Re: Weight Watchers?

[Guest guest]

I'm a lifetime WW member, and I plan to go back for the support

factor. This was discussed on another board, and the concensus was

that WW has bee positive for those who use it. THe recommendation was

to discuss privately with the leader, and that you don't discuss the

band in the meetings, since WLS is not part of their program. But, the

discussions about food issues, meal planning, etc. are relevant to

everyone WLS or not.

Sandy in FLorida

>

> Has anyone decided to try Weight Watchers or some other eating

program

> since banding? I have been on a plateau for almost 3 months now and

> thinking maybe I need more structure in my eating habits.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was recently banded April 17th of 2008. I started with Weight

Watchers a year before being banded, and have decided to keep up with

meetings and weighing in. I do not count points because I can not eat

the amount of points that they give me, and in my head I think that

means I could drink my points...So I stay and eat off the core list

which works with the band. Core is where you eat food from a specified

list and you eat until your satisfied. No points to count as long as

you are eating Core foods. (core foods are wholesome non proccessed

foods...basics lean meats, Vegies, Fruit and whole grains but no

breads or proccessed meats like Bacon.)

If you are on a plateau I think it would be a good ideal or meet with

your surgeon to see if there is something they can help you do. My doc

has a hand out that ask you banding questions and everytime I go

through the list there is one or two I am not being good on, and then

I tweak my behavior back and I drop more weight the next week.

I also have found that our old habbits and self sabbotage are only

around the corner so to keep band rules and healthy eating habbits I

constantly read through my materials as if it is the first time I

received them.

>

> Has anyone decided to try Weight Watchers or some other eating

program

> since banding? I have been on a plateau for almost 3 months now and

> thinking maybe I need more structure in my eating habits.

>

[Guest guest]

-Becky,

Check with your surgeon if you are a plateau. you may need an

adjustment.

-- In , " bandster_becky " <boneill@...>

wrote:

>

> Has anyone decided to try Weight Watchers or some other eating

program

> since banding? I have been on a plateau for almost 3 months now and

> thinking maybe I need more structure in my eating habits.

>

[Guest guest]

i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability. the eating

plans are not good for bandsters, though - if we can use what works,

along with the BAND eating plans and needs, it's an ideal combination,

imo.

you may also want to consider joining my plateaux-busting diet study -

still time to join. I'ts been very effective for those reporting

results so far.

see message # 12144 for more info.

Sandy r

>

> Has anyone decided to try Weight Watchers or some other eating

program

> since banding? I have been on a plateau for almost 3 months now and

> thinking maybe I need more structure in my eating habits.

>

[Guest guest]

I was on a pre-op diet and joined WW. I follow their CORE plan and it helped me

log and keep track of my weight loss weekly. I was banded on 3/19/08 and I am

still part of their program and follow their guidelines. No one at WW knows I

had weight loss surgery as WW shuns WLS patients I hear.

Their recipes are great and the meetings are great support. I just adjust their

recipes and bariatric them up a bit to fit within our diet guidelines.

3/19/08

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[Guest guest]

I'm a big fan of WW and Gail and I both go (she's not banded, but was

stapled some 27 years ago, long since stretched out). I don't think

that there is anything in their guidelines that contradicts band

recommendations, though there may be foods that bandsters won't or

can't eat. However, no foods are prescribed or forbidden, so the

structure of counting points is helpful for me. When I do count

points I do well. When I don't, as the last few weeks I reported on,

I don't.

dan

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 10:40:10 AM, you wrote:

> Has anyone decided to try Weight Watchers or some other eating program

> since banding? I have been on a plateau for almost 3 months now and

> thinking maybe I need more structure in my eating habits.

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

I do the CORE program with WW and the CORE food list is high protein, fiber,

and low sodium. LOTS of water intake. They do have the weight watchers

breads that are low carb now but I use the ARNOLD's bread line which are lower

in

carbs than the WW when I do want a half tuna sandwich for lunch.

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[Guest guest]

My recommendation is to NOT tell them anything about the WLS, whatever

it may be. They don't need to know. They're not asking you about

what you're eating, or quantities.

