Re: Question - people who had surgery

[Guest guest]

You probably need a good form of magnesium and get it fast. It will lower

the bad cholesterol, the bad trigylcerides too. Your low-fat, low-carb diet

is not the answer to your problem. You need to study Dr. Cabot's

Liver-Cleansing diet and work at it and get your health fats like extra-virgin

olive oil and several others.

I lost my GB back in 2003. I regret it today. Not everyone has a difficult

time, though. I still have digestive problems and the foods that I love the

best give me problems sometimes. I'm improving, though, since I started

back on mg and got a really good one, meaning a sustained-release one, which is

magnesium malate.

Susie

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:08:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wholehealthawareness@... writes:

and how do you think that having your gallbladder removed is going to have a

positive effect on your cardiovascular system? -Dave

Yep, that's what I'd like to know. It seems reading back on his e-mail that

he's taking cholesterol drugs. I guess he must be talking about

cholesterol-lowering drugs, you think? If so, he'll be having to worry about a

lot more

than his GB. Those are a good way to kill your liver.

I did a deposition of a guy not too long ago that was in a horrible car

wreck. He had extreme permanent back injuries. In the meantime of being

treated

for that, the doc put him on cholesterol-lowering drugs. Oops! It

destroyed his liver, so at the time of the depo, he was waiting on a liver

transplant. It caused cirrhosis of the liver. If a doc wanted to put me on

those

things, I'd say, thanks, but no thanks, and you can stick those things where

the

sun don't shine. Then I'd go out and figure everything that I could about

changing my diet and all the natural supplements to help.

Susie

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Holy toledo! I can't believe this! The GB serves an important function and you

should do everything in your power to keep it. To " voluntarily " have it removed

is unthinkable. You need some good fats in your diet. Read " Low-Fat Lies,

High-Fat Frauds " by Vigilante, MD., MPH, and Flynn, PhD. Cholesterol

meds are a scam to get more people to buy expensive drugs. A total cholesterol

of 300 used to be considered normal until the pharmaceutical companies figured

they could make a lot more money if they would lower the normal figure.

Exercise to get your HDL up. Take antifungals (either Diflucan or Nystatin Rx

from Dr.) or oil of wild oregano, apple cider vinegar, garlic, etc. Take A-F

Betafood from Standard Process Labs for your GB. You say you'd rather lose your

GB and hope ...what if that doesn't do it? Then you are worse off. Do your

research before jumping into a surgery that you can never undo.

Amber

I'm going to voluntarily have my gall bladder removed. I just want to

hear about people's experiences who have had their gall bladder removed.

Yes, yes, everyone doesn't think it needs to be removed. I had a gall

bladder attack in July '06. Since then I have had out of control

triglycerides. I am eating a low-fat, low-carb diet....have taken

cholesterol meds...nothing seems to make a dent. I have even lost 31

lbs since then and my triglycerides are still above 1100 and now my HDL

is less than 19 - at the time of my gall bladder attack, my

triglycerides were 1585 with an HDL of 43....

I'd rather lose my gall bladder and hope it positively affects my

triglycerides than die of a heart attack.

Gabe

.

[Guest guest]

Gabe,

Please consider seeing an Alternative or Naturopathic Dr. There may be other

things going on that you can try to resolve.

All the best.

<vespermg@...> wrote:

I'm going to voluntarily have my gall bladder removed. I just want to

hear about people's experiences who have had their gall bladder removed.

Yes, yes, everyone doesn't think it needs to be removed. ....

I'd rather lose my gall bladder and hope it positively affects my

triglycerides than die of a heart attack.

Gabe

[Guest guest]

and how do you think that having your gallbladder removed is going to have a

positive effect on your cardiovascular system? -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:vespermg@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:21 PM

Subject: Question - people who had surgery

I'm going to voluntarily have my gall bladder removed. I just want to

hear about people's experiences who have had their gall bladder removed.

