Re: Question - people who had surgery

June 16, 2007

This is for the lady who wants to remove her gallbladder because of

cholesterol.Â I want to suggest you go out and buy some Lecithin Granules and

have three tablespoons a day (in yogurt, jello, milk or so) for about two weeks

and then cut back to two tablespoons a day thereafter.Â My husband had a

cholesterol problem and this has helped him considerably.Â You can take it one

tablespoon at each meal.Â Then there is red yeast rice which I've heard about

but have no experience with it.Â Do try the Lecithin Granules though.

-----Original Message-----

From: Amber <amber@...>

gallstones

Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 8:42 am

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

" You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her gall bladder

removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out of probably a hundred or

more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead anyway and have

theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's too late.

Amber

..

I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

..

June 16, 2007

where would I find the granules?

>

> This is for the lady who wants to remove her gallbladder because of

cholesterol.Â I want to suggest you go out and buy some Lecithin

Granules and have three tablespoons a day (in yogurt, jello, milk or

so) for about two weeks and then cut back to two tablespoons a day

thereafter.Â My husband had a cholesterol problem and this has

helped him considerably.Â You can take it one tablespoon at each

meal.Â Then there is red yeast rice which I've heard about but have

no experience with it.Â Do try the Lecithin Granules though.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Amber <amber@...>

> gallstones

> Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 8:42 am

> Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

>

> This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

> " You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her

gall bladder removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out

of probably a hundred or more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

> I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead

anyway and have theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's

too late.

>

> Amber

>

> .

>

> I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

>

> .

>

June 16, 2007

You can order it online from iherb.com if you wish or from any other reputable

online vendor.Â Otherwise go to your local health food store.Â All the best.

-----Original Message-----

From: <vespermg@...>

gallstones

Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 9:26 pm

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

where would I find the granules?

>

> This is for the lady who wants to remove her gallbladder because of

cholesterol.Ã‚Â I want to suggest you go out and buy some Lecithin

Granules and have three tablespoons a day (in yogurt, jello, milk or

so) for about two weeks and then cut back to two tablespoons a day

thereafter.Ã‚Â My husband had a cholesterol problem and this has

helped him considerably.Ã‚Â You can take it one tablespoon at each

meal.Ã‚Â Then there is red yeast rice which I've heard about but have

no experience with it.Ã‚Â Do try the Lecithin Granules though.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Amber <amber@...>

> gallstones

> Sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 8:42 am

> Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

>

> This is a note I just received about GB surgery:

> " You know, I have only come across ONE PERSON who felt having her

gall bladder removed resulted in a POSITIVE outcome. ONLY ONE!!! Out

of probably a hundred or more! Those are pretty bad odds, I think! "

> I provided GB information to two people who decided to go ahead

anyway and have theirs removed. They both regret it now. But now it's

too late.

>

> Amber

>

> .

>

> I wanted to hear from people who had the surgery, how it was, etc.

>

> .

>

June 19, 2007

Okay, now I am taking offense at the comments about women eliminating

their menstrual cycles for 'convenience'.

There are many women who's menstrual cycle is a torture, plagued by

debilitating cramps and migraines, among other issues. You have no

right to insult anyone who chooses to take a drug that can better

their quality of life.

The same way no one should ever question you doing what you do. If

the women choose to do it and take the risk to their life, so be it.

You have no right to complain or say anything about it.

Gabe

>

> Some doctors are recommending that women that are of supposed high

risk of breast cancer prophylacticaly have their breasts removed.

Our wonderful federal watchdog agency commissioned to protect you

from bad drugs (FDA) has just approved a new drug to completely

eliminate women's menstrual cycles (hormonally) for convenience.

Keeping in mind that the number of new cases of breast cancer dropped

by over 10,000 in the first year that HRT was exposed as causing it.

Ludicrous. You can't keep lemmings from running over cliffs. -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:34 PM

> Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

>

> Holy toledo! I can't believe this! The GB serves an important

function and you should do everything in your power to keep it.

To " voluntarily " have it removed is unthinkable. You need some good

fats in your diet. Read " Low-Fat Lies, High-Fat Frauds " by

Vigilante, MD., MPH, and Flynn, PhD. Cholesterol meds are a scam

to get more people to buy expensive drugs. A total cholesterol of 300

used to be considered normal until the pharmaceutical companies

figured they could make a lot more money if they would lower the

normal figure. Exercise to get your HDL up. Take antifungals (either

Diflucan or Nystatin Rx from Dr.) or oil of wild oregano, apple cider

vinegar, garlic, etc. Take A-F Betafood from Standard Process Labs

for your GB. You say you'd rather lose your GB and hope ...what if

that doesn't do it? Then you are worse off. Do your research before

jumping into a surgery that you can never undo.

