9 day flush

[Guest guest]

This is what I did for a 9 day flush:

The first purge I did was quite involved but it really started the process of my

passing stones:

Take 3 Lecithin, 3 B-Complex, 3 Hydrangea and 3 BLG-X with each meal.

Available at health food stores.

Take 2-4 Cascara Sagrada at night to keep bowels clean.

Every A.M. and every P.M. take 2 T olive oil mixed with 2 T fresh squeezed lemon

juice.

1 tsp. apple cider vinegar in a glass of water or V-8 juice helps to soften

stones.

Start: Every A.M., noon and P.M. take the above recipe (olive oil/lemon) for 1

week. Plan the next 2 days to be home. Day 7 start eating light foods only.

e.g. applesauce, figs, pears, drinking apple and other juices, V-8 (in glass

bottles not cans). Keep up the olive oil and lemon juice. Days 8 and 9 NO

FOOD. Juices only. Apple, V-8, olive and lemon. Drink up to 1 gallon of

juices a day.

End of the 9th day about 5:00 p.m. drink 1 cup olive oil mixed with 1 cup fresh

lemon juice. Immediately go to bed and lay still, on your right side and WAIT.

Before too many hours, the stones will start to come out. If you wish to save

them, use rubber gloves and place stones in a strainer, rinse and put in a

container and freeze them. (I did not start passing stones until the following

morning.)

[Guest guest]

my gallbladder is packed with stones (as per ultra sound)

i want to avoid surgery at all costs

i cannot process foods via my digestive tract, i have chronic

constipation IBS related symptoms

i have read so much about gallbladder flushes and know that i need one

BUT i fear worse pain then the gallbladder attacks or stones getting

stuck

is there any chance of this?

[Guest guest]

Yes - there is a chance.

http://www.drbob4health.com/

Read the first few paragraphs on his liver flush link. He talks about

phosfood -- that's what you do to make sure you don't get stones stuck, in

his opinion.

....

-------Original Message-------

From: melbone90

Date: 4/15/2007 4:57:35 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: 9 day flush

my gallbladder is packed with stones (as per ultra sound)

i want to avoid surgery at all costs

i cannot process foods via my digestive tract, i have chronic

constipation IBS related symptoms

i have read so much about gallbladder flushes and know that i need one

BUT i fear worse pain then the gallbladder attacks or stones getting

stuck

is there any chance of this?

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, there is a good chance of the stones getting stuck. Stones are

made up of many different consistencies. Some are very hard, and some are

like sand. The common bile duct is very small, and stones can easily get

stuck. If they do get stuck, this blocks the liver, and all digestion

stops, can go into major liver and pancreas problems.

I had my gall bladder out 5 days ago, and am so sorry that I waited so

long. It was done labriscopily, even though I had two stones that were

considered very large, infected, and inflamed. I did have to stay one night

in the hospital because they found an extra bile duct between the liver and

gall bladder and they wanted to make sure that it was clipped successfully.

My doctor sees this once a year.

I would highly recommend going for the surgery. I had pain for two days, and

feel so much better than I have in many years.

I also had considered the flush, but thought twice.

Good luck to you.

a

[Guest guest]

The purpose of the flush is to soften stones so that they can pass. Do you take

Psyllium for your constipation? Also a good product from health food stores is

LBS II, (Lower bowel stimulant). Works great. Bottle says to take 4. I take

one on the very rare occasions it might be necessary.

Amber

my gallbladder is packed with stones (as per ultra sound)

i want to avoid surgery at all costs

i cannot process foods via my digestive tract, i have chronic

constipation IBS related symptoms

i have read so much about gallbladder flushes and know that i need one

BUT i fear worse pain then the gallbladder attacks or stones getting

stuck

is there any chance of this?

[Guest guest]

I had a GB attack over a year ago and studied about it. Learned that the GB

serves a purpose and wanted to do everything I could to save mine. People who

have surgery end up with bile dripping the rest of the lives. I'd recommend

doing a flush before just opting for surgery. Once it's gone, you can't go

back. I did 3 flushes and still have my GB. Have not had any more pain.

Amber

I would highly recommend going for the surgery. I had pain for two days, and

feel so much better than I have in many years.

I also had considered the flush, but thought twice.

Good luck to you.

a

.

[Guest guest]

Glad it worked for you. Unfortunately, my GB was dead, and blocked that it

was not functioning. You do not know this until you get into surgery.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry. I hope you continue to be well.

Amber

Unfortunately, my GB was dead, and blocked that it

was not functioning.

