Re: Lap Band Issues 7 weeks out....Digest #1564

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some people have trouble with hard boiled eggs..and eggs in general.

early on the bite size should be the size of a pea or so, and then

you chew it like crazy.

i might start with some soft fish, cottage cheese, things like that

-- that are not liquids, but are softer than eggs and it will help.

did your dr give you a list of foods on this phase?

chicken is hard for people at first too as i recall.

but take it slow at the beginning. actually, i am having relapses of

taking too big a bite and not chewing enough...and yup, the band

yells at me!!!

At 12:57 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:

>

>Hello everyone... Today is Monday...and it has been 7 weeks since my

>banding. It was done on November 19th.. I have been on

>solid food for - the

>beginning of my 5th day....In the past three days...I have been taken by

>surprise. I feel great..sit down to eat...and

>one bite...WHAM...and I have a knot.

>Now....what is going on? Am I not concentrating on what I'm doing and not

>chewing my food to mush? Thought I was! I have not thrown up..but oh the

>discomfort! I have to walk it off...I have encountered an urge to go to the

>bathroom, which I do..and come back and can eat....I think this is

>crazy....anyway...I'm realizing this is going to be a long term

>learning curve for me. I

>tried to eat 2 boiled eggs this morning with hubby for breakfast....cut each

>one into 4ths...took one bite...tight...took another and WHAM...NOTHING

>more...went and got what was left of my coffee...warmed it back up in the

>microwave and took a couple of sips while I was walking around the

>house to get some

>relief. Finally got it...now..I'm NOT hungry, which I guess is a good

>thing..it would be terrible to be hungry and not be able to

>eat....Is this the

>morning tightness people speak of??? I've had my 4th fill.....I

>have a 4cc band

>and have 2cc in it. Maybe I'm just making the adjustment from liquids to

>solids? I have been told that I may find that I cannot eat in the

>mornings..but that is ok..that the stoma will be more open in the

>evenings...do I have

>anything to be concerned about? Soups go done fine..but I'm supposed to be

>weaning myself off liquids!

>Debbie in Texas

>

>

>

>

>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

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Monday, January 7, 2008, 10:57:00 AM, you wrote:

> Hello everyone... Today is Monday...and it has been 7 weeks since my

Hi Debbie in Texas (I think we have several debbies around here)

> banding. It was done on November 19th.. I have been on solid food for -

the

> beginning of my 5th day....In the past three days...I have been taken by

> surprise. I feel great..sit down to eat...and one

> bite...WHAM...and I have a knot.

> Now....what is going on? Am I not concentrating on what I'm doing and not

> chewing my food to mush?

Right. That's it.

> Thought I was!

What we considered " chewing things to mush " in the past (not that we

ever did that much) isn't what it needs to be with a band.

> I have not thrown up..but oh the

> discomfort! I have to walk it off...

Glad you've not barfed, as that's not really good for the band.

Walking generally helps, or leaning over, most anything that will get

things " sloshing around " . Drinking generally does NOT help, as it

just makes it back up further (think of a stuck toilet and flushing it

again and again and what happens then).

> I have encountered an urge to go to the

> bathroom, which I do..and come back and can eat....

When something gets stuck your whole GI system tries to help out.

Your intestines say " if I clear some of this out maybe it'll help

things up above " . Your salivary glands (and nose and sinus, etc) all

say " if I make some lubricant and send it on down, that'll help " .

Neither of those necessarily does any good. Getting lots of saliva

and mucus down simply makes that come back up in what some people call

" sliming " (not the same as " slimming " ) :-)

> I think this is

> crazy....anyway...I'm realizing this is going to be a long term learning

curve for me.

It is a lot to learn for ALL of us. But you must be a fast learner,

as you've figured out much of it, PLUS you're asking for help, which

is most important.

