Blood pressure

[Guest guest]

I keep a spreadsheet of my blood pressure, pulse and weight. For

about two years, I updated it on a weekly basis, but now only once per

month. During this time my Systolic pressure was mainly in the range

of 116-120, Diastolic 79-85, and pulse 59-75.

The trends that are shown by the charts are: Pulse has consistenlty

decreased, probably as a result of regular exercise and weight loss.

It is now normally under 60. The difference between the Systolic and

Diastolic pressure has ranged from 20 to 40 with an average of 30,

whereas the ratio of Diastolic to Systolic has been in the range of

0.7 to 0.8 and averaging 0.75 with a downward trend.

One physical change that I have noticed as my muscles have become

stronger, is that my vascularization has become more externalized (the

veins pop-out right under the skin). It is possible that with this

modified configuration, the heart does not need to pump as hard as

when the veins were covered up with a layer of fat, leading to the

observed changes.

Tony

> > BP (was: : Salt consumption)There is also a third metric " pulse

> pressure "

> > which is the difference between the two. 120/80 is considered

> > normal, with a 40 pulse pressure. I have no idea how healthy

normal

> is. I

> > suspect normal for

> > energy restricted individuals may be lower. All three numbers

> apparently

> > represent different concerns.

> >

> > My personal experience after losing much weight is that my BP fell

> > considerably and my pulse rose slightly

> > perhaps related? I just measured 103/73 p58 . This is not a low

> measurement

> > for me but I don't monitor

> > this closely since it dropped so far below supposedly normal

> targets.

> >

> > JR

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Francesca

> Skelton

> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:06 AM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] BP (was: : Salt consumption)

> >

> >

> > Isn't your diastolic BP number on the high side? The cutoff

> point is

> > around 90. My BP is not terribly low either but my diastolic

> number is very

> > low. (Mine runs anywhere from 125/70 to 110/62 depending on time

> of day -

> > seems to be much lower at night). OTOH systolic pressure is more

> important

> > as one gets older.

> >

> > Although my BP is not as low as many Cronies, I'm satisfied

that

> I don't

> > need meds. Out of an original family of 5 I'm the only one who

> didn't get

> > very high BP (so far).

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>Amber,

Did you get the Blood Pressure issue by Dr. Bruce West. What were his

recommendations to lower blood pressure? that is, if it is not too detailed. Is

there one supplement or food that stands out? Thanks, Eleanor>

I have many, many issues pertaining to blood pressure, so I'll go through them

and just type some highlights here. Comments from Dr. Bruce West:

By simply reducing salt and exercising, at least a third of Americans over age

60 can get off their blood pressure drugs. Stop eating processed foods (this

will reduce your salt by 50% or more). Use only Celtic Sea Salt. (I buy sea

salt from a health food store).

Most drugs only mask symptoms and create problems. They haven't saved lives

because they never cured high BP. BP drugs can diminish brain function in older

adults. They can induce brain and memory problems.

There is no evidence that high BP drugs prevent heart disease, strokes, or

deaths.

Doctors don't have any idea how to advise their patients who want to quit

calcium channel blockers (I'm on that due to Tachycardia) due to side effects

(like congestive heart failure).

After reading through many of his newsletters, basically he is saying to

exercise and use sea salt. I looked through information I have from M.

Lark, M.D. and this is what she says:

Eat a healthy diet that is loaded with fiber, fresh vegetables and fruits,

cold-water fish, walnuts and ground flax. Cook with onions, garlic, olive or

canola oil instead of salt and butter. Avoid red meat and dairy products. Take

digestive aides such as bromelain. Walk briskly at least 20 minutes, three

times a week. Reduce stress.

Ok, from what these two people say, basically it's diet and exercise and no Rx

drugs. I've read elsewhere that extra magnesium also helps.

Amber

[Guest guest]

I have to beg to differ with you about calcium and magnesium. Magi is much more

important. Most people get too much cal and then end up with arthritis. Most

vit/min supplements have the wrong combination. Some up-to-date companies are

finally putting more magi than cal in their supplements.