[Guest guest]

I suggest you purchase www.gallcleanse.com and do it more slowly and gently..

this way no chance of stones getting stuck anywhere,

a couple of us in the group including myself are using this product, I have a

lot of congestion and pain in liver and gallbladder in the past..no problems

using this product and have a sensitive system..

In my opinion this is far safer and gentler on the system and a very welcome

alternative to the traditional olive oil, lemon, etc.

anne

[Guest guest]

There is not a good chance that they will get stuck. In fact, there is a slim

chance. If they do, go straight to the hospital and have your gallbladder

removed. Until then do everything you can to retain a very important organ.

Glad to hear you are feeling better a, but the game is not just about

comfort but also about quality of life after. Having your gallbladder removed

is the easy, convenient, comfortable, immediate relief option. If this is the

only criteria, then by all means have it removed. The lack of function and more

importantly the lack of lifestyle changes from those that got you there in the

first place may be of import too. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: a Stavole<mailto:rstavole@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: Re: 9 day flush

Absolutely, there is a good chance of the stones getting stuck. Stones are

made up of many different consistencies. Some are very hard, and some are

like sand. The common bile duct is very small, and stones can easily get

stuck. If they do get stuck, this blocks the liver, and all digestion

stops, can go into major liver and pancreas problems.

I had my gall bladder out 5 days ago, and am so sorry that I waited so

long. It was done labriscopily, even though I had two stones that were

considered very large, infected, and inflamed. I did have to stay one night

in the hospital because they found an extra bile duct between the liver and

gall bladder and they wanted to make sure that it was clipped successfully.

My doctor sees this once a year.

I would highly recommend going for the surgery. I had pain for two days, and

feel so much better than I have in many years.

I also had considered the flush, but thought twice.

Good luck to you.

a

[Guest guest]

dave & all

thank you so much for all of your input

i was diagnosed 6 years ago with gallstones

and managed quite well for 4-5 of those years

i read and did everything besides a flush (because i was afraid),

changed diet, did yoga for stress,did castor oil packs, these

helped alot,drank lost of organic apple juice & took milk thistle

i was basically pain free

since then i started eating a high fat diet and started eating alot

of meat again and have a ton of stress

even when i have pain tho i get thru it, so it is def not about the

quickest method towards comfort and reilief for me

i have a high tolerance for pain and don't want to risk endangering

myself more if it should become infected and burst or block ducts

i just want my body to work efficiently

and i know with stones it is not

i cannot figure out if is my gallbladder affecting my severe lack of

motility ( i don't beleive it is because i have had it all my life)

it seems that when i am constipated is more so when i have

tenderness in my gall bladder

it is terrible that NO doctors will suggest alternatives

i asked about sound waves to shatter them

i even asked if they would go in and remove just the stones and sew

my gall bladder back up

i think my doctor thougth i was looney!

i don't know why i am so afraid to flush, maybe has something to do

with " holding on to stuff " which is part of my emotional crap

probably contributes to having these health isuues to start with

i have heard alot of about emotional healing and bowel cleansing

also

will try cholonics to address the bowel issue and see if that helps

fiber and diet DO NOT help me in that area

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you are doing this to yourself. What's with the change in diet to a

lot of meat? Surely you know that meat isn't good for people with GB problems.

No reason to be afraid of a flush. There are many choices of flushes, they are

not painful and help to ensure that you can keep your GB and not have to face

surgery and a lifetime of the results of not having a GB.

Amber

i read and did everything besides a flush (because i was afraid),

...since then i started eating a high fat diet and started eating alot

of meat again and have a ton of stress

...i don't know why i am so afraid to flush

[Guest guest]

Hello

I read your post if I may offer a few suggestions re: your lack of motility

and/or enough fluid to prevent constipation. I take 2 tbls of organic flax

seeds ground in a glass of 8 oz of h2o every morning-this will help with

constipation and chlorestrol too. I do the castor oil for my liver cleanse

since I did lose my gall bladder 10 years ago- I do feel better when I use

castor oil. Medications can cause many complications in our gut-I would look

there too. If you drink coffee (as coffee is a dieurtic-it speeds up motility

before your body has an opportunity to absorb nutrients) or eat chocolate reduce

it greatly just to see if it helps you. Drink 6-8 glasses of warm water and

herbal tea (green) throughout the day-no soft drinks-too many chemicals, try

natural fruit juices and fresh fruit and veggies too.

