Another question to Dave

April 5, 2007

Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of the

liver and gallbladder through stones?

You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the

downard and upward energies..

I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to

help heal my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a

sensitive constution and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product

that has been discussed recently.

Anne

April 6, 2007

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the

downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to

help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.

>

> Anne

April 6, 2007

Cannot recommend this enough. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Laurel<mailto:lschoenrank@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and

the downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping

to help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been

discussed recently.

>

> Anne

May 14, 2007

No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive behavioral therapy

- call the American Psychological Association in Washington DC they will give

you a referral list of qualified experts.

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: Cannot recommend

this enough. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Laurel<mailto:lschoenrank@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the

downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to

help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.

>

> Anne

May 14, 2007

Of course it is " psychological " . This is what EFT deals with. How is memory

stored? What is a thought? What are the synapse pathways of agoraphobia? By

what mechanism do people become agoraphobic? and what permanent effective

" cure " does the psychiatric community offer? When the American Psychological

association can answer these questions (the last sufficiently), I will turn to

them for a " qualified expert " so I can go through months of " therapy " . Until

then I would recommend trying something that is quick, often effective, and

cheap in comparison. EFT may offer relief. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive behavioral

therapy - call the American Psychological Association in Washington DC they will

give you a referral list of qualified experts.

Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>> wrote:

Cannot recommend this enough. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Laurel<mailto:lschoenrank@...<mailto:lschoenrank@...>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/><http://www.emofree.com/<http://\

www.emofree.com/>>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

--- In

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>, " vanadeux " <vanadeux@...>

wrote:

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and

the downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping

to help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been

discussed recently.

>

> Anne

May 15, 2007

<snip>No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive

behavioral therapy - call the American Psychological Association in

Washington DC they will give you a referral list of qualified experts.<snip>

First, let me say that I am not a doctor. However, I disagree. There seem

to be an incredible number of " psychological illnesses " that are actually

based in nutritional deficiencies (which can be the result of a congested

liver/gallbladder).

Just for starters, see the list of references found at the link following

this opening paragraph: " Psychological disorders and substance abuse can be

associated with nutritional deficiencies. The origin of these nutritional

deficiencies can be due to under eating, overeating, abnormal eating

patterns (Table 1) or as a side effect of alcohol, drugs (Table 2), and

medication use (Table 3). "

http://www.us.oup.com/us/doc/pdr/herbs.doc

Nutritional deficiencies have been *directly* linked to many psychological

issues:

For instance, schizophrenia can be the result of deficiencies in Glycine

and D-serine (there are several studies to review, here's one:

http://ebmh.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/8/3/82?rss=1 ).

Many others (here are just a few):

Iron deficiency can manifest as depression, anxiety, emotional

instability...

Magnesium deficiency (or calcium/magnesium imbalance) can manifest as

anxiety (again!), excessive or unrealistic worrying, chronic muscle

tightness, sleep problems...

B12 deficiency can manifest as depression, hallucinations(!), moodiness,

nervousness...

Folic acid deficiency can manifest as depression, anxiety... etc.

Additionally, one is typically not deficient in only one nutrient, and the

long-term stress of deficiencies creates adrenal problems (and vice versa),

which only exacerbate symptoms.

Luckily, the research has been (and is being) done and the information is

out there!

If I were in your shoes, I would get tested for nutritional deficiencies (a

full-spectrum nutritional panel can be done by Spectrum Labs) AND start

trying to clean up my liver by 1) eating only whole, unprocessed foods

(organic!); 2) drinking only pure, filtered water; 3) getting adequate sleep

(at least eight hours per night); and doing the liver/gallbladder cleanse

(more than once, but definitely not more than once a month).

All the while, I would read, read, read... and then read some more. I would

start here: http://www.liverdoctor.com/02_liverdetox.asp

There are an awful lot of issues that are classified as " all in your head. "

Many (if not all) are actually physiological in origin. And, if that is

your case, I hope you find what you need to reach a healthy state very

quickly! (Of course, if it is not, I wish the same, but I'm betting it is!)

Suzy

--

" Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up

and hurry off as if nothing happened. "

-Winston Churchill-

May 17, 2007

Hi Dave,

What is EFT? Does gallstones have to do with agoraphobia-or did I miss the

intent of these last few posts, sorry...Sabina

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

Of course it is " psychological " . This is what EFT deals with. How is

memory stored? What is a thought? What are the synapse pathways of agoraphobia?

