Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

June 15, 2007

I am not sure of the amount of calcium and magnesium in CalMax. Are there

any good Magnesium products out there? Where can you get them? Thanks

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June 15, 2007

:

If you're deficient in magnesium, first you need to add magnesium for a

while, not the calcium supplement. That is wiser. It takes a while to build

it

up. You'll have it in your bloodstream first, but it needs to be into your

cells. Being too high in calcium and low in magnesium is dangerous and causes

heart problems, possibly heart attacks as well as other things. And most

people usually have more calcium from their foods and drinks.

It would also be wise for you to study up on it because you'll learn what

makes you get rid of too much magnesium. I would research it at mgwater.com

and get the book " The Magnesium Factor, " by Dr. Mildred Seelig; then get the

book by Dr. Carolyn Dean. I think hers is called " The Miracle of Magnesium. "

Anyway, there's some info in various places on the Internet with little

write-ups on her book and blogs and stuff.

As far as getting magnesium, I get mine from Jigsaw Health. Just type in

Jigsaw Magnesium Malate SR. The " SR " stands for sustained release. It's

expensive, but it's worth it. You will probably get benefit after you take a

couple. My husband and I started on it with our afternoon meal because our

order

came from FedEX late in the day, and we had benefit the next morning after

we woke up. That's how fast it works if you need it. And it lasts 12 hours

in your body and doesn't cause the diarrhea problems as bad as others.

_http://www.jigsawhealth.com/articles/magnesium-comparison.html_

(http://www.jigsawhealth.com/articles/magnesium-comparison.html)

Susie

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June 15, 2007

, read this:

_http://www.mercola.com/2004/aug/7/miracle_magnesium.htm_

(http://www.mercola.com/2004/aug/7/miracle_magnesium.htm)

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June 15, 2007

I'd like to add a question to 's question. I also have a cal/mg that

is correctly balanced, but don't we need MORE mg? And how much should we

take, (or just take to tolerance)? Before I had gall bladder attacks I had

noted some painful knuckles on my left hand and now I'm wondering if it's

calcium deposits. I would guess it's arthritis or bursitis, but with my gall

bladder issues, who knows? I'm drinking a ton of distilled water and it

seems to be helping. But I'm interested in learning more about mg w/o

calcium.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Subject: CalMax and Magnesium Question

I am using a product called Cal Max. It is a magnesium and calcuim

supplement. I am wondering is this a good product to use for magnesium? It

is made by

Dr Micheal Pinkus, Is this a good product for the gallbladder? Any of

comments would be great. Thanks

June 15, 2007

depends ...what is it made up of? Cal: Mag ratio. Most people need

high magnesium not calcium.

Mom2SavNSyd@... wrote:

> I am using a product called Cal Max. It is a magnesium and calcuim

> supplement. I am wondering is this a good product to use for

> magnesium? It is made by

> Dr Micheal Pinkus, Is this a good product for the gallbladder? Any of

> comments would be great. Thanks

>

June 16, 2007

Hi, Evie:

Right now I don't have time to find the amount for you of ca to mg, the

ratio. However, since most of us are high calcium anyway, it's best to add

only

mg for a time. I think that I read in Dr. Blaylock's book that it takes 6

months to build it back up again. Don't forget, you're getting calcium in

foods more so than magnesium.

I did see an amount that Dr. Carolyn Dean said, but I can't remember where I

saw that. Here's something that is in the article at Dr. Mercola's on her

book:

The Calcium-to-Magnesium Ratio

Supplementing with magnesium must also take into account the balance between

calcium and magnesium. Finland, which, from 1973 to 1999 had the highest

recorded incidence of heart attack in middle-aged men in the world, also has a

high calcium-to-magnesium ratio in the diet at 4 parts calcium to 1 part

magnesium. 16-17 Americans in general have a high calcium-to-magnesium ratio in

their diet and consequently in their bodies; the U.S. ratio is 3.5-to-1. Our

dietary emphasis on a high calcium intake without sufficient magnesium and

because of the excessive emphasis on women taking high doses of calcium for

osteoporosis, we are creating more imbalance between the two minerals.

Some researchers predict that the American ratio of calcium to magnesium is

actually approaching 6-to-1, yet, the recommended dietary ratio of calcium to

magnesium in the United States is 2-to-1. Current research on the paleolithic

or caveman diet shows that the ratio of calcium to magnesium in the diet

that our bodies evolved to eat is 1-to-1. 18 In order to offset the deficiency

magnesium induced by excess calcium and to treat the above 22 conditions,

people may find it necessary to ingest one part magnesium to one part calcium

in

supplement form for a period of months to a year. Stabilization on a healthy

diet including green drinks may be possible after that time.

The most commons sources of magnesium are oxide, citrate, glycinate, and

malate. People use oxide and citrate if they suffer from constipation to take

advantage of magnesium's laxative effect. Glycinate seems to cause little

diarrhea and is the best choice for people who already have loose stools.

Magnesium malate has been promoted for people with fibromyalgia to help break up

lactic acid that seems to be part of the fibromyalgia picture.

