Flax oil

December 1, 1998

Tohana - thanks for the flax explanation. I plan to keep taking it. Now, we do

use the Barleans

high lignan oil. In addition, we " grind " flax seed and use it. While what is

said about " enzyme

inhibitors " being present makes lots of sense, it seems that the original ways

of " grinding " to

produce oils would suffer from the same problem. How much of a problem is it???

Some folks

advocate grinding fresh whenever you want oil. So, here too, there are

differences.

Thanks -- Ken

December 2, 1998

> From: tohana@...

> (1)EFAs are precursors to hormonelike substances known as the

> prostaglandins. There are three main groups of these, known as PG1s,

> PG2s and PG3s. PGs govern platelet stickiness in the blood, arterial

> muscle tone, inflammatory response, sodium excretion through the

> kidneys, and immune function.

> PG1s and PG2s arederived from OMEGA 6, while the PG3s come from OMEGA

> 3. PG2s are triggered by stress and they will increase platelet

> stickiness, constrict arteries, increase inflammation, decrease sodium

> excretion, and inhibit immune function. Under normal circumstances the

> PG3s(OMEGA 3) would keep the PG2s (OMEGA 6) in check; were the

> production of PG2s to go unchecked serious consequences would result.

> A lack or deficiency of OMEGA 3 will result in a lack or deficiency of

> PG3s.

> The ratio of OMEGA 6 to OMEGA 3 is also crucial, as excess OMEGA 6 as

> compared to OMEGA 3 promotes tumor formation. Research suggests that

> the ratio of OMEGA 6 to OMEGA 3 should be no greater than 5:1. A

> typical ratio in most people's diets is in excess of 20:1.

> Ingesting sufficient amounts of flax oil at 15-25% OMEGA 6 and 55-65%

> OMEGA 3 will therefore make to redress and bring down the above

> excessive OMEGA 6 imbalance created the by the 'typical diet.'

Hi Tohana,

I understand that PG2's are triggered by stress, but are the levels

primarily controlled by diet? Are 'bad' series 2 prostaglandins derived

mostly from animal sources and trans fats, and 'good' series 1

prostaglandins derived from unprocessed earth-born foods? Is it possible

that we're better off with *no* PG2's?? Can PG1's alone work with the

PG3s to create a healthy balance? (i hope this isn't a ditzy question:)

>

> (3)Something else that I came across with regard to EFAs and oxygen is

> that the ability to utilize oxygen may be improved with flax oil (and

> chlorophyll). One of Flax oil's ways of assisting in body oxygenation

> is that EFAs have a significant ability to attract oxygen. Due to the

> proximity of the double bonds(unsaturated areas), EFAs generate

> electrons, which in turn attract oxygen and so stimulate cellular

> respiration.(Dr. Johanna Budwig)

This is so fascinating - Thanks!

February 11, 1999

Dear Lyn,

One ounce flax oil daily in four tablespoons of dry curd cottage cheese.

Its good for what ails ya!

Best of health!

Saul

June 7, 1999

Hello All,

Well the flax seed oil seems have reduced the swelling around my eyes

but I don't think its doing anything else. I do believe its a good thing

to take, or hemp oil because hemp oil has twice as much of what flax oil

has.

Raven

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August 27, 1999

> Taking flax oil, from 3 to 9 capsules per day, will prevent constipation,

> and do your kidneys and liver a world of good.

>

Hi Saul,

For some reason flax oil gets my adrenal glands going and then I get a

resultant tired period afterwards like they are exhausted. I have some

of the oil but haven't tried it repeatedly to see what the effects would

be over time.

Other oils have had no such effect including evening primrose oil.

J.

P.S. I gave flax oil capsules to my diabetic daughter and they reduced

her insulin needs at first and then her body seemed to adjust somehow

and the insulin needs became greater until it was the normal higher dose

once more. Perhaps it had the same excitatory effect on her.

August 27, 1999

Better yet, take some whole organic flax seeds and grind them up in a coffee

grinder and take them with liquid (juice).