By what mechanism do people become agoraphobic? and what permanent effective

" cure " does the psychiatric community offer? When the American Psychological

association can answer these questions (the last sufficiently), I will turn to

them for a " qualified expert " so I can go through months of " therapy " . Until

then I would recommend trying something that is quick, often effective, and

cheap in comparison. EFT may offer relief. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive behavioral therapy

- call the American Psychological Association in Washington DC they will give

you a referral list of qualified experts.

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>>

wrote: Cannot recommend this enough. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Laurel<mailto:lschoenrank@...<mailto:lschoenrank@...>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/><http://www.emofree.com/<http://\

www.emofree.com/>>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

--- In

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>, " vanadeux " <vanadeux@...>

wrote:

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the

downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to

help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.

>

> Anne

May 17, 2007

There is ALWAYS a ''psychological " component to all physical manifestations.

As to whether agoraphobia is related in any case is up for question. The recent

posts were about EFT, and it's possible effectiveness in dealing with a supposed

psychological issue. While I do not practice it at this time, I have had

nothing but positive feedback on it's effectiveness with " psychological " issues.

The emotions associated with liver/gallbladder in many traditional healing

philosophies is anger/frustration (Liver is the Zang, gallbladder the Fu in TCM

for example). The physical can precipitate the emotional, and visa versa. As

always, these posts can seem to deviate from the topic at hand... However,

everything is connected to everything else, and therefore this discussion is

relative (to the topic at hand, as well as everything else).

EFT is a " new " technique for accessing the motional at a physical level.

If we take the tacked that thoughts and emotions are stored in " memory " then the

question become " How? " . And if they are stored in the brain or somewhere else,

" how " ? And if they are stored physically, they must be biochemical in nature

(to some extent). And if they are stored, can they be accessed? EFT attempts

to deal with some of the questions. It is kind of like a combination of Nei

Kung and acupressure at the same time (not that there is a separation). It may

be helpful for situations like agoraphobia. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Sabina Vega<mailto:sabinavega1@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

Hi Dave,

What is EFT? Does gallstones have to do with agoraphobia-or did I miss the

intent of these last few posts, sorry...Sabina

Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>> wrote:

Of course it is " psychological " . This is what EFT deals with. How is memory

stored? What is a thought? What are the synapse pathways of agoraphobia? By what

mechanism do people become agoraphobic? and what permanent effective " cure " does

the psychiatric community offer? When the American Psychological association can

answer these questions (the last sufficiently), I will turn to them for a

" qualified expert " so I can go through months of " therapy " . Until then I would

recommend trying something that is quick, often effective, and cheap in

comparison. EFT may offer relief. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...<mailto:lizsapar@...>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive behavioral

therapy - call the American Psychological Association in Washington DC they will

give you a referral list of qualified experts.

Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...><mailto:wholeh\

ealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>>> wrote: Cannot

recommend this enough. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From:

Laurel<mailto:lschoenrank@...<mailto:lschoenrank@...><mailto:lschoenrank\

@shaw.ca<mailto:lschoenrank@...>>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >><mailto:gallstones@group\

s.com<mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones <mailt\

o:gallstones >>>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/><http://www.emofree.com/<http://\

www.emofree.com/>><http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/><http://www.e\

mofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/>>>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and

the downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping

to help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been

discussed recently.

>

> Anne

May 18, 2007

To me, EFT means Electronic Funds Transfer. What does it mean to you?

Amber

The recent posts were about EFT

.

May 18, 2007

Emotional Freedom Technique -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

To me, EFT means Electronic Funds Transfer. What does it mean to you?

Amber

The recent posts were about EFT

.

May 18, 2007

Hi Dave,

Thank you for the explanation of EFT but I still don't know what the initials

stand for-yes I do believe there is a psychological component to our chronic

illness-the key perhaps is to try to not resist it but to go forward with

it-some of us experience tremendous pain-it does change our chemistry in the

brain for sure so I try not to judge others not knowing what is going on with

them.

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

There is ALWAYS a ''psychological " component to all physical

manifestations. As to whether agoraphobia is related in any case is up for

question. The recent posts were about EFT, and it's possible effectiveness in

dealing with a supposed psychological issue. While I do not practice it at this

time, I have had nothing but positive feedback on it's effectiveness with

" psychological " issues.

