Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 greg if you are in california I know of an alternative healer in los angeles who is amazing with this stuff good luck On Aug 8, 2008, at 12:43 PM, dreaminginnoother wrote: > yewah... have been signed up to that site for about half a year > already... I don't think you could name an antifungal I have not > tried... Thanks though. > > greg > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > greg > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > www.knowthecause.com by reading through the website and signing up > for the > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > www.bioactivenutrients.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > take, > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > identical > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > Amber > > > > > Battaglia Tel 818 897 8500 Cel 818 268 5395 fbattaglia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Trying to get rid of fungus here? I couldnt get rid of it until I got out the mercury and lead from the body. Immune suppression results from these toxins within the body and then fungus and other pathogenic infections can manifest unabated by the immune system. In addition to that fungus is most likely allowed to proliferate in the body due to its immense mercury absorbing abilities. So you need to address both sides of the coin or you will never get anywhere. Lyme disease can also play a role in fungal development. The answer to health problems is almost always more complex then most want to recognize. The top two mercury pollutants are fish and seafood, amalgam fillings and thermosil laced inoculations. If you have mercury fillings I would get those replaced asap! Brad > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > greg > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > www.knowthecause.com by reading through the website and signing up > for the > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > www.bioactivenutrients.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > take, > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many identical > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > Amber > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 HOW DID YOU GET RID OF THE MERCURY? From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...> Subject: Re: Another question to Dave gallstones Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:00 PM Trying to get rid of fungus here? I couldnt get rid of it until I got out the mercury and lead from the body. Immune suppression results from these toxins within the body and then fungus and other pathogenic infections can manifest unabated by the immune system. In addition to that fungus is most likely allowed to proliferate in the body due to its immense mercury absorbing abilities. So you need to address both sides of the coin or you will never get anywhere. Lyme disease can also play a role in fungal development. The answer to health problems is almost always more complex then most want to recognize. The top two mercury pollutants are fish and seafood, amalgam fillings and thermosil laced inoculations. If you have mercury fillings I would get those replaced asap! Brad > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > greg > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > for the > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > take, > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many identical > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > Amber > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 EDTA??? Liz Sapareto <lizsapar@... om> To Sent by: gallstones gallstones@g cc roups.com Subject Re: Re: Another 08/14/2008 03:24 question to Dave AM Please respond to gallstones@g roups.com HOW DID YOU GET RID OF THE MERCURY? From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...> Subject: Re: Another question to Dave gallstones Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:00 PM Trying to get rid of fungus here? I couldnt get rid of it until I got out the mercury and lead from the body. Immune suppression results from these toxins within the body and then fungus and other pathogenic infections can manifest unabated by the immune system. In addition to that fungus is most likely allowed to proliferate in the body due to its immense mercury absorbing abilities. So you need to address both sides of the coin or you will never get anywhere. Lyme disease can also play a role in fungal development. The answer to health problems is almost always more complex then most want to recognize. The top two mercury pollutants are fish and seafood, amalgam fillings and thermosil laced inoculations. If you have mercury fillings I would get those replaced asap! Brad > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > greg > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > for the > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > take, > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many identical > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > Amber > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 From what I have learned, EDTA (in any form) causes a neuro-toxic complex with mercury, doesn't mobilize mercury very well, doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, and is not safe if you still have mercury fillings. > > > EDTA??? > > > > > Liz Sapareto > <lizsapar@... > om> To > Sent by: gallstones > gallstones@g cc > roups.com > Subject > Re: Re: Another > 08/14/2008 03:24 question to Dave > AM > > > Please respond to > gallstones@g > roups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > HOW DID YOU GET RID OF THE MERCURY? > > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...> wrote: > > From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...