Emotional stuff is also where it manifest itself in our gut-the nerve pathways

from the brain and our heart, too Hope this helped. ~

melbone90 <r9623@...> wrote:

dave & all

thank you so much for all of your input

i was diagnosed 6 years ago with gallstones

and managed quite well for 4-5 of those years

i read and did everything besides a flush (because i was afraid),

changed diet, did yoga for stress,did castor oil packs, these

helped alot,drank lost of organic apple juice & took milk thistle

i was basically pain free

since then i started eating a high fat diet and started eating alot

of meat again and have a ton of stress

even when i have pain tho i get thru it, so it is def not about the

quickest method towards comfort and reilief for me

i have a high tolerance for pain and don't want to risk endangering

myself more if it should become infected and burst or block ducts

i just want my body to work efficiently

and i know with stones it is not

i cannot figure out if is my gallbladder affecting my severe lack of

motility ( i don't beleive it is because i have had it all my life)

it seems that when i am constipated is more so when i have

tenderness in my gall bladder

it is terrible that NO doctors will suggest alternatives

i asked about sound waves to shatter them

i even asked if they would go in and remove just the stones and sew

my gall bladder back up

i think my doctor thougth i was looney!

i don't know why i am so afraid to flush, maybe has something to do

with " holding on to stuff " which is part of my emotional crap

probably contributes to having these health isuues to start with

i have heard alot of about emotional healing and bowel cleansing

also

will try cholonics to address the bowel issue and see if that helps

fiber and diet DO NOT help me in that area

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anne: I am thinking of sending some of the Gallcleanse to a

friend who appears to have a problem and have been waiting for your

daily reports after you have been using the product. Did you have a

lab report on the stones that you had before beginning the

treatment? What is the cost of the test for stones? Do the stones

affect the bladder by putting any extra pressure there?

Dottie

>

> I suggest you purchase www.gallcleanse.com and do it more

slowly and gently..

>

> this way no chance of stones getting stuck anywhere,

>

> a couple of us in the group including myself are using this

product, I have a lot of congestion and pain in liver and

gallbladder in the past..no problems using this product and have a

sensitive system..

>

> In my opinion this is far safer and gentler on the system and a

very welcome alternative to the traditional olive oil, lemon, etc.

>

> anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

i guess i was taking my feeling good for so long for granted

i started to crave meat agin and ate whatever i wanted

at the first sign of pain i went back to watching my diet but it is

not that simple..

>

> Sounds like you are doing this to yourself. What's with the

change in diet to a lot of meat? Surely you know that meat isn't

good for people with GB problems. No reason to be afraid of a

flush. There are many choices of flushes, they are not painful and

help to ensure that you can keep your GB and not have to face

surgery and a lifetime of the results of not having a GB.

>

> Amber

>

>

> i read and did everything besides a flush (because i was

afraid),

> ...since then i started eating a high fat diet and started

eating alot

> of meat again and have a ton of stress

> ...i don't know why i am so afraid to flush

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for the suggestions

i do take ground flax seed and flax oil

but i take the flax seed in my protien shake

maybe taking it in warm water will affect me differently

i try very hard to keep coffee out of my diet but i LOVE it and

sneak it in as a treat when i feel well enough

coffee never ever even makes me want to go to the bathroom tho

that is not why i drink it

no matter how much water i consume it does not change my bowel

habits, that is so frustrating

i still try to drink plenty for my genearal health tho

i do not take any medications, in fact my doctor wanted to prescribe

zelnorm and i was so tempted to try it given the pain and bloating i

am experienceing but i said no

i drink lots of herbal teas and i juice veggies, i drink no soda

this process is very frustrating, trying to find the right path for

natural health

thanks to all for trying to help

> dave & all

> thank you so much for all of your input

> i was diagnosed 6 years ago with gallstones

> and managed quite well for 4-5 of those years

> i read and did everything besides a flush (because i was afraid),

> changed diet, did yoga for stress,did castor oil packs, these

> helped alot,drank lost of organic apple juice & took milk thistle

> i was basically pain free

> since then i started eating a high fat diet and started eating

alot

> of meat again and have a ton of stress

> even when i have pain tho i get thru it, so it is def not about

the

> quickest method towards comfort and reilief for me

> i have a high tolerance for pain and don't want to risk

endangering

> myself more if it should become infected and burst or block ducts

> i just want my body to work efficiently

> and i know with stones it is not

> i cannot figure out if is my gallbladder affecting my severe lack

of

> motility ( i don't beleive it is because i have had it all my life)

> it seems that when i am constipated is more so when i have

> tenderness in my gall bladder

> it is terrible that NO doctors will suggest alternatives

> i asked about sound waves to shatter them

> i even asked if they would go in and remove just the stones and

sew

> my gall bladder back up

> i think my doctor thougth i was looney!

