Doctors

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I can't express how disappointed I am with health " care " professionals in

Canada! Out of 12 specialists I have visited, all seemed

rude/rushed/condescending/etc.

I finally found one who really seems to care (Dr. Armstrong in Ottawa,

Canada). She will actually spend a full hour with you if required! I drive

8 hours each way for a visit, but its worth it...

-Mike-

rheumatic Re: A Close Call - Menadione Sodium

>From: Judy Knee <judy@...>

>

>, that is just terrible!! The more I hear, it seems the less care is

>being taken by the health professionals!

>

>I can remember back to when a woman had her first baby she was kept in

>hospital for 10 days - now it's just in and out, no time for the body to

>recouperate at all!!

>

>What would happen if you had had complications??????????????? My feelings

>are that this is gross negligence, perhaps not on the part of the doctors,

>but certainly on the part of the nursing staff in the hospitals - no

>Florence Nightingales around now!

>

>Love and hugs,

>Jude.

>

>At 07:00 PM 11/3/1999 -0700, Jolly wrote:

>>I had knee surgery in October and was supposed to have gotten a spinal.

>>Instead they gave me general and then sent me home semi-conscious even

>>though my ride advised them that she couldn't stay with me. I came to the

>>next day. Just awful. I have Kaiser HMO and I assume the next move will

be

>>to do day surgery right in my car in their parking lot in order to save

more

>>money.

>>

>>

>>

>>

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She's one in a million.

Donna

Ottawa, Canada

Scleroderma, Raynaud's 01/95, AP 10/97

(My Story) www.compmore.net/~donray

rheumatic Re: A Close Call - Menadione Sodium

>

>

>>From: Judy Knee <judy@...>

>>

>>, that is just terrible!! The more I hear, it seems the less care

is

>>being taken by the health professionals!

>>

>>I can remember back to when a woman had her first baby she was kept in

>>hospital for 10 days - now it's just in and out, no time for the body to

>>recouperate at all!!

>>

>>What would happen if you had had complications??????????????? My feelings

>>are that this is gross negligence, perhaps not on the part of the doctors,

>>but certainly on the part of the nursing staff in the hospitals - no

>>Florence Nightingales around now!

>>

>>Love and hugs,

>>Jude.

>>

>>At 07:00 PM 11/3/1999 -0700, Jolly wrote:

>>>I had knee surgery in October and was supposed to have gotten a spinal.

>>>Instead they gave me general and then sent me home semi-conscious even

>>>though my ride advised them that she couldn't stay with me. I came to

the

>>>next day. Just awful. I have Kaiser HMO and I assume the next move will

>be

>>>to do day surgery right in my car in their parking lot in order to save

>more

>>>money.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>> xxxxxx xxxxxx

>> x x x x

>>x x x

>>x Love, Laughter x

>> x and Friends x

>> x are always x

>> x welcome x

>> x here x

>> x x

>> x

>>Perth, Western Australia

>>mailto:judy@...

>>Web site: http://www.iinet.net.au/~judy/jknee2.html

>>ICQ no #7500461

>>Rheumatoid Arthritis 13mths AP 13mths

>>

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In a message dated 3/12/99 6:56:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,

mstahl@... writes:

<< I have visited, all seemed

rude/rushed/condescending/etc. >>

And perhaps Guilty ? LOL

[Guest guest]

We talked to our ped re

> chelation and he is dead

> set

> > against it. I've forwarded our DAN dr's request

> for a chelation

> challenge to

> > our ped, faxed him 25 pgs of info and now he won't

> call me back.

>

> > is 14 now, can't talk and is losing the ability to

> walk, seizing

> daily - what

> > are they waiting for, for her to die??? Betsy

why do you go to doctors who haven't shown any sign of knowing

how to treat the condition? Aren't there other doctors around who

might be more open minded?

One way to find a good doctor is to ask on a big list, but another is

to contact www.gsdl.com and ask for a list of doctors in your area

who do tests like

hair test, comprehensive liver detox test, amino acid panel, etc.

