Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I eat only organic veggies, have been doing colon cleanse for a year. I believe the problem lies in the fact, I have had hepatitis a few times & lived in the Middle East and may have acquired some parasites. ----- Original Message ---- From: judy kemecsei <judyk8@...> gallstones Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 2:04:38 PM Subject: gallstones Hi, If you have done 50 cleanses and you are still getting stones, could it be that you have not changed your diet, even vegetarians get stones if they eat foods with chemicals or maybe its your body products or home products, your liver has to get rid of everything you breathe and put on your skin. have you done the colon cleanses before the liver cleanses, very important! judy, cleansing coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I have heard that being a vegetarian can be a cause for getting gallstones, and that it's not a good way to eat to avoid them. That being said, I am also a vegetarian - I haven't eaten meat since I was 12 and cannot imagine starting. I have thought about trying it for the benefit of my health, at least things like fish, but I just cannot bring myself to do it. -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Waters Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:11 PM gallstones Subject: Re: gallstones I eat only organic veggies, have been doing colon cleanse for a year. I believe the problem lies in the fact, I have had hepatitis a few times & lived in the Middle East and may have acquired some parasites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Haven't heard that before,,,,but worth looking into about vegetarians have a propensity to gallstones. I have been a vegetarian since I was 18. ----- Original Message ---- From: Traci <tracic@...> gallstones Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 4:21:20 PM Subject: RE: gallstones I have heard that being a vegetarian can be a cause for getting gallstones, and that it's not a good way to eat to avoid them. That being said, I am also a vegetarian - I haven't eaten meat since I was 12 and cannot imagine starting. I have thought about trying it for the benefit of my health, at least things like fish, but I just cannot bring myself to do it. -----Original Message----- From: gallstones@gro ups.com [mailto:gallstones@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Waters Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:11 PM gallstones@gro ups.com Subject: Re: gallstones I eat only organic veggies, have been doing colon cleanse for a year. I believe the problem lies in the fact, I have had hepatitis a few times & lived in the Middle East and may have acquired some parasites. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor ..ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I know it was discussed on this list some time ago...some time between Feb 2005 and December 2005. Just thought I'd give you the dates in case you wanted to sort through the archives. I haven't eaten meat in 19 years and I just don't want to, but I know a lot of the info that came through pretty much convinced me that some is beneficial for health. I forget why being a vegetarian could actually cause gallstones, but that's what I was told anyway....there was even someone here who converted because they believed they were getting the gallstones from being a vegetarian. Maybe they are still on this list??? -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Waters Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:48 PM gallstones Subject: Re: gallstones Haven't heard that before,,,,but worth looking into about vegetarians have a propensity to gallstones. I have been a vegetarian since I was 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Yep, are you getting plenty of oils in your diet? -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: gallstones Haven't heard that before,,,,but worth looking into about vegetarians have a propensity to gallstones. I have been a vegetarian since I was 18. ----- Original Message ---- From: Traci <tracic@...<mailto:tracic@...>> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 4:21:20 PM Subject: RE: gallstones I have heard that being a vegetarian can be a cause for getting gallstones, and that it's not a good way to eat to avoid them. That being said, I am also a vegetarian - I haven't eaten meat since I was 12 and cannot imagine starting. I have thought about trying it for the benefit of my health, at least things like fish, but I just cannot bring myself to do it. -----Original Message----- From: gallstones@gro ups.com [mailto:gallstones@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Waters Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:11 PM gallstones@gro ups.com Subject: Re: gallstones I eat only organic veggies, have been doing colon cleanse for a year. I believe the problem lies in the fact, I have had hepatitis a few times & lived in the Middle East and may have acquired some parasites. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor ..ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I am. I use only extra virgin centrifuged coconut oil & olive oil. I take 3 tablespoons of coconut oil everyday. Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: Yep, are you getting plenty of oils in your diet? -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: gallstones Haven't heard that before,,,,but worth looking into about vegetarians have a propensity to gallstones. I have been a vegetarian since I was 18. ----- Original Message ---- From: Traci <tracic@...<mailto:tracic@...>> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 4:21:20 PM Subject: RE: gallstones I have heard that being a vegetarian can be a cause for getting gallstones, and that it's not a good way to eat to avoid them. That being said, I am also a vegetarian - I haven't eaten meat since I was 12 and cannot imagine starting. I have thought about trying it for the benefit of my health, at least things like fish, but I just cannot bring myself to do it. -----Original Message----- From: gallstones@gro ups.com [mailto:gallstones@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Waters Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:11 PM gallstones@gro ups.com Subject: Re: gallstones I eat only organic veggies, have been doing colon cleanse for a year. I believe the problem lies in the fact, I have had hepatitis a few times & lived in the Middle East and may have acquired some parasites. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor ..ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 While the premier high heat oil for cooking and a myriad of health benefits, coconut oil may be too heavy for you. Think about thinner viscosity oil sources. How about lecithin or it's constituents, bile acids, malic acid. fulvic acid or some other cholesteric acids? Herbal chologaugues and support? ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: gallstones I am. I use only extra virgin centrifuged coconut oil & olive oil. I take 3 tablespoons of coconut oil everyday. Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>> wrote: Yep, are you getting plenty of oils in your diet? -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Waters<mailto:yaakov45@...<mailto:yaakov45@...>> To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\ <mailto:gallstones >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: gallstones Haven't heard that before,,,,but worth looking into about vegetarians have a propensity to gallstones. I have been a vegetarian since I was 18. ----- Original Message ---- From: Traci <tracic@...<mailto:tracic@...><mailto:tracic@...<mailto:tra\ cic@...>>> To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\ <mailto:gallstones >> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2006 4:21:20 PM Subject: RE: gallstones I have heard that being a vegetarian can be a cause for getting gallstones, and that it's not a good way to eat to avoid them. That being said, I am also a vegetarian - I haven't eaten meat since I was 12 and cannot imagine starting. I have thought about trying it for the benefit of my health, at least things like fish, but I just cannot bring myself to do it. -----Original Message----- From: gallstones@gro ups.com [mailto:gallstones@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Waters Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:11 PM gallstones@gro ups.com Subject: Re: gallstones I eat only organic veggies, have been doing colon cleanse for a year. I believe the problem lies in the fact, I have had hepatitis a few times & lived in the Middle East and may have acquired some parasites. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor ..ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Another friend just called with GB attacks in hospital the first thing I said to him was if you have a fever/yellow in the eyes it may be too late to save it---but if you can flush; change your diet and not have any other problems than you can keep it. Getting your liver enzymes numbers from blood work is one way to check if you are improving or just suffereing. If your numbers drop on the liver panel than you can continue onward with flushing. Eyes clear up and no fevers. I have been doing this for almost two years now but I tell you if I had the fevers along with raised alt/ast numbers I would not fool around and get it out asap!!! And I have to say digestive enzymes have been a HUGE HELP!!!!!!!!!! check out serrapeptase!!!! super enzyme > Some of you may remember my story. Having been hospitalised twice, first > > with pancreatitis and secondly with jaundice, due to gravel and sludge in > my gallbladder, I was sent for an MRCP, which I couldn't go through with - > it made me realise just how claustrophobic I am! I was told I'd be sent > for a telescopic inspection of my bile ducts and have been waiting for 2 > months for that. Today I got a letter from the surgeon telling me they've > decided to go ahead with the gallbladder removal and THEN do the telescopic > investigation, down to my pancreas and duodenum, and that I'm on the urgent > waiting list. > > > > I've been too scared after the very nasty time I had with the jaundice to > try any of the flushes and confess I've not been eating well - just pretty > low fat to avoid an attack. Recently I've been eating more fat without any > problems (hope I'm not speaking too soon!). > > > > I am not convinced that removing my gallbladder is the right way to go. > > I've not had an attack since June, after having had about 6 of varying > degrees over the previous 8 months. I'm also 20 stone and not happy about > being operated on. I'd prefer to put it off unless it's really really > essential. > > > > Does anyone have any advice for me?! > > > > Alison > > UK > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Hi all, What I have learnt from having gall stones is that we have to control our diets. I no longer have symptoms having changed my diet drastically over time. It took me at least 24 months to reach this point, now I eat lots of vegetables; sometimes I juice them using beets and dandelion and other green vegetables. (Beets are excellent for us with gall stones). I use a high quality fish oil; papayas, pineapples and sometimes a digestive enzyme and of course lecithin. If we are serious about reducing or eliminating symptoms we must change our diets to one that is more alkaline. My doctor now tells me that I do not have to do anything since I am not having pains etc. I have not tried flushing yet, but will get there eventually; frankly I do not like following the rigid guidelines used for flushing. Best of health to everyone, EVW -----Original Message----- From: tina83862@... gallstones Sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 2:45 PM Subject: Re: gallstones Another friend just called with GB attacks in hospital the first thing I said to him was if you have a fever/yellow in the eyes it may be too late to save it---but if you can flush; change your diet and not have any other problems than you can keep it. Getting your liver enzymes numbers from blood work is one way to check if you are improving or just suffereing. If your numbers drop on the liver panel than you can continue onward with flushing. Eyes clear up and no fevers. I have been doing this for almost two years now but I tell you if I had the fevers along with raised alt/ast numbers I would not fool around and get it out asap!!! And I have to say digestive enzymes have been a HUGE HELP!!!!!!!!!! check out serrapeptase!!!! super enzyme > Some of you may remember my story. Having been hospitalised twice, first > > with pancreatitis and secondly with jaundice, due to gravel and sludge in > my gallbladder, I was sent for an MRCP, which I couldn't go through with - > it made me realise just how claustrophobic I am! I was told I'd be sent > for a telescopic inspection of my bile ducts and have been waiting for 2 > months for that. Today I got a letter from the surgeon telling me they've > decided to go ahead with the gallbladder removal and THEN do the telescopic > investigation, down to my pancreas and duodenum, and that I'm on the urgent > waiting list. > > > > I've been too scared after the very nasty time I had with the jaundice to > try any of the flushes and confess I've not been eating well - just pretty > low fat to avoid an attack. Recently I've been eating more fat without any > problems (hope I'm not speaking too soon!). > > > > I am not convinced that removing my gallbladder is the right way to go. > > I've not had an attack since June, after having had about 6 of varying > degrees over the previous 8 months. I'm also 20 stone and not happy about > being operated on. I'd prefer to put it off unless it's really really > essential. > > > > Does anyone have any advice for me?! > > > > Alison > > UK > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On Behalf Of Traci First let me say that I do believe people should try and keep their gallbladders. However, I don't think it's always possible. If you are just having attacks from time to time and associated with certain foods, then I think these attacks can easily be handled with diet and cleansing. I haven't yet been able to work out what foods are causing the attacks so I don't know that this applies to me for sure. >>>>> I think what concerns me about your story is the pancreatitis. I mean has anyone here ever had pancreatitis? I've been told the pancreatitis was mild. My blood amylase was high (but not exceedingly high) on the first night I was in hospital and had lowered by the following day. >>>>> I know that is not something to play around with, and this can be caused by gallstones. Jaundice can also be caused by gallstones. The assumption has been that some dislodged sludge and gravel and/or stone created the pancreatitis on my first hospitalisation and the jaundice on the 2nd. >>>>> In my case I tried to keep my gallbladder for 2 years, I know that's not very long and I would've tried for many years to come. However, my liver was failing - I was completely jaundiced. The ducts to my liver were blocked. My pancreas was not doing well either, I couldn't maintain my blood sugar levels. In cases where your other organs are suffering - should we just continue to let them fail for the sake of keeping our gallbladder? My opinion is we should not let everything else fail just to save our gallbladder. I agree! I think the main thrust of this group is support for people like me in a position where it might just not be essential to have the gallbladder removed. If only we could get the medical profession to think outside the box! >>>>>[snip] I would be curious to know why you got pancreatitis and also why you were jaundiced? See above. >>>>> Have those things now cleared? Well, yes. This is why I'm confused about why they want to do an investigation for a stone in my bile duct after 5 months - surely if I still had a stone there, I'd be having attacks whenever I eat fat? Anyone, do please comment on this because I could do with the back-up! >>>>> I'm not saying remove your gallbladder - I'm just wondering have these things now cleared and do you know why those things happened to you? As I say, I'm assuming I had pancreatitis and jaundice due to a blockage in the bile duct though this was never spelled out to me. Thus my move to have a proper conversation with the surgeon in the vague and possibly vain hope that he will take me seriously! >>>>> I would not want to remove the gb for the sake of investigating the other organs, is that the reason they want to do it? No, the initial diagnosis was for the need for removal of my gallbladder, period. I failed to tolerate going into the MRI scanner so I couldn't have an MRCP. Telescopic examination was next on the cards but, between them, the doctor who would do the examination and the surgeon have decided to remove the gallbladder (presumably because it's their opinion it must come out anyway) and do an X ray of my bile duct at the same time. If there are any stones present they'll then decide how to deal with them and a subsequent telescopic examination might be necessary (I've been told by my GP that the telescopic exam can sometimes move the stone along into the duodenum and out of the body). Boy do I not want to have to fight with the surgeon about all this... I just KNOW he'll have a comment to make on how I've not lost any weight in 5 months. Alison -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/542 - Release Date: 20/11/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Hey everyone, Had about 5 severe abdominal pain attacks after eating high protien meals in the last 6 months. Ultrasound shows thickened GB wall with several stones, the largest 3.2cm in the bile duct opening. Ordered " GallCleanse " from company named Boineutrix. It is my 7th day on the " dissolve phase " , and have had abdominal pain 3 days this week and have not eaten any meat or dense protein. Supposed to supplement with the " cleanse phase " starting tomorrow but am worried because I'm in the ultra deepwater of the Gulf of Mexico " . The helicopter flight is at least 2hrs. to get here and 2hrs back in. Flight is 15,000.00 (double that for Medi-Vac " flight) which of corse BP Exploration will pay. Am very anxious about cleanse/flush phase. Anyone had any experience with this product from Bioneutrix. Please let me know. Thanks, . --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Unburdening Your Liver: An imperative for good health and longevity A critical first step in an effective liver cleansing program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adapted from the 3-part audiocassette lecture by D. Young, " JuvaCleanse Your Liver for Better Physical, Emotional & Spiritual Health " (Training Tapes #50, 51 & 52 © Copyright 2003 Essential Science Publishing). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The liver: key to good health or the root of all disease In this report: a.. The liver: key to good health or the root of all disease b.. Longevity and the liver c.. Toxic Life-style d.. Critical need to unburden the liver e.. Supplements and the liver f.. Exercise and the liver Related articles: a.. Symptoms of liver overload b.. The liver's ability to rejuvenate c.. A word about liver spots You may have heard the quote by Dr. Jensen, " Death begins in the colon. " It's a valid statement, as far as it goes. If you have a clogged and toxic colon, your health will be compromised. However, the health of the liver is far more critical to your overall well-being than that of the colon. Based upon Young's studies of people groups known for their longevity, it's clear that a long life depends much more upon the life and health of your liver. Why is that? While the colon plays a key role in the digestion and absorption of the things we eat, as well as the elimination of wastes, the liver is responsible for converting those nutrients into the forms needed by the body, as well as filtering out toxins and chemically converting them so they may be eliminated safely. The liver carries out over 5,000 such biochemical functions every day, affecting every cell in the body. If it is not able to do that effectively, because of toxic overload, you get into serious trouble. (See Symptoms of liver overload.) But, the fats and bile within the liver can easily become over-saturated with oil-soluble toxins, synthetic chemicals and heavy metals. Besides this, negative emotions or psychological trauma can change the chemistry of the liver, creating a toxic environment. And as these toxins build up, the liver becomes overloaded and can't function properly. It isn't hard to see that, as Young asserts, the liver is at the root of every disease on earth. Longevity and the liver Over the years, Young has traveled around the world, studying people groups known for their longevity. Of these, three groups stand out: a.. the Azerbaijanis in the Talish Mountains, who commonly live to be 140 years; b.. the Hunzakut people of Northern Pakistan, who routinely live past 120 years; and c.. the Ningxia people of China, who live to be over 120. As interviewed these people, his team of doctors would perform simple tests of their heart and blood pressure, hearing and vision. They found that it was common for people who were 130-140 years old to have normal blood pressure and a resting pulse rate in the 60's - the resting pulse rate of a very healthy, middle-aged person. And, out of the hundreds of people he met in the Talish Mountains of Azerbaijan, there was only one person who wore glasses to read the newspaper. And he was over a hundred years of age. He never found a single person who had liver spots. No one had complaints of urinary or digestive problems (constipation or diarrhea) or hormonal problems - all of the things we see in America, even among young adults. noted that hormonal problems among these people were difficult to evaluate, because most of them didn't want to talk about their sex life. Only one man really expressed his feelings about it, and he was 128. He was frustrated because his sexual activity was diminishing - and that was still four times a week. (In validation of his claim: His wife turned very red-faced about this conversation; but she didn't contradict him.) asked this man if he thought an active sex life was important for longevity, and he said, " Absolutely! Why do you think I'm concerned? " He also found that women in these people groups didn't go through menopause until their 70's or 80's. One woman was 82 when she had her last child; another was 73. Most were still bearing children until their mid- to late-sixties. What's the secret to their incredible longevity? They have a life-style in which they don't overburden their livers. Their diets are: a.. Low in calories, b.. Low in glycemic index, c.. High in antioxidants, d.. High in fiber, e.. Rich in fermented foods like yogurt and fermented cabbage, which are loaded with enzymes and probiotics. Another important point: They fast on a regular basis. For some of them, it was their practice to fast for 30 days each year. They unburdened their livers, allowing them to regenerate. Our toxic life-style In stark contrast to this, the American life-style is one of overloading the liver. We eat, as says, like hogs at a trough. We eat dead, enzyme-depleted foods. We eat processed, nutrient-deficient foods. We eat foods that plug the liver. We eat foods that are loaded with chemical additives, placing an even greater burden on the liver. Add to that the burden of our chemical-laden shampoos and soaps and toothpastes, and all the poisons in our water and in the air that we breathe that attach to our skin and are absorbed through the dermal shield into our blood streams and are being deposited in our livers. We overload our livers with our gluttony, tax our livers with the poisons in our environment, and plug them with poor life-style choices; and then we wonder why they don't function. No wonder we can't remember where we left our car keys. The critical need to unburden the liver A word of caution about supplementation: It's quite easy to overload the liver with supplements, especially drug store vitamins, but even with " natural " supplements consisting of isolated nutrients. You can be on even a great nutrition program, but if you are overburdening the liver, you are creating a toxic environment in your body. Once that toxic environment is created, it will affect every gland and organ in your body, from the brain to the prostate or ovaries. So, it's critically important to pay attention to your body, to listen for its signals of overload, and to know when to back off. It's also a good practice to rest your system every week by taking a day or two off from your nutritional program. For our health and longevity, we really need to be serious about cleansing. We need to learn to unburden our livers. This is so critical. If we do this, our livers will rejuvenate themselves. They will return to normal function, and free us from many of the health problems plaguing us today. To do this, the first step, of course, is to stop eating a junk diet. We need to eat reasonable amounts of healthy foods that a.. nourish the liver, and b.. don't plug the liver. We also need to be reasonable about our supplementation. In the same way we can overload our livers with good food, we can overload them with excessive supplementation. And don't forget the water. Adequate water is so critical for flushing the toxins out of the body. However, it is imperative that we drink pure water. That means distilled (and run through a carbon filter) or reverse osmosis. The fluoride and chlorine in our water pose serious threats to our health (including the symptoms of arthritis or Fibromyalgia), so it is critical to have some way to purify our water. Exercise and the liver It's important to remember that, while exercise is very important for your overall health, overdoing it places a strain on your liver and immune system. Several recent studies have found no benefit in very strenuous exercise compared to regular moderate exercise; so