Re: What is this detoxification issue?/FQ

[Guest guest]

The antibiotic that you have been taking is a very "big gun". It targets not only

gram negative organisms but also gram positive organisms. You are killing the

good guys along with undesirable. I would avoid anything that would contribute

to this until you have a chance to rebuild. For the time being, you may want to

concentrate your healing efforts on good, raw as possible foods with a lot of variety

to re-establish the normal population. (iodine is antibacterial)

Were you given the FQ in an emergency situation?

I find it irresponsible of docs to give out these drugs when there is time to culture.

If you know what you are dealing with, there are specific drugs that can be used, that

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[Guest guest]

Fluoroquinolone antibiotics (cipro, levaquin, avelox etc.) are being

handed out left and right now for sinus infections (that's what they

gave it to me for) and for UTI's etc.

They are supposed to be for life or death situations. They work

differently than any other antibiotic in that they go after the DNA

of the bacteria and many think that they also attack our own healthy

DNA as well. Plus they throw in the flourine/flouride component so

that it gets deeply into bones, muscles, cells etc.

The adverse drug reaction list is almost endless for toxicity to

these antibiotics. It may not affect you the first or second time

that you take it but sooner or later they will most likely affect

each person negatively once your body is to a toxic level.

Very scary stuff. www.fluoroquinolones.org explains what severe to

moderate reactions can do to you.

There is also a great site that is for victims of such adverse

reactions.

I have been on probiotics and digestive enzymes amongst many many

other vitamins and supplements trying to rebuild what the anitbiotic

has depleted.

It takes years to recover from a severe adverse reaction to these

antibiotics. Not everyone has a severe reaction thank goodness but

many do.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm hoping since I tested low in iodine in

the beginning of the toxicity that taking it will help with any

fluoride poisoning that has taken place and also help my thyroid meds

get into the cells. I have cellular resistance right now due to cell

damage.

Your right about the irresponibility of docs that prescribe these

strong of antibiotics for minor infections especially without

cultures to warrant the use of a family of antibiotics that can cause

severe long term reactions such as these.

It's just crazy.

Thanks again,

Gigi

>

> The antibiotic that you have been taking is a very " big gun " . It

targets not

> only

> gram negative organisms but also gram positive organisms. You are

killing

> the

> good guys along with undesirable. I would avoid anything that

would

> contribute

> to this until you have a chance to rebuild. For the time being,

you may want

> to

> concentrate your healing efforts on good, raw as possible foods

with a lot of

> variety

> to re-establish the normal population. (iodine is antibacterial)

> Were you given the FQ in an emergency situation?

> I find it irresponsible of docs to give out these drugs when there

is time to

> culture.

> If you know what you are dealing with, there are specific drugs

that can be

> used, that

> are less harmful.

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

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>

[Guest guest]

Wow, great info on antibiotics. The quack MD that botched my parathyroid cyst removal operation kept pushing antibiotics that he prescribed for the 2-4 sinus infections I got every year....what do you know, they all stopped working and the last one he tried was Levaquin. I had HORRIBLE reactions to it and quit taking it after 5 days. The doc said to me and I quote: "I am so worried for you. Antibiotics no longer seem to be working for you."What should I do?? I asked, full of fear. His response: "Um, try to stay healthy." Give me a ()$#()# break! So once I FINALLY got smart and fired him, I got a great doctor who really understand thyroid and I am now up to 4 grains of Armour and 25 mg of Iodoral and I have had zero need for any antibiotics in two years. I have had ZERO sinus infections. If that original quack of a doctor had ever bothered to look at why I was having so many sinus infections -- low thyroid -- then I wouldn't have needed the endless amounts of anitibiotics.I am fairly paranoid about taking anything that is an antibiotic these days....thank God I am pretty healthy on Armour. Annie (sorry for the ranting, I got mad all over again at the medical establishment's choice of easy-way-out protocol of handing out antibiotics like they are candy when I read about the earlier post about their bad experience with fluoroquinolone antibiotics)-----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of zonie0400Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:06 PMiodine Subject: Re: What is this detoxification issue?/FQFluoroquinolone antibiotics (cipro, levaquin, avelox etc.) are beinghanded out left and right now for sinus infections (that's what theygave it to me for) and for UTI's etc.They are supposed to be for life or death situations. They workdifferently than any other antibiotic in that they go after the DNAof the bacteria and many think that they also attack our own healthyDNA as well. Plus they throw in the flourine/flouride component sothat it gets deeply into bones, muscles, cells etc.