Benrie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It is good to hear the positives, too, including that your dr is willing

to listen.

Sun? Not for me, thank you! When the RA was a real problem, I found

that hot, humid days were the days when the joints flared. I think they

thought the heat was due to the disease, and so responded with more

inflammation. I'm better with cold - which we don't really get here. I

used to get myself going in the mornings by running the cold shower on my

legs, but through summer, even the " cold " tap issues only tepid water.

Apart from one particularly hot, humid day when I went to Sunday for the

holidays, and my joints became a bit stiff (but not hot), mostly this

doesn't bother me now. That fact seems to indicate that the remission is

holding.

Virginai

> Dear Group, We have done considerable doctor bashing here of late (and

> I am as guilty as the next one); however, I do want to TOUT doctors when

> I can. I just found out Dr. DeWet is on his way to New York for a very

> intensive nutritional seminar. Ya just don't find a better M.D. than

> one who is looking at all aspects. I believe he just might be a keeper.

> Also, I told him his diet left a lot to be desired and rather than the

> old ego getting bruised, he was ready to listen and work on his diet for

> us. Have a great, sun filled, pain free day (I say sun-filled because

> it is out here for the first time in weeks!).

>

[Guest guest]

Yes a naturopath is quite knowledgeable about all of that. :-)

[ ] Doctors

I am also confused about all these supplements and enzymes and

vitamins. Isn't there some type of doctor you could consult w/ on

this to determine which supplements would be helpful and not harmful?

My ped says he can only tell me if a supplement would be dangerous

to Kennedy or not. Maybe Dr. Laveman could comment on this one. It

just seems there should be a better and easier way of going about it!

Traci Mom to Kennedy 2.0 and Hunter 4.6

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know how I find doctors in the New England Area that use the

protocol?

Thanks

Lori

[Guest guest]

Mellanie,

It appears that what you are experiencing is a Herxheimer reaction, which

is a good thing. It proves that the Minocin is working. In a month or so,

you should start getting better and better.

I have also found that some drugs and food supplements interfere with

sleep. In particular, I will no longer take MSM in the evening.

Who was the manufacturer of your generic minocycline?

Sincerely, Harald

At 11:15 AM 12/19/02 -0500, you wrote:

>I have read a lot of emails about Dr. Sinnott and Dr. Trentham. Where

>are they located? I may be interested in calling on one of them if I

>don't start feeling better soon.

>

>Also, I started minocycline in January 2001. This October I switched to

>Minocin (100mg 2x a day). I felt better within like 3 days. After a

>couple of weeks I felt amazing. I could almost lie on my side and be

>comfortable. Then, I got sick with a cold and followed up with allergy

>troubles. So, now I feel better than I did but I still don't feel like

>it is working up to it's full potential. My shoulders hurt so bad that

>I have had to sleep on my back for the past year. Also my arms get

>stuck if I raise them over my head during the night. I am wondering if

>I should start oral clindy in addition to my current program. There is

>one thing that I notice this past week. During the past 3-4 years I

>would just lay down in bed and within one minute I would fall asleep. I

>could never even finish my prayers if I was lying down. Now..my 2 year

>old son is diabetic so I get up every night at 2:00 am to check his

>sugar to make sure that he isn't low. Several days ago I noticed that

>when I get back into bed I can't fall asleep right away. I start

>thinking about stuff and my mind just wanders. I have to make a

>concious effort to clear my mind so that I can fall asleep. Does this

>sound like an effect of the Minocin?

>

>Hope everyone is feeling good!

>

>Mellanie

[Guest guest]

Hi Mellanie

I know for me the clindy does get things rolling again. Even ytaking

it 1x aweek!

The other thing is yes allergies CAN interfere with the AP as the

body can perceive them as another infection.

If you do not use benedryl, you may think to do this to control the

rextra hostimine you are producing. it really helps me. Dr Brown the

originator of the tx, used an antihistimine as well. Also, helps you

sleep( I only take 1/2 a tab)

The other long term thjng to do. I use naet. It has helped me

dramatically.