Amber

Amber,

Thanks so much. I also use the RESPERATE which helps a lot, but it has to be

used regularly. On salt, I personally cannot handle either regular or Celtic Sea

Salt. I use Kelp. Other than that, I agree with West and Lark. Calcium is

important as is magnesium.

.

[Guest guest]

Amber - how do you correlate your friend having kidney stones and taking

calcium? Or is an assumption?

Amber <amber@...> wrote: I

also take magnesium twice a day in addition to my multi. I have a friend who

now has kidney stones from taking TOO much calcium.

Amber

Amber,

I do not think we differ at all. I take Miraculous Magnesium twice a day,

that is addition to my multi. I recognize the importance of magnesium to

relaxing the arteries etc.

Eleanor

.

[Guest guest]

Amber,

Does Standard Process have a multi? I really like the Beta Foods. Thanks,

Eleanor

-----Original Message-----

From: amber@...

gallstones

Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 6:23 PM

Subject: Re: Blood pressure

I also take magnesium twice a day in addition to my multi. I have a friend

who now has kidney stones from taking TOO much calcium.

Amber

Amber,

I do not think we differ at all. I take Miraculous Magnesium twice a day, that

is addition to my multi. I recognize the importance of magnesium to relaxing the

arteries etc.

Eleanor

.

[Guest guest]

If you are taking 1,000 mg. cal daily, not including what you get in your food,

that's probably too much. We need at least as much magnesium as calcium if not

more. Take mag to bowel tolerance (you'll know it when you reach it) and then

back down on that dose a little. This is gleaned from everything I've read

about this subject.

Amber

I take Country Life (4 caps/day) give me Calicum 1000 mg-Magnesium 500 mg with

Vit D 400 IU Complex in addition to Vit D-3 2000 mg. So my question to you is

how much Magnesium does one need

.

[Guest guest]

I love Standard Process Products in general - it good to know that other

people appreciate them as much as I do - however, the Catalyn is IMO a poor

Multi Vit -I've tried it and just didn't feel I got anything from it - I

like the food based, One Daily, without iron from Mega Foods - Ralph

_____

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Amber

Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:10 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Blood pressure

Yes, it's called Catalyn. Minerals are separate. Organic Minerals or

Min-Tran.

Amber,

Does Standard Process have a multi? I really like the Beta Foods. Thanks,

Eleanor

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[Guest guest]

That's exactly what I meant by take it to bowel tolerance and then back down on

that dosage.

Amber

I understand from my research that we can take quite a bit of magenesium. If

we get diarrhoea then cut down the dosage.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ms. Warner,

I'm sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Yes I buy the dried daneline

tea-I purchase it from a local vendor or Naturpathic College Formulary a large

bag for $6. I am going to read up on the magnesium connection together with

calicum. Does anyone know for sure since we don't do research in this field of

medicine. My primary is going to see if I can see a ND whose in the office of a

MD they can bill certain insurances because of this practice. I hope they will

see me. My blood pressure is high. I do have problems with side effects of

Magnesium as you mentioned. Anyway, I hope this helps, have a great day.

Sabina~

Msewarner@... wrote:

I read that Magnesium needs to be taken separately from calcium, so if

you have a cal/mag supplement, it might help to take magnesium by itself a

couple of hours afterwards. Google Miraculous Magnesium. I first got it from my

doctor (an MD who is also alternative). You should also google magnesium and

read up the literature. I understand from my research that we can take quite a

bit of magenesium. If we get diarrhoea then cut down the dosage.

Did you say that you drink 2 tablespoons of dandelion tea? How does that work?