Yes, yes, everyone doesn't think it needs to be removed. I had a gall

bladder attack in July '06. Since then I have had out of control

triglycerides. I am eating a low-fat, low-carb diet....have taken

cholesterol meds...nothing seems to make a dent. I have even lost 31

lbs since then and my triglycerides are still above 1100 and now my HDL

is less than 19 - at the time of my gall bladder attack, my

triglycerides were 1585 with an HDL of 43....

I'd rather lose my gall bladder and hope it positively affects my

triglycerides than die of a heart attack.

Gabe

[Guest guest]

Some doctors are recommending that women that are of supposed high risk of

breast cancer prophylacticaly have their breasts removed. Our wonderful federal

watchdog agency commissioned to protect you from bad drugs (FDA) has just

approved a new drug to completely eliminate women's menstrual cycles

(hormonally) for convenience. Keeping in mind that the number of new cases of

breast cancer dropped by over 10,000 in the first year that HRT was exposed as

causing it. Ludicrous. You can't keep lemmings from running over cliffs.

-Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

Holy toledo! I can't believe this! The GB serves an important function and you

should do everything in your power to keep it. To " voluntarily " have it removed

is unthinkable. You need some good fats in your diet. Read " Low-Fat Lies,

High-Fat Frauds " by Vigilante, MD., MPH, and Flynn, PhD. Cholesterol

meds are a scam to get more people to buy expensive drugs. A total cholesterol

of 300 used to be considered normal until the pharmaceutical companies figured

they could make a lot more money if they would lower the normal figure. Exercise

to get your HDL up. Take antifungals (either Diflucan or Nystatin Rx from Dr.)

or oil of wild oregano, apple cider vinegar, garlic, etc. Take A-F Betafood from

Standard Process Labs for your GB. You say you'd rather lose your GB and hope

....what if that doesn't do it? Then you are worse off. Do your research before

jumping into a surgery that you can never undo.

Amber

I'm going to voluntarily have my gall bladder removed. I just want to

hear about people's experiences who have had their gall bladder removed.

Yes, yes, everyone doesn't think it needs to be removed. I had a gall

bladder attack in July '06. Since then I have had out of control

triglycerides. I am eating a low-fat, low-carb diet....have taken

cholesterol meds...nothing seems to make a dent. I have even lost 31

lbs since then and my triglycerides are still above 1100 and now my HDL

is less than 19 - at the time of my gall bladder attack, my

triglycerides were 1585 with an HDL of 43....

I'd rather lose my gall bladder and hope it positively affects my

triglycerides than die of a heart attack.

Gabe

.

[Guest guest]

First of all, I'm a girl.

Second of all, my family has a strong history of gall bladder

issues. My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother all had their

gall bladders out. My mother at 21. And she's eating fatty foods up

a storm and has my whole life so I don't anticipate any issues.

Third, I can't take any strong cholesterol drugs. I took Tricor and

Lipitor and it made my liver slightly hepatic. My doctor responded

immediately, took me off the drugs and told me to lose weight. I was

just prescribed with omacor, the prescription Omega-3 fish oil.

Fourth, I'll look at the magnesium.

Fifth, I don't have gallstones. I have one 5mm polyp. And I have

had only one gall bladder 'attack' which possibly was pancreatis.

Sixth, my triglycerides are so high that I'm at severe risk for

pancreatis. And my HDL is too low that I'm a serious risk for heart

attack.

Seventh, my cholesterol was phenomenal before my gall bladder attack -

at which point it has stayed 10x normal levels. 20x my previous

normal levels.

I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

>

>

> In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:08:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> wholehealthawareness@... writes:

>

> and how do you think that having your gallbladder removed is going

to have a

> positive effect on your cardiovascular system? -Dave

>

>

>

> Yep, that's what I'd like to know. It seems reading back on his e-

mail that

> he's taking cholesterol drugs. I guess he must be talking about

> cholesterol-lowering drugs, you think? If so, he'll be having to

worry about a lot more

> than his GB. Those are a good way to kill your liver.