You can email me for questions if you like

Love

Marge

> I have read a lot of emails about Dr. Sinnott and Dr. Trentham.

Where

> are they located? I may be interested in calling on one of them if

I

> don't start feeling better soon.

>

> Also, I started minocycline in January 2001. This October I

switched to

> Minocin (100mg 2x a day). I felt better within like 3 days. After

a

> couple of weeks I felt amazing. I could almost lie on my side and

be

> comfortable. Then, I got sick with a cold and followed up with

allergy

> troubles. So, now I feel better than I did but I still don't feel

like

> it is working up to it's full potential. My shoulders hurt so bad

that

> I have had to sleep on my back for the past year. Also my arms get

> stuck if I raise them over my head during the night. I am

wondering if

> I should start oral clindy in addition to my current program.

There is

> one thing that I notice this past week. During the past 3-4 years I

> would just lay down in bed and within one minute I would fall

asleep. I

> could never even finish my prayers if I was lying down. Now..my 2

year

> old son is diabetic so I get up every night at 2:00 am to check his

> sugar to make sure that he isn't low. Several days ago I noticed

that

> when I get back into bed I can't fall asleep right away. I start

> thinking about stuff and my mind just wanders. I have to make a

> concious effort to clear my mind so that I can fall asleep. Does

this

> sound like an effect of the Minocin?

>

> Hope everyone is feeling good!

>

> Mellanie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mellanie,

Dr. Trentham is in Boston and I believe Dr. Sinnott is in Cedar Grove,

Iowa. Both are top experts on AP.

Hugs

a

Mellanie Henschel wrote:

>

> I have read a lot of emails about Dr. Sinnott and Dr. Trentham. Where

> are they located?...

[Guest guest]

Reply to Deni Gillespie:

I am sorry to hear about your accident and I hope you are feeling better

very quickly. I would sincerely question the PCP about the combination of

Neurontin and Klonopin. Personally, I would stick with just one physician

to control the prescribing of medications, i.e. you neurologist. I am not

accustomed to hearing patients take Klonopin and Neurontin, usually it is

one or the other. Instead of Soma, which causes so much drowsiness, you

might ask about Baclofen. It is used quite a lot with spinal cord injured

patients to help control the spasming. You build up the dosage and it does

not sedate you like Soma does. If you had not eaten and took the Darvocet,

it has the potential for making you faint.

From the tone of your email, you do sound like you are extremely stressed.

It also may be that the Desyrel is not working well for you, depending on

how long you have been on it. Again it would not hurt to ask about any of

the newer SSI anti-depressants.

I wish you the very best!

Blair

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> Thanks for your reply about handling family input. I spoke with one of

> their doctors (someone who does lead chelation at Children's in DC)

> and she said she doesn't know much about hair tests but has heard

> that they are frequently inaccurate making a child's toxicity look much

> worse than it is.

Perhaps that is true, at least from that person's opinion. Ask her

what would be an " acceptable level of toxicity " , reminding her that

the word " toxic " should mean something.

>>The one we are with now is pushing metal free

> and we haven't found anything about it in terms of being a reliable

> chelator. We will see him again soon and will find out if he has

> experience with DMSA, ALA . If not, we'll keep looking.

Last I checked, Metal Free was ALA based, so it probably does

" something " , altho I don't know how much.

> I am feeling down about the whole thing:

Well, you can just chelate and don't tell anyone. When you have

improvements, THEN you can mention it. At least that is what I did.

Now almost my entire family is sold on this idea.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

PEOPLE ARE JUST IDIOTS, & THEY'RE IGNORANT, JANICE--I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CRAP

IN MY LIFE/FAMILY, & I'VE JUST LEARNED TO CONSIDER THE SOURCE--THEY'RE

UNEDUCATED, UNKNOWLEDGABLE & BIASED JERKS, SOME OF 'EM.

JUST CONSIDER THE SOURCE, GIRL--WE ALLL KNOW THE TRUTH. SOMEDAY, OTHERS WILL ,

TOO.