Do you boil the tea from fresh dandelions or do you drink a tincture? Dandelion

is great for the liver too.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----

From: sabinavega1@...

gallstones

Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: Blood pressure

Hi

I thought your comments were interesting-the relaxing of the arteries-as it does

make sense that as we age the arteries do become hardened so the " relaxation "

idea seems feasible. I take Country Life (4 caps/day) give me Calicum 1000

mg-Magnesium 500 mg with Vit D 400 IU Complex in addition to Vit D-3 2000 mg. So

my question to you is how much Magnesium does one need as a thearputic dose to

effect blood pressure adequately-I am pressed for answers myself. Thanks again

for posting. Where does one get Miraculous Magnesium. As a side note: I drink 2

tbls. ofdandeline tea/day to counteract fluid retention and no salt in my diet.

Msewarner@... wrote:

Amber,

I do not think we differ at all. I take Miraculous Magnesium twice a day, that

is addition to my multi. I recognize the importance of magnesium to relaxing the

arteries etc.

Eleanor

-----Original Message-----

From: amber@...

gallstones

Sent: Sun, 6 May 2007 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: Blood pressure

I have to beg to differ with you about calcium and magnesium. Magi is much more

important. Most people get too much cal and then end up with arthritis. Most

vit/min supplements have the wrong combination. Some up-to-date companies are

finally putting more magi than cal in their supplements.

Amber

Amber,

Thanks so much. I also use the RESPERATE which helps a lot, but it has to be

used regularly. On salt, I personally cannot handle either regular or Celtic Sea

Salt. I use Kelp. Other than that, I agree with West and Lark. Calcium is

important as is magnesium.

..

[Guest guest]

Hi Ms. Warner,

I'm sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Yes I buy the dried daneline

tea-I purchase it from a local vendor or Naturpathic College Formulary a large

bag for $6. I am going to read up on the magnesium connection together with

calicum. Does anyone know for sure since we don't do research in this field of

medicine. My primary is going to see if I can see a ND whose in the office of a

MD they can bill certain insurances because of this practice. I hope they will

see me. My blood pressure is high. I do have problems with side effects of

Magnesium as you mentioned. Anyway, I hope this helps, have a great day.

Sabina~

Msewarner@... wrote:

I read that Magnesium needs to be taken separately from calcium, so if

you have a cal/mag supplement, it might help to take magnesium by itself a

couple of hours afterwards. Google Miraculous Magnesium. I first got it from my

doctor (an MD who is also alternative). You should also google magnesium and

read up the literature. I understand from my research that we can take quite a

bit of magenesium. If we get diarrhoea then cut down the dosage.

Did you say that you drink 2 tablespoons of dandelion tea? How does that work?

Do you boil the tea from fresh dandelions or do you drink a tincture? Dandelion

is great for the liver too.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----

From: sabinavega1@...

gallstones

Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: Blood pressure

Hi

I thought your comments were interesting-the relaxing of the arteries-as it does

make sense that as we age the arteries do become hardened so the " relaxation "

idea seems feasible. I take Country Life (4 caps/day) give me Calicum 1000

mg-Magnesium 500 mg with Vit D 400 IU Complex in addition to Vit D-3 2000 mg. So

my question to you is how much Magnesium does one need as a thearputic dose to

effect blood pressure adequately-I am pressed for answers myself. Thanks again

for posting. Where does one get Miraculous Magnesium. As a side note: I drink 2

tbls. ofdandeline tea/day to counteract fluid retention and no salt in my diet.

Msewarner@... wrote:

Amber,

I do not think we differ at all. I take Miraculous Magnesium twice a day, that

is addition to my multi. I recognize the importance of magnesium to relaxing the

arteries etc.

Eleanor

-----Original Message-----

From: amber@...

gallstones

Sent: Sun, 6 May 2007 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: Blood pressure

I have to beg to differ with you about calcium and magnesium. Magi is much more

important. Most people get too much cal and then end up with arthritis. Most

vit/min supplements have the wrong combination. Some up-to-date companies are

finally putting more magi than cal in their supplements.

Amber

Amber,

Thanks so much. I also use the RESPERATE which helps a lot, but it has to be

used regularly. On salt, I personally cannot handle either regular or Celtic Sea

Salt. I use Kelp. Other than that, I agree with West and Lark. Calcium is

important as is magnesium.

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