>

> I did a deposition of a guy not too long ago that was in a horrible

car

> wreck. He had extreme permanent back injuries. In the meantime

of being treated

> for that, the doc put him on cholesterol-lowering drugs. Oops!

It

> destroyed his liver, so at the time of the depo, he was waiting on

a liver

> transplant. It caused cirrhosis of the liver. If a doc wanted to

put me on those

> things, I'd say, thanks, but no thanks, and you can stick those

things where the

> sun don't shine. Then I'd go out and figure everything that I

could about

> changing my diet and all the natural supplements to help.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

First of all, I'm a girl.

Second of all, my family has a strong history of gall bladder

issues. My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother all had their

gall bladders out. My mother at 21. And she's eating fatty foods up

a storm and has my whole life so I don't anticipate any issues.

Third, I can't take any strong cholesterol drugs. I took Tricor and

Lipitor and it made my liver slightly hepatic. My doctor responded

immediately, took me off the drugs and told me to lose weight. I was

just prescribed with omacor, the prescription Omega-3 fish oil.

Fourth, I'll look at the magnesium.

Fifth, I don't have gallstones. I have one 5mm polyp. And I have

had only one gall bladder 'attack' which possibly was pancreatis.

Sixth, my triglycerides are so high that I'm at severe risk for

pancreatis. And my HDL is too low that I'm a serious risk for heart

attack.

Seventh, my cholesterol was phenomenal before my gall bladder attack -

at which point it has stayed 10x normal levels. 20x my previous

normal levels.

I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

>

>

> In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:08:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> wholehealthawareness@... writes:

>

> and how do you think that having your gallbladder removed is going

to have a

> positive effect on your cardiovascular system? -Dave

>

>

>

> Yep, that's what I'd like to know. It seems reading back on his e-

mail that

> he's taking cholesterol drugs. I guess he must be talking about

> cholesterol-lowering drugs, you think? If so, he'll be having to

worry about a lot more

> than his GB. Those are a good way to kill your liver.

>

> I did a deposition of a guy not too long ago that was in a horrible

car

> wreck. He had extreme permanent back injuries. In the meantime

of being treated

> for that, the doc put him on cholesterol-lowering drugs. Oops!

It

> destroyed his liver, so at the time of the depo, he was waiting on

a liver

> transplant. It caused cirrhosis of the liver. If a doc wanted to

put me on those

> things, I'd say, thanks, but no thanks, and you can stick those

things where the

> sun don't shine. Then I'd go out and figure everything that I

could about

> changing my diet and all the natural supplements to help.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well ,

I have had the surgery and I don't condone running out and having the

surgery. The thing to do is clean the liver and gallbladder and not

use the drugs and surgery. I had the surgery months before I found this

list. About 4 months before this list and curezone was created. I have

been tutored by the originator of this list Dusan, himself. I have

been gallbladder free now for almost 10 years and regret every day. The

problems never have gone away. I have them compounded by chronic

diarrhea. I still have the gall bladder pain from the front below the

ribs to the back shoulder blades every few months when the liver started

to congest. I still have to do liver cleanses on a rigid routine to let

the liver clean out. I do not feel that removal has been of any

benefit. Stones and sludge still form in the liver and not just in the

gallbladder like the doctors like to believe. I am under the

impression that pancreatitis is just another name for a stone stuck in

the bile duct blocking the pancreatic enzymes from flowing. So, yes,

stones are likely involved even though the ultrasound or ct scan does

not pick them up as they are soft cholesterol stones and not calcified.

If you concentrated on trying to remove the toxins from your body that

is creating the imbalance instead of trying to put more poisons like

pharmaceutical drugs into your body you would be a much healthier

person. Drugs in any shape or form is poison to the body and may in

fact relieve a symptom but it is stressing other bodily functions

somewhere else. Start to research health in the form of toxin removal

and you will find much more long term health benefits.