> I

> tried to eat 2 boiled eggs this morning with hubby for breakfast....cut each

> one into 4ths...took one bite...tight...took another and WHAM...NOTHING

> more...went and got what was left of my coffee...warmed it back up in the

> microwave and took a couple of sips while I was walking around the house to

get some

> relief.

As has already been mentioned, eggs are a big problem for many, and

especially if they're hard boiled or cooked hard otherwise. The white

gets rubbery. And as already mentioned, you must take MUCH smaller

bites.

> Finally got it...now..I'm NOT hungry, which I guess is a good

> thing..it would be terrible to be hungry and not be able to eat....

Well, it might actually be good. Even though it seems evil and nasty.

You'll learn, gradually, the difference between " stomach hunger " ,

which many of us have never really felt, and " mouth hunger " or " brain

hunger " .

> Is this the

> morning tightness people speak of???

Many of us are tighter in the morning. I get up at 5 every day, and

rarely try any solid food until around noon. Some would say I'm too

tight, but it works for me.

> I've had my 4th fill.....I have a 4cc band

> and have 2cc in it.

The numbers are irrelevant. I was this tight the first six months

with no fill, and others may take 5 cc (and the band can take more

than the theoretical 4, though not often needed).

> Maybe I'm just making the adjustment from liquids to

> solids?

That's a big part of it, taking VERY small bites, and chewing VERY

well (like your granny may have said, put your fork down between bites

and chew every bite 30 times before you swallow, and take small

lady-like bites).

> I have been told that I may find that I cannot eat in the

> mornings..but that is ok..that the stoma will be more open in the

evenings...do I have

> anything to be concerned about?

You sound very normal to me. Most of us wish we were more open in

morning and less so in evening, but....don't always get what we want,

do we?

> Soups go done fine..but I'm supposed to be

> weaning myself off liquids!

Work on the bite sizes, work with foods that are softer, and learn

what works for you and what doesn't. Some people can eat pineapple or

fruits with skins. I can't. But I can eat things others can't. And

that changes, too, as you lose weight, your stomach changes, your

habits and tastes change, etc.

The band is just the very beginning. Now you have the rest of your

life to learn to live with it. Sort of like getting married.

dan

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

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Hi, Debbie - first of all, please read over, and perhaps print out,

the Band Guide in the fiules here. it covers many of these common

issues that docs seem not to go over well. it's always our

responsibility to learn what vis needed - whether or not our docs

helps much - so I'm glas you found us!

Also, please go over the FILL info, as you'll see why I'm concerned

about your fill level.

In addition to the info in the Band Guide, i'll add a few comments

before I go out for dinner..

When we go to solids, we have to pay very close attention to good

Bandster foods choices AND eating techniques.

The first rule is PEA-sized bites, and chewing 15x per bite for now.

Later on, as you become VERY experienced, you can probably take

normal-sized bites AS LONG AS you still chew VERY well, and swallow

the full-sized bite in 2-3 parts.

eggs are generally not " starter foods " > they can be very dry and

hard to swallow. POACHED and SOFT boiled eggs are usually ok, since

they are very moist. Or you can add sauces and stuff to those

hardboiled eggs. Also, alternate bites of things that can stick

together like eggs with other textured foods, like some fiber cereal

like Kashi go Lean crunch. A good fiber cereal is actually a much

better breakfast thyan eggs. the cereal has some of the needed fiber,

AND good protein - while the eggs have only protein. we need many

things other than protein for good loss.

Also, the esophagus tightens overnight, and some have trouble eating

solids in the morning for this reason. to help this: Be CERTAIN you

are getting the minimum 80-100 oz a day of no-cal fluids we need. and

start the day with 1-2 cups of hot tea or hot somthing-else before

you try to eat. This will relax and open the stoma.