>

> Amber

>

> I'm going to voluntarily have my gall bladder removed. I just

want to

> hear about people's experiences who have had their gall bladder

removed.

>

> Yes, yes, everyone doesn't think it needs to be removed. I had a

gall

> bladder attack in July '06. Since then I have had out of control

> triglycerides. I am eating a low-fat, low-carb diet....have taken

> cholesterol meds...nothing seems to make a dent. I have even lost

31

> lbs since then and my triglycerides are still above 1100 and now

my HDL

> is less than 19 - at the time of my gall bladder attack, my

> triglycerides were 1585 with an HDL of 43....

>

> I'd rather lose my gall bladder and hope it positively affects my

> triglycerides than die of a heart attack.

>

> Gabe

>

> .

>

June 19, 2007

I don't agree. Our tax money already spends a gazillion dollars -yes, a

gazillion- on cancer studies to find " the cure. " Once all these women take

hormones for whatever reason to stop menstruation, the cancer numbers will

go back up, and even more will be spent on cancer. Drugs affect us all, even

when we aren't the ones taking them. Our insurance rates are also affected.

It matters to all of us.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:46 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

Okay, now I am taking offense at the comments about women eliminating

their menstrual cycles for 'convenience'.

There are many women who's menstrual cycle is a torture, plagued by

debilitating cramps and migraines, among other issues. You have no

right to insult anyone who chooses to take a drug that can better

their quality of life.

The same way no one should ever question you doing what you do. If

the women choose to do it and take the risk to their life, so be it.

You have no right to complain or say anything about it.

Gabe

June 19, 2007

Dave, I'm curious - you say you see this every day. What part of the medical

field do you belong to? I'm a Reiki Master and deal with health issues

frequently and have been able to help quite a few people. It's extremely

rewarding, emotionally (I do not charge for my services). Are you a doctor,

naturopath, medical technician? I certainly agree with what you are saying.

Amber

I have every right to point out the lunacy of interfering with the " normal "

functioning of the human body, and the potential consequences thereof. Why?

Because I get to see it everyday and try to help the people who have, through

the process of regaining an amount of health and comfort with the now

compromised body. I would rather have a vehement argument with you about the

potential long term effects than have you wheeled into my place with a

basketball sized tumor, a months to live diagnosis, a ten year old daughter, and

a petrified husband.

-Dave

.

June 19, 2007

I agree with this fully. We can't just go out and take a

drug to stop periods (a normal function) and expect it to fix all of our

problems. I wish I knew the answer to your cramps and mood swings, etc but

I can imagine a pill isn't going to fix them - I'm sure it will only create

more problems in your future. For the cramps, have you looked into the

possibility of endometriosis or fibroids?

I am 100% against birth control anyway because of religious reasons. Even

if you aren't - still, there are side effects to all of these birth control

pills. They are not the answer! The side effects listed on the packaging

of these pills would be enough to make me look for something else.

Dave, you are very upfront with us - I know you have been to me a few times.

It might seem harsh at first glance, but I can see in your tone that you

do want to help people.

Blessings,

Traci

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Dave Shelden

Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:46 AM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: Question - people who had surgery

It is not normal to have torture, dehabilitating cramps, mood swings,

migraines, etc. It indicates a dysfunction. And if 90% of the women in a

particular culture experience this it may be the norm depending on your

definition of the word, but not the functioning of a " normal " reproductive

system. The above can be the consequences of gallbladder problems, hence

fat digestion problems, hence irregular hormone production, etc.

June 19, 2007

Hi Amber,

I would like to do this only once and have it in the archives, this is not

why I write on this group. I am a heretic. I see the worst of the worse

because they have already been everywhere and had every type of treatment

already. They are broke (both physically and financially), frustrated, and

apathetic. If belief was an essential factor in healing, they would all be

doomed. I started writing on this group because Dale asked me to, I have never

had any gallbladder symptoms. I would be a fool to think I do not have

gallbladder issues.

I have been in natural heath for over 30 years, teach herbology and applied

kinesiology at the college level. I have been all over the world in search of

options dealing with cancer. Thrust like so many of us by personal (and

professional) circumstances.