And agree completely to NEVER mention WLS in a meeting.

dan

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 10:48:55 AM, you wrote:

> THe recommendation was

> to discuss privately with the leader, and that you don't discuss the

> band in the meetings, since WLS is not part of their program.

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

Sandy, what are the problems for bandsters? Yes, we can't or don't

eat specific things that are guidelines, but there is nothing

prescribed to eat.

dan

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 11:07:13 AM, you wrote:

> i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability. the eating

> plans are not good for bandsters, though

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

I'm probably out of date with the newer WW food plans, but the last I

saw wanted servings of breads, pasta, rice, etc and other stuff we

need to avoid. I'm sure you're more current than I am -

How does the WW point syatem work with bandter food needs re protein,

fiber, etc ?

sandy r

>

> > i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability. the

eating

> > plans are not good for bandsters, though

>

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

[Guest guest]

, Yes they do....its the CORE OPTION. You can eat all you want of

fish, lean proteins, fruits and veggies and less of the rice, pasta, breads,

etc.

That is what I had been following prior to my surgery for pre-op and I lost

36 lbs in 3 months and I do follow it now but use the recipes that are shared,

etc and bariatric them up and I also use a lot of them for inspiration to

create my own recipes to fit the bandster lifestyle.

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[Guest guest]

Each point is basically 50 calories, and the number of points

allocated depends on your gender, age, and weight. And of course that

is just a guideline. And there are 35 " extra points " you can use

during the week if you wish to, whatever and whenver (like if you're

out to dinner and want to have some ice cream or whatever, that you'd

generally avoid). They recommend a couple of teaspoons of essential

oils a day (which I don't always do), and appropriate amounts of

fiber from appropriate sources (not supplements or anything like

that).

For me, the 30 points a day means about 1500 calories, which is at low

end of someone of my weight, but I'm also old, and lose a couple

because of that, due to slowing metabolism.

You can also add points for exercise.

That's the basics, but would be glad to send you more info if you

wanted it. Guarantee you it is nothing like the olden days when you

were required to have liver twice a week, etc.

But the general support and cameraderie is worth a lot, especially if

you don't have a local band group.

Like any organization, some meetings have better leaders than others

do, But they're all following the same concepts/curriculum each week.

dan

Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 3:05:44 PM, you wrote:

> I'm probably out of date with the newer WW food plans, but the last I

> saw wanted servings of breads, pasta, rice, etc and other stuff we

> need to avoid. I'm sure you're more current than I am -

> How does the WW point syatem work with bandter food needs re protein,

> fiber, etc ?

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

I am new here, but know the answer to this, at least a while back

this was so. Everything you eat has a value of points. You can eat

whatever you want but don't go over the points for the day. If I am

recalling right, if you average it out over everything, as a rule, 1

point equalled about 50 calories, give or take a few. So fatty foods

would have larger point values. I would assume to make it work for a

bandster, you would make food choices that a bandster should have. I

think that it is basically controlling quantity of calories consumed.

I've done it in the past. The heavier you are, the more points you

get. As you lose, you get less.

At 05:05 PM 9/2/2008, you wrote:

>I'm probably out of date with the newer WW food plans, but the last I

>saw wanted servings of breads, pasta, rice, etc and other stuff we

>need to avoid. I'm sure you're more current than I am -

>How does the WW point syatem work with bandter food needs re protein,

>fiber, etc ?

>

>sandy r

>

>

> >

> > > i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability. the

>eating

> > > plans are not good for bandsters, though

> >

> >

> > --

> > " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

>Jon Bon Jovi

> > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nice explantion, - thanks!

so if we are aiming for 1500-1800 cal to start - good for most women -

we'd get about 30 to 36 points, and would need to make good

bandster choices from among them.

Sounds reasonable to me, as long as we know the bandstder foods to

meet the 50 gm protein, 25 fiber, 1200-1500 mg calcium, omega 3 oil

foods, etc.

sandy r

> > >

> > > > i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability.

the

> >eating

> > > > plans are not good for bandsters, though

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

> >Jon Bon Jovi

> > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> > > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> > > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been curious about that. If I were to eat 1500-1800 calories per

day, would I still lose? I am only 40# over the high end of

overweight. So 40 would put me in the normal range. I've done 1200

calories per day diets and always lost so slow, if at all. I am a

terrible loser. I think the last time I was on weight watchers I had

24-26 points per day. I did lose, slowly, but then couldn't keep it

off. I lost maybe 20 #

At 05:44 PM 9/2/2008, you wrote:

>Nice explantion, - thanks!