I'm quite amazed that you have had 4 fills so far!! This is very

unusual - the first fill can safely be at 6 weeks, with another

monthly. For this simple reason, I think you need to get a small

unfill, until you have time to learn the many band rules about food

choices and eating. you don;'t have a big TOTAL in your band - BUT

you have not had the time to learn, nor has your stomach had time to

adjust to fills. I'm wondering who your fill person is? This fill

schedule is truly unsafe, imo, and totslly against the In amed

teaching. (Are they assessing many things before they give you more

fill. sorry, but i just can't imagine having 4 fills in the first 7

weeks!! You're barely at the time when a FIRST fill is given.

NO, imo it NOT ok to not be able to eat in the morning. It's hard

enough to get the needed calories and nutrition (protein, fiber,

calcium, good carbs) in 3 meals a day and 1-2 snacks. Eating in the

am is the most imopt thing with losing weight - I'm sure you have

heard that breakfast is the mosty impt meal of the day, and it's

true.

I have to ask - have you been on solids before, and just now getting

BACK to solids after a day or 2 of liquids after the last fill? Or

are you saying that you are JUST NOW, for the first time , starting

with solids?? IMO, and that of most band educators and docs, we need

to be back on solids foods for at leat 1-2 weeks before we can even

KNOW if we need a firdt fill yet. People who art started on fills

when they ar still on liquids or soft foods often get into your type

of trouble, and have to get an unfill for safety, and then go much

more slowly with fills.

We should NEVER be having persistent problems. We should be able to

eat small decent meals, meet all nutritional needs, get in all teh

fluids needed, and most of the time be able to forget we even have a

band. There should not be pain, misery, deprivation, or feaqr of

eating! all these indicate trouble.

Please check in with your doc. I'd strongly urge you to get a small

unfill, so you can eat well and have time to lern more.

Pleaqse saty active here, so we all can help you thru this, and help

you learn more so you can stay safe, do well, and lose SAFELY. .

Sandy R

>

>

> Hello everyone... Today is Monday...and it has been 7 weeks since

my

> banding. It was done on November 19th.. I have been on solid

food for - the

> beginning of my 5th day....In the past three days...I have been

taken by

> surprise. I feel great..sit down to eat...and one

bite...WHAM...and I have a knot.

> Now....what is going on? Am I not concentrating on what I'm doing

and not

> chewing my food to mush? Thought I was! I have not thrown

up..but oh the

> discomfort! I have to walk it off...I have encountered an urge to

go to the

> bathroom, which I do..and come back and can eat....I think this is

> crazy....anyway...I'm realizing this is going to be a long term

learning curve for me. I

> tried to eat 2 boiled eggs this morning with hubby for

breakfast....cut each

> one into 4ths...took one bite...tight...took another and

WHAM...NOTHING

> more...went and got what was left of my coffee...warmed it back up

in the

> microwave and took a couple of sips while I was walking around the

house to get some

> relief. Finally got it...now..I'm NOT hungry, which I guess is a

good

> thing..it would be terrible to be hungry and not be able to

eat....Is this the

> morning tightness people speak of??? I've had my 4th fill.....I

have a 4cc band

> and have 2cc in it. Maybe I'm just making the adjustment from

liquids to

> solids? I have been told that I may find that I cannot eat in

the

> mornings..but that is ok..that the stoma will be more open in the

evenings...do I have

> anything to be concerned about? Soups go done fine..but I'm

supposed to be

> weaning myself off liquids!

> Debbie in Texas

>

>

>

>

> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

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first off you you did a no no by drinking right after eating if you think back

to your training it's no liquids 30 mins before or 60 min after a meal and you

need to wait 2-3 mins between bites and pea size bites

penny day

Re: Lap Band Issues 7 weeks out....Digest #1564

some people have trouble with hard boiled eggs..and eggs in general.

early on the bite size should be the size of a pea or so, and then

you chew it like crazy.

i might start with some soft fish, cottage cheese, things like that

-- that are not liquids, but are softer than eggs and it will help.

did your dr give you a list of foods on this phase?

chicken is hard for people at first too as i recall.

but take it slow at the beginning. actually, i am having relapses of

taking too big a bite and not chewing enough...and yup, the band

yells at me!!!

