Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 this guy is not a doctor and I don't trust him. Gracia > > A doctor sent me this regarding testing and what iodoral does for > progesterone/estrogen - > > " Clarification re Iodoral & P, just so no confusion. > > I've been saying I find Iodoral raises P but not > necessarily from large doses, unless someone > considers all Iodoral high dose (which would be > the conventional view). > > Three representative examples. > > 1.) Woman age 40. High P and high suffering at > period on Iodoral @ 1/day. Periods had been > smooth for years after beginning low dose P cream. > > Doing well at half an iodoral/day. > > 2.) Woman age 54. High P, extended monthly > cycle and lots of suffering on Iodoral @ 2/day. > > Doing well and perfect P level on Iodoral 1/day. > > 3.) Woman age 84. > Improved on Iodoral @ 1/day. P normalized after > years of too low - too high yo-yo pattern. > > Even better on Iodoral @ 2/day. P remained normal. > > Great on Iodoral @ 3/ day. P normal. Hyper-thyroid > normalized. > > Crashed on Iodoral @ 4/day. P went too high. > Thyroid went too low. Could barely function. > > Resumed Iodoral @ 3/day. P and thyroid normalized > after years of trouble w/ each. All menopause > hormones normal w/o hormone supplementation - > at age 84. > ____ > > So successful Iodoral doses were 1/2, 1 & 3 per day. > > All got very severe problems exceeding these amounts. > > In other words, some in trouble at dose as low > as one. Others only in trouble at dose of 4/day. > > There is no easy way to predict who will respond > in what way. > > So I go up slowly. Start at 1/2. Go up slowly by > 1/2 or 1 per step. > > Test thyroid by serum & saliva at each step. > > Test male/female hormones by saliva at each step. > > I will not continue with a dose that suppresses thyroid > or pushes P too high or makes a person feel worse. > > With everyone there seems to be a point where it > all comes together: patient feels good and the > thyroid and hormone scores are correct. > > But there is no simple Iodoral formula to find that. > Optimal Iodoral dose seems to vary considerably. > > Most common problem when that optimal dose > is exceeded: low thyroid & /or high progesterone. > > I note subjective responses and work to keep the > person happy & well. But I do Not conclude high P > or low P based on how they feel. I determine the P > level by objective testing. > > Too many report Iodoral does this or that to their > E or P. These comments tend to be wrong and > unfounded since so many misunderstand where > their actual levels are when they feel this or that. > I confirm by saliva testing. > > Hope that helps. " > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.win\ dowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 > > I note subjective responses and work to keep the > > person happy & well. But I do Not conclude high P > > or low P based on how they feel. I determine the P > > level by objective testing. So whoever he is, he doesn't base his recommendations on how a person feels, but soley on subjective test results. Ok, going by that criteria alone, it would be ok for him to go by my test results (which are surely above " normal " ranges in progesterone now) and lower my dosage - completely ignoring " how I feel " . " How I feel " defined as being that my body will hemorrhage at any dosage less than 240 mg. Progesterone per day. Let alone all the nasty irritability, insomnia, carb cravings, cramping, blood clots, etc. that also occur at less than 240 mg. per day. By his criteria, it would be much better that I end up in Emergency and having D & C's and blood transfusions, and be a total b**ch while I'm at it, as long as those Progesterone test results are back in " normal " range! Whoever this guy is, I'd love to hire him purely for the pleasure of firing him. --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > this guy is not a doctor and I don't trust him. > Gracia > > > > > A doctor sent me this regarding testing and what > iodoral does for > > progesterone/estrogen - > > > > " Clarification re Iodoral & P, just so no > confusion. > > > > I've been saying I find Iodoral raises P but not > > necessarily from large doses, unless someone > > considers all Iodoral high dose (which would be > > the conventional view). > > > > Three representative examples. > > > > 1.) Woman age 40. High P and high suffering at > > period on Iodoral @ 1/day. Periods had been > > smooth for years after beginning low dose P cream. > > > > Doing well at half an iodoral/day. > > > > 2.) Woman age 54. High P, extended monthly > > cycle and lots of suffering on Iodoral @ 2/day. > > > > Doing well and perfect P level on Iodoral 1/day. > > > > 3.) Woman age 84. > > Improved on Iodoral @ 1/day. P normalized after > > years of too low - too high yo-yo pattern. > > > > Even better on Iodoral @ 2/day. P remained normal. > > > > Great on Iodoral @ 3/ day. P normal. Hyper-thyroid > > normalized. > > > > Crashed on Iodoral @ 4/day. P went too high. > > Thyroid went too low. Could barely function. > > > > Resumed Iodoral @ 3/day. P and thyroid normalized > > after years of trouble w/ each. All menopause > > hormones normal w/o hormone supplementation - > > at age 84. > > ____ > > > > So successful Iodoral doses were 1/2, 1 & 3 per > day. > > > > All got very severe problems exceeding these > amounts. > > > > In other words, some in trouble at dose as low > > as one. Others only in trouble at dose of 4/day. > > > > There is no easy way to predict who will respond > > in what way. > > > > So I go up slowly. Start at 1/2. Go up slowly by > > 1/2 or 1 per step. > > > > Test thyroid by serum & saliva at each step. > > > > Test male/female hormones by saliva at each step. > > > > I will not continue with a dose that suppresses > thyroid > > or pushes P too high or makes a person feel worse. > > > > With everyone there seems to be a point where it > > all comes together: patient feels good and the > > thyroid and hormone scores are correct. > > > > But there is no simple Iodoral formula to find > that. > > Optimal Iodoral dose seems to vary considerably. > > > > Most common problem when that optimal dose > > is exceeded: low thyroid & /or high progesterone. > > > > I note subjective responses and work to keep the > > person happy & well. But I do Not conclude high P > > or low P based on how they feel. I determine the P > > level by objective testing. > > > > Too many report Iodoral does this or that to their > > E or P. These comments tend to be wrong and > > unfounded since so many misunderstand where > > their actual levels are when they feel this or > that. > > I confirm by saliva testing. > > > > Hope that helps. " > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. > Get a free 90-day trial! > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.win\ dowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > > > > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 >From: JD <ybr1959@...> > > > I note subjective responses and work to keep the > > > person happy & well. But I do Not conclude high P > > > or low P based on how they feel. I determine the P > > > level by objective testing. > > >So whoever he is, he doesn't base his recommendations >on how a person feels, but soley on subjective test >results. Actually, he bases recommendation on OBjective tests. He also notes SUbjective responses (feelings). Whether he will ever allow someone to go high, I can't say. However, I can say that in his testing Dr. Lee mentioned that it wasn't unusual to find that people didn't do too well on high levels of progesterone. So, it may be that high Progesterone levels create problems for some people. I was thinking Lee said the symptoms were similar to if they didn't take it at all, but I could be wrong about that. As for being willing to hire him just so you can fire him I understand. But, you do know, that's how 95% of doctors are. So, it's not strange or unusual for a doctor to want to stay in range. Since he balances other hormones, it's also possible he knows what he's doing well enough to fix problems like you're referring to. However, I've talked to no patients of the doctor, so I have no success stories. I only posted the information because it could be relevant and true. Which is why I asked the question. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Be seen and heard with Windows Live Messenger and Microsoft LifeCams http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.mic\ rosoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/default.mspx?locale=en-us & source=hmtagl\ ine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 >From: " Gracia " <circe@...> > >this guy is not a doctor and I don't trust him. >Gracia You do realize the only thing he really said was that iodine could affect levels of progesterone, and that testing could be relevant? Kind of hard to develop distrust over that. Unless I'm missing something. Were Peat and Lee who started the push for bioidentical progesterone, crackpots because they suggested testing? Is Brownstein the only credible source for iodine information? Does everyone on this board hate testing so much that even suggesting it is bad? Unless someone gets a saliva test for progesterone before and after iodine treatment, I don't think they can really say if it's true or not. Blood testing was not considered accurate for progesterone by Lee and others, at least not when one is supplementing progesterone. Skipper > > > > > A doctor sent me this regarding testing and what iodoral does for > > progesterone/estrogen - > > > > " Clarification re Iodoral & P, just so no confusion. > > > > I've been saying I find Iodoral raises P but not > > necessarily from large doses, unless someone > > considers all Iodoral high dose (which would be > > the conventional view). > > > > Three representative examples. > > > > 1.) Woman age 40. High P and high suffering at > > period on Iodoral @ 1/day. Periods had been > > smooth for years after beginning low dose P cream. > > > > Doing well at half an iodoral/day. > > > > 2.) Woman age 54. High P, extended monthly > > cycle and lots of suffering on Iodoral @ 2/day. > > > > Doing well and perfect P level on Iodoral 1/day. > > > > 3.) Woman age 84. > > Improved on Iodoral @ 1/day. P normalized after > > years of too low - too high yo-yo pattern. > > > > Even better on Iodoral @ 2/day. P remained normal. > > > > Great on Iodoral @ 3/ day. P normal. Hyper-thyroid > > normalized. > > > > Crashed on Iodoral @ 4/day. P went too high. > > Thyroid went too low. Could barely function. > > > > Resumed Iodoral @ 3/day. P and thyroid normalized > > after years of trouble w/ each. All menopause > > hormones normal w/o hormone supplementation - > > at age 84. > > ____ > > > > So successful Iodoral doses were 1/2, 1 & 3 per day. > > > > All got very severe problems exceeding these amounts. > > > > In other words, some in trouble at dose as low > > as one. Others only in trouble at dose of 4/day. > > > > There is no easy way to predict who will respond > > in what way. > > > > So I go up slowly. Start at 1/2. Go up slowly by > > 1/2 or 1 per step. > > > > Test thyroid by serum & saliva at each step. > > > > Test male/female hormones by saliva at each step. > > > > I will not continue with a dose that suppresses thyroid > > or pushes P too high or makes a person feel worse. > > > > With everyone there seems to be a point where it > > all comes together: patient feels good and the > > thyroid and hormone scores are correct. > > > > But there is no simple Iodoral formula to find that. > > Optimal