The emotions associated with liver/gallbladder in many traditional healing

philosophies is anger/frustration (Liver is the Zang, gallbladder the Fu in TCM

for example). The physical can precipitate the emotional, and visa versa. As

always, these posts can seem to deviate from the topic at hand... However,

everything is connected to everything else, and therefore this discussion is

relative (to the topic at hand, as well as everything else).

EFT is a " new " technique for accessing the motional at a physical level. If we

take the tacked that thoughts and emotions are stored in " memory " then the

question become " How? " . And if they are stored in the brain or somewhere else,

" how " ? And if they are stored physically, they must be biochemical in nature (to

some extent). And if they are stored, can they be accessed? EFT attempts to deal

with some of the questions. It is kind of like a combination of Nei Kung and

acupressure at the same time (not that there is a separation). It may be helpful

for situations like agoraphobia. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Sabina Vega<mailto:sabinavega1@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

Hi Dave,

What is EFT? Does gallstones have to do with agoraphobia-or did I miss the

intent of these last few posts, sorry...Sabina

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>>

wrote:

Of course it is " psychological " . This is what EFT deals with. How is memory

stored? What is a thought? What are the synapse pathways of agoraphobia? By what

mechanism do people become agoraphobic? and what permanent effective " cure " does

the psychiatric community offer? When the American Psychological association can

answer these questions (the last sufficiently), I will turn to them for a

" qualified expert " so I can go through months of " therapy " . Until then I would

recommend trying something that is quick, often effective, and cheap in

comparison. EFT may offer relief. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Liz Sapareto<mailto:lizsapar@...<mailto:lizsapar@...>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive behavioral therapy

- call the American Psychological Association in Washington DC they will give

you a referral list of qualified experts.

Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...><mailto:wholeh\

ealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>>> wrote: Cannot

recommend this enough. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From:

Laurel<mailto:lschoenrank@...<mailto:lschoenrank@...><mailto:lschoenrank\

@shaw.ca<mailto:lschoenrank@...>>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >><mailto:gallstones@group\

s.com<mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones <mailt\

o:gallstones >>>

Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/><http://www.emofree.com/<http://\

www.emofree.com/>><http://www.emofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/><http://www.e\

mofree.com/<http://www.emofree.com/>>>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the

downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to

help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder..I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.

>

> Anne

May 18, 2007

EFT stands for emotional freedom technique. EFT is somewhat like emotional

accupressure. The following link can further your understanding. -automn

http://www.emofree.com/splash/video_popup.html

----- Original Message -----

From: " Sabina Vega " <sabinavega1@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

Hi Dave,

Thank you for the explanation of EFT but I still don't know what the

initials stand for-yes I do believe there is a psychological component to

our chronic illness-the key perhaps is to try to not resist it but to go

forward with it-some of us experience tremendous pain-it does change our

chemistry in the brain for sure so I try not to judge others not knowing

what is going on with them.

>snip

May 18, 2007

Emotional Freedom Techniques

Sabina Vega wrote:

> Hi Dave,

>

> Thank you for the explanation of EFT but I still don't know what the

> initials stand for

>

May 18, 2007

Ah ha! Thank you.

Amber

Emotional Freedom Techniques

>

July 24, 2008

the medical model of psychological illness is a narrow one

From: Suzy <sgsikora@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

gallstones

Date: Monday, May 14, 2007, 10:00 PM

<snip>No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need expert cognitive

behavioral therapy - call the American Psychological Association in

Washington DC they will give you a referral list of qualified experts.<snip>

First, let me say that I am not a doctor. However, I disagree. There seem

to be an incredible number of " psychological illnesses " that are actually

based in nutritional deficiencies (which can be the result of a congested

liver/gallbladder) .

Just for starters, see the list of references found at the link following

this opening paragraph: " Psychological disorders and substance abuse can be

associated with nutritional deficiencies. The origin of these nutritional

deficiencies can be due to under eating, overeating, abnormal eating

patterns (Table 1) or as a side effect of alcohol, drugs (Table 2), and

medication use (Table 3). "

http://www.us. oup.com/us/ doc/pdr/herbs. doc

Nutritional deficiencies have been *directly* linked to many psychological

issues:

For instance, schizophrenia can be the result of deficiencies in Glycine

and D-serine (there are several studies to review, here's one:

http://ebmh. bmj.com/cgi/ content/extract/ 8/3/82?rss= 1 ).