TAKE CARE.

V.

[] Doctors

Whoever said they get migraines, I have em everyday!!

My parents are so ashamed of me, they think being on

drugs and seeing a psychologist is the best thing.

okay....so who helped me get into this social housing

that gave me this sickness, and who keeps telling me

not to bother working?? Parents complain, okay, sign

them up for drugs and counselling too!! And they

actually believe everything and anything doctors or

newscasters say, except they won't hear or look at the

truth!

So what's your problem? Why do you keep worrying

about the future, how does that help you? They don't

look at the possibilities or opportunities, but draw

on your lack of faith, and your problems and blame you

for their worries, fun ain't it??

Add going deaf to the list, and you got parents who

think they have to talk like walruses, and you can't

tell them often enough that people don't ordinarily

talk like that and it gives you migraines, hell

crap...

they still only believe what doctors say, the hell

with the person who's living it and in that body!

Why are people so afraid to see what is real?

What is so terrible about seeing the truth?

J.

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> Whoever said they get migraines, I have em everyday!!

>

> My parents are so ashamed of me, they think being on

> drugs and seeing a psychologist is the best thing.

> okay....

>

> Why are people so afraid to see what is real?

> What is so terrible about seeing the truth?

>

> J.

I am so sorry you are suffering. It makes it more difficult to try to heal

ourselves when we

have to face the obstacles other people throw in front of us. There are many

people who

believe that a person creates their own illnesses, and blame the victim. I was

also sent to a

psych dr- I don't think any of them understand the neurotoxic effects of mold

exposure.

Now that I am healing, I am no longer in a mental fog all the time, my

depression has

abated mostly, and I have more energy. The depression was directly from the mold

exposure! So I think many other mental effects result from mold exposure.

If your family is ashamed of you, that says much more about them then it does

you. You

may need to distance yourself from them to protect your fragile health.

Most people are not interested in the truth, including those who are paid to do

so. Most

people are narrow minded, limited to what they have experienced. Many of us have

had to

endure this kind of thing. On the other side, it is difficult to watch someone

you love suffer

so much, and people handle that in different ways.

I hope you feel better soon.

[Guest guest]

Terri--I am forwarding a couple messages that were posted here previously about doctors who are know to prescribe LDN and another website of complimentary doctors. Also, many people go to their genreal practicioner and convince them to prescribe LDN. They are MUCH more open minded than the specialists.

Kathie

Dr Bernard BIhari new york,NY 212-929-4196 (the man himself-neuro)Dr Wisconsin 608-785-8038 608-785-0038 ...had 2 no's on listDr Sidney, NY 607-561-2000Dr Carole Saratoga springs,NY 518-587-3438Dr Bruce Sharpnack Hickory,PA 724-356-2273Dr Jeff Esper Erie,PA 814-877-4600Dr Sullivan Mechanicsburg,PA 717-697-5050Dr Patti Townely Dwight,Illinois 815-584-3343Dr Myers Skokie,Illinois 847-677-2980Dr Alan Buchman Chicago,Illinois 312-695-5620Dr Bernard s Vernon Hills,Illinois 847-367-0843Dr Stanley Knep(Neuro) Clifton,NJ 973-471-3680Dr ph Wezensky( MD. GP.) & Dr Rick Jensen (ND) Kokopelli zhealth & Wellness Grand Junction,Colorado 970-263-4660PHARMACIES RELIABLE SOURCE of LDN SUPPLY - some on netIrmats NY (212) 685-0500Skips Pharmacy florida (800) 553-7429Keys Pharmacy South Kent,WA (800) 878-1322's Pharmacy Canada (800) 361-6624

noclue915@...

low dose naltrexone

Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:27:43 EDT

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] complimentary doc list

Message-ID: <92.27e8ec13.2fce690f@...>

Found this list of docs thruout U.S. and some foreign countries. They will probably prescribe LDN . Thought it may help . Dr. B is on it too. Kiki

http://www.keephope.net/kdoctorlist.html#

[Guest guest]

On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Hodologica wrote:

> I am not saying doctors shouldnt be doing 10x more bacterial

> cultures. But the fact that they are not doesnt seem like a

> delibarate effort to keep people ill to make money.