> > Subject: Re: Another question to Dave > To: gallstones > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:00 PM > > Trying to get rid of fungus here? > > I couldnt get rid of it until I got out the mercury and lead from the > body. Immune suppression results from these toxins within the body > and then fungus and other pathogenic infections can manifest unabated > by the immune system. In addition to that fungus is most likely > allowed to proliferate in the body due to its immense mercury > absorbing abilities. So you need to address both sides of the coin or > you will never get anywhere. > Lyme disease can also play a role in fungal development. > > The answer to health problems is almost always more complex then most > want to recognize. > > The top two mercury pollutants are fish and seafood, amalgam fillings > and thermosil laced inoculations. > > If you have mercury fillings I would get those replaced asap! > > Brad > --- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " dreaminginnoother " > <dreaminginnoother@ ...> wrote: > > > > yewah... have been signed up to that site for about half a year > > already... I don't think you could name an antifungal I have not > > tried... Thanks though. > > > > greg > > > > --- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " Amber " <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > > for the > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > > take, > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > identical > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Hey guys, Sorry for the delayed response. Been dealing with my immune system kicking into gear and its pushing infection out of my body. Some of it through my skin...not fun.. So I couldn't sit down for a while it was too painful. Ok, to answer these questions. Don't chelated Heavy Metals if you still have Amalgam (Silver/Mercury) fillings. They will simply re pollute your body. Get them removed from a dentist who is trained in safe mercury filling extraction: http://www.mercuryfreedentists.com/ I have not fully removed all the mercury and lead from my body. I don't know how much more I have to do but I do know this, that heavy metals can take months or years to eliminate depending on the person, which heavy metals, the form of mercury found in the body and the type of chelators taken. And that people who have chronic health problems can't recover fully until the heavy metal factor is eliminated. It is so intimately tied in with disease its SICK (literally and figuratively). To see what I'm using currently scroll down to the bottom if you wish. I have heard of those criticisms before which I think Fred mentioned about EDTA making Mercury more neurotoxic. I however don't think this is the case especially if the person/physician knows what he/she is doing. In addition to that I have personally witnessed 3 people in IV clinics where Chelation is used go from Critically ill in wheel chairs to walking with a walker and talking/eating again. Some of these people are now walking on their own again! So I don't put much dry weight into EDTA making people worse. If used properly EDTA and its friends which also should be used (DMSA and DMPS) can be life changing for the better. In addition to this, I question which is more neurotoxic to chelate the heavy metals and remove them from the body or to leave the metals in indefinitely and suffer from all the damaging potential of each heavy metal. It's terrible that it is a crime to make public claims that some kind of treatment cured or restored your health because it suppresses all those thousands of people who are curing chronic illness. So if I'm breaking the law by typing this too bad. I care about helping others too much for it to even matter. Through my experience I've seen some interesting facts which are just basic observations and interpretations from listening to my own body: 1. Heavy metals can bond to any tissue in the body however seem to bond particularly strongly with fat tissues (this would be the Gastro intestinal tract and brain). It just so happens that these are the most commonly damaged areas during chronic illness (at least thats what I believe) Coincidence? I think not. Heavy metals can cause so much oxidative stress/damage to blood vessels and localized nerve tissue that this allows for tiny pockets of infection (millions or billions of them throughout the body) to take hold. The combination of heavy metals, infection and the resultant neurotoxins allow sufficient damage to occur to the vascular tissue and cellular metabolism that allows many diseases to get a foot hold in the body. 2. Chronic Cytokine production and pathogenic inducing neurotoxins contribute to the cascading effect as an inflammatory medium continue damage to the body. It just so happens that Cytokines are released by fat cells in response to infection/toxins. http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com/ http://www.fightaging.org/archives/000806.php 2. Between Heavy Metals, various infections including Lyme disease (www.canlyme.com) and the resulting cascade of responses by the body that this almost fully explains the chronic inflammatory response which many people who are ill experience. 3. Personal beliefs on why Chelation benefits people who have serious neuro-degenerative diseases and many other clinical or sub-clinical diseases. Part of this fact I did mention above that heavy metals are in highest concentrations in fatty tissue and the bones of the body. So those fatty areas like the brain and central nervous system will benefit the most during chelation. I simply believe that at least some of the debilitation that these people suffer (curled up unusable hands, unable to eat or walk etc) are a result of intra-cranial pressure (brain swelling, cerebral edema or whatever you want to call it). Of course some of this debility is also a direct result of neurological damage to brain and nerve cells. Chelation removes the oxidative substances like heavy metals and allows for a reduction in inflammation to occur. I personally believe that many emotional problems and brain disorders are caused by heavy metal toxicity (and usually opportunistic infections), depression, anxiety, bi-polar, OCD, ADHD etc. 4. Why I think this is important to everyone. Because many health conditions that doctors tout as being seemingly innocuous can and usually do eventually manifest as some kind of neurodegenerative disease later on in life. Micro circulation (capillary beds) is ultra important to keep healthy in everyone because with inflammation brings