Many others (here are just a few):

Iron deficiency can manifest as depression, anxiety, emotional

instability. ..

Magnesium deficiency (or calcium/magnesium imbalance) can manifest as

anxiety (again!), excessive or unrealistic worrying, chronic muscle

tightness, sleep problems...

B12 deficiency can manifest as depression, hallucinations( !), moodiness,

nervousness. ..

Folic acid deficiency can manifest as depression, anxiety... etc.

Additionally, one is typically not deficient in only one nutrient, and the

long-term stress of deficiencies creates adrenal problems (and vice versa),

which only exacerbate symptoms.

Luckily, the research has been (and is being) done and the information is

out there!

If I were in your shoes, I would get tested for nutritional deficiencies (a

full-spectrum nutritional panel can be done by Spectrum Labs) AND start

trying to clean up my liver by 1) eating only whole, unprocessed foods

(organic!); 2) drinking only pure, filtered water; 3) getting adequate sleep

(at least eight hours per night); and doing the liver/gallbladder cleanse

(more than once, but definitely not more than once a month).

All the while, I would read, read, read... and then read some more. I would

start here: http://www.liverdoc tor.com/02_ liverdetox. asp

There are an awful lot of issues that are classified as " all in your head. "

Many (if not all) are actually physiological in origin. And, if that is

your case, I hope you find what you need to reach a healthy state very

quickly! (Of course, if it is not, I wish the same, but I'm betting it is!)

Suzy

--

" Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up

and hurry off as if nothing happened. "

-Winston Churchill-

July 24, 2008

where have you been for the past 10 years - CBT is Tx of choice for agrophobia -

not xanax, sedatives, other dependency-forming drugs

Cannot recommend this enough. -Dave

Re: Another question to Dave

Try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go to

http://www.emofree. com/<http://www.emofree. com/><http://www.emofree.

com/<http://www.emofree. com/>>

then search on the term " agoraphobia " .

EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the

points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .

Laurel

>

> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of

the liver

and gallbladder through stones?

>

> You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the

downard

and upward energies..

>

> I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to

help heal

my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder. .I have a sensitive

constution

and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.

>

> Anne

July 24, 2008

?Dave

gallstones@...: lizsapar@...: Thu, 24 Jul 2008

14:04:48 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

where have you been for the past 10 years - CBT is Tx of choice for agrophobia -

not xanax, sedatives, other dependency-forming drugs Cannot recommend this

enough. -Dave Re: Another question to DaveTry EFT (Emotional Freedom

Technique). Go tohttp://www.emofree. com/<http://www.emofree.

com/><http://www.emofree. com/<http://www.emofree. com/>>then search on the term

" agoraphobia " .EFT is like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping

on the points. Like they say: " try it on everything " .Laurel>> Dave do you think that

Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of the liver and gallbladder

through stones?> > You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating,

cooling, and the downard and upward energies..> > I appreciate one must look at

the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to help heal my own agoraphobia by

cleaning out my liver/gallbladder. .I have a sensitive constution and low

energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.> > Anne[Non-text portions of this message have been

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July 25, 2008

??-Dave

gallstones@...: lizsapar@...: Thu, 24 Jul 2008

14:02:22 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave

the medical model of psychological illness is a narrow oneFrom: Suzy <sgsikora@...>Subject: Re:

Re: Another question to Davegallstones@...:

Monday, May 14, 2007, 10:00 PM<snip>No - agoraphobia is psychological. You need

expert cognitivebehavioral therapy - call the American Psychological Association

inWashington DC they will give you a referral list of qualified

experts.<snip>First, let me say that I am not a doctor. However, I disagree.