Iodoral dose seems to vary considerably. > > > > Most common problem when that optimal dose > > is exceeded: low thyroid & /or high progesterone. > > > > I note subjective responses and work to keep the > > person happy & well. But I do Not conclude high P > > or low P based on how they feel. I determine the P > > level by objective testing. > > > > Too many report Iodoral does this or that to their > > E or P. These comments tend to be wrong and > > unfounded since so many misunderstand where > > their actual levels are when they feel this or that. > > I confirm by saliva testing. > > > > Hope that helps. " > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day >trial! > > >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.wi\ ndowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > > > > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Nope, testing is great! It gives me a baseline knowledge from which to work, keeps track of changes, etc. I use testing TOGETHER with my own symptoms, my and other's research, and also factor in other people's experiences as well if they apply and could shed light. All of those are necessary imo, and none should be used to the exclusion of the others, but ALL factors together are what is needed for successful treatment imo. --- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote: > Does everyone on this board hate testing so much > that even suggesting it is > bad? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Wow, Jane, interesting experience. That's not a typo? You used only 75 MICROgrams? Just a guess from following the women who are registered in our Iodine Investigation project http://breastcancerchoices.org/IodineInvestigation.html. Maybe the iodine detoxed your fluid-filled breasts, enhanced the progesterone and then stopping caused progesterone withdrawal causing breakthrough bleeding. Whatever happened, it sure sounds like you had a deficiency or your breast architecture would not have changed. Lynne In a message dated 10/9/2006 12:29:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, classicalwriter@... writes: Specifically to iodine and progesterone: I took, for the first time orally, ever, 75 micrograms of iodine 4 days ago. I was Zippy the Pinhead the whole day. Next day, i was tired, the next exhausted. I then stopped the iodine until I know more about how I should co-supplement it. today, I'm almost back to normal. BUT, after day one, I began break-through bleeding, something I never do, which is a sign of lowered progesterone. Also, in those three days, my breasts (hmm, this is weird to talk about) shrunk and softened. Pretty cool. Too bad I had to stop. Any clues? jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Is this "Pat" person on this list? Does he know that his comments on another list are being discussed here? Perhaps this discussion should be moved out of Iodine and onto the list where Pat makes his posts........ mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > don't want to beat a dead horse here, but I know this guy Pat very well >from another board and I find his positions problematic. Especially that >he won't use more than 3 tabs Iodoral/day.It's not really my intention to defend him. However, as you pointed out, he's vague as to who or what he really is. By saying he has "patients" he's almost saying he's a doctor, yet he won't make the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 >From: foxhillers@... >Is this " Pat " person on this list? No. > >Does he know that his comments on another list are being discussed here? Yes. >Perhaps this discussion should be moved out of Iodine and onto the list >where Pat makes his posts........ They were relevant. They've been discussed. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Add fun gadgets and colorful themes to express yourself on Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get\ ..live.com/spaces/features Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Hi , I’ve been spending some time reading your files and finding out all kinds of good stuff. Thank you for all the information. I do have a question that I haven’t found the answer for yet so I’ll take a short cut and ask you…..:-). I have been taking progesterone for all the signs of menopause for a couple years now. Since I’ve started taking Iodoral in the last couple weeks I’ve noticed I’m having a few hot flashes at night again. Does this mean that I’m not needing as much progesterone now because the Iodoral is meeting that need? Will I be able to stop progesterone completely once I get completely saturated with the iodine in three months? Sure would be nice. Joni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Iodine enhances the sensitivity of all hormone receptors. So it may be the case that you need less or you may need more. I had to play with my dose. Progesterone does build up in the tissues and there has to be a good balance of progesterone to estrogen. That's about the best I can explain. Steph Iodoral and progesterone Hi , I’ve been spending some time reading your files and finding out all kinds of good stuff. Thank you for all the information. I do have a question that I haven’t found the answer for yet so I’ll take a short cut and ask you…..:-). I have been taking progesterone for all the signs of menopause for a couple years now. Since I’ve started taking Iodoral in the last couple weeks I’ve noticed I’m having a few hot flashes at night again. Does this mean that I’m not needing as much progesterone now because the Iodoral is meeting that need? Will I be able to stop progesterone completely once I get completely saturated with the iodine in three months? Sure would be nice. Joni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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