I don't think the docs do that either. The drug companies may be quite

guilty of that sort of thinking though. Here in Canada, we don't have

enough docs and they are always way too busy. I think it's time that is

a major problem. They don't have time to read or pay attention to

promising research, unless it's a new drug publicized by the drug

companies. Also, they forget about you as soon as your ten minutes is

up, so not much effort is going into really figuring out what the

problem is. If it's not immediately obvious, you are out of luck.

Anytime I have found a doc willing to spend more than 10 minutes with

me, I have actually learned something. Or the doc has! Well, with the

exception of the ID doc I just got rejected by. Perhaps some doubts

will sink into her mind over time though. You never know.

- Kate D.

[Guest guest]

I agree, drug companies, compared to doctors, have lower incentive to

cure people. A drug company can serve an entire world market, and can

see fluxes of its fortunes based on market changes which respond to

their actions. A doctor that makes a treatment advance will be ahead

of other doctors for several years, and will not run out of patients.

Even after his treatment is widely practiced, he will have great

prestige, and will probably be all set in terms of money and social

status. It could be similar for researchers; I would imagine that you

cant kick around Barry Marshall these days. I think youd probably

have to think twice before saying, hey, that dude Barry Marshall is

in a fantasy world re XYZ.

Forunately, the US funds a crapload of public research. This is good,

because the social aims of medicine are not optimally served by the

profit motive in this age of the condensation of the private sector

into gigantic corporations. Unfortunately, we have seen recently that

the private sector tends to encroach on institutions like NIH, by

giving alot of money to NIH employees. However, without alot more

funding for NIH, thats not going to stop. Researchers want to get

their stuff done, probably in many cases because they believe it is

really good stuff, and there is an insane amount of private money in

the US, and they are not going to refuse that money.

I hear there is talk of cutting NIH funding; not good. I think we

should augment it.

The argument that you need to avoid overtaxing the rich in order to

see free enterprise be most productive, is irrelevant unless you like

what free enterprise is producing (in a particular area)! Therefore,

in spite of my strong overall individualist, libertarian spirit, I

think government should be forceful in conforming biomedical

enterprise to what is socially beneficial, and to accomplish that aim

and analogous ones, it needs to tax and spend significantly. Alas,

everyone disagrees. Some people think family farms need to be

protected by goverment because they too, like cure-oriented research,

are highly desirable and ill-served by a system of free enterprise.

To me, its just not important enough, and I consider it dismal that

the US spends zillions on farm subsidies; the old farm lifeway, while

admirable, is a hermetic interest group (and if you want to

perpetuate a certain culture, get with like-minded people and do it;

you dont have to prop up a moribund economic institution for that!).

The ill, on the other hand, are a " special interest group " that most

people are going to join before they die. Now theres a social issue.

Well, people disagree, thats politics. I vote, baby.

Then theres the problems with the culture of research itself... but

these have often been overstated in some circles. Its not like curing

cancer is some sort of a breeze, that just hasnt been blown because

the will is absent. Thats ridiculous. Take a look at some

contemporary cancer research, its pretty intensive stuff, and anyone

who could radically advance the state of therapy would feel like king

of the world. Vague, gratuitous criticism of the research

establishment could dilute the effect of correct, directed criticism.

Something like the 3.5-yr-old failure of anyone to follow up the

Brorsons MS finding is LITERALLY INSANE and makes me pound my head on

my desk in misery. Missed things like that, or the Goldstein thing re

mono (which I actually dont know anything about), or the

Wirostko/ work (which I know everything about) are

exceptional, but they do happen, and it really sucks, and people all

over should learn about it and get pissed off and show it to other

people, with a good understanding of the facts.

