Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 I had planned to do a flush tomorrow, but am having second thoughts. Do you realize that if you have a big one and don't know it, that it could get stuck in bile duct.? Then you could have to have gallbladder removed in ER. http://nancylouise35.tripod.com My new website. Come on in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Hi , You have made a true statement: " Do you realize that if you have a big one and don't know it, that it could get stuck in bile duct.? Then you could have to have gallbladder removed in ER. " Here's another true statement: Do you realize that every time you travel in a car there is a chance of getting killed? Here's another one: The same fire we burn in our fireplaces to warm our souls can kill us if it severely burns us... True statements, but we use our knowledge of the dangers and keep ourselves safe while we benefit from the use of these " dangerous " things. Actually, you could have a huge stone and not get it stuck in your bile duct and get rid of it without surgery during a flush. Many have passed one inch diameter stones. You could also have a relatively small stone and get it stuck with or without a flush if you have a hardened and diseased gall bladder. There's people ending up in the ER for emergengy gall bladder surgery that have never heard of flushes. A relatively healthy gall bladder and bile ducts stretch a lot when called upon to do so. Think of other small channels in our body that strech a lot at certain times. The ducts have smooth muscle that stretch. Epsom salts relax the smooth muscle of the ducts and they stretch to pass much larger stones than their normal diameter. My first flush got out about 50 marble sized stones. They were all much bigger than the normal duct diameter. This was a painless process if you don't count the mental anguish of drinking epsom salts and olive oil It was worth it. It was good for me. THere's nothing wrong with starting out with diet changes, herbs, and changes to help your gall bladder and liver get healthier. That needs to be done anyway. No hurry on the flushes if you are not comfortable with the idea. No one can tell you whether or not to flush. You need to be comfortable and confident in your decision. Information and knowledge is necessary to make the best decision. These are things that I've thought of myself, but may or may not help you any. This is my 2 cents worth after 9 flushes of my own. I hope this helps, but if it doesn't there is a lot of information in the archives, files, and links at our website. Best Regards, and happy new year! Vince > > I had planned to do a flush tomorrow, but am having second thoughts. Do you realize that if you have a big one and don't know it, that it could get stuck in bile duct.? Then you could have to have gallbladder removed in ER. > http://nancylouise35.tripod.com > > My new website. Come on in! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 At 02:31 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > But I’ve been re-thinking about having surgery since I don’t have the > pain going down my leg. My hubby suggested getting a second opinion. My > Orthopedic doctor/surgeon is one of the best in his field and is the only > one who does the micro-surgery at the >hospital. If I were to get a second opinion, who would I go see since he’s >the only who does this type of surgery? Any suggestions or advice? I’m not >nervous about the surgery – it’s the 6 weeks of recovery that has me >stressed out. > >Cyndi in Michigan > > > From my experience and I've had 4 surgeries, if you can get a second > opinion, and if you can avoid surgery, I would. I've heard and read > stories of a Back Doctor who uses strength training for the back and > " Claims " that herniated discs when left alone and the back muscles are > strengthened to take pressure off the discs will heal. Whether this is > true or not I do not know. But it has been my experience and that of > many people I talk to, that once you have back surgery, your back is > weakened and it sets you up for more surgery later. Now don't take this > as the Gospel truth, it's just on persons experience. Go to the home > site of our group on , and then the files or documents > sections and reads Dave's story, it will tell you my history. I hope you get many more opinions and a second professional opinion. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 At 02:31 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > But I’ve been re-thinking about having surgery since I don’t have the > pain going down my leg. My hubby suggested getting a second opinion. My > Orthopedic doctor/surgeon is one of the best in his field and is the only > one who does the micro-surgery at the >hospital. If I were to get a second opinion, who would I go see since he’s >the only who does this type of surgery? Any suggestions or advice? I’m not >nervous about the surgery – it’s the 6 weeks of recovery that has me >stressed out. > >Cyndi in Michigan > > > From my experience and I've had 4 surgeries, if you can get a second > opinion, and if you can avoid surgery, I would. I've heard and read > stories of a Back Doctor who uses strength training for the back and > " Claims " that herniated discs when left alone and the back muscles are > strengthened to take pressure off the discs will heal. Whether this is > true or not I do not know. But it has been my experience and that of > many people I talk to, that once you have back surgery, your back is > weakened and it sets you up for more surgery later. Now don't take this > as the Gospel truth, it's just on persons experience. Go to the home > site of our group on , and then the files or documents > sections and reads Dave's story, it will tell you my history. I hope you get many more opinions and a second professional opinion. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 there has to be ther doctors in your area that handle this sort of thing. if not im sure his waiting list would be years to be seen. go to different offices; have your priomary care physician set you up with someone else. different doctors have different people too. there are others out there. they may be 30 minutes away or something, but they are there. so if you really want aother opinion,. you should be able to get one. rob No greater burden can be borne by an individual than to know no one cares or understands. >From: Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@...> >Reply-neck pain >neck pain >Subject: Re: Having Second Thoughts >Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 18:15:04 -0500 > >At 02:31 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > > > But I’ve been re-thinking about having surgery since I don’t have the > > pain going down my leg. My hubby suggested getting a second opinion. My > > Orthopedic doctor/surgeon is one of the best in his field and is the >only > > one who does the micro-surgery at the > >hospital. If I were to get a second opinion, who would I go see since >he’s > >the only who does this type of surgery? Any suggestions or advice? I’m >not > >nervous about the surgery – it’s the 6 weeks of recovery that has me > >stressed out. > > > >Cyndi in Michigan > > > > > > From my experience and I've had 4 surgeries, if you can get a second > > opinion, and if you can avoid surgery, I would. I've heard and read > > stories of a Back Doctor who uses strength training for the back and > > " Claims " that herniated discs when left alone and the back muscles are > > strengthened to take pressure off the discs will heal. Whether this is > > true or not I do not know. But it has been my experience and that of > > many people I talk to, that once you have back surgery, your back is > > weakened and it sets you up for more surgery later. Now don't take this > > as the Gospel truth, it's just on persons experience. Go to the home > > site of our group on , and then the files or documents > > sections and reads Dave's story, it will tell you my history. > >I hope you get many more opinions and a second professional opinion. Dave > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Communicate instantly! Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 all i can say is that i would be worried that it might come back (the pain) and that when it does, it might be worse. i guess i would go with how far your doctor is backed up. if he can perform the surgery within a week or two of whenever you decide to have it, then i might wait. if however he has a long wait. by the time you decide its bad again, you might be \suffering for a month or two waiting for your surgery. good luck with your decision. i have to tell you, though, when that leg pain is gone, it feels great. but i had the same problem, and it did not fix my back; and now ive had multiple fusions, and im going in for another one in less then a week. so be careful. i couldnt live with my eg pain, but now i deal with back pain constantly with no sign of relief anytime soon. they dont even think this surgery will help; and in fact the only reason im ging thru with it, is because the next step is a pain pump, and that i believe will handle my problem, so.... if you can avoid the surgries do it, if not they help some more then others, so nbest wishes. rob No greater burden can be borne by an individual than to know no one cares or understands. >From: Cyndi G <justpoodles@...> >Reply-neck pain >JustPoodles <justpoodles@...> >Subject: Having Second Thoughts >Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:31:50 -0800 (PST) > > About a month ago, I found out that I have a very large herniated disk >(L5-S1). It’s pressing against my sciatic nerve. I was in a lot of pain >from my sciatic nerve. I actually was able to find the herniated disk on my >MRI films. It wasn’t hard to find. I’ve got the pain under control with >meds. My Orthopedic doctor/surgeon said I needed surgery (microdiscectomy) >to remove the herniated part. He said it would relieve the sciatic nerve >pain, but not the lower back pain. And that I’d probably develop arthritis >in my lower back. The past few weeks, I no longer have the pain going down >my leg. I still have some lower back pain between my spine and my hip >joint. I’m supposed to have the microdiscectomy at the end of Jan. But I’ve >been re-thinking about having surgery since I don’t have the pain going >down my leg. My hubby suggested getting a second opinion. My Orthopedic >doctor/surgeon is one of the best in his field and is the only one who does >the micro-surgery at the > hospital. If I were to get a second opinion, who would I go see since >he’s the only who does this type of surgery? Any suggestions or advice? I’m >not nervous about the surgery – it’s the 6 weeks of recovery that has me >stressed out. > > Cyndi in Michigan > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Hi Cindi what Dave says is correct if you go read about herniated discs it says that sometimes they will heal on their own, not always and I don't know why they do or don't. But any surgery will weaken your back and I think most dr's will tell you that it may set you up for more down the road. Also any surgery is going to have a 6 week min. recovery time, it just takes your body a long time to heal from being messed with during a surgery. And if you push yourself too soon it isn't worth doing it in the first place because you have a greater chance of messing up what was done in the first place. Lots to think about I know but you need to make sure what you want to do before you have surgery, once you do there is no going back, as most of us have found out the hard way. Good luck whatever you decide. Sharon Group Owner > > > >From: Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@...> > >Reply-neck pain > >neck pain > >Subject: Re: Having Second Thoughts > >Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 18:15:04 -0500 > > > >At 02:31 AM 1/1/07, you wrote: > > > > > But I've been re-thinking about having surgery since I don't have the > > > pain going down my leg. My hubby suggested getting a second opinion. My > > > Orthopedic doctor/surgeon is one of the best in his field and is the > >only > > > one who does the micro-surgery at the > > >hospital. If I were to get a second opinion, who would I go see since > >he's > > >the only who does this type of surgery? Any suggestions or advice? I'm > >not > > >nervous about the surgery – it's the 6 weeks of recovery that has me > > >stressed out. > > > > > >Cyndi in Michigan > > > > > > > > > From my experience and I've had 4 surgeries, if you can get a second > > > opinion, and if you can avoid surgery, I would. I've heard and read > > > stories of a Back Doctor who uses strength training for the back and > > > " Claims " that herniated discs when left alone and the back muscles are > > > strengthened to take pressure off the discs will heal. Whether this is > > > true or not I do not know. But it has been my experience and that of > > > many people I talk to, that once you have back surgery, your back is > > > weakened and it sets you up for more surgery later. Now don't take this > > > as the Gospel truth, it's just on persons experience. Go to the home > > > site of our group on , and then the files or documents > > > sections and reads Dave's story, it will tell you my history. > > > >I hope you get many more opinions and a second professional opinion. Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Communicate instantly! Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live > Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 At 07:02 AM 1/10/2007, Sharon wrote: >Hi Cindi what Dave says is correct if you go read about herniated >discs it says that sometimes they will heal on their own, not always >and I don't know why they do or don't. But any surgery will weaken >your back Thanks for the Backup I had to have surgery because I crashed a hang glider, my vertebrae were broken and my disks were crushed like stepped on jelly fish. But a normal herniation from overexertion can sometimes heal itself with time and save you more trouble in the future. But only you and your Doctors know for sure. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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