At 12:57 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:

>

>Hello everyone... Today is Monday...and it has been 7 weeks since my

>banding. It was done on November 19th.. I have been on

>solid food for - the

>beginning of my 5th day....In the past three days...I have been taken by

>surprise. I feel great..sit down to eat...and

>one bite...WHAM...and I have a knot.

>Now....what is going on? Am I not concentrating on what I'm doing and not

>chewing my food to mush? Thought I was! I have not thrown up..but oh the

>discomfort! I have to walk it off...I have encountered an urge to go to the

>bathroom, which I do..and come back and can eat....I think this is

>crazy....anyway...I'm realizing this is going to be a long term

>learning curve for me. I

>tried to eat 2 boiled eggs this morning with hubby for breakfast....cut each

>one into 4ths...took one bite...tight...took another and WHAM...NOTHING

>more...went and got what was left of my coffee...warmed it back up in the

>microwave and took a couple of sips while I was walking around the

>house to get some

>relief. Finally got it...now..I'm NOT hungry, which I guess is a good

>thing..it would be terrible to be hungry and not be able to

>eat....Is this the

>morning tightness people speak of??? I've had my 4th fill.....I

>have a 4cc band

>and have 2cc in it. Maybe I'm just making the adjustment from liquids to

>solids? I have been told that I may find that I cannot eat in the

>mornings..but that is ok..that the stoma will be more open in the

>evenings...do I have

>anything to be concerned about? Soups go done fine..but I'm supposed to be

>weaning myself off liquids!

>Debbie in Texas

>

>

>

>

>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

penny,

i believe we can drink as much as we want right up to the first bite

of food, no waiting (30 minutes)

george

> >

> >Hello everyone... Today is Monday...and it has been 7 weeks

since my

> >banding. It was done on November 19th.. I have been on

> >solid food for - the

> >beginning of my 5th day....In the past three days...I have been

taken by

> >surprise. I feel great..sit down to eat...and

> >one bite...WHAM...and I have a knot.

> >Now....what is going on? Am I not concentrating on what I'm

doing and not

> >chewing my food to mush? Thought I was! I have not thrown

up..but oh the

> >discomfort! I have to walk it off...I have encountered an urge

to go to the

> >bathroom, which I do..and come back and can eat....I think this

is

> >crazy....anyway...I'm realizing this is going to be a long term

> >learning curve for me. I

> >tried to eat 2 boiled eggs this morning with hubby for

breakfast....cut each

> >one into 4ths...took one bite...tight...took another and

WHAM...NOTHING

> >more...went and got what was left of my coffee...warmed it back

up in the

> >microwave and took a couple of sips while I was walking around

the

> >house to get some

> >relief. Finally got it...now..I'm NOT hungry, which I guess is a

good

> >thing..it would be terrible to be hungry and not be able to

> >eat....Is this the

> >morning tightness people speak of??? I've had my 4th fill.....I

> >have a 4cc band

> >and have 2cc in it. Maybe I'm just making the adjustment from

liquids to

> >solids? I have been told that I may find that I cannot eat in the

> >mornings..but that is ok..that the stoma will be more open in

the

> >evenings...do I have

> >anything to be concerned about? Soups go done fine..but I'm

supposed to be

> >weaning myself off liquids!

> >Debbie in Texas

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Absolutely right. My opinion is that you can drink right up to the

first bite and then nothing to drink for an hour after finishing the

meal.