Omega -3 fish oils are not a prescription. They are off the shelf at

most herbal sections of grocery stores and healthfood stores. They are

a food supplement and not a pharmaceutical. I whole hearted agree that

almost all people should take this type of supplement as well as other

good oils like flax, coconut and olive oil. Read Udo's 'Books Fats that

Heal.' I advocate the use of oils to keep the liver/gallbladder working

even if it does cause distress so it does not pack up so full it does

quit working. I have never advocated a fat free diet when there are

gallbladder/liver problems that is the last thing you should do. I

still do not know what gallbladder has to do with cholesterol levels as

they don't have any bearing on each other.

Another thing you should try is to alkalize your body. Distress often

comes with a too acidic body. Often a !/2 lemon a day in a glass of

water has done wonders in relieving liver problems. this is a very

alkalizing substance as well as apple cider vinegar and blackstrap molasses.

Yes look at magnesium. Like the rest said it is one meneral that most

people are difficient in. My last blood tests came back normal but

magnesium took care of the leg cramps that started a feew month ago as

well as the heart palpitations. I was startiing to get my eye twitch

back and it also took care of that. I used a liquid magnesium for fast

effectiveness. Also try to look for malic acid as it will break up any

stones or sludge that is startiing to form.

Check out the Master Cleanse by Stanley Burroughs big benefits there.

G

P.S. I'm sorry for the rant but I was passed over for a job promotion

today, So I am a little bit off today.

wrote:

> First of all, I'm a girl.

>

> Second of all, my family has a strong history of gall bladder

> issues. My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother all had their

> gall bladders out. My mother at 21. And she's eating fatty foods up

> a storm and has my whole life so I don't anticipate any issues.

>

> Third, I can't take any strong cholesterol drugs. I took Tricor and

> Lipitor and it made my liver slightly hepatic. My doctor responded

> immediately, took me off the drugs and told me to lose weight. I was

> just prescribed with omacor, the prescription Omega-3 fish oil.

>

> Fourth, I'll look at the magnesium.

>

> Fifth, I don't have gallstones. I have one 5mm polyp. And I have

> had only one gall bladder 'attack' which possibly was pancreatis.

>

> Sixth, my triglycerides are so high that I'm at severe risk for

> pancreatis. And my HDL is too low that I'm a serious risk for heart

> attack.

>

> Seventh, my cholesterol was phenomenal before my gall bladder attack -

> at which point it has stayed 10x normal levels. 20x my previous

> normal levels.

>

> I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about your job.

I'm also sorry to hear you had problems after your gall bladder

removal. I will again remind you I personally know 3 people related

to me who had no issues after removing their gall bladder. I did

talk with my mother this evening and yes, it took her about 2-3 years

before she could eat anything she wanted but now she is fine.

And yes there is a prescription form of Omega-3's. Omacor.

Gabe

>

> > First of all, I'm a girl.

> >

> > Second of all, my family has a strong history of gall bladder

> > issues. My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother all had their

> > gall bladders out. My mother at 21. And she's eating fatty foods

up

> > a storm and has my whole life so I don't anticipate any issues.

> >

> > Third, I can't take any strong cholesterol drugs. I took Tricor

and

> > Lipitor and it made my liver slightly hepatic. My doctor responded

> > immediately, took me off the drugs and told me to lose weight. I

was

> > just prescribed with omacor, the prescription Omega-3 fish oil.

> >

> > Fourth, I'll look at the magnesium.

> >

> > Fifth, I don't have gallstones. I have one 5mm polyp. And I have

> > had only one gall bladder 'attack' which possibly was pancreatis.

> >

> > Sixth, my triglycerides are so high that I'm at severe risk for

> > pancreatis. And my HDL is too low that I'm a serious risk for

heart

> > attack.