take it easy on yourself. Press your limits from time-to-time, but don't make it a daily affair. In addition to this, it's important to eliminate as much of the chemical toxicity from our environment as possible. In doing this, we must avoid: a.. commercial antiperspirant-deodorants, b.. toothpastes and mouthwashes, c.. shampoos and conditioners, and d.. hand lotions and cosmetics. Even those sold in health food stores often contain toxic chemicals. And we must not forget a.. household products, b.. lawn and garden chemicals, and c.. jogging along busy roadways. Safer alternatives must be found. And we must never forget the importance of fasting. Once a week, do a 24-hour, noon-to-noon fast. In addition to this, you might try longer fasts. Young and his wife do a fast of 21-30 days every year, as well as several short-term fasts of a week to ten days. The whole point of all of this is simply to unburden the liver and give it a chance to rejuvenate. And now that we've dealt with unburdening the liver, it's time to look at how we can actively cleanse the liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 The critical need to unburden the liver A word of caution about supplementation: It's quite easy to overload the liver with supplements, especially drug store vitamins, but even with " natural " supplements consisting of isolated nutrients. You can be on even a great nutrition program, but if you are overburdening the liver, you are creating a toxic environment in your body. Once that toxic environment is created, it will affect every gland and organ in your body, from the brain to the prostate or ovaries. So, it's critically important to pay attention to your body, to listen for its signals of overload, and to know when to back off. It's also a good practice to rest your system every week by taking a day or two off from your nutritional program. For our health and longevity, we really need to be serious about cleansing. We need to learn to unburden our livers. This is so critical. If we do this, our livers will rejuvenate themselves. They will return to normal function, and free us from many of the health problems plaguing us today. To do this, the first step, of course, is to stop eating a junk diet. We need to eat reasonable amounts of healthy foods that a.. nourish the liver, and b.. don't plug the liver. We also need to be reasonable about our supplementation. In the same way we can overload our livers with good food, we can overload them with excessive supplementation. And don't forget the water. Adequate water is so critical for flushing the toxins out of the body. However, it is imperative that we drink pure water. That means distilled (and run through a carbon filter) or reverse osmosis. The fluoride and chlorine in our water pose serious threats to our health (including the symptoms of arthritis or Fibromyalgia), so it is critical to have some way to purify our water. Exercise and the liver It's important to remember that, while exercise is very important for your overall health, overdoing it places a strain on your liver and immune system. Several recent studies have found no benefit in very strenuous exercise compared to regular moderate exercise; so take it easy on yourself. Press your limits from time-to-time, but don't make it a daily affair. In addition to this, it's important to eliminate as much of the chemical toxicity from our environment as possible. In doing this, we must avoid: a.. commercial antiperspirant-deodorants, b.. toothpastes and mouthwashes, c.. shampoos and conditioners, and d.. hand lotions and cosmetics. Even those sold in health food stores often contain toxic chemicals. And we must not forget a.. household products, b.. lawn and garden chemicals, and c.. jogging along busy roadways. Safer alternatives must be found. And we must never forget the importance of fasting. Once a week, do a 24-hour, noon-to-noon fast. In addition to this, you might try longer fasts. Young and his wife do a fast of 21-30 days every year, as well as several short-term fasts of a week to ten days. The whole point of all of this is simply to unburden the liver and give it a chance to rejuvenate. And now that we've dealt with unburdening the liver, it's time to look at how we can actively cleanse the liver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 She's had a lot of medical tests and that's what her doctor told her. She's about to have that therapy where they blast the stone. Amber Amber - how do you correlate your friend having kidney stones and taking calcium? Or is an assumption? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Any thing can cause anything but as a very solid rule, not. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: minixx20<mailto:minnialharthy@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:58 AM Subject: gallstones hi ya friends, just an urgent query,does gallstones cause missed periods??? thanks mini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Ha, ha, ha, can't resist. Probably not, but being pregnant can. Amber hi ya friends, just an urgent query,does gallstones cause missed periods??? thanks mini . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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