Re: Maybe a Dumb Question...

[Guest guest]

I have completed 12 flushes this year and I have no more stones. If the

" stones " were actually created by the olive oil as some idiots suggest, then I

should still have stones. Olive oil wil only solidify at way below body

temperature. I used to have sore feet, heartburn, insomnia, fatigue, digestive

disorders, alternate diarrhea/constipation, varicous vein problems, cracks in

the corner of my mouth, cracked, chapped heels, very dry skin, sores inside my

nostrils, yellow toenails, and other ailments I've forgotten about. After doing

many cleanses (different kinds), and about 18 months later, ALL these symptoms

are gone. And, by the way, I am 61 years old. There is NOTHING to fear about

liver cleansing, (or any other cleanses for that matter). Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: " CC " <cobchc@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:12 PM

Subject: Maybe a Dumb Question...

> Hi folks...great board with some great info. Thank God for folks like

> you....I try to avoid Doctors at all costs having had some terrible and

> expensive experiences on my quest for health...I now rely on sick

> people who have no motivation other than to help others. My question

> is this...liver cleansing makes lots of sense to me on a theortetical

> level. But there are sources that say its all nonsense...that

> the " stones " that come out are merely the bodies chemical reaction to

> the substances used in the flush. I have been searching throughout the

> site for information that debunks this conclusion....can anyone point

> me in the right direction? It would seem that if you keep flushing and

> the stones stop coming out...that liver cleansing is legit....hope you

> are all on the path to health....

>

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[Guest guest]

Anyone who debunks the liver/ gallbladder cleanse has their head in the

sand. They have never done one and secondly would not do it.

I have done plenty of the cleanses and know for a fact that you do move

stones and as long as you are moving them your body is sick. As long as

you eat greasy fried foods and things which are hard to digest, your

body is going to make the stones. IF you remove the gallbladder then the

liver has to store the stones it makes. Just because you remove the GB

does not mean the body does not make stones.

In order to quit having stones you have to quit eating what causes the

body to make then in the first place.

I would make a guess that 90% of the population of the USA have stones

in the GB.

There are too many fast food restaurants and not enough raw food salad

buffets to eat at. Too many Mc's, Dairy Queens, Sonics, Burger

Kings, etc to get rid of all the stoned in America.

I told my husband years ago that he had Gallstones. He spoofed me and

said I was wrong. I said I was right and I challenged him to do the

flush. You have no idea the shock on his face when he passed one the

size of a quarter and hundreds of other green stones. That made a

believer out of him.

Needless to say we have drastically changed our diets.

I want to add that cheese is a big contributor to GB stones, along with

Mexican food ( and who does not love that!!!), oriental food, along with

fried chicken, chicken fried steaks, barbecue, and etc.These also are

great for heart attacks too. IF you tell your self that these are

poison for you and make you sick, you will lose the taste for them.

I know I had to do that. I loved Mexican food better than any one and I

could really make good Enchalidas too. But now, I never eat it, never

am tempted, no pizza as the cheese is a liver/GB killer, I am

vegetarian and I love it. We are 90% all raw.

So if someone says there is no such thing as a GB flush, tell them oh

yes there is and it works.

How about you giving it a try just once to see for yourself if it works.

Sure wont hurt you that is for sure.

Let me quickly tell you about a man who the drs wanted to remove his GB

that very day and he ran out of the office. They called and tried every

way in the world to get him back. He flatly refused and went to someone

and had a reflexology treatment and she worked the GM meridian all the

way up the leg and did hot Castor oil packs on the liver area and he did

the complete program and passed stones and got well without the surgery.

It works. I was in the office when this man came in for treatments and

was around him after it was all over.

Hope this will help you to be convinced that stones in the body are

removed with the flushes.

>

> Hi folks...great board with some great info. Thank God for folks like

> you....I try to avoid Doctors at all costs having had some terrible

and

> expensive experiences on my quest for health...I now rely on sick

> people who have no motivation other than to help others. My question

> is this...liver cleansing makes lots of sense to me on a theortetical

> level. But there are sources that say its all nonsense...that

> the " stones " that come out are merely the bodies chemical reaction to

> the substances used in the flush. I have been searching throughout

the

> site for information that debunks this conclusion....can anyone point

> me in the right direction? It would seem that if you keep flushing

and

> the stones stop coming out...that liver cleansing is legit....hope you

> are all on the path to health....

