Hello I'm New

June 12, 2000

hi lesley,

sorry to hear of your poor baby's reaction--i pray there will be no more

" side effects " that show up later on. it's unfortunate, but most parents are

unaware of the risks associated with vax until they experience them & then it

may be too late for their little one. congratulations on your upcoming birth

and i don't mean to pressure you, but, you need to get going asap, preparing

yourself and making decisions for this baby's birth--DO NOT just hope that

you will find another understanding dr.--the one you found was a

rarity--believe me!!!! you need to make a serious commitment (your husband

too) about what you will and will not allow to be done to your child when it

is born. do not think that you can just casually mention to your delivering

ob and nurse, that you don't want anything " done " to your newborn--because

they'll do it all anyway. you need to be extremely specific and asserative

in your stance. i don't know what state you're in, or if they will attempt

the hep b vax at birth, but call hospital and inquire now(or talk to your

ob--don't think this one talk will suiffice for a final decision

either--you'll need to up on EVERYTHEING that is done to the baby as soon as

it comes out). anyway, i'm just trying to get you to prepare yourself before

it is too late--ask here on this list for advice, direction etc, they are

lots of knowledgeable/experienced people here who will help you. good luck

and again, welcome!!!

brigit

June 12, 2000

Hi and welcome! Just a side note first of all........I didn't even notice

you wrote midol instead of motrin until you corrected yourself! I guess with

us women, those things can easily get interchanged! LOL

Anyway.......I first want to say that I think it's awesome how the emergency

room doctor handled your situation! That is awesome! I think you should

write him a thank you or something! I wish I could find a doctor that would

respect me as an ADULT PARENT!!!!

As for your second child, I wanted to suggest to you something........talk

with your OB about writing up a birth plan and what you want or don't want.

I'd probably make a big deal to them about what happened to your

daughter..........they don't need to know all the details........just tell

them that your daughter had a reaction to her vaccines that was proven by

your doctor, and therefore you and your husband have decided to delay your

newborn's vaccinations awhile. Therefore, you DO NOT want them done at

birth. They don't have to know that you aren't planning to have them done at

all......just tell them you're going to delay them, due to the reaction your

first child had! The least amount you tell them, the better. Plus, write up

a birth plan that would tell your desires and wishes. You sign it, your

husband signs it, and your doctor signs it. The only way they can go against

that is if there is an emergency! Friends of mine did this and were glad

they did!

Another thing I would suggest is....do not let that baby out of your sight

while you are in the hospital. This isn't to scare you and you don't need to

be paranoid; however, I would suggest that whereever that baby goes......your

husband goes. The baby should be able to stay in your room the whole time if

you want (atleast that's how it is here in Iowa). The only reason our son

was taken out of the room was for a bath and picture, and there's no reason

your husband shouldn't be able to go with the child!

I pray you have a safe and uncomplicated delivery and are able to enjoy the

birth of your newest little one!

Debi

June 12, 2000

Once in there I saw

first the triage nurse who gave her some midol,

Duh I meant Motrin not midol...lol

=====

Lesley

Married to my high school sweetheart:

Todd 4/18/98

Mommie 2:

Kaylie 2/23/99

Audrina Marie due to arrive 7/14/00

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June 12, 2000

--- beebemcel@... wrote:

i don't know what state you're in,

> or if they will attempt

> the hep b vax at birth,

Hi Brigit-

We live in PA where when my dd was born they told me

AFTERWARDS that she had the hep b shot. Never once did

they ask me or my dh for permission, they just gave it

to her, so I guess you're right I need to take charge

now and straighten out everyone before my baby is

born. Thanks

=====

Lesley

Married to my high school sweetheart:

Todd 4/18/98

Mommie 2:

Kaylie 2/23/99

Audrina Marie due to arrive 7/14/00

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June 12, 2000

In a message dated 6/12/00 6:21:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

clewell821@... writes:

<< doesn't administer

any shots without my knowledge. Any ideas on how to

handle this? >>

Lesley -

Hi, and welcome to the group!! I'm glad everything worked out well with your

daughter.