The below is an actual situation. It gnaws at your very heart and soul. I

never want to see this again, and I surely do not want anyone in this group to

experience it first hand. Gabe, please do not take this personally but I have

both hands on the bars of your cage and I am shaking them as violently as I can.

If you are way overweight, living on a diet of Pepsi and whatever, potentially

have torturous menstrual cycles (couldn't tell from the post), and would

consider hormonally stopping your periods, you are, in my not so humble opinion,

probably headed for a very uncomfortable time. This is a life and death

situation. At minimum we are talking about the quality of life before our

deaths.

Having your gallbladder out is not wrong. It may not be your best option.

As a last resort it can be life saving. There are several people on the group

that tried the natural approach and for whatever reason they decided that it was

time to have it removed. Conscious well informed decisions. Bless them. I

would be willing to bet that most of them, and we might see a show of hands,

would tell you that they not only do not regret the time and effort they spent

trying to save it but that it was a life expanding experience and that they are

healthier for it.

Last week, an email showed up at a very opportune time. It was a couple of

quotes by Dr. Albert Schweitzer.

" I do not know your destiny, but one thing I do know: The only ones among you

will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve. "

" Every patient carries her or his doctor inside. Grow into your ideals so life

cannot rob you of them. "

-Dr. Albert Schweitzer

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:00 PM

Subject: Re: Question - people who had surgery

Dave, I'm curious - you say you see this every day. What part of the medical

field do you belong to? I'm a Reiki Master and deal with health issues

frequently and have been able to help quite a few people. It's extremely

rewarding, emotionally (I do not charge for my services). Are you a doctor,

naturopath, medical technician? I certainly agree with what you are saying.

Amber

I have every right to point out the lunacy of interfering with the " normal "

functioning of the human body, and the potential consequences thereof. Why?

Because I get to see it everyday and try to help the people who have, through

the process of regaining an amount of health and comfort with the now

compromised body. I would rather have a vehement argument with you about the

potential long term effects than have you wheeled into my place with a

basketball sized tumor, a months to live diagnosis, a ten year old daughter, and

a petrified husband.

-Dave

.

June 24, 2007

Hi Dave,

Thank you for the information as always it is needed-my understanding of the

Women's Health Inititative is researchers were using ONLY Estrogen (there are 3

E-1,E-2, and E-3 which one were they using?) and they did not include

Progestrone which balances Estrogen-an acculimination of fluid in our body which

in turn retains fluid causing hypertension and other hormones like aldosertrone,

cortisol and the adrenals and or kidneys to over or undercompensate. Our

adrenal supply over 200 hormones and enzymes for regulation. As we age

something goes a miss. There are over 20 hormones for digestion alone-it's

incredible our bodies and they can heal themselves-we just need to find out how

and less is more. Balancing fluids (proper choice of) is very, very critical in

maintaining homostasis.

Sabina~

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

No Mam,

I have every right to point out the lunacy of interfering with the " normal "

functioning of the human body, and the potential consequences thereof. Why?

Because I get to see it everyday and try to help the people who have, through

the process of regaining an amount of health and comfort with the now

compromised body. I would rather have a vehement argument with you about the

potential long term effects than have you wheeled into my place with a

basketball sized tumor, a months to live diagnosis, a ten year old daughter, and

a petrified husband. Considering that our dear lovely FDA approved HRT, and the

incidence of breast cancer went down over 10,000 cases in the first year after

the link between breast cancer and HRT finally became public in mainstream media

(the science had been there for years), the concern that this newly approved

abomination of science and medicine may have serious long term effects is very

well founded.

This is the point of this group. Whether you decide to keep your gallbladder or

not is up to you, but when you come to this group asking for advise you are

going to get it. While you may not like the tone of some, it is proffered out of

love, caring, and in most cases experience.

It is not normal to have torture, dehabilitating cramps, mood swings, migraines,

etc. It indicates a dysfunction. And if 90% of the women in a particular culture

experience this it may be the norm depending on your definition of the word, but

not the functioning of a " normal " reproductive system. The above can be the

consequences of gallbladder problems, hence fat digestion problems, hence

irregular hormone production, etc.

Caveat emptor. If you buy in to what either your government or mainstream

medicine tells you without searching for the " truth " yourself, please look out

for steep slopes.

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

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From: <mailto:vespermg@...>

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:46 PM