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara, we need an 8x10 glossy of you! Folks, this is the poster child. Who

cares if you are passing stones. Whether they are saponified olive oil (and it

will at body temperature) or not... DOES NOT MATTER (and yes, I am yelling).

And if someone tells you it is all placebo effect or in your head, scream

hallelujah! Please give me some more placebo effect. It sure beats the stones

(literally) out of the " medical " alternatives. What matters is the list of

symptoms that disappear. The symptoms are nothing in magnitude to the other

underlying disorders that are brewing inside and completely related. As the

symptoms go, so do the disorders. This kind of approach saves lives. Notice

how many flushes Barb (I hope I am not taking too much license) did.

The question is not " What are the blobs that I am passing made of? " (and

I would bet that no one will question whether we are passing blobs.). The

questions are: Is this pro health and pro survival? Does this work? Do I get

to keep some parts? What are my alternatives? Etc.

For those of you who are fairly new here, there are countless success

stories (it is not all about flushes), and the uncomfortable, inconvenient

situation may become a door to a new quality of life. Huh Barb? Always, in all

ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Barbara Leppky<mailto:bleppky@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: Maybe a Dumb Question...

I have completed 12 flushes this year and I have no more stones.....

[Guest guest]

After my first and only GB attack, I did 3 flushes and passed stones every day

for over a year! Then I started passing them just a few days a week and now

haven't passed any for about 2 months. If the stones were only a result of a

flush, I don't see how in the world I could have continued passing stones for

such a long period of time.

Amber

My question

is this...liver cleansing makes lots of sense to me on a theortetical

level. But there are sources that say its all nonsense...that

the " stones " that come out are merely the bodies chemical reaction to

the substances used in the flush.

[Guest guest]

Barb, after I had my first and only GB attack, I did 3 flushes and passed stones

for over a year. I had had a sonogram right after the attack the was told that

I had " innumerable " stones. So after passing stones for a year, I had another

sonogram and was STILL full of stones! So I'm wondering, when you say you have

no more stones, was that confirmed by a sonogram? Or are you simply not seeing

the evidence of any more? I'm no longer seeing that evidence but am pretty

convinced that I'm still full of stones just because of those medical tests.

Also, just food for thought, all your other symptoms, (yellow toenails, etc.)

sounds like you also had a very strong fungal infection.

Amber

I have completed 12 flushes this year and I have no more stones. ...I used to

have sore feet, heartburn, insomnia, fatigue, digestive disorders, alternate

diarrhea/constipation, varicous vein problems, cracks in the corner of my mouth,

cracked, chapped heels, very dry skin, sores inside my nostrils, yellow

toenails, and other ailments I've forgotten about. Barb

.

[Guest guest]

Way to go Barbara,

I applaud you for your journey. That is an awful lot of symptoms to

overcome. The liver is the first line to cleansing.

G Murray

Barbara Leppky wrote:

> I have completed 12 flushes this year and I have no more stones. If

> the " stones " were actually created by the olive oil as some idiots

> suggest, then I should still have stones. Olive oil wil only solidify

> at way below body temperature. I used to have sore feet, heartburn,

> insomnia, fatigue, digestive disorders, alternate

> diarrhea/constipation, varicous vein problems, cracks in the corner of

> my mouth, cracked, chapped heels, very dry skin, sores inside my

> nostrils, yellow toenails, and other ailments I've forgotten about.

> After doing many cleanses (different kinds), and about 18 months

> later, ALL these symptoms are gone. And, by the way, I am 61 years

> old. There is NOTHING to fear about liver cleansing, (or any other

> cleanses for that matter). Barb

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " CC " <cobchc@... <mailto:cobchc%40>>

> <gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>>

> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:12 PM

> Subject: Maybe a Dumb Question...