Drinking right up to first bite helps you stay hydrated and eliminates

the need for drinking the next hour. It doesn't mean you won't WANT

to by habit, but you won't NEED to.

dan

Tuesday, January 8, 2008, 7:10:30 AM, you wrote:

> i believe we can drink as much as we want right up to the first bite

> of food, no waiting (30 minutes)

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

george

i was was banded at hurley medical center in flint Michigan and one thing they

that told us was nothing to drink 30 mins before a meal

penny

Re: Lap Band Issues 7 weeks out....Digest #1564

penny,

i believe we can drink as much as we want right up to the first bite

of food, no waiting (30 minutes)

george

> >

> >Hello everyone... Today is Monday...and it has been 7 weeks

since my

> >banding. It was done on November 19th.. I have been on

> >solid food for - the

> >beginning of my 5th day....In the past three days...I have been

taken by

> >surprise. I feel great..sit down to eat...and

> >one bite...WHAM...and I have a knot.

> >Now....what is going on? Am I not concentrating on what I'm

doing and not

> >chewing my food to mush? Thought I was! I have not thrown

up..but oh the

> >discomfort! I have to walk it off...I have encountered an urge

to go to the

> >bathroom, which I do..and come back and can eat....I think this

is

> >crazy....anyway...I'm realizing this is going to be a long term

> >learning curve for me. I

> >tried to eat 2 boiled eggs this morning with hubby for

breakfast....cut each

> >one into 4ths...took one bite...tight...took another and

WHAM...NOTHING

> >more...went and got what was left of my coffee...warmed it back

up in the

> >microwave and took a couple of sips while I was walking around

the

> >house to get some

> >relief. Finally got it...now..I'm NOT hungry, which I guess is a

good

> >thing..it would be terrible to be hungry and not be able to

> >eat....Is this the

> >morning tightness people speak of??? I've had my 4th fill.....I

> >have a 4cc band

> >and have 2cc in it. Maybe I'm just making the adjustment from

liquids to

> >solids? I have been told that I may find that I cannot eat in the

> >mornings..but that is ok..that the stoma will be more open in

the

> >evenings...do I have

> >anything to be concerned about? Soups go done fine..but I'm

supposed to be

> >weaning myself off liquids!

> >Debbie in Texas

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in

shape.

> >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?

NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi All..

Today, my 8th week out from surgery....I had my weekly appointment. We

discussed the issues I was having and it was determined that I was not taking

small enough bites and possibly being too hungry between meals, causing me to

swallow before I had properly chewed my food. I went under fluoro and did

swallowing tests..and seemed to be wide open..and received another .6 cc fill.

I

am on liquids for two days following every fill. I had been on liquids for

7 weeks following my surgery and only this past week was allowed to eat solid

foods. Seems that I encountered a learning curve which only time will take

care of.

I will be using a smaller eating utensil...and keeping the food to the front

of my mouth until I have properly chewed it. Also it was recommended that I

drink something warm/hot before attempting to eat. I was also informed that

I may not be able to eat breakfast early in the morning. My husband works

the night shift..so this is NOT a problem for me as our day starts much later

than most folks...so...tomorrow is another day..and I'm going to do my best

to make sure it is trouble free by sticking to my soup...and drinking my

liquids...and planning my menu for Day After Tomorrow! I'm sure you'll be

hearing from me again! Thanks for all your input and support...it is GREATLY

appreciated!!!

Debbie in Texas

**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

[Guest guest]

Dan,

that differentiation between want to and need to was an

eyeopener.yikes..

george

>

> > i believe we can drink as much as we want right up to the first

bite

> > of food, no waiting (30 minutes)

>

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

[Guest guest]

Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 4:39:12 PM, you wrote:

> that differentiation between want to and need to was an

> eyeopener.yikes..

Thanks, .

That is one of the things that most of us NEVER learned in ANY parts

of our lives. We want to eat the last couple pieces of pizza (after

all, wouldn't want it to go to waste, would we?), but we sure as hell

don't NEED to do so.

True personal example.

I drive a Corvette. I don't NEED it, but WANTED it for forty years,

and finally got one.

Was down in SLC area last year and took my 9 year old grand-niece for a

ride. She said " grandpa needs a corvette " (meaning my brother in

law). I said " nobody NEEDS a corvette, even though your grandpa might

WANT one " She kept saying " he NEEDS one " . I then asked her what her

favorite thing was for supper. She said fried chicken. I asked her

if she NEEDED fried chicken for supper every night, and she said YES.