>

>so if we are aiming for 1500-1800 cal to start - good for most women -

>we'd get about 30 to 36 points, and would need to make good

>bandster choices from among them.

>

>Sounds reasonable to me, as long as we know the bandstder foods to

>meet the 50 gm protein, 25 fiber, 1200-1500 mg calcium, omega 3 oil

>foods, etc.

>

>sandy r

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability.

>the

> > >eating

> > > > > plans are not good for bandsters, though

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

> > >Jon Bon Jovi

> > > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> > > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> > > > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> > > > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's a very low start weight, and some this low lose very slowly,

simply becuase there is not much calorie deficit. The 1500-1800 cal a

day is more for people starting in the 350-400# range.

If you're exercising moderately, 1200-1500 cal is about right. If you

are exercising heabily, you need much more to avoid the " starvation

mode " (i prefer to call it the " deprivation mode " since we are not

really starving) .

The band was not designed for those less than about 80-100#

overweight, so there is much to learn about nutrition and safety for

those starting lower.

You can figure out the calories needed to lose slowly by calculating

your BMR.-http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/ns421/BMR.html

Then, to lose 1-2 3 a week, you need to lower calories by 3500 (1 #)

or 7000 (2#) per week - that is 500-1000 cal less per day.

Ask if you need more help - but we really don't have to be this

exact.

Sandy r

-- In , <brenda_m@...> wrote:

>

> I've been curious about that. If I were to eat 1500-1800 calories

per

> day, would I still lose? I am only 40# over the high end of

> overweight. So 40 would put me in the normal range. I've done 1200

> calories per day diets and always lost so slow, if at all. I am a

> terrible loser. I think the last time I was on weight watchers I

had

> 24-26 points per day. I did lose, slowly, but then couldn't keep

it

> off. I lost maybe 20 #

>

>

> At 05:44 PM 9/2/2008, you wrote:

>

> >Nice explantion, - thanks!

> >

> >so if we are aiming for 1500-1800 cal to start - good for most

women -

> >we'd get about 30 to 36 points, and would need to make good

> >bandster choices from among them.

> >

> >Sounds reasonable to me, as long as we know the bandstder foods to

> >meet the 50 gm protein, 25 fiber, 1200-1500 mg calcium, omega 3 oil

> >foods, etc.

> >

> >sandy r

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > i think WW is excellent for the support and

accountability.

> >the

> > > >eating

> > > > > > plans are not good for bandsters, though

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this

life "

> > > >Jon Bon Jovi

> > > > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> > > > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> > > > > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4

years

> > > > > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in

Tijuana

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am just starting to exercise, so moderately would even be pushing

it. I have bad arthritis, so it has been hard. I've had a toe joint

replacement that wasn't successful, and 2 shoulder surgeries that

weren't totally successful either. I am walking a couple of times a

week, and just starting the Tony Little Gazelle. I think that is what

it is called. I am not on full food yet, just chicken,turkey, fish,

seafood, soft cheese, cottage cheese, sf yogurt, sf pudding and eggs.

Oh, I did beg and they gave me cantaloupe and watermelong though I

won't get other fruits and vegetables to 6-8 weeks out. I am 4

now. Most days I am getting 600-800 calories. My Nut said that it is

pretty normal for this time and that once I get the carbs, it will go

up to 800-1000. I am tracking on dailyplate.com so if I would go into

deprivation mode, I would up the calories. I've really been

researching lapband for almost a year, but it is a lot different when

you actually have it.

Thanks,

At 06:00 PM 9/2/2008, you wrote:

>That's a very low start weight, and some this low lose very slowly,

>simply becuase there is not much calorie deficit. The 1500-1800 cal a

>day is more for people starting in the 350-400# range.