There seemto be an incredible number of " psychological illnesses " that are

actuallybased in nutritional deficiencies (which can be the result of a

congestedliver/gallbladder) .Just for starters, see the list of references found

at the link followingthis opening paragraph: " Psychological disorders and

substance abuse can beassociated with nutritional deficiencies. The origin of

these nutritionaldeficiencies can be due to under eating, overeating, abnormal

eatingpatterns (Table 1) or as a side effect of alcohol, drugs (Table 2),

andmedication use (Table 3). " http://www.us. oup.com/us/ doc/pdr/herbs.

docNutritional deficiencies have been *directly* linked to many

psychologicalissues:For instance, schizophrenia can be the result of

deficiencies in Glycineand D-serine (there are several studies to review, here's

one:http://ebmh. bmj.com/cgi/ content/extract/ 8/3/82?rss= 1 ).Many others (here

are just a few):Iron deficiency can manifest as depression, anxiety,

emotionalinstability. ..Magnesium deficiency (or calcium/magnesium imbalance)

can manifest asanxiety (again!), excessive or unrealistic worrying, chronic

muscletightness, sleep problems...B12 deficiency can manifest as depression,

hallucinations( !), moodiness,nervousness. ..Folic acid deficiency can manifest

as depression, anxiety... etc.Additionally, one is typically not deficient in

only one nutrient, and thelong-term stress of deficiencies creates adrenal

problems (and vice versa),which only exacerbate symptoms.Luckily, the research

has been (and is being) done and the information isout there!If I were in your

shoes, I would get tested for nutritional deficiencies (afull-spectrum

nutritional panel can be done by Spectrum Labs) AND starttrying to clean up my

liver by 1) eating only whole, unprocessed foods(organic!); 2) drinking only

pure, filtered water; 3) getting adequate sleep(at least eight hours per night);

and doing the liver/gallbladder cleanse(more than once, but definitely not more

than once a month).All the while, I would read, read, read... and then read some

more. I wouldstart here: http://www.liverdoc tor.com/02_ liverdetox. aspThere

are an awful lot of issues that are classified as " all in your head. " Many (if

not all) are actually physiological in origin. And, if that isyour case, I hope

you find what you need to reach a healthy state veryquickly! (Of course, if it

is not, I wish the same, but I'm betting it is!)Suzy-- " Men stumble over the

truth from time to time, but most pick themselves upand hurry off as if nothing

happened. " -Winston Churchill-[Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

August 5, 2008

Using your reasoning: Instead of dealing wholistically with a medical problem -

for several months to heal it, why not just cut the damn organ out right away

Cannot recommend this

enough. -Dave

Re: Another question to DaveTry EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique).

Go tohttp://www. emofree.

com/<http://www.emofree. com/><http://www.emofree. com/<http://www.emofree.

com/>>then search on the term " agoraphobia " .EFT is like a kind of acupuncture

that just uses gentle tapping on the points. Like they say: " try it on

everything " . Laurel>> Dave do you think that

Agoraphobia could be partially caused by blockages of the liver and gallbladder

through stones?> > You have spoken about the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating,

cooling, and the downard and upward energies..> > I appreciate one must look at

the emotional side of things, but I am hoping to help heal my own agoraphobia by

cleaning out my liver/gallbladder. .I have a sensitive constution and low

energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse product that has been discussed

recently.> > Anne[Non-text portions of this

message have been removed]---- -------- --------- --------- ---Take the

Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &

more.

August 6, 2008

Please don't use my reasoning, your obviously having enough trouble with your

own.

I would personally prefer to have agoraphobia (not a fear of wool) go the way of

the dinosaur and as fast as possible. So in answer to your previous question

which I answered with another question that I thought was a rather logical one,

I have been right here that past 10 years observing people struggle laboriously

with socially dehabilitating " conditions " such as agoraphobia and the mediocrely

(sp?) successfull, constantly restimulating " standard treatments " like

cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) (and other derivatives of) in combination

with all those nasty drugs you just mentioned. For those who are not familar,

may it go on the reccord that the " standard treatment " is CBT with the

application of anti depressants (SSRIs and MAO inhibitors). Therefore my

earlier post was a response to your response to a post about EFT as a viable

option for agoraphobia. And while I still support the idea of EFT I am really

at a loss as how this is equivalent to " cut the damn organ out.. " Could you

please explain your reasoning? (Notice I did not ask you to explain mine...

But maybe on the other hand, you are really good at it. This is not the first

time that you have explained someone's reasoning to them. Seem to remember your

view of Amber's inner workings being so graciously brought to light previously.)

By the way we also have Orthomolecular Psychiatry (the management of psychiatric

conditions through nutrition and supplementation) which I believe someone else

brought up and then Colleen just reafirmed. In the case of the original

individual who asked about agoraphobia this may be spectacular. Her

constitution in Ayurveda is Vata. Vata is ether and air by model. These are

pretty light elements. In fact they like to evaporate and disperse. So the

great game for us who are Vata is staying grounded (warm and moist as well).

