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Hi Leah,

As you say the T4 is now out of you system, so a dose raise of

Armour seems sensible

Subject: Have I done the right thing?

Hi

About 6 weeks ago I started a 2 week break from a thyroxine armour

mix I was taking as I had gone toxic.

I'm not sure whether the temps have plummeted to reflect the 2 weeks

of no T4 6 weeks ago, or whether it's just because I need a dose

raise of Armour. It's 2 weeks today since I raised to 1 and 1/2, and

about a week since my symptoms returned with a vengeance, so I have

decided to raise to 2 grains today. I'm so paranoid about going

toxic again, I am worried I have done the wrong thing...

What do those of you a bit more knowledgable than me think?

Leah x

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Thanks ,

I'm glad I have - I have been able to do some shopping this afternoon

which is nice. How long should I stay on the 2 grains now? Should I

leave this dose a bit longer than the others?

Thanks

Leah x

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> Hi Leah,

> As you say the T4 is now out of you system, so a dose raise

of

> Armour seems sensible

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Hi Leah, I reckon you did the right thing raising when symptoms coming

back, wouldn't know how long to leave it before next increase

though..... Were you on Armour first then added T4 or the other way

round? Ruth x

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Hi Ruth

I was on 100mcg thyroxine, and having problems uppig it to 125mcg, so

dropped back to 100 and started adding in armour on advice of Dr S. As

soon as I got to 1 grain I got toxic so I think it was all too much for

me. Sheila said lots of people have problems with it this way round.

I do feel I did the right thing - I'm just not sure at what point I

stop raising and wait for the T4 to build. I guess I just wait and see

how I feel on this dose for a while.

Leah x

Were you on Armour first then added T4 or the other way

> round? Ruth x

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HI Leah

Look in our FILES on the Forum website. You will see a docoument called "How to Use Natural Thyroid Extract (Armour)" or some other such wording. It tells you exactly how to increase your Armour and the reasons why. How are you feeling these days?

Luv - Sheila

Thanks , How long should I stay on the 2 grains now? Should I leave this dose a bit longer than the others?ThanksLeah x------------------------------------Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Alwaysconsult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changingmedication.

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Hi Niki,

I don't live in your corner of the world so am of no help w medical etc there. I

would suggest a Hair Elementts Test see http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ If

you mention autism there is a slight discount. Full price is $96. Using Cutler's

analysis for the results, you can figure out what, if any metals, would be a

problem for your little one. You may have come across some other helpful groups

autism/ is very good and I'm sure

others will have suggestions. I'm a big fan of Cutler's 'low and slow'

chelation. It has been instrumental in recovering my little grandson and making

his aunt's life much more tolerable. You have time on your side with such a

little one. So glad you are taking active steps to assist him.

>

> Hi Everyone

> I posted a few months back as i was confused where to start with my son

Archie, who is awaiting diagnosis, but I believe is autistic. I have been

lurking on this forum and absorbing what I can (although grasp of science has

never been a strong point for me!). I also ordered and read Children with

Starving Brains and the pamphlet from Uni of Sunderland regarding diet and

Autism. Archie is now on a GFCF diet and basic vitamin supplements and this has

made him more patient, more communicative etc. but I am a bit stuck as to where

to go next. Yesterday I had a call from the Breakspear Hospital - I'd forgotten

I'd called them about 7 months ago to enquire about an appointment - and booked

to see Dr Goyal in a couple of weeks time. Now reading various pages on

the internet, I am worried that I am going to get us into a whole heap of debt!

Opinion seems to be divided as to how effective the testing the Breakspear does

is and having just seen their online shop, I am completely freaked out at how

much the various tests are going to cost.

> I live in West Sussex and the only nearby DAN registered practitioner is

Griffiths, who is a nutritionist and doesnt appear to have treated many autistic

kids, and I cant find any support networks in my area (apart from the Sussex

Autistic Society, who don't appear to be supporters of Biomeds from what I can

see). I feel so lost in all of this and I just want someone to tell me what I

should do first.