[Guest guest]

Ranting and raving is very warranted. After 16 months so far in this

horrible reaction........I am a bit angry too! I try not to let it

overwhelm though.

I just wish I could get my thyroid meds (armour too) to work well

again along with my hydrocortisone for my secondary adrenal

insufficiency.

It's amazing what hormone balance can do for your health!

Have a nice evening,

Gigi

>

> Wow, great info on antibiotics. The quack MD that botched my

parathyroid

> cyst removal operation kept pushing antibiotics that he prescribed

for

> the 2-4 sinus infections I got every year....what do you know, they

all

> stopped working and the last one he tried was Levaquin. I had

HORRIBLE

> reactions to it and quit taking it after 5 days. The doc said to me

and

> I quote: " I am so worried for you. Antibiotics no longer seem to be

> working for you. "

>

> What should I do?? I asked, full of fear. His response: " Um, try to

stay

> healthy. "

>

> Give me a ()$#()# break! So once I FINALLY got smart and fired

him, I

> got a great doctor who really understand thyroid and I am now up to

4

> grains of Armour and 25 mg of Iodoral and I have had zero need for

any

> antibiotics in two years. I have had ZERO sinus infections. If that

> original quack of a doctor had ever bothered to look at why I was

having

> so many sinus infections -- low thyroid -- then I wouldn't have

needed

> the endless amounts of anitibiotics.

>

> I am fairly paranoid about taking anything that is an antibiotic

these

> days....thank God I am pretty healthy on Armour. Annie (sorry for

the

> ranting, I got mad all over again at the medical establishment's

choice

> of easy-way-out protocol of handing out antibiotics like they are

candy

> when I read about the earlier post about their bad experience with

> fluoroquinolone antibiotics)

>

> Re: What is this detoxification issue?/FQ

>

>

> Fluoroquinolone antibiotics (cipro, levaquin, avelox etc.) are being

> handed out left and right now for sinus infections (that's what they

> gave it to me for) and for UTI's etc.

>

> They are supposed to be for life or death situations. They work

> differently than any other antibiotic in that they go after the DNA

> of the bacteria and many think that they also attack our own healthy

> DNA as well. Plus they throw in the flourine/flouride component so

> that it gets deeply into bones, muscles, cells etc.

>

[Guest guest]

I take hydrocortisone and think I'm close to an optimum dose based on

symptoms and stable temps. (I take 30mg)

I was diagnosed by an ACTH stim test many years ago and also very

very low saliva testing.

Can taking iodine stress the adrenals further?

So iodine and fluoride compete for the same receptors but can iodine

actually displace anything? (ie, flouride, cholorine or bromine)

I'm hoping that taking iodine will help with any fluoride toxicity

that I may have.

Thanks bunches,

Gigi

>

> I can't believe you were given that for a sinus infection, unless

there was

> reason

> to believe that it could have spread into cerebral tissue.

>

> Are your cortisol levels sufficient enough to handle thyroid meds?

>

> I'm sure our bodies utilize the many means it has to deal with

foreign

> entities before

> it turns to immune complexes, and iodine is probably no exception.

> However..when

> a lighter halogen is available, the heavier one gets displaced.

There are

> three lighter

> ones ahead of iodine, that we are continually exposed to.

Displacement does

> not work

> in reverse...so getting the the lighter ones out is the trick, and

the

> problem.

>

>

>

>

>

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shape.

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[Guest guest]

Lighter halogens can displace heavier ones. Fluoride is the lightest, and iodine is heavier.

What form of iodine are you supplementing with?

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[Guest guest]

So would taking higher doses of iodine help kick the lighter halogens

out? Salt flushes too? ~

>

> I can't believe you were given that for a sinus infection, unless

there was

> reason

> to believe that it could have spread into cerebral tissue.

>

> Are your cortisol levels sufficient enough to handle thyroid meds?

>

> I'm sure our bodies utilize the many means it has to deal with

foreign

> entities before

> it turns to immune complexes, and iodine is probably no exception.

> However..when

> a lighter halogen is available, the heavier one gets displaced.

There are

> three lighter

> ones ahead of iodine, that we are continually exposed to.

Displacement does

> not work

> in reverse...so getting the the lighter ones out is the trick, and

the

> problem.

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

[Guest guest]

What post are you replying to? I have no idea what you are referring

to. Please post the posting you are answering to.

Thank you...

>

> I can't believe you were given that for a sinus infection, unless

there was

> reason

> to believe that it could have spread into cerebral tissue.

>

> Are your cortisol levels sufficient enough to handle thyroid meds?

>

> I'm sure our bodies utilize the many means it has to deal with

foreign

> entities before

> it turns to immune complexes, and iodine is probably no exception.

> However..when

> a lighter halogen is available, the heavier one gets displaced.

There are

> three lighter

> ones ahead of iodine, that we are continually exposed to.

Displacement does

> not work

> in reverse...so getting the the lighter ones out is the trick, and

the

> problem.

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

[Guest guest]

>I am under the impression that it is Iodine, when taken in sufficient

amounts, that naturally and " by itself " displaces the lighter halogens

and other goitrogens, and it is only in the absence of sufficient

amounts of Iodine in the body,(as is the case when one lives in such

areas...) that the lighter halogens can occupie the vacant spaces...?

Meaning, that when one ingests Lugol´s solution, Nature does it´s job...

or...?

.

> Chloride will displace iodine as do bromide and fluoride because they

> are lighter and will pull from heavier halogens of which iodine is.

> There are 5 halogens in total, the last and heaviest being astatine

> which isn't too common and can be ignored. All the more reason to

> increase consumption of iodine as all others are lighter than it

is.

>

> ---------------------------Org Msg----------------------------

> If fluoride can displace iodine, and bromide can displace

iodine...what

> is to keep the chloride in sea salt from also displacing the

remaining

> iodine as well as the bromide?

>

[Guest guest]

So in other words iodine should displace fluoride? That's really

what I am trying to figure out.

Thanks so much,

Gigi

> >I am under the impression that it is Iodine, when taken in

sufficient

> amounts, that naturally and " by itself " displaces the lighter

halogens

> and other goitrogens, and it is only in the absence of sufficient

> amounts of Iodine in the body,(as is the case when one lives in

such

> areas...) that the lighter halogens can occupie the vacant

spaces...?

> Meaning, that when one ingests Lugol´s solution, Nature does it´s

job...

> or...?

> .

>

> > Chloride will displace iodine as do bromide and fluoride because

they

> > are lighter and will pull from heavier halogens of which iodine

is.

> > There are 5 halogens in total, the last and heaviest being

astatine

> > which isn't too common and can be ignored. All the more reason to

> > increase consumption of iodine as all others are lighter than it

> is.

> >

> > ---------------------------Org Msg----------------------------

> > If fluoride can displace iodine, and bromide can displace

> iodine...what

> > is to keep the chloride in sea salt from also displacing the

> remaining

> > iodine as well as the bromide?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that´s the point made by Dr. Abraham in his letter of 2003 to "The Townsends Letter" named "Iodine supplementation Markedly Increases Urinary Excretion of Fluoride and Bromide", found here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875 . So in other words iodine should displace fluoride? That's really what I am trying to figure out.Thanks so much,Gigi

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