We then discussed further that she might WANT it every night, but what

she NEEDS is whatever good and healthy food her mother makes (her

mother is a hospice RN, and cooks healthy food). She sort of

grudgingly accepted that, and finally admitted she might even get

tired of fried chicken every night.

When we got back, she told her grandpa that he NEEDED a corvette, and

he replied, well if I did, I'd NEED a garage first, but what I really

NEED is a new pickup truck (which was and still is true) for my work.

After a bit more discussion with both of us she finally got it, if

grudgingly. Actually, I think she totally understood, as she's a

really smart kid, but just didn't want to totally give up the dream. I

reminded her that I'd wanted one for over 40 years, and if she really

wanted one she might get one some day too. (of course by then, when

I'm sure I'll be long gone, it might be a hydrogen car, a nuclear car,

or a flying car, who knows)

Long but true story, but regularly reminds ME of wants vs. needs. And

I'm FAR from perfect on any of it. Probably never will be, either,

but I keep trying.

dan

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

Wednesday, January 9, 2008, 6:32:54 PM, you wrote:

> Today, my 8th week out from surgery....I had my weekly appointment. We

> discussed the issues I was having and it was determined that I was not taking

> small enough bites and possibly being too hungry between meals, causing me to

> swallow before I had properly chewed my food.

Actually, hunger doesn't cause you to eat too fast or swallow too

quickly. That is strictly habit, and CAN be overcome, though it is a

tough thing to do. There are plenty of " normal " people who have the

same habit, partly brought on by our " high speed society " . Go out to

eat with a dozen " normal people " and some will eat very quickly, and

some will take forever. Different folks, different habits. But,

regardless, you can do it.

> I went under fluoro and did

> swallowing tests..and seemed to be wide open..and received another .6 cc

fill. I

> am on liquids for two days following every fill. I had been on liquids for

> 7 weeks following my surgery and only this past week was allowed to eat solid

> foods. Seems that I encountered a learning curve which only time will take

> care of.

And for most of us it is a VERY steep learning curve, and the older we

are, the more likely it is to be difficult, as we've had more years of

bad habits. I was banded at 60, so I have the " excuse " of more years

of bad practice. Actually, it is NOT an excuse, but sometimes I

pretend it is. :-)

> I will be using a smaller eating utensil...and keeping the food to the front

> of my mouth until I have properly chewed it.

Small bites are really tough, and the biggest problem I still struggle

with.

Many find it useful to use a small plate, or even a saucer. It really

does help you think you're getting " a full plate " . Yes, a mind game,

but so is half of life.

> Also it was recommended that I

> drink something warm/hot before attempting to eat.

Something warm will open the stoma, something cold will close it some.

Use the temperature of drink as needed.

> I was also informed that

> I may not be able to eat breakfast early in the morning.

True for many of us, but by no means all.

> My husband works

> the night shift..so this is NOT a problem for me as our day starts much later

> than most folks...so...tomorrow is another day..and I'm going to do my best

> to make sure it is trouble free by sticking to my soup...and drinking my

> liquids...and planning my menu for Day After Tomorrow!

Sounds great.

> I'm sure you'll be

> hearing from me again!

Good. That's what we love to hear.

> Thanks for all your input and support...it is GREATLY

> appreciated!!!

And vice versa. Often answering questions of others reminds ME that I

ought to be improving, or changing, some behavior. I'm still far from

perfect, and undoubtedly always will be.

dan

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

dan

that is not what the hurley bariatric center in Flint MI teaches us before

we have our band put in.they tell us no liiquids 30 mins before a meal or 60

after meal.

penny

Re: Lap Band Issues 7 weeks out....Digest #1564

Dan,

that differentiation between want to and need to was an

eyeopener.yikes..

george

>

> > i believe we can drink as much as we want right up to the first

bite

> > of food, no waiting (30 minutes)

>

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

[Guest guest]

i was never told that and I have been banded 3 years. What i have

been told is that drinking water helps curb the appetite and that

should be good for you.