>

> I work full time and my husband is self-employed in a new business which takes

up quite a lot of time. Archie is not likely to be diagnosed any time soon (2nd

appt with paediatrician is in a couple of weeks but all she wants to do - 6

months after our first visit - is take a family history), but he starts school

in September (thankfully have got him into a very small village school where

there is good awareness and support of SEN even without statementing) but I am

in a flat panic about how to help him best right now (stopping panicking would

be a start, I guess!!!)

>

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Hiya

If you are doing gf.cf try going soya and corn free too.

Apply to the Caudwell Trust for help with funding a biomed programe.

Joanne

>

> Hi Everyone

> I posted a few months back as i was confused where to start with my son

Archie, who is awaiting diagnosis, but I believe is autistic. I have been

lurking on this forum and absorbing what I can (although grasp of science has

never been a strong point for me!). I also ordered and read Children with

Starving Brains and the pamphlet from Uni of Sunderland regarding diet and

Autism. Archie is now on a GFCF diet and basic vitamin supplements and this has

made him more patient, more communicative etc. but I am a bit stuck as to where

to go next. Yesterday I had a call from the Breakspear Hospital - I'd forgotten

I'd called them about 7 months ago to enquire about an appointment - and booked

to see Dr Goyal in a couple of weeks time. Now reading various pages on

the internet, I am worried that I am going to get us into a whole heap of debt!

Opinion seems to be divided as to how effective the testing the Breakspear does

is and having just seen their online shop, I am completely freaked out at how

much the various tests are going to cost.

> I live in West Sussex and the only nearby DAN registered practitioner is

Griffiths, who is a nutritionist and doesnt appear to have treated many autistic

kids, and I cant find any support networks in my area (apart from the Sussex

Autistic Society, who don't appear to be supporters of Biomeds from what I can

see). I feel so lost in all of this and I just want someone to tell me what I

should do first.

>

> I work full time and my husband is self-employed in a new business which takes

up quite a lot of time. Archie is not likely to be diagnosed any time soon (2nd

appt with paediatrician is in a couple of weeks but all she wants to do - 6

months after our first visit - is take a family history), but he starts school

in September (thankfully have got him into a very small village school where

there is good awareness and support of SEN even without statementing) but I am

in a flat panic about how to help him best right now (stopping panicking would

be a start, I guess!!!)

>

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Thanks for your reply Joanne.

Can I apply to Caudwell without a diagnosis?

He's only been GFCF for about a month and I'm trying to avoid soy as much as

possible but it is a lot for him to give up all at once. Also have been

replacing flour with gf substitutes which often contain cornflour. Are there any

reliable tests I can get done for food intolerances before I exclude so much

from his diet? My acupuncturist can do a hair test but not sure if they're

reliable? He is only 3.5 years and although he is fairly verbal, its difficult

for him to understand that he cant have so many things, particularly when he's

not with me. Saying that, I'd be happy to exclude anything from his diet so long

as I know its causing an issue!

> >

> > Hi Everyone

> > I posted a few months back as i was confused where to start with my son

Archie, who is awaiting diagnosis, but I believe is autistic. I have been

lurking on this forum and absorbing what I can (although grasp of science has

never been a strong point for me!). I also ordered and read Children with

Starving Brains and the pamphlet from Uni of Sunderland regarding diet and

Autism. Archie is now on a GFCF diet and basic vitamin supplements and this has

made him more patient, more communicative etc. but I am a bit stuck as to where

to go next. Yesterday I had a call from the Breakspear Hospital - I'd forgotten

I'd called them about 7 months ago to enquire about an appointment - and booked

to see Dr Goyal in a couple of weeks time. Now reading various pages on

the internet, I am worried that I am going to get us into a whole heap of debt!

Opinion seems to be divided as to how effective the testing the Breakspear does

is and having just seen their online shop, I am completely freaked out at how

much the various tests are going to cost.

> > I live in West Sussex and the only nearby DAN registered practitioner is

Griffiths, who is a nutritionist and doesnt appear to have treated many

autistic kids, and I cant find any support networks in my area (apart from the

Sussex Autistic Society, who don't appear to be supporters of Biomeds from what

I can see). I feel so lost in all of this and I just want someone to tell me

what I should do first.

> >

> > I work full time and my husband is self-employed in a new business which

takes up quite a lot of time. Archie is not likely to be diagnosed any time soon

(2nd appt with paediatrician is in a couple of weeks but all she wants to do - 6

months after our first visit - is take a family history), but he starts school

in September (thankfully have got him into a very small village school where

there is good awareness and support of SEN even without statementing) but I am

in a flat panic about how to help him best right now (stopping panicking would

be a start, I guess!!!)

> >

>

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Thanks for your reply Joanne.

Can I apply to Caudwell without a diagnosis?

He's only been GFCF for about a month and I'm trying to avoid soy as much as

possible but it is a lot for him to give up all at once. Also have been

replacing flour with gf substitutes which often contain cornflour. Are there any

reliable tests I can get done for food intolerances before I exclude so much

from his diet? My acupuncturist can do a hair test but not sure if they're

reliable? He is only 3.5 years and although he is fairly verbal, its difficult

for him to understand that he cant have so many things, particularly when he's

not with me. Saying that, I'd be happy to exclude anything from his diet so long

as I know its causing an issue!

> >

> > Hi Everyone

> > I posted a few months back as i was confused where to start with my son

Archie, who is awaiting diagnosis, but I believe is autistic. I have been

lurking on this forum and absorbing what I can (although grasp of science has

never been a strong point for me!). I also ordered and read Children with

Starving Brains and the pamphlet from Uni of Sunderland regarding diet and

Autism. Archie is now on a GFCF diet and basic vitamin supplements and this has

made him more patient, more communicative etc. but I am a bit stuck as to where

to go next. Yesterday I had a call from the Breakspear Hospital - I'd forgotten

I'd called them about 7 months ago to enquire about an appointment - and booked

to see Dr Goyal in a couple of weeks time. Now reading various pages on

the internet, I am worried that I am going to get us into a whole heap of debt!

Opinion seems to be divided as to how effective the testing the Breakspear does

is and having just seen their online shop, I am completely freaked out at how

much the various tests are going to cost.

> > I live in West Sussex and the only nearby DAN registered practitioner is

Griffiths, who is a nutritionist and doesnt appear to have treated many

autistic kids, and I cant find any support networks in my area (apart from the

Sussex Autistic Society, who don't appear to be supporters of Biomeds from what

I can see). I feel so lost in all of this and I just want someone to tell me

what I should do first.

> >

> > I work full time and my husband is self-employed in a new business which

takes up quite a lot of time. Archie is not likely to be diagnosed any time soon

(2nd appt with paediatrician is in a couple of weeks but all she wants to do - 6

months after our first visit - is take a family history), but he starts school

in September (thankfully have got him into a very small village school where

there is good awareness and support of SEN even without statementing) but I am

in a flat panic about how to help him best right now (stopping panicking would

be a start, I guess!!!)

> >

>

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Also have been replacing flour with gf substitutes which often contain

cornflour.

Hi niki, just a quick note on this. I use arrowroot (found with baking powder

etc in the baking/cooking ingredients aisle) as a cornflour substitute and it

has always worked so far in recipes. It's easy to make up your own flour mixes

with rice flour, potato flour, ground almonds, etc. I use this cook book quite a

bit:

How To Cook for Food Allergies: Understand Ingredients, Adapt Recipes with

Confidence and Cook for an Exciting Allergy-Free Diet

by Lucinda Bruce-Gardyne

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1905744285/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=1036\

12307 & pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe & pf_rd_t=201 & pf_rd_i=1905744048 & pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1O\

LE & pf_rd_r=0SWA8QW5R5JVPTQQ72VQ

best wishes

Charlotte

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Hi Niki

 

Have you called Caudwell to ask if they have to have a diagnosis?  Caudwell favour TST because of the predictable results.  The cost of a no obligation assessment by is £80.. It would provide you with an explanation of your son's problems.. and from there it may guide you where to go next. knows the people at Caudwell and I recall that Advance may have contacted Caudwell on behalf of patients in the past.

 

I know that Brakespear is hightly regarded... and extremely costly too, and I know that the most important single thing that sustains life is the ability to breathe.  We can go without water for about 48 hours.. without food for a few weeks. and can survive only minutes without proper oxygenation... and this is why for us the TST has been such a break through.