<KateDunlay@h...> wrote:

> I don't think the docs do that either. The drug companies may be

quite

> guilty of that sort of thinking though. Here in Canada, we don't

have

> enough docs and they are always way too busy. I think it's time

that is

> a major problem. They don't have time to read or pay attention to

> promising research, unless it's a new drug publicized by the drug

> companies. Also, they forget about you as soon as your ten minutes

is

> up, so not much effort is going into really figuring out what the

> problem is. If it's not immediately obvious, you are out of luck.

> Anytime I have found a doc willing to spend more than 10 minutes

with

> me, I have actually learned something. Or the doc has! Well, with

the

> exception of the ID doc I just got rejected by. Perhaps some doubts

> will sink into her mind over time though. You never know.

>

> - Kate D.

[Guest guest]

Not in the high desert, but I highly recommend Dr. Wallace in LA.

After 2 years of struggling, he is the one guy who is actually

knowledgeable enough to figure out what is going on with me. From

what I've heard, he's one of the best in the world. He's worth the

trip. I'm in Riverside county, and I have no problem driving out to

see him. He is affiliated with UCLA but works out of cedars-sinai. I

was very very impressed with him. I may be " special " , but he is

immediately starting me on a very aggressive treatment program. I'm

sure he takes each situation differently, but he is the first that

didn't just call me " interesting " or " unusual " and shuffle me around.

Another pretty decent place is Arthritis Center of Riverside.

Personally, I like Dr. Lallande better than Dr. Franco, but that is

just my preference. Both are very good and very knowledgeable...I

just needed a little more expertise than they were able to offer me.

They are also VERY thorough, listen to you and answer questions, and

believe that a combination of traditional and non-traditional

treatments are the best way to treat RA and other autoimmune diseases,

which is what attracted me to them in the first place. Their website

is www.thearthritiscenter.com.

Good luck. Good rheumies are hard to find, I've discovered.

--- In , " jaykay1inhd " <jaykay1inhd@y...>

wrote:

>

> Does anyone know of any good rheumys in southern california, high

> desert area? It seems that most of you are far away but I thought I

> would ask.

>

[Guest guest]

A woman went to the doctor's office where she was seen by one of

the younger doctors. After about four minutes in the examination

room, she burst out, screaming as she ran down the hall. An older

doctor stopped her and asked what the problem was and she told

him her story.

After listening, he had her sit down and relax in another room.

The older doctor marched down the hallway to the back where the

young doctor was writing on his clipboard. " What's the matter

with you? " the older doctor demanded. " Mrs... Reid is 62 years

old, has four grown children and seven grandchildren and you

told her she was pregnant?! "

The younger doctor continued writing and without looking up said,

" Does she still have the hiccups? "

[Guest guest]

I do have that wheelchair. Fortunately I haven't had to use it lately, and hope

I won't need it again. I am keeping it just in case.

Except for that one thing overall that doctor was the best I have had, if that

gives you an idea of what I've gone through. I had gone to a neurologist who

said, " you have neuropathy. My mother has that and it will just get worse. " I

pitty his mother. And later something else happened in regard to the neurologist

that was much worse. So now he is my EX-neurologist.

BVan (Betty)

What a jerk! Doctors can be so mean

It really sounds like you need a wheelchair, hope it goes

well...

[Guest guest]

Doctors are ranked the third leading cause of death in the US. We are very

fortunate in our M.D. as we live in a very small rural town. According to the

nurses, we have the best doctor in town. That's a pretty good recommendation.

His first inclination is to send us to a health food store or WalMart for

something rather than to just whip out the Rx pad. His son just graduated first

in his class and is now a doctor, too. When his father, our doctor, retires, we

may try the son. My husband has to go to a Dr. periodically for his diabetes.

I basically only go when the bone is sticking through my skin, ha, ha.

Amber

However,

there are decent doctors out there and there will be more on the way because

many are starting to realize the error of the ways they've been taught and the

fact that all those overpriced things they call medicine are killing people

and don't really offer any help to anyone if they don't kill you first.

Susie

.