Dr. Carolyn Dean is a medical doctor and naturopathic doctor. She is a

writer, researcher, and health advocate. She is the lead author on _Death by

Medicine_ (http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/death_by_medicine.htm) and a

health

advisor to yeastconnection.com and curesnaturally.com. She has written

several health books including " _The Miracle of Magnesium_

(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345445880/optimalwellnessc) " . Her Web

site is

carolyndean.com. The Miracle of Magnesium is written for both the lay public

and

practitioners. It is packed with hundreds of journal references that will

convince

doctors of the importance of magnesium and its efficacy in dozens of

conditions--before reaching for the prescription pad.

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June 16, 2007

Hi Evie,

Calcium deposits would be a type of arthritis. Arthritis is not a

condition it is a symptom. Inflammation of the joints. In typical " religious "

fashion, medicine has defined dozens (hundreds) of different types of arthritis,

all on the variation in symptoms. Any " itis " condition is defined by

inflammation. Distilled water is perfect. And yes, it is devoid of minerals

and will leach minerals because of it. It seems to be leaching calcium deposits

from your finger joints by the reduction in your symptoms though. More

magnesium in proper forms will also help. -Dave

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:39 PM

Subject: RE: CalMax and Magnesium Question

I'd like to add a question to 's question. I also have a cal/mg that

is correctly balanced, but don't we need MORE mg? And how much should we

take, (or just take to tolerance)? Before I had gall bladder attacks I had

noted some painful knuckles on my left hand and now I'm wondering if it's

calcium deposits. I would guess it's arthritis or bursitis, but with my gall

bladder issues, who knows? I'm drinking a ton of distilled water and it

seems to be helping. But I'm interested in learning more about mg w/o

calcium.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:23 PM

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Subject: CalMax and Magnesium Question

I am using a product called Cal Max. It is a magnesium and calcuim

supplement. I am wondering is this a good product to use for magnesium? It

is made by

Dr Micheal Pinkus, Is this a good product for the gallbladder? Any of

comments would be great. Thanks

June 16, 2007

Malic Acid realy helps with gall bladder pain as it helps to thin the

bile.Malic acid is found in apples, apple juice or you can get it in capsules at

the

Vitamin Shoppe.

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June 16, 2007

Well, that makes sense. It didn't occur to me that calcium deposits would be

arthritis. But now I get it. I am definitely researching the magnesium

because I've noticed that I've got a lot of magnesium deficiency symptoms.

Hopefully I will have some in my hands tomorrow. Thanks for your response!

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:18 AM

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Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

Hi Evie,

Calcium deposits would be a type of arthritis. Arthritis is not a condition

it is a symptom. Inflammation of the joints. In typical " religious " fashion,

medicine has defined dozens (hundreds) of different types of arthritis, all

on the variation in symptoms. Any " itis " condition is defined by

inflammation. Distilled water is perfect. And yes, it is devoid of minerals

and will leach minerals because of it. It seems to be leaching calcium

deposits from your finger joints by the reduction in your symptoms though.

More magnesium in proper forms will also help. -Dave

June 16, 2007

Thanks; I read that article from Dr. Mercola a couple of days ago. I think

that when I was having the gall bladder attacks I was eating high magnesium

foods. That would explain why a lot of my symptoms improved. I'm finding it

hard to remain on that diet, though. Pain definitely helps improve diet, but

now that the pain is gone I'm doing some of the more tolerable things and

probably not enough.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:16 AM

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Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

Hi, Evie:

Right now I don't have time to find the amount for you of ca to mg, the

ratio. However, since most of us are high calcium anyway, it's best to add

only

mg for a time. I think that I read in Dr. Blaylock's book that it takes 6

months to build it back up again. Don't forget, you're getting calcium in

foods more so than magnesium.

June 17, 2007

This is interesting.Â I do have gall bladder issues and painful knuckles on my

left hand.Â I just ordered some magnesium malate and will see how that works.

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From: Evie Maddox <evie@...>

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Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 3:39 pm

Subject: RE: CalMax and Magnesium Question

I'd like to add a question to 's question. I also have a cal/mg that

is correctly balanced, but don't we need MORE mg? And how much should we

take, (or just take to tolerance)? Before I had gall bladder attacks I had

noted some painful knuckles on my left hand and now I'm wondering if it's

calcium deposits. I would guess it's arthritis or bursitis, but with my gall

bladder issues, who knows? I'm drinking a ton of distilled water and it

seems to be helping. But I'm interested in learning more about mg w/o

calcium.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:23 PM

gallstones

Subject: CalMax and Magnesium Question

I am using a product called Cal Max. It is a magnesium and calcuim

supplement. I am wondering is this a good product to use for magnesium? It

is made by

Dr Micheal Pinkus, Is this a good product for the gallbladder? Any of

comments would be great. Thanks

June 17, 2007

What I want to know isâ€¦why the left hand? I am right-handed; do you think

itâ€™s from less movement? Are you right-handed?