As far as your upcoming birth, you have the right to deny the Hep B shot, the

eye salve and the Vitamin K shot if you so chose. My best advice is include

it in your birth plan with your ob/gyn ASAP. Also, as soon as you arrive at

the hospital (or before...whenever you fill out the paperwork for your

hospital) inform them of your wishes, especially pertaining to the Hep B

shot. MAKE SURE that they give you something to sign saying that you do not

want the shot. If you don't sign anything, chances are good that they may

still do it and say 'we forgot'. (They could still do it with a signature,

but you have a better chance.) The best thing we did was that my husband was

in charge of making sure our wishes were followed so I could focus on

delivery. And the second thing...unless an emergency occurs, do not let your

baby out of your sight. Most hospitals do rooming in now, so that she can

stay with you at all times. When they take her to the nursery for weighing,

have your husband go with you. Always being there is the only way to make

sure that they don't do anything outside of your wishes.

Good luck, and congratulations on your upcoming arrival!!

Teri and (6/4/99)

June 12, 2000

>I am currently expecting another baby in July. I can

>only pray the hospital I go to has a doctor as

>understanding as this one was and doesn't administer

>any shots without my knowledge. Any ideas on how to

>handle this? Thanks for any advice in advance and for

>listening.

Hi Lesley,

If it were me I'd do everything I could to get those toxins out of her

body. I don't want to scare you, but your daughter may not be out of the

woods yet. If you knew how many times your same story has happened......

Homeopathy works well with that, often. If it were me I'd see a quality

classical homeopath right away. If you are interested, email me as to

where you live.

See article I wrote on how homeopathy works

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

2nd - PLEASE fill out a VAERS form - Vaccine reaction form. Your doctor by

law should fill one out but it doesn't sound like he would, so you should.

This is the only way we can track what goes on and get something done about

it and also you are covered for the future. Call National Vaccine

Information Center 1-800-909-shot for details.

3rd - Glad you are on the list. Now is when you need to research

everything you can so you know that you don't want anymore vaccines - know

the risks of the diseases and the risks of the vaccines. I personally

don't think any vaccines are necessary, but you need to come to this

conclusion yourself.

4th Know your states exemptions from vaccines.

Sheri

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June 12, 2000

sign papers saying you don't want them. have someone totally separate from

your family with you who will be designated to stay with the baby and make

sure nothing is done that you don't want done until you are ready to be with

it and take over. my dil is due 7/17. once the baby is born it is mine to

watch over. we also have someone else to be there. that way my son can

watch over the other children and his wife and neither one has to be

concerned about what is being done to the newborn.

Hello I'm new

>Hi everyone. I'm new here. Alison recommened this list

>to me and I'm glad

>

>I guess I should begin by saying " it happened to me " .

>I was always one of those parents who just accepted

>whatever the doctor told me, did whatever they said,

>got my daughter whatever shots she needed, never said

>a word. After this past round of vaccines I see things

>very differently.

>

>Alison posted a messages that I put on our Feb 99 list

>so you may know a little of my story already. I have a

>beautiful 15 month daughter named Kaylie . Up

>till now Kaylie has always received vaccines and never

>had a problem with them. On June 1st she went for her

>15 month appointment and was given the HIB, dpt,

>polio, and MMR. She's had them all before except the

>MMR. The next day I did not recognize my own daughter.

>

>She was hysterical, screaming, crying, falling over,

>inconsolable. She wasn't running a fever, but she was

>miserable. I called her pediatrician who tried to tell

>me it more of the stress of moving into a new place

>than a reaction to the shot. We'd been living here a

>week already....funny how she was perfectly fine till

>she got the shot. The next day wasn't much better but

>by Monday she seemed fully recovered and was herself

>again.

>

>Saturday night while getting her ready for bed, I

>noticed she was very hot. Upon taking her temperature

>it was 100.4. Not real high and I thought well it

>could be due to teething. I gave her some tylenol and

>didn't think much more about it. Since the incident

>the following week, we've been co-sleeping and I woke

>during the night to feel her burning up agaisnt me. I

>took her temp again and it was 102. Sunday morning I

>again called the ped who once again strongly denied

>that it could be from the shot, and went through this

>list a mile long asking question after question trying

>to find another answer. I got nowhere and hung up

>extremly frustrated.

>

>By mid-afternoon her temperature soared to 104

>rectally. I took her to the ER. Once in there I saw

>first the triage nurse who gave her some midol, and

>sent me into another waiting room. A nurse checked her

>in there. Both the triage nurse and nurse in the ER

>didn't believe this came from the shot, again dashing

>around it. By the time she was FIANLLY seen by the ER

>doctor my poor baby was a mess. She was screaming

>uncontrollably(having being forced to wait 2 hours to

>be seen) and she just didn't want to be there another

>second. I again went throught the speech about the mmr

>shot figuring I was probably wasting my time since no

>one seemed to want to hear it. The ER doctor asked

>when she had the shot, and for the first time someone

>AGREED with me!!!! I was so happy I could've kissed

>the doctor..lol. He gave me a bunch of information

>that pointed to a reaction and said this was the time

>she would get the fever. Her recommened a different

>pediatricain for me, and also told me to purchase the

>book " A shot in the Dark " . He said lots of people are

>in denial of these things becasue no one wants to

>ADMIT it!!! I was soooooooooooooo mad, I thought about

>suing the ped!! All I can say is Kaylie will NEVER get

>another vaccination!!!!

>

>After examining her with a complete physical he

>determined nothing was wrong other than the fever. He

>said I should watch for a rash, or other symptoms, but

>that the worst was over. Of course he also told me

>there could be long-term things that I might not know

>about for a while, but for now everything looks

>normal. SO all I can do is pray she'll be ok. This

>was the scariest thing that ever happened to me, you

>never know what's going to happen. So no more for

>her!!!

>

>I am currently expecting another baby in July. I can

>only pray the hospital I go to has a doctor as

>understanding as this one was and doesn't administer

>any shots without my knowledge. Any ideas on how to

>handle this? Thanks for any advice in advance and for

>listening.

>

>=====

>Lesley

>Married to my high school sweetheart:

>Todd 4/18/98

>Mommie 2:

>Kaylie 2/23/99

>Audrina Marie due to arrive 7/14/00

>

>__________________________________________________

>

June 12, 2000

Lesley,

Welcome to the list and congrats on the impending birth.I hope that Kaylie

will be okay.I agree with Brigit in that you need to get moving on those

newborn procedures.Best advice is NEVER EVER let your newborn out of your

sight.Insist that she stay in the room with you.Everything like NB checks

can(and should ) be done at bedside with both parents present.Mother provides

better warmth than those bun burners.I know how hospitals can be,but it is

your right and obligation to do what you feel is appropriate for your

child.If you opt for the vitK injection check the bottle before they draw out

the dose(it is a bottle no?).Never know if it could be a hepB vaccine instead!

Wishing you a wonderful birth.And I am sure others would agree that a

homeopath would be a good idea for Kaylie.

Welcome!

I am a feb 99 mum too!

Sara-mom to Nimet born at home UC 2-9-99

June 12, 2000

Also you may want to give your daughter Vitamin A. In Africa they give it

along with MMR. Why not here?

Here is research by Megson, MD at Autism/MMR conference. Its a little

complicated but you'll get the drift...She is treating children with

vaccine damage from MMR with Vitamin A - she has found their vitamin A

stores to be depleted totally by the vaccine..

Sheri

If you would like the full article, email me.

Excerpts....

April 6, 2000

Mr. Chairman, Honorable Dan Burton and members of the committee;

My name is Norfleet Megson. I am a board-certified pediatrician,

Fellowship trained in Child Development, a member of the American Academy

of Pediatrics and Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Medical College of

Virginia. I have practiced pediatrics for twenty-two years, the last

fifteen years seeing only children with Developmental Disabilities, which

include learning disabilities, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,

cerebral palsy, mental retardation and autism.

Excerpted....

I am using natural lipid soluble concentrated cis form of Vitamin A in cod

liver oil to bypass blocked G protein pathways and turn on these central

retinoid receptors. In a few days, most of these children regain eye

contact and some say their “box” of clear vision grows. After two months on

Vitamin A treatment some of these children, when given a single dose of

bethanechol to stimulate pathways in the parasympathetic system in the gut,

focus, laugh, concentrate, show a sense of humor, and talk after 30 minutes

as if reconnected.20

This improves cognition, but they are still physically ill. When these

children get the MMR vaccine, their Vitamin A stores are depleted; they can

not compensate for blocked pathways. Lack of Vitamin A which has been

called “the anti-infective agent,” leaves them immuno-suppressed. They lack

cell-mediated immunity. T cell activation, important for long term immune

memory, requires 14-hydroxy retro-retinol. On cod liver oil, the only

natural source of this natural substance, the children get well. The

parasympathetic nervous system is blocked by the second G protein defect.

These children are unable to relax, focus and digest their food. Instead,

they are in sympathetic overdrive with a constant outpouring of adrenaline

and stress hormones. They are anxious, pace, have dilated pupils, high

blood pressure and heart rate. These and other symptoms of attention

deficit hyperactivity disorder are part of this constant “fright or flight”

response. These symptoms improve on bethanechol.

excerpted...

Megson, MD

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Just a side note. I had mentioned awhile ago about how we were concerned

that our daughter might be colorblind. I attended the 4/6/00 hearing

and spoke with Dr. Megson afterward and asked her if it were a

possibility. I figured if a vaccine such as MMR could rob the body or

deplete the body of certain vitamins, including vit. A that maybe Hep B

could do the same thing. She said it was a possibility and that she had

heard of such things. I asked her if the cod liver oil could help and

she thought it could possibly and at worst it would not hurt. So I

ordered the brand that she uses by Kirkman Laboratories which makes one

that is certified to be mercury free. (This is a big issue if you have

seen the recent posts about fish, specifically tuna, due to dangerous

levels of mercury.) I keep it in a refrigerator to keep it fresher.

After an initial challenge, my daughter bit into one of the capsules:(,

our daughter started taking the cod liver capsules. In less than 2

months (about 6 weeks) we have seen a difference in her response to

colors. She very clearly is still having some challenge with certain

shades of blue but it appears that she is being able to 'see' the other

colors. She is responding when we ask her to bring specific items by

color. This has been a blessing. We are continuing to give the cod

liver oil in the hopes that any damage can hopefully be corrected. Of

course, proving that a correction took place would be difficult since

she was never diagnosed as color blind. It was based strictly on what we

have witnessed. At the same time, I am unwilling to wait 2 more years

for a diagnosis and take the chance that any damage can not be helped.

Thought you all might find this interesting.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> Also you may want to give your daughter Vitamin A. In Africa they give it

> along with MMR. Why not here?

>

> Here is research by Megson, MD at Autism/MMR conference. Its a little

> complicated but you'll get the drift...She is treating children with

> vaccine damage from MMR with Vitamin A - she has found their vitamin A

> stores to be depleted totally by the vaccine..

> Sheri

>

> If you would like the full article, email me.

>

> Excerpts....

>

> April 6, 2000

>

> Mr. Chairman, Honorable Dan Burton and members of the committee;

>

> My name is Norfleet Megson. I am a board-certified pediatrician,

> Fellowship trained in Child Development, a member of the American Academy

> of Pediatrics and Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Medical College of

> Virginia. I have practiced pediatrics for twenty-two years, the last

> fifteen years seeing only children with Developmental Disabilities, which

> include learning disabilities, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,

> cerebral palsy, mental retardation and autism.

>

> Excerpted....

>

> I am using natural lipid soluble concentrated cis form of Vitamin A in cod

> liver oil to bypass blocked G protein pathways and turn on these central

> retinoid receptors. In a few days, most of these children regain eye

> contact and some say their “box” of clear vision grows. After two months on

> Vitamin A treatment some of these children, when given a single dose of

> bethanechol to stimulate pathways in the parasympathetic system in the gut,

> focus, laugh, concentrate, show a sense of humor, and talk after 30 minutes

> as if reconnected.20

>

> This improves cognition, but they are still physically ill. When these

> children get the MMR vaccine, their Vitamin A stores are depleted; they can

> not compensate for blocked pathways. Lack of Vitamin A which has been

> called “the anti-infective agent,” leaves them immuno-suppressed. They lack

> cell-mediated immunity. T cell activation, important for long term immune

> memory, requires 14-hydroxy retro-retinol. On cod liver oil, the only

> natural source of this natural substance, the children get well. The

> parasympathetic nervous system is blocked by the second G protein defect.

> These children are unable to relax, focus and digest their food. Instead,

> they are in sympathetic overdrive with a constant outpouring of adrenaline

> and stress hormones. They are anxious, pace, have dilated pupils, high

> blood pressure and heart rate. These and other symptoms of attention

> deficit hyperactivity disorder are part of this constant “fright or flight”

> response. These symptoms improve on bethanechol.

>

> excerpted...

>

> Megson, MD

>

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June 15, 2000

amen to that!!!

June 15, 2000

Lesley,

Assuming that you do not have a high risk pregnancy, the best way to

avoid doctors who just don't understand and unwanted medical treatment

for you and your baby is to have a home birth. Check out what's

available in your state: there may be direct entry midwives or nurse

midwives who will deliver your baby at home. Good luck.

June 20, 2004

Tamara,

Heidi, who writes on the www.dadamo.com list is in New York City also, if I

remember rightly.

hello I'm new

> Hello type O's

>

> I'm new to this list. I live in New York City. I am going to start a

> social group for blood type diets in New York, so let me know if you

> are anywhere nearby...

>

> I'm an ex-vegetarian. Most of my friends are vegetarians and a bit

> flipped out by my conversion!

>

> I always had trouble digesting beans when I was a vegetarian, I would

> get cramps. I adjusted to eating meat fairly quickly.

>

> - Tamara

March 12, 2005

--I am extremely angry. I miss out on so much of life. I am a waiting

my 2nd trial on April 19th. I have become a zombie on the duragesic

patches and all I want to do is lie in bed and watch TV lately. Don't

give up, I hope that the stimulator will give us some semblance of

our lives back and make us more functional. I was also told that what

goes around on the boards is a good amount of negativity because the

people who do well with no complications don't need the boards or a

place to chat. They mostly go on with their lifes so I was told to

take these boards with a grain of salt. Welcome and let us know how

your trial goes. Karel, NY

- In Stimulator , " wildbluerosie " <wildbluerosie@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone. I'm 31 years old and started going thru. the process

for

> the trial. I have DDD and my insurance doesn't pay for meds. So I

> have had three surgeries and many epi. shots. All of these have not

> worked. Next week I have an appointment to get the shrink

clearance.

> I wish my shrink could do this. I almost never sleep at night

> anymore. My doctor calls it sundowning. Honestly it gets to the

> point sometimes that I don't want to live but, hopefully with groups

> like this it will help. My room mate wants me to get a wheelchair

so

> that I will feel that I have some freedom again. As you see I live

in

> a big city and could get around a lot easier but I don't know how I

> feel about it I mean after all I'm only 31. Also does anyone have

> problems with your disability and anger.

>

> Thanks so much any advice is greatly needed.

> ~Stacey

March 13, 2005

,

I can relate to what you said. I am only 38 years old and have had two back

surgeries. I am waiting to have the stimulator trial in May. It is very

frustrating not being able to do what you could before. A lot of people do not

understand the emotional side of back issues. Depression, anger, loneliness,

social isolation, lack of motivation, sleepless etc. It all wears on us.

I am here if you need to talk to someone who is dealing with the same things you

are.

Chin up and keep on smiling!

Hello I'm new

Hi everyone. I'm 31 years old and started going thru. the process for

the trial. I have DDD and my insurance doesn't pay for meds. So I

have had three surgeries and many epi. shots. All of these have not

worked. Next week I have an appointment to get the shrink clearance.

I wish my shrink could do this. I almost never sleep at night

anymore. My doctor calls it sundowning. Honestly it gets to the

point sometimes that I don't want to live but, hopefully with groups

like this it will help. My room mate wants me to get a wheelchair so

that I will feel that I have some freedom again. As you see I live in

a big city and could get around a lot easier but I don't know how I

feel about it I mean after all I'm only 31. Also does anyone have

problems with your disability and anger.

Thanks so much any advice is greatly needed.

~Stacey

March 13, 2005

Well said Karel!

Re: Hello I'm new