 

The other thing we have found on our journey is that whenever we have found the right therapy and committed to providing it for our children, somehow the money has always found its way to us..

 

 

Best wishes

 

 

 

Tracey

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:29 PM, niki.crank <niki.crank@...> wrote:

 

Yes, actually I had Advance on my list - had emailed them and had emailed suggesting I call to make an appointment.My husband particularly has always been concerned about Archie's respiration. He does seem to snore and snuffle a lot for a little'un and always seems to be down with some respiratory problem. It probably doesn't help that he was born with a cleft lip and has misaligned nostrils as a result of the surgery carried out on him at 4 months (also anaesthetic involved at that point....?). He was a ventouse delivery and therefore there has always been a nagging doubt in my mind that he may have suffered some brain injury at birth, so TST does hold a great deal of interest for us. Cranial osteopathy has also worked wonders for him but only to an extent.

Yes, meeting other families with similar issues would help us immensely. I'm sure many other people on this board have also felt as alone as I do when all the other parents they know have only NT kids. Still the question remains.....should I put Breakspear on hold for now and deal with this issue first (without diagnosis, suspect we would not be able to claim for cost of treatment at Advance from Caudwell and we simply cant afford it without) or do some preliminary investigations into what might be the primary issues affecting our son via tests? From what I have read, I suspect Breakspear may not be the most cost effective method of getting the answer but I am so confused as to how to move forward.

Tracey Clewer <thelifechangers@...> wrote:>> Hi Niki> > If you live in West Sussex you are in the perfect place to make an> appointment to see Scotson and Advance Centre.

> > Whilst a diagnosis is helpful. it is simply a piece of paper with words on> it and often what we really need is a pathway to help our children become> well again.> > Once our bodies breathe and assimilate food properly, much of the toxic load

> will clear anyway, so my thoughts are now,,, 16 years into my journey, that> getting breathing and oxygenation sorted ASAP leads to a much quicker> improvement. Getting her breathing sorted first, and then adding things on,

> would, I believe, have saved us a small fortune...> > > The two hour assessment with costs £80 and you get a DVD of the> appointment too.> > The Centre is in East Grinstead and there are a number of autistic families

> at the Centre who live in the town too.. so they may be able to connect you> with other families on the same journey as you.> > > Best wishes> > > > > Tracey

>

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Hi Niki

 

Have you called Caudwell to ask if they have to have a diagnosis?  Caudwell favour TST because of the predictable results.  The cost of a no obligation assessment by is £80.. It would provide you with an explanation of your son's problems.. and from there it may guide you where to go next. knows the people at Caudwell and I recall that Advance may have contacted Caudwell on behalf of patients in the past.

 

I know that Brakespear is hightly regarded... and extremely costly too, and I know that the most important single thing that sustains life is the ability to breathe.  We can go without water for about 48 hours.. without food for a few weeks. and can survive only minutes without proper oxygenation... and this is why for us the TST has been such a break through.

 

The other thing we have found on our journey is that whenever we have found the right therapy and committed to providing it for our children, somehow the money has always found its way to us..

 

 

Best wishes

 

 

 

Tracey

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:29 PM, niki.crank <niki.crank@...> wrote:

 

Yes, actually I had Advance on my list - had emailed them and had emailed suggesting I call to make an appointment.My husband particularly has always been concerned about Archie's respiration. He does seem to snore and snuffle a lot for a little'un and always seems to be down with some respiratory problem. It probably doesn't help that he was born with a cleft lip and has misaligned nostrils as a result of the surgery carried out on him at 4 months (also anaesthetic involved at that point....?). He was a ventouse delivery and therefore there has always been a nagging doubt in my mind that he may have suffered some brain injury at birth, so TST does hold a great deal of interest for us. Cranial osteopathy has also worked wonders for him but only to an extent.

Yes, meeting other families with similar issues would help us immensely. I'm sure many other people on this board have also felt as alone as I do when all the other parents they know have only NT kids. Still the question remains.....should I put Breakspear on hold for now and deal with this issue first (without diagnosis, suspect we would not be able to claim for cost of treatment at Advance from Caudwell and we simply cant afford it without) or do some preliminary investigations into what might be the primary issues affecting our son via tests? From what I have read, I suspect Breakspear may not be the most cost effective method of getting the answer but I am so confused as to how to move forward.