[Guest guest]

Sandy, honey...me thinks that you are working with Dede. This is funny, thank you. When I am in a doctors office, and a women comes in with breast implants...I get up and I pretend that I am looking at the brochure and then put it down on the table in front of her.

Your little cartoons are so neat...love you...Lea

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Doctors

This is so true! They always ask at the doctor's office why

you are there and you have to answer in front of others

what's wrong and sometimes it is embarrassing.

There's nothing worse than a Doctor's Receptionist who insists you tell her

what is wrong with you in a room full of other patients. I know most of us

have experienced this, and I love the way this old guy handled it.

An 86 year old man walked into a crowded waiting room

and approached the desk.... The Receptionist said,

"Yes sir, what are you seeing the Doctor for today?"

"There's something wrong with my dick", he replied.

The receptionist became irritated and said,

"You shouldn't come into a crowded waiting room and say things like that.

"Why not? You asked me what was wrong and I told you," he said.

The Receptionist replied; "Now you've caused some embarrassment in this room full of people.

You should have said there is something wrong with your ear

and discussed the problem further with the Doctor in private."

The man replied;

"You shouldn't ask people questions in a room

full of strangers if the answer could embarrass anyone.

The man walked out, waited several minutes and then re-entered.

The Receptionist smiled smugly and asked, "Yes??"

"There's something wrong with my ear", he stated.

The Receptionist nodded approvingly and smiled

knowing he had taken her advice. "And what is wrong with your ear, Sir?" "

I can't piss out of it," he replied.

The waiting room erupted in laughter.

[Guest guest]

Well I guess we can all agree that most doctors suck and that is why we are here- to learn from each other.--

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with

> > co-infections

> > >

> > >

> > > You know I am under the care of an MD who is also a

naturopath

> > so I am taking toxin binding supplements but after taking the MMS

> > my diarrhea is a lot worse. I'm on my fifth day of taking 15

> drops

> > twice a day and I have had to start and stop several times. I

want

> > so much to get through the two weeks on the full dose but I'm not

> > sure if I will make it.

> > >

> > > Sharon

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Lyme disease with

> co-

> > infections

> > >

> > > I wouldn't particularly count on it removing the

> > toxins. I believe the 'job' of MMS is to kill pathogens, not

remove

> > the toxins that follow the death of the pathogens. I would

> certainly

> > also have a protocol in place to help the body get rid of toxins,

> > like drinking lots of good water, salt baths, etc. The body goes

> > through the nausea and diarrhea after a strong dose of AMMS

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> > the MMS is killing off more pathogens (and there-by creating more

> > toxins) than the body can handle in the normal mode. Jim always

> says

> > the illness is not from the MMS itself, but from the toxins the

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> getting

> > rid of toxins (would have to go over the book again just to make

> > sure). So--in my opinion--it would be best to support the body's

> > detoxing as much as possible and not count on the MMS to get rid

of

> > any toxins.

> > >

> > > Samala,

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> > > Hi Jill I also wonder if it gets rid of the toxins. Toxins

are

> > dead but cause all kinds of problems. With Lyme patients it

occurs

> > after killing off a bacteria and with mold it's the mycotoxins.

If

> > you are a certain genotype according to Dr. Shoemaker you can't

> > excrete toxins. Does MMS take care of these? It's so complex.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie,

I live in NJ and have a lot of " reputable " hospitals there who are even

recommended by the CMTA yet I think sometimes too much knowledge makes doctors

pesimistic because of all the research showing how many people have not

benefited from a type of treatment.  I had more prospective hope 10 years ago

then somehow they went backwards and focus a lot on genetic screening which is

good for science just not helping me at the moment.  Thanks again for the reply.

Andy

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From: Jackie Sachs <jackiesachs@...>

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:49:13 AM

Subject: Re: You have CMT ohhh sorry we can't help you........Hot

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Andy,

I am just getting to my email and I am horrified by what you have had to go

through, but not surprised since this is not all that different than what I went

through, except it was 20 years ago! in this day and age, these doctors should

be ashamed.

Where do you live?

Jackie