>

>If you're exercising moderately, 1200-1500 cal is about right. If you

>are exercising heabily, you need much more to avoid the " starvation

>mode " (i prefer to call it the " deprivation mode " since we are not

>really starving) .

>

>The band was not designed for those less than about 80-100#

>overweight, so there is much to learn about nutrition and safety for

>those starting lower.

>

>You can figure out the calories needed to lose slowly by calculating

>your

><BMR.-http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/ns421/BMR.html>BMR.-http://instr\

uct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/ns421/BMR.html

>

>Then, to lose 1-2 3 a week, you need to lower calories by 3500 (1 #)

>or 7000 (2#) per week - that is 500-1000 cal less per day.

>

>Ask if you need more help - but we really don't have to be this

>exact.

>Sandy r

>

>-- In

><mailto:%40> ,

> <brenda_m@...> wrote:

> >

> > I've been curious about that. If I were to eat 1500-1800 calories

>per

> > day, would I still lose? I am only 40# over the high end of

> > overweight. So 40 would put me in the normal range. I've done 1200

> > calories per day diets and always lost so slow, if at all. I am a

> > terrible loser. I think the last time I was on weight watchers I

>had

> > 24-26 points per day. I did lose, slowly, but then couldn't keep

>it

> > off. I lost maybe 20 #

> >

> >

> > At 05:44 PM 9/2/2008, you wrote:

> >

> > >Nice explantion, - thanks!

> > >

> > >so if we are aiming for 1500-1800 cal to start - good for most

>women -

> > >we'd get about 30 to 36 points, and would need to make good

> > >bandster choices from among them.

> > >

> > >Sounds reasonable to me, as long as we know the bandstder foods to

> > >meet the 50 gm protein, 25 fiber, 1200-1500 mg calcium, omega 3 oil

> > >foods, etc.

> > >

> > >sandy r

> > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > i think WW is excellent for the support and

>accountability.

> > >the

> > > > >eating

> > > > > > > plans are not good for bandsters, though

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this

>life "

> > > > >Jon Bon Jovi

> > > > > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> > > > > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> > > > > > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4

>years

> > > > > > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in

>Tijuana

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

This is exactly what I was told by my doctor's nutritionist when I

mentioned joining WW. She said that following the WW meal plan not

only gives us too much food but also doesn't stress the importance of

getting the protein and veggies in before the carbs. The group support

and accountability of the scale on a weekly basis, however, is worth

the membership price to me as long as I don't start thinking that I

should follow the meal plan as well.

// i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability. the

eating plans are not good for bandsters, though// -

[Guest guest]

, do your best to up your calories, as you're already in

deprivation mode. it is not hard to do - simply add a couple of

glasses of nonfat milk a day with a tsp or twp of almond butter which

has the good omega 3 oils, or a tsp or 2 of omega 3/6 oil at 120 cal

a tsp. these are all needed things anyway.

we need a minimum of 1200-1500 cal asap to supply good nutrition for

healing and for safe weight loss. if you're over 350 #, you need more

like 1500-1800 cal a day, mimimum.

why no veggies for 6 weeks? i can think of no reason at all for this -

kind of unusual. The good carbs, including veggies, are as essential

as protein. What are you doing now for fiber, if you can;t have

veggies or grains?

More in the Band guide in the files, if you're interested, about

bandster nutrition needs.

Can you do water aerobics? they are ideal fo those with joint

problems. There are always SOME exercises w can do, if we are open to

new things.

you're sure right that having the band on a day to day basis is far

diffeernet than just reading about it! Lots of very new things for

all of us - and lots to forget from what we thought we knew before -

after all it didn't work anyway, or none of us would be here needing

banding! :-)

sandy r

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i think WW is excellent for the support and

> >accountability.

> > > >the

> > > > > >eating

> > > > > > > > plans are not good for bandsters, though

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in

this

> >life "

> > > > > >Jon Bon Jovi

> > > > > > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> > > > > > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> > > > > > > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost

4

> >years

> > > > > > > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in

> >Tijuana

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

When I went to WW about 4-5 years ago the Points system also had a higher

protein/less carb option to follow as well. Do they still do that?

@...: honu@...: Tue, 2 Sep

2008 15:18:13 -0600Subject: Re: Re: Weight Watchers?

Each point is basically 50 calories, and the number of pointsallocated depends

on your gender, age, and weight. And of course thatis just a guideline. And

there are 35 " extra points " you can useduring the week if you wish to, whatever

and whenver (like if you'reout to dinner and want to have some ice cream or

whatever, that you'dgenerally avoid). They recommend a couple of teaspoons of

essentialoils a day (which I don't always do), and appropriate amounts offiber

from appropriate sources (not supplements or anything likethat).For me, the 30

points a day means about 1500 calories, which is at lowend of someone of my

weight, but I'm also old, and lose a couplebecause of that, due to slowing

metabolism.You can also add points for exercise.That's the basics, but would be

glad to send you more info if youwanted it. Guarantee you it is nothing like the

olden days when youwere required to have liver twice a week, etc.But the general

support and cameraderie is worth a lot, especially ifyou don't have a local band

group.Like any organization, some meetings have better leaders than othersdo,

But they're all following the same concepts/curriculum each week.danTuesday,

September 2, 2008, 3:05:44 PM, you wrote:> I'm probably out of date with the

newer WW food plans, but the last I > saw wanted servings of breads, pasta,

rice, etc and other stuff we > need to avoid. I'm sure you're more current than

I am - > How does the WW point syatem work with bandter food needs re protein, >

fiber, etc ?-- " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon JoviDan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tkBanded 4/27/03, Dr.

Ortiz, TijuanaStarted at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4

yearsUltimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

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[Guest guest]

FYI this is the amount of points allowed by the individuals weight. Like it was

mentioned, each point is about 50 calories.

less than 150: 18-23 Points

150-174: 20-25 Points

175-199: 22-27 Points

200-224: 24-29 Points

225-249: 26-31 Points

250-274: 28-33 Points

275-299: 29-34 Points

300-324: 30-35 Points

325-349: 31-36 Points

more than 350: 32-37 Points

If you don't have any idea how many points a certain food has you can use the

formula to figure it out:

where p is the number of points, c is the amount of energy in Calories (1

Calorie (Cal) ≡ 1 kilocalorie (kcal) ≈ 4.2 kilojoules (kJ)), f is the amount

of fat in grams, and min{r,4} is the lesser of the amount of dietary fiber in

grams or four. The value is always an integer, with fractional values rounded to

the nearest point.

@...: moonshadow.sandy@...: Tue, 2

Sep 2008 21:44:58 +0000Subject: Re: Weight Watchers?

Nice explantion, - thanks!so if we are aiming for 1500-1800 cal to start

- good for most women -we'd get about 30 to 36 points, and would need to make

good bandster choices from among them.Sounds reasonable to me, as long as we

know the bandstder foods to meet the 50 gm protein, 25 fiber, 1200-1500 mg

calcium, omega 3 oil foods, etc. sandy r> > >> > > > i think WW is excellent for the

support and accountability. the> >eating> > > > plans are not good for

bandsters, though> > >> > >> > > --> > > " It's OK to be a little broken,

everybody's broken in this life " > >Jon Bon Jovi> > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho,

USA www.mylapband.tk> > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana> > > Started at

355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years> > > Ultimate goal of 195

Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana> > >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions

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, I just posted the points values by individual weight. If you multiply

the number of points it says you should have times 50 calories it will give you

your calorie range where you should lose 1-2 pounds per week (which is what WW

says you should lose per their program).

@...: brenda_m@...: Tue, 2 Sep

2008 17:49:55 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Weight Watchers?

I've been curious about that. If I were to eat 1500-1800 calories per day, would

I still lose? I am only 40# over the high end of overweight. So 40 would put me

in the normal range. I've done 1200 calories per day diets and always lost so

slow, if at all. I am a terrible loser. I think the last time I was on weight

watchers I had 24-26 points per day. I did lose, slowly, but then couldn't keep

it off. I lost maybe 20 #At 05:44 PM 9/2/2008, you wrote:>Nice explantion,

- thanks!>>so if we are aiming for 1500-1800 cal to start - good for most

women ->we'd get about 30 to 36 points, and would need to make good>bandster

choices from among them.>>Sounds reasonable to me, as long as we know the

bandstder foods to>meet the 50 gm protein, 25 fiber, 1200-1500 mg calcium, omega

3 oil>foods, etc.>>sandy r>>> > > >> > > > > i think WW is excellent for the support

and accountability.>the> > >eating> > > > > plans are not good for bandsters,

though> > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > " It's OK to be a little broken,

everybody's broken in this life " > > >Jon Bon Jovi> > > > Dan Lester, Boise,

Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk> > > > Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana> > > >