the clogging of these capillaries (caused by hyper-coagulated red blood cells and dead white blood cells). Capillary bed growth stops because of this and begins to recede as more and more cells are starved of oxygen and nutrients. Metabolic waste products (CO2, Hydrogen Ions, Lactic Acid) build up and contribute to even more inflammatory response. So essentially I think the body is prevented from doing the basic fundamental function which is to get blood cells to the body cells where they are needed for basic cell life and healthy immune response. EDTA is not strongestly indicated for Mercury its more used for Lead. Lead can increase the neurotoxicity of Mercury many fold. As it turns out some of us were born already with high levels of Lead and Mercury within our systems due to the fact that these substances have the ability to pass through the placental membranes into the fetus. I think it makes sense to seek proper help with safe chelation of heavy metals while at the same time taking anti-microbial substances. 1. Get Far Infrared Sauna exposure every day. This helps liberate heavy metals from the tissues, you sweat a small amount out through the skin. Probably more heavy metals are excreted in the urine and feces after sauna use. A study shows more heavy metals in the sweat from Far Infrared compared to regular sauna. But it makes sense to take some kind of chelator like the zeolite close to sauna use. www.sunlightsaunas.com I have their Solocare system. But there are other portable suanas which I hear are really good and much cheaper (I spent $3100 Canadian) but I love mine and dont regret spending that money. I do remember seeing one on www.betterhealthguy.com but I can't seem to find it right now... 2. Rebounding every day. Seems to mechanically (physically) liberate toxins and heavy metals from tissues which have significant vascular damage. 3. Exercise. I do anything involving mild exertion like rollerblading at a slow pace and Beginners Yoga (the hot yoga is too much detox for me to handle at the time being). I just started using ACZ nano http://www.resultsrna.com/ which is a micronized Zeolite. Apparently it's good for helping the body to eliminate heavy metals. I think it makes sense to take an additional chelator while using stuff like EDTA, DMSA and DMPS to help prevent heavy metal redisposition into healthy tissues. 4. EDTA suppositories www.detoxamin.com My circulation improved all over after taking this. Incredible results. I'll send some links so you guys can read up on it. I feel SO much better and more at peace while taking this product. My body for the first time in years is warm ! Memory seems to be getting better as well. I'll type out more details responses when I get time. Very important information on chelation: http://wwwhealthfreedomcoachcom.blogspot.com/2008/06/chelation-for-detoxificatio\ n-immune.html http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050905/chelation_autism_05\ 0905/20050905/ http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p24.htm Why Heavy metals are a problem, Townsend compilation: http://www.townsendletter.com/June2007/mercury0607.htm http://www.townsendletter.com/June2007/webpot0607.htm http://www.townsendletter.com/April2007/guided0407.htm http://www.tuberose.com/Mercury.html This is an excellent testimony to the dangers of mercury amalgam: both as a patient and as a dental professional. Click on the following Hyperlink: http://www.tuberose.com/Mercury.html Scroll down the video " Smoking Teeth " : the other two are also good. View the Video. 5. I do some kidney and liver support by taking about 5 limes a day with water and about 2 tsp of natural honey. Most of the time I just drink the juice of 5 limes all at once, although one could juice only 1 or 2 limes and drink it 2 or 3x a day. I also eat a handful of parsley for more detox organ support. 6. Coffee enemas: I use regularly. Helps eliminate the neurotoxins and heavy metals which are expediated out of the body. Normally the bile toxins can be re absorbed by the small intestine producing an intestinal\hepatical auto-intoxication cycle. I'll send more detailed info on coffee enemas. I think it makes sense to use a combination of the EDTA and DMSA with DMPS. So I'm looking into a compounding pharmacy for the DMSA and DMPS. Most pharmacies do this you just have to know who to ask. Naturopathic Doctors should know and be able to order it or an MD who understands chelation. A good website. This guy seems to know lots about detoxing in general www.betterhealthguy.com I'm sure there is tonnes I left out. I really just don't know enough about heavy metals. I just started reading and learning from others about 6 months ago. Please anyone feel free to add to this or express your own opinion. Thanks to those who actually managed to read all this lol Brad > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > > for the > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > > take, > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > identical > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 I had mentioned the EDTA neurotoxic thing only because I had read it. I really don't know anything about that. Perhaps that was irresponsible on my part. My apologies! I am currently taking an over-the-counter product that includes chlorella, cilantro, ALA, and MSM among other things. While everyone's situation is different as you mention, do you think that you can have success from such a product without taking more agressive measures? Thanks! > > > > > > yewah... have been signed up to that site for about half a year > > > already... I don't think you could name an antifungal I have not > > > tried... Thanks though. > > > > > > greg > > > > > > --- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " Amber " <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > > > for the > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > > > take, > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > identical > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Up most of the night surfing sites after going to the S.A. site. Thanks Brad. Went to their links page and then ended up on Whale. Phenomenal resource site for health and everything else. For those of you who check it out and are interested in how your government works for you, try the " Videos " page and check out " Conspiracy of Silence " . Not really related to gallbladders except as another testament that when the established authorities tell you something it might be best to take it with a grain of salt (bile salts preferably). The company that puts out the AZN Zeolites has actually done quite a bit of research and it looks like they are completely safe to chelate mercury while fillings are still present. While things like DMPS and the like mobilize mercury from the tissues, the bonding with the zeolites immediately becomes unreactable. Dr. Lynn Hanshew is their spokesman on this and they may have a powerpoint available for those who are interested. -Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I have recently found out that my 10 and 14 year-old boys are hypothyroid. I wish I knew how much of the cause is mercury versus flouride versus other causes. I am going to take some steps to drastically reduce the flouride in their bodies. But I am not sure what to do about the potential mercury problem. They had vaccinations (presumably with mercury) but they don't have any amalgams. Their mom has amalgams. But from what I understand, very little mercury should be passed unless the mother has mobilized the mercury via a chelation/cleanse which she has never done. The whole idea of mercury testing seems very controversial. What is the most accurate? unprovoked urine, provoked urine, hair, etc. I am not sure whether to have them tested or not - maybe a waste of time? Perhaps, I should just start with some OTC mercury products. I am not sure. I will be discussing this with my osteopath next week (who does do the mercury IV treatments). But he is going to have his own biases. I would like to be as knowledgable as possible before the visit. Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated!!! > > > > > > yewah... have been signed up to that site for about half a year > > > already... I don't think you could name an antifungal I have not > > > tried... Thanks though. > > > > > > greg > > > > > > --- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " Amber " <amber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > > > for the > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > > > take, > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > identical > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hi fred, This guy is great on the science and propaganda surrounding the mercury issue with vaccines. The average child today receives over 62 times the EPA's allowed level of mercury in their first day out of the womb from vaccinations! The way they get away with it is to then average it out over the first 180 days of life. As Dr. Ayoub points out it is so absurd it is like saying " here take all you heart medications for the next 62 days today, you will be just fine. there is gobs of stuff on vaccinations on this sight but mercury is just one of the issues. The induced immunal response and subsequent inflammation may be just as bad. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ayoub_v.html<http://www.whale.to/vaccine/ayoub_v.htm\ l> He will explain why blood tests, hair analysis and the like are not accurate tests. In fact with hair analysis the risk is almost in reverse proportion because it shows what the body is excreting. So children with Autism show low levels through hair analysis while those that have been exposed to the same amounts but are non autistic show high levels! Anyhow, I would say enjoy but there is nothing enjoyable in finding out that your government has your worst wishes at heart... -Dave Re: Another question to Dave I have recently found out that my 10 and 14 year-old boys are hypothyroid. I wish I knew how much of the cause is mercury versus flouride versus other causes. I am going to take some steps to drastically reduce the flouride in their bodies. But I am not sure what to do about the potential mercury problem. They had vaccinations (presumably with mercury) but they don't have any amalgams. Their mom has amalgams. But from what I understand, very little mercury should be passed unless the mother has mobilized the mercury via a chelation/cleanse which she has never done. The whole idea of mercury testing seems very controversial. What is the most accurate? unprovoked urine, provoked urine, hair, etc. I am not sure whether to have them tested or not - maybe a waste of time? Perhaps, I should just start with some OTC mercury products. I am not sure. I will be discussing this with my osteopath next week (who does do the mercury IV treatments). But he is going to have his own biases. I would like to be as knowledgable as possible before the visit. Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have spent the > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and signing up > > > for the > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn what to > > > take, > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > identical > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Dave, what would you recommend if you were in my shoes? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > spent the > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > signing up > > > > for the > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > what to > > > > take, > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > identical > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Hi Fred, Would definitely see the Osteo and find out what he has to say. He is going to do blood pannels on pituitary and thyroid. Especially considering the age of your sons, pituitary panel is important. Considering the potential for retainment of heavy metals the zeolites are supposedly more effective than anything found yet and completely safe even for infants. Can't hurt. Chlorophyll is another important chelator/detoxifier. Chlorella micro algae is the highest source. Cilantro is also excellent. All endocrine herbs that are not hormonal could be helpful. The 14 year old can take any endocrine herbs even hormonal. So non hormonal like saw palmetto, cubeb berry, licorice, prickly ash bark. Hormonally active: Ginseng, fo ti, black cohosh or sheng ma. Both amino acids and fats are essential. So if there is any kind of digestive disruption it can cause all kinds of problems. A good digestive enzyme that contains proteases, lipases, and amylases at the very least will only help in so many ways. good luck, -Dave Re: Another question to Dave Dave, what would you recommend if you were in my shoes? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > spent the > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > signing up > > > > for the > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > what to > > > > take, > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > identical > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Hey Fred, Sorry I really didn't want to come across as being argumentative or anything like that. I think communicating over the internet is difficult sometimes. All that information wasn't in response to your comment, I wanted to post that for the past 3 weeks but didn't get around to it. I wanted to provide as much info as I could about the heavy metal issue simply because I know there is such a variance of information out there about it but yet it seems to be the health topic least addressed for many chronically ill people. So no need to apologize at all Fred. I do respect everyones opinions even if they differ from mine. I know you asked Dave to answer your question about Chelation and Hypothyroidism but ill give my opinion if your open to it anyways. Guess what? Hypothyroidism is linked through research to Mercury toxicity. Of course there is detractors to this research but that is not uncommon whenever disease prevention is the focus of the research. And as you said it's not the only cause of Hypothyroidism. There are other causes too such as the inflammitory cascade within the body (chronic Cytokine activity) and certain infections such as Lyme disease. I believe the amalgam issue is a huge factor in predisposition of disease. Most dentists are in complete denial about them causing health problems. I know of one dentist who was made very sick by his fillings and now all he does is amalgam removal. As safe as possible, but even with all the safety guards in place there is still mercury released into the body. I'm trying to help people with ALS which is essentially late stage undiagnosed Lyme disease mixed with heavy metal toxicity. When they get more than one filling taken out their ALS symptoms get worse. They get SO much weaker. This slowly passes as they begin to chelate the heavy metals out. If your wife wants to get them removed have them taken out 1 at a time as opposed to all at once. This can make someone very sick as too much mercury will be released at once for the body to handle. And it's also recommended to do some IV vitamin C before/same day and after the amalgam extraction. This helps to mop up the released mercury into the system. The Cuttler protocol is a good resource for more info. All fillings will leak mercury into the system. The ADA of course will never admit to causing any harm to people due to massive liability concerns. Billions of dollars in lawsuits from many thousands of people through class action would be brought against them if they ever admitted fault. Also credibility would be forever damaged with the ADA. So they will never say that amalgams cause health problems. However I do know of a class action suit which has already taken place. This was not against the ADA directly but rather the CDC. The CDC had to change the information on their website to show that Mercury can cause health problems: Here is some quotes from the CDC's website: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts46.html#bookmark06 How might I be exposed to mercury? * Eating fish or shellfish contaminated with methylmercury. * Breathing vapors in air from spills, incinerators, and industries that burn mercury-containing fuels. * Release of mercury from dental work and medical treatments. * Breathing contaminated workplace air or skin contact during use in the workplace (dental, health services, chemical, and other industries that use mercury). * Practicing rituals that include mercury. top How can mercury affect my health? The nervous system is very sensitive to all forms of mercury. Methylmercury and metallic mercury vapors are more harmful than other forms, because more mercury in these forms reaches the brain. Exposure to high levels of metallic, inorganic, or organic mercury can permanently damage the brain, kidneys, and developing fetus. Effects on brain functioning may result in irritability, shyness, tremors, changes in vision or hearing, and memory problems. Short-term exposure to high levels of metallic mercury vapors may cause effects including lung damage, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, increases in blood pressure or heart rate, skin rashes, and eye irritation. top How likely is mercury to cause cancer? There are inadequate human cancer data available for all forms of mercury. Mercuric chloride has caused increases in several types of tumors in rats and mice, and methylmercury has caused kidney tumors in male mice. The EPA has determined that mercuric chloride and methylmercury are possible human carcinogens. top How does mercury affect children? Very young children are more sensitive to mercury than adults. Mercury in the mother's body passes to the fetus and may accumulate there. It can also can pass to a nursing infant through breast milk. However, the benefits of breast feeding may be greater than the possible adverse effects of mercury in breast milk. Mercury's harmful effects that may be passed from the mother to the fetus include brain damage, mental retardation, incoordination, blindness, seizures, and inability to speak. Children poisoned by mercury may develop problems of their nervous and digestive systems, and kidney damage. End quote It's hard to know who to believe when it comes to research. Often research can be set up to fail or succeed to support the financial interests of the company or organization who paid for the research to be performed in the first place. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/08/25/drug-companies.asp\ x That link above talks about an editor for New England Journal of Medicine resigning after stating that " she was tired of being an advertising agency for drug companies " . So I think since it can be interpreted that there is a non-consensus regarding whether or not mercury is a health hazard then a trial of certain chelators would be able to answer that quickly. Let your body tell you whether or not mercury is adversely affecting it. I noticed dramatic benefits after 1 week of using the EDTA suppositories. www.detoxamin.com Thats where I get mine from, its expensive but worth every penny for the health I am regaining. So you could try a 15 day supply and see if you feel any better at the end of it. Here is a link to the Comparison between EDTA suppositories and IV EDTA: Here is the direct link: http://www.ana-jana.org/Journal/journals/janavol10n022007.pdf Its on page 44 I believe. Hope that helps Fred and others Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > spent the > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > signing up > > > > for the > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > what to > > > > take, > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > identical > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dave, please excuse my ignorance, but what are zeolites? What are they used for? Thanks! ________________________________ From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Dave Shelden Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:10 PM gallstones Subject: Re: Re: Another question to Dave Hi Fred, Would definitely see the Osteo and find out what he has to say. He is going to do blood pannels on pituitary and thyroid. Especially considering the age of your sons, pituitary panel is important. Considering the potential for retainment of heavy metals the zeolites are supposedly more effective than anything found yet and completely safe even for infants. Can't hurt. Chlorophyll is another important chelator/detoxifier. Chlorella micro algae is the highest source. Cilantro is also excellent. All endocrine herbs that are not hormonal could be helpful. The 14 year old can take any endocrine herbs even hormonal. So non hormonal like saw palmetto, cubeb berry, licorice, prickly ash bark. Hormonally active: Ginseng, fo ti, black cohosh or sheng ma. Both amino acids and fats are essential. So if there is any kind of digestive disruption it can cause all kinds of problems. A good digestive enzyme that contains proteases, lipases, and amylases at the very least w! ill only help in so many ways. good luck, -Dave Re: Another question to Dave Dave, what would you recommend if you were in my shoes? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > spent the > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > signing up > > > > for the > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > what to > > > > take, > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > identical > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Zeolites are volcanic mineral structures that form when lava hits water. This errodes and then sedimentarily becomes a form of clay. Bentonite, montmorillite etc are members of this group. They have massive surface area and bind to heavy metals. The ones being called zeolites are from the clinoptolite group. They are further treated to colloidal size so they can be absorbed and cross epithelial tissues. Other zeolites have been used in agriculture for binding heavy metals for some time. So while other chelating agents mobilize mercury (and it is therefore available to be redeposited in other tissues) for instance, the zeolites bind to them and then the whole structure is excreted out of the urine. The craze was started by a network marketing company called Wiora (sp?) and I resisted delving deeply because of this. there are now many regular sources. I have attended some conferences with the Dr. that is spearheading the research for the brand that Brad mentioned and the research looks fantastic. I do not have enough experience with them yet in my practice to make a definitive statement but they are quite selective to the heavier minerals and seem to be quite safe. Chelating like most other things is a double edged sword... If it takes out mercury does it take out zinc, manganese, boron, selenium, etc.? This is a vital issue. By dragging mercury, lead, cadmium, etc. out we may deplete other vital minerals. -Dave Re: Another question to Dave Dave, what would you recommend if you were in my shoes? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > spent the > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > signing up > > > > for the > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > what to > > > > take, > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > identical > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Brad, thanks so much for this information! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > > spent the > > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > > signing up > > > > > for the > > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > > what to > > > > > take, > > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > > identical > > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I tried saying this but you did a better job of that Dave. lol Well said yet again. Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am pretty sure that is my problem, which is why I have > spent the > > > > > > last 2 years trying everything to rid myself of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > greg > > > > > > > > > > A person can gain a wealth of information about yeast on > > > > > www.knowthecause. com by reading through the website and > signing up > > > > for the > > > > > free monthly newsletter. I buy antifungal products from > > > > > www.bioactivenutrie nts.com and rotate them. Once you learn > what to > > > > take, > > > > > most health food stores carry good products. I've found many > > > identical > > > > > products on-line to be cheaper, however. > > > > > > > > > > Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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