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Of Msewarner@...

Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:08 PM

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Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

This is interesting. I do have gall bladder issues and painful knuckles on my

left hand. I just ordered some magnesium malate and will see how that works.

June 17, 2007

In a message dated 6/16/2007 8:10:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Msewarner@... writes:

This is interesting. I do have gall bladder issues and painful knuckles on

my left hand. I just ordered some magnesium malate and will see how that

works.

When you try it, please let all of us know how it works for you. I hope you

get some relief from it.

Susie

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June 19, 2007

I've also been taking 200 mg of grape seed extract which is helping the knuckle

pain.Â The magnesium malate has not yet arrived (internet order).

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Sent: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:54 am

Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

In a message dated 6/16/2007 8:10:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Msewarner@... writes:

This is interesting. I do have gall bladder issues and painful knuckles on

my left hand. I just ordered some magnesium malate and will see how that

works.

When you try it, please let all of us know how it works for you. I hope you

get some relief from it.

Susie

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June 19, 2007

>>I've also been taking 200 mg of grape seed extract which is helping the

knuckle pain. The magnesium malate has not yet arrived (internet order).

Grapeseed extract is supposed to be good too.

Let us know how the mg works for you, please.

Susie

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June 19, 2007

LOL As does stress. When I was doing research on gall bladder problems, I

realized how much stress (or your ability to handle it) affects it. So

supplements work great, but we have to do our part as well; and that is the

hardest part, imo.

Hi, Evie:

Yes, stress is bad, too much of it, that is. It causes you to also dump

magnesium. Yesterday I was extremely stressed from a job that I was doing. I

do editing for court reporters on depositions, which is called scoping. I

noticed last night that I didn't feel as good, so I took some extra magnesium.

Susie

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June 19, 2007

I was taking grape seed extract for a couple of years (along with other

great supplements) when my problems started. Apparently, diet matters, too.

LOL As does stress. When I was doing research on gall bladder problems, I

realized how much stress (or your ability to handle it) affects it. So

supplements work great, but we have to do our part as well; and that is the

hardest part, imo.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:38 AM

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Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

>>I've also been taking 200 mg of grape seed extract which is helping the

knuckle pain. The magnesium malate has not yet arrived (internet order).

Grapeseed extract is supposed to be good too.

Let us know how the mg works for you, please.

Susie

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June 19, 2007

Evie,

Agreed.Â It's about total lifestyle changes.Â Did you notice any improvements

when you took the Grape seed extract; and how much (mg) did you take?

Thanks for the reminder.

Eleanor

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From: Evie Maddox <evie@...>

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Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:10 am

Subject: RE: CalMax and Magnesium Question

I was taking grape seed extract for a couple of years (along with other

great supplements) when my problems started. Apparently, diet matters, too.

LOL As does stress. When I was doing research on gall bladder problems, I

realized how much stress (or your ability to handle it) affects it. So

supplements work great, but we have to do our part as well; and that is the

hardest part, imo.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:38 AM

gallstones

Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

>>I've also been taking 200 mg of grape seed extract which is helping the

knuckle pain. The magnesium malate has not yet arrived (internet order).

Grapeseed extract is supposed to be good too.

Let us know how the mg works for you, please.

Susie

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June 20, 2007

Eleanor,

I was taking 270 mg off and on; during allergy season I would take more, less at

other times. When I began taking vitamins in 2004 for the NASTIEST, most

HORRIBLE allergies Iâ€™d ever experienced, they went away immediately. Looking

back, I definitely was having magnesium deficiency symptoms before my gall

bladder problems showed up. One day I felt great, the next I could barely get

out of bed. That lasted about 6 weeks and that is when I stopped exercising.

Then, I started getting UTIâ€™s (from using a menstrual cup- long story) and

finally went to the ER with phantom kidney stones. Drank lots of water for a

while, and started doing better. Then early this year, we made the stupid

decision to order PAN pizza. That is what finally did my gall bladder in. Oh, I

forgot that I began experiencing the painful, red, swollen knuckles right before

the gall bladder caved. I will never forget, because I was at an herb shop a

town over, and asked the woman there about my knuckles. She asked me if I had

ever had any gall bladder trouble. I hadnâ€™t then, but after it happened I

decided I am going to her the next time something is wrong! LOL

So all that to sayâ€¦I was taking good quality vitamins that solved some

problems, but couldnâ€™t prevent others. Most likely because of the magnesium.

They had some magnesium in them, but also calcium, and I get a fair amount of

calcium, not to mention stress. And it probably would have helped if my diet

were better.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:38 PM

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Subject: Re: CalMax and Magnesium Question

Evie,

Agreed. It's about total lifestyle changes. Did you notice any improvements

when you took the Grape seed extract; and how much (mg) did you take?

Thanks for the reminder.

Eleanor

June 21, 2007

So Evie,Â The magnesium helped clear up the gallbladder problem and the painful

knuckles?Â Who would have thought a relationship b etween knuckle pain and the

gallbladder??

Thanks,

Eleanor

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