> >

> > Seventh, my cholesterol was phenomenal before my gall bladder

attack -

> > at which point it has stayed 10x normal levels. 20x my previous

> > normal levels.

> >

> > I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The gallbladder is there inside you for a reason. Don't say we did not

tell you so when you find it seeping all the time. 20 - 30min after you

eat you will spend some time in the bathroom and it will continue for

years.

Digestion will slow down due to the fact that bile is not readily there

when it is needed. You will have to take digestive enzyme and betaine

hydrochloride to compensate to have remotely equal digestion as before

the surgery. I bet they has just become accustomed to certain

maladies. There are some deficiencies in digestion that they have

learned to live without.

I am wondering why you are even posting here. Sounds like you have made

up your mind and trying to get the people here to agree with you, to m

ake yourself feel better about your decision. The people here want to

get better, but not by losing body parts.

G

wrote:

> Sorry to hear about your job.

>

> I'm also sorry to hear you had problems after your gall bladder

> removal. I will again remind you I personally know 3 people related

> to me who had no issues after removing their gall bladder. I did

> talk with my mother this evening and yes, it took her about 2-3 years

> before she could eat anything she wanted but now she is fine.

>

> And yes there is a prescription form of Omega-3's. Omacor.

>

> Gabe

>

>

> >

> > Well ,

> >

> > I have had the surgery and I don't condone running out and having

> the

> > surgery.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2007 12:32:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

kgtnm@... writes:

Yes look at magnesium. Like the rest said it is one meneral that most

people are difficient in. My last blood tests came back normal but

magnesium took care of the leg cramps that started a feew month ago as

well as the heart palpitations. I was startiing to get my eye twitch

back and it also took care of that. I used a liquid magnesium for fast

effectiveness. Also try to look for malic acid as it will break up any

stones or sludge that is startiing to form.

I agree. Since I started researching about magnesium, it almost could be

considered the " king " of nutrients because it controls 325 to 350 other

processes in our bodies. That means all those amino acids, enzymes, potassium,

calcium, etc., won't work without it. Well, calcium tries to work, but then

without mg, it becomes dangerous and can cause heart attacks, irregular

heartbeats, kidney stones, muscle spasms, crystal deposits in our joints, and

the list

goes on and on. And not only that, not enough mg can cause liver failure,

gallbladder problems, gallstones.

She needs to get the magnesium malate (malic acid). It's wonderful. That

malate (malic acid) is the best kind that I've ever tried. I get the Jigsaw

brand, which it's made by Albion Laboratories. They have the only TRUE

patented chelated mg, which is in a sustained release.

Some people do fine without their GBs, but I regret having mine out.

Susie

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

" You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her gall bladder

removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out of probably a hundred

or more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead anyway and have

theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's too late.

Amber

.

I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

.

[Guest guest]

That was an absolutely excellent post! I hope she pays attention to it. I

just copied a few of the comments so as not to clutter the list.

Amber

Well ,

I have had the surgery and I don't condone running out and having the surgery.

If you concentrated on trying to remove the toxins from your body ...

Omega -3 fish oils are not a prescription. ... people should take this type

of supplement as well as other good oils like flax, coconut and olive oil.... I

still do not know what gallbladder has to do with cholesterol levels as they

don't have any bearing on each other. ...Another thing you should try is to

alkalize your body.

Yes look at magnesium.

G

.

[Guest guest]

Hey, if that's the way you feel about it, go ahead and have the surgery and then

you can come back to us later and tell us how sorry you are. Three people. Wow!

Amber

I'm also sorry to hear you had problems after your gall bladder

removal. I will again remind you I personally know 3 people related

to me who had no issues after removing their gall bladder. I did

talk with my mother this evening and yes, it took her about 2-3 years

before she could eat anything she wanted but now she is fine.

And yes there is a prescription form of Omega-3's. Omacor.

Gabe

.

