Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Deb, I am sorry your appointment didn't go well and I am amazed that you found him "arrogant" as most reports have been that he is a gentleman and listens to your story. Unfortunately, these doctors are right in that we shouldn't believe everything we read on the Internet, but they also know there is some brilliant research there as well. He is correct about Armour in that there have been no studies to show that it is better (or worse) than combination therapy using synthetic T4/T3. Perhaps it might be an idea for some of these endocrinologists to join forums like this one so they might get an idea of how well it works, and for those where it doesn't work, finding out the reason is often because their adrenals need boosting - something the majority of NHS endocrinologists refuse to accept - so it is THEY who are probably responsible for a thyroid hormone medication not working as it should. Keep your chin up Deb - probably he had had a very irritating or frustrating day and we are all guilty of at times of taking it out of those near us. He certainly is getting a lot of referrals because of this group, and he might be feeling a tad over-worked, and also, don't forget, doctors are still being brought before the GMC for not following the BTA mainstream protocol. There is another doctor this week up before the GMC, Dr Hyams, and he is yet another one who prescribes Armour. They might not be able to get these doctors for prescribing outside the NHS protocol, but they watch them like hawks to get them on something else. I am sure these 'Doctors who Will' must have their own private concerns, however much they believe in putting their patients first. Don't be too hard on him - he has helped so many people regain their health and he will help you too if you give him the chance. Luv - Sheila Hi all,I saw Dr Burrows today and I'm not happy!I have found him to be arrogant and went on about not believing things that I read on the internet.When I asked him about Armour, he told me that it wasnt proven, and that you never see the statements from the people that it doesnt work for.Even my husband couldnt believe his attitude, and he defused the situation because I was ready to walk out as it was going to be a waste of time.Ive had more blood taken from me today and I have to see him again on the 17 March.Im not happy with my Gp either as he hadnt sent my blood results to him, sp I told him what they were, and then he said well with those results you are over active, then went on to say that GPs dont know anything about thyroid as it is a specialist illness ( that I agreed with!)So now he is going to change my meds when he sees my latest blood results.I must say things or something to get this attitude from these medical people.Oh well I guess I will have to wait and see what the next month brings me.Deb x No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 15:45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 >Hi Sheila, I hope that his excuse for being arrogant was that he had a bad day, but still no reason to take it out on me. I did tell him that I only read articles from your website, so maybe like you say its because he's feeling over worked with him getting lots of referrals from here. He's not very happy with my GP, as he said that I should have been referred to a specialist from the day I was diagnosed with it,but surely thats for theGPs to be told about surely? I have to wait now for a letter from him after he has read my blood results, with a change in my dosage. He has also told me to start taking my thyroxine at night, and that I should be taking T3 at the same time as the thyroxine and that he has never heard anything like it about taking it at different times of the day,and also that my GP shouldnt have put me on T3 in the 1st place! even though I told him that I felt better within 24 hours on it, so he said he would make a note of that. So now Im thinking if T3 has a half life what is the point in taking it once a day? He has also told me to be prepared for feeling worse again until he sorts my meds out, which Im dreading. I am really upset at the moment, and wish that I was dead, because Im sick of feeling rubbish, and no one listening, and the man that I thought would understand being arrogant with me. I know that these things take time, but I just feel that it was a waste of time yesterday after looking forward to seeing him, then leaving like I had been slapped in the face. Im glad that everyone else has have had a positive meeting with him. If hes the same with me in March then I will look at seeing another consultant. My husband couldnt beleive his attitude, especially with all the good reports about him on here. Deb x > > > I am sorry your appointment didn't go well and I am amazed that you found him " arrogant " Unfortunately, these doctors are right in that we shouldn't believe everything we read on the Internet, but they also know there is some brilliant research there as well. He is correct about Armour in that there have been no studies to show that it is better (or worse) than combination therapy using synthetic T4/T3. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 15:45 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 >Hi Sheila, I hope that his excuse for being arrogant was that he had a bad day, but still no reason to take it out on me. I did tell him that I only read articles from your website, so maybe like you say its because he's feeling over worked with him getting lots of referrals from here. He's not very happy with my GP, as he said that I should have been referred to a specialist from the day I was diagnosed with it,but surely thats for theGPs to be told about surely? I have to wait now for a letter from him after he has read my blood results, with a change in my dosage. He has also told me to start taking my thyroxine at night, and that I should be taking T3 at the same time as the thyroxine and that he has never heard anything like it about taking it at different times of the day,and also that my GP shouldnt have put me on T3 in the 1st place! even though I told him that I felt better within 24 hours on it, so he said he would make a note of that. So now Im thinking if T3 has a half life what is the point in taking it once