> i don't know why i am so afraid to flush, maybe has something to

do

> with " holding on to stuff " which is part of my emotional crap

> probably contributes to having these health isuues to start with

> i have heard alot of about emotional healing and bowel cleansing

> also

> will try cholonics to address the bowel issue and see if that helps

> fiber and diet DO NOT help me in that area

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good for you. Keep up the good work.

Amber

i guess i was taking my feeling good for so long for granted

i started to crave meat agin and ate whatever i wanted

at the first sign of pain i went back to watching my diet

.

[Guest guest]

Dear Abendot

no I did not have a lab report on stones..I went on the pain and symptoms I have

had over a long period of time..

I think because the gallcleanse is a daily application, progress may be

difficult to note on a daily basis, but by the end of say 3 months , I hope to

be able to say that I can honestly note improvements all round.

I do find that I can feel a little ropey some days, and this is possibly just

extra toxins being around my body temporarily as the bile clumps get broken up

and become more liquidy..just my guessing on this.

anne from UK

Dissolve Cataracts Naturally

www.ethos-success.com

DEEP SEA HEALING

www.ethosmarine4health.com

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Sounds like you are doing this to yourself. What's with the

> change in diet to a lot of meat? Surely you know that meat isn't

> good for people with GB problems. No reason to be afraid of a

> flush. There are many choices of flushes, they are not painful

and

> help to ensure that you can keep your GB and not have to face

> surgery and a lifetime of the results of not having a GB.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> > i read and did everything besides a flush (because i was

> afraid),

> > ...since then i started eating a high fat diet and started

> eating alot

> > of meat again and have a ton of stress

> > ...i don't know why i am so afraid to flush

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I had two huge gall stones get stuck in the central bile duct of my liver during

my first flush. I tlook an extra dose of epsom salts and within 10 minutes the

pain was completely gone (and boy was it painful - I have never experienced so

much pain.) AND the two huge gall sontes emerged within 30 minutes!! Trust

epsom salts in water - this dilates the bile ducts very well when stones get

stuck - NO SURGERY NEEDED

Fulford <clfulford@...> wrote: Yes - there is a

chance.

http://www.drbob4health.com/

Read the first few paragraphs on his liver flush link. He talks about

phosfood -- that's what you do to make sure you don't get stones stuck, in

his opinion.

....

-------Original Message-------

From: melbone90

Date: 4/15/2007 4:57:35 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: 9 day flush

my gallbladder is packed with stones (as per ultra sound)

i want to avoid surgery at all costs

i cannot process foods via my digestive tract, i have chronic

constipation IBS related symptoms

i have read so much about gallbladder flushes and know that i need one

BUT i fear worse pain then the gallbladder attacks or stones getting

stuck

is there any chance of this?

[Guest guest]

How huge were they? Ultrasound shows that my biggest stone is a

monster 4.1 cm across! (For U.S. consumption, that's about 1.6 inches.)

Can I pass this?

Laurel

Yes - there is a

chance.

> http://www.drbob4health.com/

> Read the first few paragraphs on his liver flush link. He talks about

> phosfood -- that's what you do to make sure you don't get stones stuck, in

> his opinion.

>

> ...

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

> From: melbone90

> Date: 4/15/2007 4:57:35 PM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: 9 day flush

>

> my gallbladder is packed with stones (as per ultra sound)

> i want to avoid surgery at all costs

> i cannot process foods via my digestive tract, i have chronic

> constipation IBS related symptoms

> i have read so much about gallbladder flushes and know that i need one

> BUT i fear worse pain then the gallbladder attacks or stones getting

> stuck

> is there any chance of this?

>

[Guest guest]

Just for a frame of reference, I passed one that was 3/4 of an inch. The flush

softens them so that they can pass.

Amber

How huge were they? Ultrasound shows that my biggest stone is a

monster 4.1 cm across! (For U.S. consumption, that's about 1.6 inches.)

Can I pass this?

Laurel

.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Amber, but this is twice that diameter, and I don't know what type it is.

Is there anything I can do to break it up?

Laurel

>

> Just for a frame of reference, I passed one that was 3/4 of an inch. The

flush softens

them so that they can pass.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

> How huge were they? Ultrasound shows that my biggest stone is a

> monster 4.1 cm across! (For U.S. consumption, that's about 1.6 inches.)

> Can I pass this?

>

> Laurel

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I absolutely realize that. I just wanted to let you know that stones

larger than the duct can pass in a flush because the flush softens the stones.

As far as " breaking it up " I really don't know what to advise there. Do you

have an N.D. you could discuss this with? My stones were/are cholesterol

stones. I think most stones are.

Amber

Thanks Amber, but this is twice that diameter, and I don't know what type it

is.

Is there anything I can do to break it up?

Laurel

.