[Guest guest]

I don't regret mine being removed. I would've loved to keep it, and I did

control the gb attacks for 2 years with diet. However, while 12 weeks

pregnant I had mine removed last November. I had 12 attacks in 4 days, lost

10 pounds during that time. I went to the hospital and I was yellow all

over, I was jaundiced, my pancreas was also affected because I Could not

keep my blood sugar levels up...they kept dropping so low I was constantly

on the verge of fainting. So with my liver and pancreas being affected, the

attacks not stopping no matter what I did, and being pregnant I had it

removed. I do not miss it, I am not experiencing any problems from it.

My mom had hers removed 2 weeks after I had mine removed...she did hers

voluntarily...she had a calcified stone as big as her gb, she was worried

about cancer. She had it for 30 years and never knew what was causing the

pain. She had it removed and the pain is gone. She has always had problems

with digestion, nothing has changed. I don't have any digestive problems.

Add to the list of people not regretting it, my grandmother and 2 aunts.

I am NOT advocating removing it. I tried to keep mine, I felt I would lose

my baby if I didn't have mine removed...also, I'd rather lose it than mess

up my liver or pancreas. I do believe in doing whatever you can to keep it

though, I don't recommend just going in and asking to have it removed.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Amber

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:42 AM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

" You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her gall

bladder removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out of probably

a hundred or more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead anyway and

have theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's too late.

Amber

.

[Guest guest]

I'm with you 100%. I just told her to go ahead and do it and should could come

back later and tell us how sorry she is. Doesn't sound like she's listening to

any of the reasons to work to keep her GB. Her mind seems to be made up.

Amber

I am wondering why you are even posting here. Sounds like you have made

up your mind and trying to get the people here to agree with you, to m

ake yourself feel better about your decision. The people here want to

get better, but not by losing body parts.

G

.

[Guest guest]

How about praying for her??? I've been on the GallCleanse for over 90

days.....no problems. 3 more months to go before my next ultrasound.

Amber <amber@...> wrote: I'm with you 100%. I just

told her to go ahead and do it and should could come back later and tell us how

sorry she is. Doesn't sound like she's listening to any of the reasons to work

to keep her GB. Her mind seems to be made up.

Amber

I am wondering why you are even posting here. Sounds like you have made

up your mind and trying to get the people here to agree with you, to m

ake yourself feel better about your decision. The people here want to

get better, but not by losing body parts.

G

..

[Guest guest]

If your Gallbladder attack was pancreatitis, and/or your triglycerides and

cholesterol have gone through the roof, you should be considering having your

pancreas and/or liver removed if you feel that removing an organ will heal you

of your symptoms. The gallbladder is nothing more that a muscular bladder to

store and concentrate bile. Both your lipid issues and possible pancreatitis

are liver and pancreas related, not gallbladder (directly). OOPS, wrong organ!

-Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:vespermg@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:21 PM

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

First of all, I'm a girl.

Second of all, my family has a strong history of gall bladder

issues. My mother, grandmother and great-grandmother all had their

gall bladders out. My mother at 21. And she's eating fatty foods up

a storm and has my whole life so I don't anticipate any issues.

Third, I can't take any strong cholesterol drugs. I took Tricor and

Lipitor and it made my liver slightly hepatic. My doctor responded

immediately, took me off the drugs and told me to lose weight. I was

just prescribed with omacor, the prescription Omega-3 fish oil.

Fourth, I'll look at the magnesium.

Fifth, I don't have gallstones. I have one 5mm polyp. And I have

had only one gall bladder 'attack' which possibly was pancreatis.

Sixth, my triglycerides are so high that I'm at severe risk for

pancreatis. And my HDL is too low that I'm a serious risk for heart

attack.

Seventh, my cholesterol was phenomenal before my gall bladder attack -

at which point it has stayed 10x normal levels. 20x my previous

normal levels.