Herbs like ashwaganda, polygala, and shank pushpi (especially) can be life

altering if appropriate. B vitamins, EFAs, minerals (magnesium, potassium,

zinc, etc.). The potential list goes on...

Always, in all ways,

Dave

gallstones@...: lizsapar@...: Tue, 5 Aug 2008

11:41:02 -0700Subject: RE: Re: Another question to Dave

Using your reasoning: Instead of dealing wholistically with a medical problem -

for several months to heal it, why not just cut the damn organ out right away---

On Thu, 7/24/08, Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:From: Dave

Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>Subject: RE: Re: Another

question to Davegallstones@...: Thursday, July 24, 2008,

5:50 PM?Davegallstones@gro ups.comFrom: lizsapar (DOT) comDate: Thu,

24 Jul 2008 14:04:48 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Another question to

Davewhere have you been for the past 10 years - CBT is Tx of choice for

agrophobia - not xanax, sedatives, other dependency-forming drugs Cannot recommend this enough. -Dave----- Original

Message ----- From: Laurel<mailto: lschoenrank@ shaw.ca<mailto: lschoenrank@

shaw.ca>> gallstones@gro ups.com<mailto: gallstones@ gro

ups.com><mailto: gallstones@ gro ups.com<mailto: gallstones@ gro

ups.com>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:15 AMSubject: Re: Another

question to DaveTry EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Go tohttp://www.

emofree.com/<http://www.emofree. com/><http://www.emofree.

com/<http://www.emofree. com/>>then search on the term " agoraphobia " .EFT is

like a kind of acupuncture that just uses gentle tapping on the points. Like

they say: " try it on everything " . Laurel--- In gallstones@gro

ups.com<mailto: gallstones@ gro ups.com><mailto: gallstones@ gro

ups.com<mailto: gallstones@ gro ups.com>>, " vanadeux " <vanadeux@.. .>

wrote:>> Dave do you think that Agoraphobia could be partially caused by

blockages of the liver and gallbladder through stones?> > You have spoken about

the energies of herbs etc, ie..heating, cooling, and the downard and upward

energies..> > I appreciate one must look at the emotional side of things, but I

am hoping to help heal my own agoraphobia by cleaning out my liver/gallbladder.

..I have a sensitive constution and low energy, so am opting for the gallcleanse

product that has been discussed recently.> > Anne[Non-text portions of

thismessage have been removed]---- -------- --------- --------- ---Take the

Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos &

more.

August 6, 2008

This message is not extremely related, but I just want to express how

important this orthomolecular psychiatry is. I got my degree in

psychology, and suffering from health problems, I was always deeply

bothered by the field's complete ignorance of health's role, which for

me causes 90% of my psychiatric problems. I have been to 2

psychologists, both of which referred me to their psychiatrist for

SSRI's and suggested I try another psychologist that might be able to

help me more since my sessions were all completely fruitless.

Completely fucking useless. And yes, I said that word because it

disturbs me so much. And people ask me why I don't go on to

psychology grad school. Because fuck the stupid worthless system,

that's why. And the next person who suggests that something like

sleeping less will make me feel better, fuck them too. People

completely ignore what constant physical suffering and mental

cloudiness does to one's psyche. Mainly because they can't understand

what it is, as the equally worthless medical field can't properly

diagnose something so " nebulous. "

Sorry, I just had to vent a little bit. Dave, I think you're doing a

great job, thanks, and keep it up.

greg

> By the way we also have Orthomolecular Psychiatry (the management of

psychiatric conditions through nutrition and supplementation) which I

believe someone else brought up and then Colleen just reafirmed. In

the case of the original individual who asked about agoraphobia this

may be spectacular. Her constitution in Ayurveda is Vata. Vata is

ether and air by model. These are pretty light elements. In fact

they like to evaporate and disperse. So the great game for us who are

Vata is staying grounded (warm and moist as well). Herbs like

ashwaganda, polygala, and shank pushpi (especially) can be life

altering if appropriate. B vitamins, EFAs, minerals (magnesium,

potassium, zinc, etc.). The potential list goes on...

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> Dave

>

August 6, 2008

have you tried to rid your body of candida? I do this for one month every two

years. My fog clears up then.

Jay