Sherry

>

> > first off you you did a no no by drinking right after eating

if you think back to your

> > training it's no liquids 30 mins before or 60 min after a meal

and you need to wait 2-3

> > mins between bites and pea size bites

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have the 4.0 band. I was banded in Oklahoma by Dr. Ronnie .

Re: Lap Band Issues 7 weeks out....Digest #1564

i was never told that and I have been banded 3 years. What i have

been told is that drinking water helps curb the appetite and that

should be good for you.

Sherry

>

> > first off you you did a no no by drinking right after eating

if you think back to your

> > training it's no liquids 30 mins before or 60 min after a meal

and you need to wait 2-3

> > mins between bites and pea size bites

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband. tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sherry

what band do you have? where were you banded? i was baned in FLINT MI AT HURLEY

PENNY

Re: Lap Band Issues 7 weeks out....Digest #1564

i was never told that and I have been banded 3 years. What i have

been told is that drinking water helps curb the appetite and that

should be good for you.

Sherry

>

> > first off you you did a no no by drinking right after eating

if you think back to your

> > training it's no liquids 30 mins before or 60 min after a meal

and you need to wait 2-3

> > mins between bites and pea size bites

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

penny,

water before eating can not push through food faster that isn't there

yet. moreover, your pouch should have passed all liquids through

your stoma before you finish chewing your first bite.

drinking before eating and creating a full feeling in your stomach

cannot possibly make you want to eat more. just doesn't make sense.

george

>

> > first off you you did a no no by drinking right after eating if

you think back to your

> > training it's no liquids 30 mins before or 60 min after a meal

and you need to wait 2-3

> > mins between bites and pea size bites

>

> --

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life "

Jon Bon Jovi

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

> Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

> Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

> Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Penny, Water cannot push food thru if there is no food in there (ie

before we eat) . It also does not makeyou want to eat more - it helps

us feel full so we eat LESS.

Drinking right up to a Bandster meal is called " Water-loading " and is a

very useful thing.

NOT drinking is an old BYPASS thing, and has nothing to do with

banding. Only the docs who are still mostly bypass docs advise this -

and it's totally uneeded and even sabotages bandsters.

Sandy r

at oal > 4 yrs

>

> because it makes you want to eat more and moves the food through

faster same reason why you soon not drink after

> penny

> -----

[Guest guest]

I was my understanding..that the reason for drinking something warm before

trying to eat in the mornings, was to " soften up " the stoma...so that WHEN you

DID eat it would pass through easier - not to feel full - and not to fill up

an empty pouch...

Debbie in Texas

**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

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[Guest guest]

You're mixing up two different things.

First, any water goes through the stoma immediately, even if you're

tight. If water won't go through, you have a problem and need an

unfill. Even if you drink a LOT of water, it still goes through in

a minute at most. Again, think of a funnel.

Warm drinks will tend to open the stoma, regardless of time of day.

Cold drinks will tend to close down the stoma, regardless of time of

day.

So, if you're particularly tight in the morning you may want to have a

warm drink to perhaps let you eat some solid food.

But at any other time, drinking a nice glass of ice water before

eating will eliminate you being thirsty in the hour after eating, and

will also tend to tighten you up so you may be able to eat a bit less.

The tightening and loosening, is just like with any other muscle (and

remember, your stomach is a big muscle). Cold will tighten it up,

heat will relax it.

dan

Sunday, January 13, 2008, 2:18:30 PM, you wrote:

> I was my understanding..that the reason for drinking something warm before

> trying to eat in the mornings, was to " soften up " the stoma...so that WHEN you

> DID eat it would pass through easier - not to feel full - and not to fill up

> an empty pouch...

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana