Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral

[Guest guest]

Yes I know a person who sees brownstein and after taking Iodoral her

goiter enlarged. She stopped taking it and it went down on its own.

jin

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> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody experienced

> an enlargement in nodules with Iodoral, and if yes, did you stick

> with it and did they eventually disappear?

[Guest guest]

Yes she is still a patient of his but pretty much just goes to get

her Armour refilled. She spent a year on his 'protocal' which did no

good and it the cost was too prohibitive.

When I originally took iodoral my goiter shrunk in a month but after

1.5 years on iodine my goiter is growing again and I take a bigger

dose of NT than I used to.

jin

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> Did she talk to him about this or just stop taking it?

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> Steph

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> >> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody

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[Guest guest]

Yes she did and she spent a year on his protocol. That being said,

if he is on top of how Iodoral is effecting patients, he should be

documenting and asking questions as opposed to assuming if the

patient doesn't say anything, then everything must be OK. jin

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> Did she discuss it with him? He is usually good to offer

solutions. I have

> had great luck with him.

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> Steph

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> >> >> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody

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[Guest guest]

That's great that you are proactive but alot of people are not. Many

are too sick to even think rationally and form relative questions

and adequately describe what is going on with them. My mother can

not tell you how she feels as she battles alot of ailments. She gets

all confused. Older people have a greater tendency to think doctors

are God and they do whatever they tell them to do and give the

doctor very little information to work on. People have all

different levels of knowledge on health. People are also nervous

around doctors and forget to tell doctors many things. It is equally

his responsibilty to draw people out and ask questions whether they

bring it up or not. If it was totally our responsibility then what

are we paying doctors for? Unfortuantely, they get paid whether they

help you or not which is a flaw in the health care system. I agree,

the more knowledgeable, more proactive, more assertive you are the

more likely you can get well but 100% of his patients are not like

this.

If he is truly researching Iodine, then he should be asking every

single patient about dosage, any symptom etc. If the patient stopped

taking Iodoral then what made them stop. No different if the patient

is still taking it and having good results This should be

documented. People who stop on their own may or may not tell him and

he needs to know the reason to further research otherwise he is not

doing justice to the research of iodine. I have serious doubts that

this is happening. Just my 2 cents.

jin

> He always asks me how I am feeling - first question out of his

mouth. I

> don't think it is his responsibility to seek out problems but for

the

> patient to bring them to his attention. I am very proactive with

him.

> After all only I know how I feel.

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> Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral

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> > Yes she did and she spent a year on his protocol. That being

said,

> > if he is on top of how Iodoral is effecting patients, he should

be

> > documenting and asking questions as opposed to assuming if the

> > patient doesn't say anything, then everything must be OK. jin

> >>

> >> Did she discuss it with him? He is usually good to offer

> > solutions. I have

> >> had great luck with him.

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> >> Steph

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[Guest guest]

> I respectfully disagree. This goes for all doctors.

((Yes it does but not all doctors are performing research which is

the basis for this discussion. ))

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> Being able to communicate what hurts or feels bad has nothing to

do with knowledge of medicine. You can express you have headaches,

not sleeping, etc. In the case of the elderly or individuals who

have difficulty expressing themselves they should have someone go

with them as an advocate for their health. I go with my mom on her

appts to help her remember what to tell the doctor because she is

not good at expressing her issues in great detail.

((I did not say communication has to do with knowledge although it

indeed helps. Some people can not communicate what they feel. My

mother can not tell me if the pill she took made her feel any better

and you don't need to be elderly to have so much brain fog that you

can't put 2 and 2 together as many of us hypo's have. Some elderly

people don't have kids or kids that live in the same state to take

them. That's great that you can go to your mothers appointment but

some of us work and can not take off work to go with Mom and Dad. I

personally have been dealing with elderly parents for 14 years .. If

I went to every doctor appointment with them, I would not have a job

and any vacation time. This is a growing problem and it will

continue to grow as the baby boomers get older. ))

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> I liken this to a vehicle. What if you took a car to the mechanic

and said " It doesn't run right but I can't tell you why " . When they

asked what was wrong you just said " I don't know I can't explain

it. I am too confused and I don't understand cars " . Where would

the mechanic even start? It is the same for a doctor. Do you

realize how many possible symptoms one person can have? If you

start at the head you can have losing hair, headaches, dizziness,

blurred vision, ear aches, drainage from the ears, ringing in the

ears, spots infront of eyes, dry eyes, nasal congestion, nasal

drainage, painful sinuses, dry mouth, increased saliva, burning

tongue, sore throat, sore teeth. That's just the head and I haven't

in any way covered all the possibilities. What would you suggest

would be good questions for a doctor to ask a patient to " draw " out

information. I am not being cocky here but just don't see how a

doctor could be more direct than asking how a person is feeling on

the supplmenets they are taking. Since eventually I will have

clients to deal with in this capacity it is important for me to

understand the expectations.