a day? He has also told me to be prepared for feeling worse again until he sorts my meds out, which Im dreading. I am really upset at the moment, and wish that I was dead, because Im sick of feeling rubbish, and no one listening, and the man that I thought would understand being arrogant with me. I know that these things take time, but I just feel that it was a waste of time yesterday after looking forward to seeing him, then leaving like I had been slapped in the face. Im glad that everyone else has have had a positive meeting with him. If hes the same with me in March then I will look at seeing another consultant. My husband couldnt beleive his attitude, especially with all the good reports about him on here. Deb x > > > I am sorry your appointment didn't go well and I am amazed that you found him " arrogant " Unfortunately, these doctors are right in that we shouldn't believe everything we read on the Internet, but they also know there is some brilliant research there as well. He is correct about Armour in that there have been no studies to show that it is better (or worse) than combination therapy using synthetic T4/T3. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 15:45 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 >Hi Sheila, I hope that his excuse for being arrogant was that he had a bad day, but still no reason to take it out on me. I did tell him that I only read articles from your website, so maybe like you say its because he's feeling over worked with him getting lots of referrals from here. He's not very happy with my GP, as he said that I should have been referred to a specialist from the day I was diagnosed with it,but surely thats for theGPs to be told about surely? I have to wait now for a letter from him after he has read my blood results, with a change in my dosage. He has also told me to start taking my thyroxine at night, and that I should be taking T3 at the same time as the thyroxine and that he has never heard anything like it about taking it at different times of the day,and also that my GP shouldnt have put me on T3 in the 1st place! even though I told him that I felt better within 24 hours on it, so he said he would make a note of that. So now Im thinking if T3 has a half life what is the point in taking it once a day? He has also told me to be prepared for feeling worse again until he sorts my meds out, which Im dreading. I am really upset at the moment, and wish that I was dead, because Im sick of feeling rubbish, and no one listening, and the man that I thought would understand being arrogant with me. I know that these things take time, but I just feel that it was a waste of time yesterday after looking forward to seeing him, then leaving like I had been slapped in the face. Im glad that everyone else has have had a positive meeting with him. If hes the same with me in March then I will look at seeing another consultant. My husband couldnt beleive his attitude, especially with all the good reports about him on here. Deb x > > > I am sorry your appointment didn't go well and I am amazed that you found him " arrogant " Unfortunately, these doctors are right in that we shouldn't believe everything we read on the Internet, but they also know there is some brilliant research there as well. He is correct about Armour in that there have been no studies to show that it is better (or worse) than combination therapy using synthetic T4/T3. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 15:45 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 >Hi Sheila, I hope that his excuse for being arrogant was that he had a bad day, but still no reason to take it out on me. I did tell him that I only read articles from your website, so maybe like you say its because he's feeling over worked with him getting lots of referrals from here. He's not very happy with my GP, as he said that I should have been referred to a specialist from the day I was diagnosed with it,but surely thats for theGPs to be told about surely? I have to wait now for a letter from him after he has read my blood results, with a change in my dosage. He has also told me to start taking my thyroxine at night, and that I should be taking T3 at the same time as the thyroxine and that he has never heard anything like it about taking it at different times of the day,and also that my GP shouldnt have put me on T3 in the 1st place! even though I told him that I felt better within 24 hours on it, so he said he would make a note of that. So now Im thinking if T3 has a half life what is the point in taking it once a day? He has also told me to be prepared for feeling worse again until he sorts my meds out, which Im dreading. I am really upset at the moment, and wish that I was dead, because Im sick of feeling rubbish, and no one listening, and the man that I thought would understand being arrogant with me. I know that these things take time, but I just feel that it was a waste of time yesterday after looking forward to seeing him, then leaving like I had been slapped in the face. Im glad that everyone else has have had a positive meeting with him. If hes the same with me in March then I will look at seeing another consultant. My husband couldnt beleive his attitude, especially with all the good reports about him on here. Deb x > > > I am sorry your appointment didn't go well and I am amazed that you found him " arrogant " Unfortunately, these doctors are right in that we shouldn't believe everything we read on the Internet, but they also know there is some brilliant research there as well. He is correct about Armour in that there have been no studies to show that it is better (or worse) than combination therapy using synthetic T4/T3. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: 26/01/2008 15:45 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 > >Hi Sheila and all, Sorry about all these posts, dont understand why there are 5! Imat work at the moment so maybe its their server? Deb x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hi Deb I am so sorry to hear that you had such a disappointing visit with Dr Burrows. I too see him and he did say to me not to take a lot of notice of things you read on the internet. I think we have to take these comments on board as he does not know our backgrounds and that we are intelligent people who do not believe everything we read. We are reading to try to get to the bottom of this, find out what is wrong with us, correct it and get our lives back! He has put me on T3 and told me to take it with my T4 which I take at bedtime. I too questioned this but he repeated to take it with my other meds. I like you find it confusing as it does state that it has a short half life, how can it help us when we are asleep? surely we need that extra boost during the day. I decided to take mine in the morning to begin with and now I have split it into two doses one at 7 am and one at 3pm. The T3 does seem to be working (touch wood). I hope your next visit with him is more successful. Love Lizzie > > I hope that his excuse for being arrogant was that he had a bad day, > but still no reason to take it out on me. > I did tell him that I only read articles from your website, so maybe > like you say its because he's feeling over worked with him getting > lots of referrals from here. > He's not very happy with my GP, as he said that I should have been > referred to a specialist from the day I was diagnosed with it,but > surely thats for theGPs to be told about surely? > I have to wait now for a letter from him after he has read my blood > results, with a change in my dosage. > He has also told me to start taking my thyroxine at night, and that I > should be taking T3 at the same time as the thyroxine and that he has > never heard anything like it about taking it at different times of > the day,and also that my GP shouldnt have put me on T3 in the 1st > place! even though I told him that I felt better within 24 hours on > it, so he said he would make a note of that. > So now Im thinking if T3 has a half life what is the point in taking > it once a day? > He has also told me to be prepared for feeling worse again until he > sorts my meds out, which Im dreading. > I am really upset at the moment, and wish that I was dead, because Im > sick of feeling rubbish, and no one listening, and the man that I > thought would understand being arrogant with me. > I know that these things take time, but I just feel that it was a > waste of time yesterday after looking forward to seeing him, then > leaving like I had been slapped in the face. > Im glad that everyone else has have had a positive meeting with him. > If hes the same with me in March then I will look at seeing another > consultant. > My husband couldnt beleive his attitude, especially with all the good > reports about him on here. > Deb x > > > > > I am sorry your appointment didn't go well and I am amazed that you > found him " arrogant " Unfortunately, these doctors are right in that > we shouldn't believe everything we read on the Internet, but they > also know there is some brilliant research there as well. He is > correct about Armour in that there have been no studies to show that > it is better (or worse) than combination therapy using synthetic > T4/T3. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: > 26/01/2008 15:45 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 >Hi Sheila and lizzie, I think Dr Burrows knows that you have the knowledge here and thats why he's acting as he is ( with me anyways) Hes frightened that there will no longer be a need for doctors and consultants as we will all be medicating ourselves! He does know that T3 has a half life, because I questioned him on his reason of me taking T3 at night and ONCE only, and that was when he told me not to " beleive everything you read on the net " As for doing as Im told..... I know who Im better of listening to..... thats why i joined this forum! But I have started taking my thyroxine on a night,but am still splitting my T3 during the day.I just dont see the point in taking it in 1 go at night. I will be interested to see what my blood results are when he reads them as I had stopped taking any meds 2 days previous, and he is also testing my liver function and calcium and iron levels again. When I mentioned lack of weight loss he did seem to think that its maybe because Im over medicated, or there is another underlying cause, and thats why hes doing a full blood test. He is also checking for antibodies, as I dont know which thyroid prob I have, although he thinks its probably autoimmune ssing as my grandma and aunt both have it. Thankyou for allowing me to sound off on here, it has really helped me, I feel so much better today than I did yesterday, and it really does make a difference when people understand how you are feeling. Thankyou again Sheila and everyone for being here. Deb x > I can't understand Dr B wanting you to take your T3 at night - I am concerned that he doesn't know the half life of T3, but surely he does? He is right about taking your thyroxine at night - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 >Hi , Thanks for telling me that. I know everyone is different, but maybe I should try and take my T3 all > at once in a morning? and see how I feel with that? Im sure that I will notice pretty quickly whether or not I feel better or worse? It certaily would be a lot easier, cos I keep forgetting about it! Deb x > I take all my T3 once a day otherwise I get 'dips' in energy and > feel sleep all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 --- Hi Lillian, I never thought about that! My brain not upto thinking about things like that at the moment! Thankyou, I will take your good advice and give it a go:) Ive already split my dose today, but will take my T3 tommorrow in 1 go in the morning for a few days then change over. Wish I had the good sense to have thought of that damn brain! Deb x > Why not try and see what suits you best. If T3 at night keeps you awake, then try taking it in the morning. Try for a few days in the evening, then try for a few days in the morning. Then decide for yourself which you prefer and do it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 --- Hi Lilian, Thankyou for that! I will make changes on Sun and then change it over. I cant wait to have a fully functioning brain again! Deb x > now that you have started with a split dose may I suggest you do this for a few more days, as this is also an option you might find you feel better with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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