but it is the doctors job to note that if the patient is complaining about a side effect after taking a Statin to do something about it. This should be noted in the patients chart. This is the basis for which alot of doctors give one drug over the other if they have too many patients coming in with problems after prescribing a certain drug. )) > > > If the patient stopped taking Iodoral then what made them stop. > > I am sure he does ask. When you go to him for each appt you must fill out a form with all the supplements you are currently taking. If Iodorol is not on the list I am sure he will ask them why since it is something he recommends to everyone. ((I live in MI and I go to alot of holistic seminars and fairs in the area. I've personally met about 25-30 of his patients. Some told me about the list of supplement sheets. They also said, they never even saw him glance at it during the appointment. Perhaps he looks at it later when he gets the lab results back but most said, he doesn't ask about iodine unless the patient brings it up during the appointment and many said even when he calls the patient to discuss lab results he doesn't bring it up unless they do. )) > > No different if the patient > > is still taking it and having good results This should be > > documented. People who stop on their own may or may not tell him and > > he needs to know the reason to further research otherwise he is not > > doing justice to the research of iodine. I have serious doubts that > > this is happening. Just my 2 cents. > > > It is the job of the patient to be an active participant in their care. Like it or not you as the patient are not the center of his universe. He cannot be all things to all people when he is running a practice of 3,000 patients. It just isn't possible. ((I never said a patient should not take a role in their care. What do you think is the doctors role? Especially a doctor doing research in a relatively new area.? )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 50mg I don't know what he gives to all his patients but all the ones that I spoke to started on 50mg. jin > > > I would just like to know what the dose was---for you and for Brownstein's patient. > often ppl complain about negative effects when they are taking too little. > Gracia > > Yes she did and she spent a year on his protocol. That being said, > if he is on top of how Iodoral is effecting patients, he should be > documenting and asking questions as opposed to assuming if the > patient doesn't say anything, then everything must be OK. jin > > > > Did she discuss it with him? He is usually good to offer > solutions. I have > > had great luck with him. > > > > Steph > > > > > > Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral > > >> > > >> > > >> > Yes I know a person who sees brownstein and after taking > Iodoral > > > her > > >> > goiter enlarged. She stopped taking it and it went down on its > > > own. > > >> > > > >> > jin > > >> >> > > >> >> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody > > > experienced > > >> >> an enlargement in nodules with Iodoral, and if yes, did you > > > stick > > >> >> with it and did they eventually disappear? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Some people can not communicate what they feel. My > mother can not tell me if the pill she took made her feel any better > and you don't need to be elderly to have so much brain fog that you > can't put 2 and 2 together as many of us hypo's have. I believe when I was going through my depression, my thyroid was very messed up, worse then it is now and my mind was about GONE in terms of being able to THINK of what was bothering me most and God forbid-explain it to anyone! >You would be amazed at what little things > the customer knows but doesn't think is important so they don't say > anything Until I started reading these posts, I didn't know that MANY of my symptoms were thyroid related and would have never told my Dr. about them. (Just my 2 cents) It's the little stuff that often solves the problem or > reduces 10 possibilities down to 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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