Tracey Clewer <thelifechangers@...> wrote:>> Hi Niki> > If you live in West Sussex you are in the perfect place to make an> appointment to see Scotson and Advance Centre.

> > Whilst a diagnosis is helpful. it is simply a piece of paper with words on> it and often what we really need is a pathway to help our children become> well again.> > Once our bodies breathe and assimilate food properly, much of the toxic load

> will clear anyway, so my thoughts are now,,, 16 years into my journey, that> getting breathing and oxygenation sorted ASAP leads to a much quicker> improvement. Getting her breathing sorted first, and then adding things on,

> would, I believe, have saved us a small fortune...> > > The two hour assessment with costs £80 and you get a DVD of the> appointment too.> > The Centre is in East Grinstead and there are a number of autistic families

> at the Centre who live in the town too.. so they may be able to connect you> with other families on the same journey as you.> > > Best wishes> > > > > Tracey

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Dear Niki, Would it be possible to get some kind of diagnosis?

I can see this might be a lot of time and trouble and you are actually hoping to

sort out your child's gut.

Are you with a good paediatric gastroenterologist? A lot of people have found Dr

Fell at the Chelsea and Westmenster helpful, but there are other good doctors;

perhaps we could post some more names?

The gastros we have seen have been happy about using probiotics and so on.

Has anyone found a good NHS dieteician working with a gastro?

Personally, with my child, I would try and get the best NHS help available

together with doing as much gentle gut support as I could, as well as exploring

diet, as you are doing. Even if you do eventually get Caudwell funding, at the

Breakspear it would get used up pretty fast with testing. There are people on

this list who do a lot of testing but there are also others who do very little

and focus on the supplements and diet and you will get loads of great help from

people here. Personally without tests I would just do the simplest and most

tried and tested things.

Margaret

> > >

> > > Hi Niki

> > >

> > > If you live in West Sussex you are in the perfect place to make an

> > > appointment to see Scotson and Advance Centre.

> > >

> > > Whilst a diagnosis is helpful. it is simply a piece of paper with words

> > on

> > > it and often what we really need is a pathway to help our children become

> > > well again.

> > >

> > > Once our bodies breathe and assimilate food properly, much of the toxic

> > load

> > > will clear anyway, so my thoughts are now,,, 16 years into my journey,

> > that

> > > getting breathing and oxygenation sorted ASAP leads to a much quicker

> > > improvement. Getting her breathing sorted first, and then adding things

> > on,

> > > would, I believe, have saved us a small fortune...

> > >

> > >

> > > The two hour assessment with costs £80 and you get a DVD of the

> > > appointment too.

> > >

> > > The Centre is in East Grinstead and there are a number of autistic

> > families

> > > at the Centre who live in the town too.. so they may be able to connect

> > you

> > > with other families on the same journey as you.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tracey

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks everyone for your replies. Interesting reading and a lot of sense in all

of them.

Archie's gut wouldn't be seen as a major issue unfortunately. He is occasionally

constipated, occasionally " sloppy " and sometimes fairly normal. He also shows no

signs of gut discomfort although he poo's up to 4 times a day and at 3.5 has

control over his bowels/bladder just no motivation to tell us when he is doing

it. I have never mentioned it to the doc as I feel I would get sent away with a

flea in my ear. Also if I raised all my concerns about Archie to my doc I'd be

there for days and I don't think they'd take kindly to that! Archie is being

assessed for his developmental delay currently but at NHS speed (i.e first

referred nearly a year ago and still has only had 1 appointment with paed. Next

appt is due in a couple of weeks. He attends a Theraplay session each week and

the SALTs there believe he is autistic but needs to be confirmed by paed

unfortunately. Soooo frustrating.

Actually most of Archies symptoms are fairly mild (stimming restricted to very

occasionally spinning in circles or shaking his head - neither of which

distresses him just seems to like the sensation, good appetite and sleep, some

tiptoe walking but not all the time, great vocabulary but little

expressive/spontaneous speech, excellent understanding of what is being asked of

him, normal pain response, good eye contact, happy smiley child, not panicked if

routine changes, is intelligent and fairly manipulative etc etc). Nevertheless

he has significant speech delay, does not socialise with kids and has creative

play restricted to his own special areas of interest (which change fairly often,

I should say!). Sometimes I think he is normal then I see him with a NT kid and

its so plain that he has major problems.