I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

>

>

> In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:08:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> wholehealthawareness@... writes:

>

> and how do you think that having your gallbladder removed is going

to have a

> positive effect on your cardiovascular system? -Dave

>

>

>

> Yep, that's what I'd like to know. It seems reading back on his e-

mail that

> he's taking cholesterol drugs. I guess he must be talking about

> cholesterol-lowering drugs, you think? If so, he'll be having to

worry about a lot more

> than his GB. Those are a good way to kill your liver.

>

> I did a deposition of a guy not too long ago that was in a horrible

car

> wreck. He had extreme permanent back injuries. In the meantime

of being treated

> for that, the doc put him on cholesterol-lowering drugs. Oops!

It

> destroyed his liver, so at the time of the depo, he was waiting on

a liver

> transplant. It caused cirrhosis of the liver. If a doc wanted to

put me on those

> things, I'd say, thanks, but no thanks, and you can stick those

things where the

> sun don't shine. Then I'd go out and figure everything that I

could about

> changing my diet and all the natural supplements to help.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

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I am happy for the three, let us hope that you are not like some of the others

posting here on the group who have regrets. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:51 AM

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

Hey, if that's the way you feel about it, go ahead and have the surgery and

then you can come back to us later and tell us how sorry you are. Three people.

Wow!

Amber

I'm also sorry to hear you had problems after your gall bladder

removal. I will again remind you I personally know 3 people related

to me who had no issues after removing their gall bladder. I did

talk with my mother this evening and yes, it took her about 2-3 years

before she could eat anything she wanted but now she is fine.

And yes there is a prescription form of Omega-3's. Omacor.

Gabe

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I believe your triglycerides are up b/c of an issue w/your liver. Please

email me directly and I'll be happy to talk to you about it.

Tara

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On

Behalf Of

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:22 PM

gallstones

Subject: Question - people who had surgery

I'm going to voluntarily have my gall bladder removed. I just want to

hear about people's experiences who have had their gall bladder removed.

Yes, yes, everyone doesn't think it needs to be removed. I had a gall

bladder attack in July '06. Since then I have had out of control

triglycerides. I am eating a low-fat, low-carb diet....have taken

cholesterol meds...nothing seems to make a dent. I have even lost 31

lbs since then and my triglycerides are still above 1100 and now my HDL

is less than 19 - at the time of my gall bladder attack, my

triglycerides were 1585 with an HDL of 43....

I'd rather lose my gall bladder and hope it positively affects my

triglycerides than die of a heart attack.

Gabe

[Guest guest]

Traci-

They do say pregnancy can make gall bladder attacks worsen. And you

were lucky to have a severe attack early on in your pregnancy...I

guess in the third trimester, they won't operate to remove it.

And I don't seriously mean you were lucky to have a severe gall

bladder attack. Just that it happened when you could do something

about it without damaging your baby.

Gabe

>

> I don't regret mine being removed. I would've loved to keep it,

and I did

> control the gb attacks for 2 years with diet. However, while 12

weeks

> pregnant I had mine removed last November. I had 12 attacks in 4

days, lost

> 10 pounds during that time. I went to the hospital and I was

yellow all

> over, I was jaundiced, my pancreas was also affected because I

Could not

> keep my blood sugar levels up...they kept dropping so low I was

constantly

> on the verge of fainting. So with my liver and pancreas being

affected, the

> attacks not stopping no matter what I did, and being pregnant I had

it

> removed. I do not miss it, I am not experiencing any problems from

it.

> My mom had hers removed 2 weeks after I had mine removed...she did

hers

> voluntarily...she had a calcified stone as big as her gb, she was

worried

> about cancer. She had it for 30 years and never knew what was

causing the

> pain. She had it removed and the pain is gone. She has always had

problems

> with digestion, nothing has changed. I don't have any digestive

problems.

> Add to the list of people not regretting it, my grandmother and 2

aunts.