((I'm not being cocky either. This is Problem Solving 101 and as an

engineer and computer systems person this it amazes me the poor

problem solving skills of doctors. My work is more black and white

than a doctors and they have a harder job figuring out the human

body since everyone is different. BUT the starting point of problem

solving is always the same and that is identifying what they think

is the problem is and where TO start and you don't base everything

on what someone tells you You would be amazed at what little things

the customer knows but doesn't think is important so they don't say

anything It's the little stuff that often solves the problem or

reduces 10 possibilities down to 5. . A doctor should do the same

otherwise they have no starting point. They will need to run a

zillion tests, waste the patients time and dollars all because they

did not take the time to ask some starting questions. I am often

placed in a position where I know NOTHING about what I'm looking

for. The only way to start is by asking questions. Same with your

mechanic comment. A good mechanic will ask questions such as Do you

remember when this problem started? Does the problem only happen at

a certain speed? Was it acting up over a period of time or did it

just one day start doing this? etc etc. The average person should be

able to answer some of these questions. It may help the mechanic

pinpoint where the most likely place is to start and reduce the cost

to both in dollars and time. Problem solving is Problem solving.

Every scientist learns this in college but some get lazy and forget

along the way))

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> Maybe people should start telling their doctors when they do a

crappy job. Refuse to pay a bill one day if you don't feel you got

your money's worth. I know of a member on another group I am on

that did exactly that and told them that they better not dare send

him to collections for it either. You know what? They didn't and

he never got a bill.

((I have done this myself. I am fed up. One did not send me a bill

but one did and threatened to send me to a collections agency. So I

sent a letter to the attorney general and then cc'd insurance

commissioner. The bill was dropped. However, if the bill wasn't

dropped I would not want my credit to be damaged and i probably

would have paid it. ))

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> > If he is truly researching Iodine, then he should be asking

every

> > single patient about dosage, any symptom etc.

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> He does have the most common symptoms but it is impossible to know

what every single person's possible reactions will be. We are all

so biochemically different. I am not just defending Dr. Brownstein

but any doctor. Think about it in terms of a drug. When a Dr

prescribes a Statin to a patient does he know every single possible

side effect that could occur and does he keep track of it? No.

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That's not the point of research. When you research you have to have

either a formal survey that you give to every patient that is taking

iodine or somehow you much ask every patient questions to get a

handle on how Iodine is acting on an individual so you can

collectively put 2 and 2 together to form statistical models. The

pharmaceutical company did all this before they put a Statin on the

market. It is not the doctors job to keep track of the side effects

but it is the doctors job to note that if the patient is complaining

about a side effect after taking a Statin to do something about it.

This should be noted in the patients chart. This is the basis for

which alot of doctors give one drug over the other if they have too

many patients coming in with problems after prescribing a certain

drug. ))

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> If the patient stopped taking Iodoral then what made them stop.

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> I am sure he does ask. When you go to him for each appt you must

fill out a form with all the supplements you are currently taking.

If Iodorol is not on the list I am sure he will ask them why since

it is something he recommends to everyone.

((I live in MI and I go to alot of holistic seminars and fairs in

the area. I've personally met about 25-30 of his patients. Some told

me about the list of supplement sheets. They also said, they never

even saw him glance at it during the appointment. Perhaps he looks

at it later when he gets the lab results back but most said, he

doesn't ask about iodine unless the patient brings it up during the

appointment and many said even when he calls the patient to discuss

lab results he doesn't bring it up unless they do. ))

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> No different if the patient

> > is still taking it and having good results This should be

> > documented. People who stop on their own may or may not tell him

and

> > he needs to know the reason to further research otherwise he is

not

> > doing justice to the research of iodine. I have serious doubts

that

> > this is happening. Just my 2 cents.

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> It is the job of the patient to be an active participant in their

care. Like it or not you as the patient are not the center of his

universe. He cannot be all things to all people when he is running

a practice of 3,000 patients. It just isn't possible.

((I never said a patient should not take a role in their care. What

do you think is the doctors role? Especially a doctor doing research

in a relatively new area.? ))

[Guest guest]

50mg I don't know what he gives to all his patients but all the ones

that I spoke to started on 50mg. jin

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> I would just like to know what the dose was---for you and for

Brownstein's patient.

> often ppl complain about negative effects when they are taking

too little.

> Gracia

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> Yes she did and she spent a year on his protocol. That being

said,

> if he is on top of how Iodoral is effecting patients, he should

be

> documenting and asking questions as opposed to assuming if the

> patient doesn't say anything, then everything must be OK. jin

> >

> > Did she discuss it with him? He is usually good to offer

> solutions. I have

> > had great luck with him.

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> > Re: hypo, nodules and Iodoral

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> > Yes I know a person who sees brownstein and after taking

> Iodoral

> > > her

> > >> > goiter enlarged. She stopped taking it and it went down

on its

> > > own.

> > >> >

> > >> > jin

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Hello, my first post here, with a question: has anybody

> > > experienced

> > >> >> an enlargement in nodules with Iodoral, and if yes, did

you

> > > stick

> > >> >> with it and did they eventually disappear?

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[Guest guest]

Some people can not communicate what they feel. My > mother can not tell me if the pill she took made her feel any better > and you don't need to be elderly to have so much brain fog that you > can't put 2 and 2 together as many of us hypo's have. I believe when I was going through my depression, my thyroid was very messed up, worse then it is now and my mind was about GONE in terms of being able to THINK of what was bothering me most and God forbid-explain it to anyone!

>You would be amazed at what little things > the customer knows but doesn't think is important so they don't say > anything Until I started reading these posts, I didn't know that MANY of my symptoms were thyroid related and would have never told my Dr. about them. (Just my 2 cents)

It's the little stuff that often solves the problem or > reduces 10 possibilities down to 5.