With relatively mild symptoms, I am worried that improvements on the inside

might go unnoticed on the outside, if you know what I mean. Cumulatively, they

might make a significant difference but individually we might not notice and

without testing how will we know for sure? Also supplementation and dietary

modification can get pretty expensive so I'd like to combine some

intuition/parental observation with some science to back it up.

I guess what I want to know is how to get the best value most reliable tests

without paying hefty markups to cover others costs. Breakspear sounds exorbitant

- however good they might be - and I worry that they'll be some pressure (even

if only from myself) to proceed with their testing having spent £120 on an

initial consult.

Sorry for all the lengthy posts but I've been unable to share my worries with

anyone who might understand why I have these concerns. Most of my friends just

say " ah, he'll grow out of it " . If only it was that easy.....

Actually I think I'm going to put the Breakspear on hold for now and call

Advance. His breathing is something we have mentioned to our gp (was summarily

diagnosed as asthmatic, which he definitely is not) and it must be a good thing

to address this. We didn't think this had much bearing on his autism initially

but from reading more about it, we are reminded that we were concerned about

brain injury from his birth as he had a very traumatic ventouse delivery.

I would welcome anyone else's opinion/comments still. I've always been one for

sitting on the fence, unfortunately!

> >

> > Hi Niki

> >

> > Have you called Caudwell to ask if they have to have a diagnosis? Caudwell

> > favour TST because of the predictable results. The cost of a no obligation

> > assessment by is £80.. It would provide you with an explanation of

> > your son's problems.

> > .

> > .

> > .

> > .

> > The other thing we have found on our journey is that whenever we have found

> > the right therapy and committed to providing it for our children, somehow

> > the money has always found its way to us..

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> > Tracey

> >

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Wow....interesting Joanne - never thought about it like that before. I'll

definitely speak to Mandi about it (isn't she at Advance this week?).

His tummy does seem quite bloated at times but it doesn't seem to specifically

correspond to any other symptoms. Haven't noticed him pressing his stomach much

really although on very odd occasions in the mornings when he gets into bed with

us he has grabbed my hand and made me rub his tummy. Actually in the last week,

Archie, my husband and myself have all had the 24 hour winter vomiting virus

which interestingly resulted in constipation in Archie and myself rather than

the normal diarrhoa that accompanies it (and which affected my husband). I

thought that was odd.... However I suspect when Archie has diarrhoea it is

probably some kind of food intolerance just not been able to identify it yet.

Its eased since going GFCF though, even though it's early days so perhaps it

will continue to improve over the months its supposed to take to get the gluten

out of his system?

> > > >

> > > > Hi Niki

> > > >

> > > > Have you called Caudwell to ask if they have to have a diagnosis?

Caudwell

> > > > favour TST because of the predictable results. The cost of a no

obligation

> > > > assessment by is £80.. It would provide you with an explanation of

> > > > your son's problems.

> > > > .

> > > > .

> > > > .

> > > > .

> > > > The other thing we have found on our journey is that whenever we have

found

> > > > the right therapy and committed to providing it for our children,

somehow

> > > > the money has always found its way to us..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tracey

> > > >

> >

>

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If you have gone gluten and dairy free then look at stopping corn and soya as

well...these are the other 2 culprits.

If you email me off list i will send you diet help.

j _ burke4 @ sky.com ( dont leave any spaces)

Jo

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Niki

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you called Caudwell to ask if they have to have a diagnosis?

Caudwell

> > > > > favour TST because of the predictable results. The cost of a no

obligation

> > > > > assessment by is £80.. It would provide you with an explanation

of

> > > > > your son's problems.

> > > > > .

> > > > > .

> > > > > .

> > > > > .

> > > > > The other thing we have found on our journey is that whenever we have

found

> > > > > the right therapy and committed to providing it for our children,

somehow

> > > > > the money has always found its way to us..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tracey

> > > > >

> > >

> >

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