> I am NOT advocating removing it. I tried to keep mine, I felt I

would lose

> my baby if I didn't have mine removed...also, I'd rather lose it

than mess

> up my liver or pancreas. I do believe in doing whatever you can to

keep it

> though, I don't recommend just going in and asking to have it

removed.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gallstones

[mailto:gallstones ] On

> Behalf Of Amber

> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:42 AM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

>

> This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

> " You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her

gall

> bladder removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out of

probably

> a hundred or more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

> I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead

anyway and

> have theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's too

late.

>

> Amber

>

>

> .

>

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In a message dated 6/15/2007 8:40:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

Msewarner@... writes:

You can order it online from iherb.com if you wish or from any other

reputable online vendor. Otherwise go to your local health food store. All

the

best.

I used to get it from our local health food store. I think most have it. I

forgot to mention lecithin. It's good for all of us to take too. Milk

Thistle is very good.

Susie

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I did feel Blessed to have had the problems so early on. I had a friend who

had hers removed at the end of pregnancy, but they do the old fashioned

surgery then - not the laparoscopic one. A few more weeks and I wouldn't

have been able to have the lap done, they would've done it the other way. I

was still trying to keep my gallbladder - I was juicing beets, gag.

Seriously, if I was doing that - I was trying REALLY hard. LOL.

Traci

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:05 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

Traci-

They do say pregnancy can make gall bladder attacks worsen. And you

were lucky to have a severe attack early on in your pregnancy...I

guess in the third trimester, they won't operate to remove it.

And I don't seriously mean you were lucky to have a severe gall

bladder attack. Just that it happened when you could do something

about it without damaging your baby.

Gabe

>

> I don't regret mine being removed. I would've loved to keep it,

and I did

> control the gb attacks for 2 years with diet. However, while 12

weeks

> pregnant I had mine removed last November. I had 12 attacks in 4

days, lost

> 10 pounds during that time. I went to the hospital and I was

yellow all

> over, I was jaundiced, my pancreas was also affected because I

Could not

> keep my blood sugar levels up...they kept dropping so low I was

constantly

> on the verge of fainting. So with my liver and pancreas being

affected, the

> attacks not stopping no matter what I did, and being pregnant I had

it

> removed. I do not miss it, I am not experiencing any problems from

it.

> My mom had hers removed 2 weeks after I had mine removed...she did

hers

> voluntarily...she had a calcified stone as big as her gb, she was

worried

> about cancer. She had it for 30 years and never knew what was

causing the

> pain. She had it removed and the pain is gone. She has always had

problems

> with digestion, nothing has changed. I don't have any digestive

problems.

> Add to the list of people not regretting it, my grandmother and 2

aunts.

> I am NOT advocating removing it. I tried to keep mine, I felt I

would lose

> my baby if I didn't have mine removed...also, I'd rather lose it

than mess

> up my liver or pancreas. I do believe in doing whatever you can to

keep it

> though, I don't recommend just going in and asking to have it

removed.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gallstones

[mailto:gallstones ] On

> Behalf Of Amber

> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:42 AM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

>

> This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

> " You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her

gall

> bladder removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out of

probably

> a hundred or more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

> I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead

anyway and

> have theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's too

late.

>

> Amber

>

>

> .

>

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Oh and yes, I do believe it was the pregnancy that made it worse. Like I

said, I had controlled the attacks for 2 years with diet. I didn't know I

was pregnant, and I began having attacks again - in fact I came back to this

list for advice then. I began having gb attacks when I could've only been

pregnant a week and they just kept occurring.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:05 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

Traci-

They do say pregnancy can make gall bladder attacks worsen. And you

were lucky to have a severe attack early on in your pregnancy...I

guess in the third trimester, they won't operate to remove it.

And I don't seriously mean you were lucky to have a severe gall

bladder attack. Just that it happened when you could do something

about it without damaging your baby.

Gabe