>

> > Hi folks...great board with some great info. Thank God for folks like

> > you....I try to avoid Doctors at all costs having had some terrible and

> > expensive experiences on my quest for health...I now rely on sick

> > people who have no motivation other than to help others. My question

> > is this...liver cleansing makes lots of sense to me on a theortetical

> > level. But there are sources that say its all nonsense...that

> > the " stones " that come out are merely the bodies chemical reaction to

> > the substances used in the flush. I have been searching throughout the

> > site for information that debunks this conclusion....can anyone point

> > me in the right direction? It would seem that if you keep flushing and

> > the stones stop coming out...that liver cleansing is legit....hope you

> > are all on the path to health....

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even I faced the same situation. I did the Liver cleansing and passed Green and

black stones but when I got my Ultrasound done, there are still 2 stones that

were initially seen in my ultrasound before I did the liver cleanse. I did the

liver cleanse twice and dont see that my stones came out. Anyone can give me a

real conclusive example if all their gallstones were removed by the liver

cleanse?

~Ninad

[Guest guest]

Actually Amber, I've been doing liver cleanses since 2000. BUT, at that

time I thought twice a year was ample. It wasn't until 2007 that I did a

liver cleanse on a 2 week basis. And, yes, I did have a " fungal " infection.

I won't share the protocol I used, because it is not sanctioned. Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: " Amber " <amber@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: Maybe a Dumb Question...

> Barb, after I had my first and only GB attack, I did 3 flushes and passed

> stones for over a year. I had had a sonogram right after the attack the

> was told that I had " innumerable " stones. So after passing stones for a

> year, I had another sonogram and was STILL full of stones! So I'm

> wondering, when you say you have no more stones, was that confirmed by a

> sonogram? Or are you simply not seeing the evidence of any more? I'm no

> longer seeing that evidence but am pretty convinced that I'm still full of

> stones just because of those medical tests. Also, just food for thought,

> all your other symptoms, (yellow toenails, etc.) sounds like you also had

> a very strong fungal infection.

>

> Amber

[Guest guest]

My lab test didn't show yeast but I'm on an antifungal regime anyway. Can't

hurt.

Amber

Actually Amber, I've been doing liver cleanses since 2000. BUT, at that

time I thought twice a year was ample. It wasn't until 2007 that I did a

liver cleanse on a 2 week basis. And, yes, I did have a " fungal " infection.

I won't share the protocol I used, because it is not sanctioned. Barb

.

[Guest guest]

Well! I don't really know how to respond. An 8 X 10 glossy of me? Nahhh. I

don't think so. I'm a very private soul, you see. As you say, it's the list

of symptoms that disappear that really matters. Have you ever noticed that many

of the " symptoms " of this day and age are actually called " diseases? " And yes,

you're right, it's not all about flushes. It's about YOU taking control of YOUR

own health, and above all, taking control of YOUR OWN Health Care. Above all

else, keep in mind, regardless of whether you seek the help of Conventional or

Alternative Health Care, they ALL RELY ON YOUR SICKNESS!! You must learn how

to become your own health care giver. HOW? Study old natural healing

manuscripts in your local library. Go on line and find natural healing

correspondence courses. In other words, TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN HEALTH &

HEALTH CARE! Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:18 AM

Subject: Re: Maybe a Dumb Question...

> Barbara, we need an 8x10 glossy of you! .................... What matters is

the list of symptoms that disappear. The symptoms are nothing in magnitude to

the other underlying disorders that are brewing inside and completely related.

As the symptoms go, so do the disorders. This kind of approach saves lives.

Notice how many flushes Barb (I hope I am not taking too much license) did.

>

> The question is not " What are the blobs that I am passing made of? " (and

I would bet that no one will question whether we are passing blobs.). The

questions are: Is this pro health and pro survival? Does this work? Do I get

to keep some parts? What are my alternatives? Etc.

>

> For those of you who are fairly new here, there are countless success

stories (it is not all about flushes), and the uncomfortable, inconvenient

situation may become a door to a new quality of life. -Dave

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree with you more. And they are called diseases now simply so that

the pharmaceutical companies have an excuse to come up with more drugs.

Amber

Have you ever noticed that many of the " symptoms " of this day and age are

actually called " diseases? " ... TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN HEALTH & HEALTH CARE!

Barb

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