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years> > > > Ultimate

goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana> > > >> > >> > >> >> >>

>

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A point is a point is a point just like a calorie. If we follow the points

system we don't have to eat carbs as long as we eat proper band food and count

those points accordingly we are simply being accountable. Like the commercial

said years ago you can eat whatever you want as long as you only eat the number

of points you are alloted.

@...: branjo_70@...: Tue, 2 Sep

2008 22:51:09 +0000Subject: Re: Weight Watchers?

This is exactly what I was told by my doctor's nutritionist when I mentioned

joining WW. She said that following the WW meal plan not only gives us too much

food but also doesn't stress the importance of getting the protein and veggies

in before the carbs. The group support and accountability of the scale on a

weekly basis, however, is worth the membership price to me as long as I don't

start thinking that I should follow the meal plan as well.// i think WW is excellent for the support and accountability. the eating

plans are not good for bandsters, though// -

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Sandy, can you believe that my friend (3 years post op) went in for a fill and

her NEW band doc told her that she is eating too many calories and she is

consuming on most days at the most 1200 calories according to her food log. He

said he wants her to eat 600-800 calories. The nutritionist sees nothing wrong

with her calories at 1200, but knocked her for having 5 crackers with her tuna.

I told her to RUN from the doc! She was so upset after her appt that she was in

tears. He made her feel like crap because she went in for help and all he did

was slam her. She thinks she has a small leak because she keeps losing 0.5-1.0

cc between fills 3 months apart (she has a small band). The doc bumps her back

up to 3.0 cc and sends her home. She's already changed from one band doc to

another and the NUT said that the patients of her prior band doc are being

blackballed by other docs because many local docs don't agree with his diet

(limit carbs to a certain number). Not sure it is smart of the NUT to be

telling patients that, but she's not the only one who's had trouble with Dr.

Greene.

@...: moonshadow.sandy@...: Tue, 2

Sep 2008 23:13:42 +0000Subject: Re: Weight Watchers?

, do your best to up your calories, as you're already in deprivation mode.

it is not hard to do - simply add a couple of glasses of nonfat milk a day with

a tsp or twp of almond butter which has the good omega 3 oils, or a tsp or 2 of

omega 3/6 oil at 120 cal a tsp. these are all needed things anyway.we need a

minimum of 1200-1500 cal asap to supply good nutrition for healing and for safe

weight loss. if you're over 350 #, you need more like 1500-1800 cal a day,

mimimum. why no veggies for 6 weeks? i can think of no reason at all for this

-kind of unusual. The good carbs, including veggies, are as essential as

protein. What are you doing now for fiber, if you can;t have veggies or grains?

More in the Band guide in the files, if you're interested, about bandster

nutrition needs. Can you do water aerobics? they are ideal fo those with joint

problems. There are always SOME exercises w can do, if we are open to new

things. you're sure right that having the band on a day to day basis is far

diffeernet than just reading about it! Lots of very new things for all of us -

and lots to forget from what we thought we knew before - after all it didn't

work anyway, or none of us would be here needing banding! :-)sandy r> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > i think WW is excellent for the support and> >accountability.>

> > >the> > > > > >eating> > > > > > > > plans are not good for bandsters,

though> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --> > > > > > > " It's OK to be a

little broken, everybody's broken in this> >life " > > > > > >Jon Bon Jovi> > > >

> > > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk> > > > > > > Banded

4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana> > > > > > > Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220

range for almost 4> >years> > > > > > > Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise

and SmartLipo in> >Tijuana> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>

> > > >

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Thanks , I'll have to pull my WW books out after I have the baby to help

keep me on track calorie wise. This is of course after I get a nice fill!

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