Dennis Lipter

wrote:

> From: <jackson@...>

>

> > Taking flax oil, from 3 to 9 capsules per day, will prevent constipation,

> > and do your kidneys and liver a world of good.

> >

>

> Hi Saul,

>

> For some reason flax oil gets my adrenal glands going and then I get a

> resultant tired period afterwards like they are exhausted. I have some

> of the oil but haven't tried it repeatedly to see what the effects would

> be over time.

> Other oils have had no such effect including evening primrose oil.

> J.

>

> P.S. I gave flax oil capsules to my diabetic daughter and they reduced

> her insulin needs at first and then her body seemed to adjust somehow

> and the insulin needs became greater until it was the normal higher dose

> once more. Perhaps it had the same excitatory effect on her.

>

> ---------------------------

August 27, 1999

At 05:56 PM 8/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: <jackson@...>

>

>> Taking flax oil, from 3 to 9 capsules per day, will prevent constipation,

>> and do your kidneys and liver a world of good.

>>

>

>Hi Saul,

>

>For some reason flax oil gets my adrenal glands going and then I get a

>resultant tired period afterwards like they are exhausted. I have some

>of the oil but haven't tried it repeatedly to see what the effects would

>be over time.

>Other oils have had no such effect including evening primrose oil.

> J.

>

>P.S. I gave flax oil capsules to my diabetic daughter and they reduced

>her insulin needs at first and then her body seemed to adjust somehow

>and the insulin needs became greater until it was the normal higher dose

>once more. Perhaps it had the same excitatory effect on her.

~~~~~~~~

I also can't take flax oil. (???)

For potassium try black strap molasses and potatoes...one of the most

potassium rich foods...many times more than bananas. Potassium rich broth

can be made with potato skins...

~^^V^^~

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August 28, 1999

In a message dated 8/27/99 9:34:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dlipter@... writes:

<< Better yet, take some whole organic flax seeds and grind them up in a

coffee grinder and take them with liquid (juice).

>>

Is there a reason why the flax seeds have to be ground? If whole seeds are

eaten, what nutritious values are lost?

Gemno

August 28, 1999

In a message dated 8/28/99 5:04:39 AM Central Daylight Time, Gemno@...

writes:

<< Is there a reason why the flax seeds have to be ground? If whole seeds

are

eaten, what nutritious values are lost? >>

From what I understand, the hulls can protect them and you less nutrition

from them. A very short burst in a bender opens them right up.

Gene Downey

August 28, 1999

Yes there is a reason for grinding the flax seeds. Grinding them opens them up

and makes the fiber, oil, protein and lignans bioavailable. Two heaping

tablespoons of ground flax contain almost as much oil as one tablespoon of flax

oil, plus the fiber , protein and lignans. Grind only as much as you can use in

a few days and store in freezer.

Dennis Lipter

Gemno@... wrote:

> From: Gemno@...

>

> In a message dated 8/27/99 9:34:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> dlipter@... writes:

>

> << Better yet, take some whole organic flax seeds and grind them up in a

> coffee grinder and take them with liquid (juice).

> >>

> Is there a reason why the flax seeds have to be ground? If whole seeds are

> eaten, what nutritious values are lost?

>

> Gemno

>

> ---------------------------

August 28, 1999

> From: Dennis Lipter <dlipter@...>

>

> Yes there is a reason for grinding the flax seeds. Grinding them opens them

> up and makes the fiber, oil, protein and lignans bioavailable. Two heaping

> tablespoons of ground flax contain almost as much oil as one tablespoon of

> flax oil, plus the fiber , protein and lignans. Grind only as much as you

> can use in a few days and store in freezer.

Dennis,

There is something we've been doing at our house for the last several months

with flax seed. We grind four tablespoons (because there are two of us) of

flax in a small, electric coffee bean grinder, mix with water, herbs and

lime juice, flatten out into a large pancake, place on the surface of an

oiled pan and place into a gas oven overnight. The heat from the pilot

lights creates just enough warmth to dry the mixture out by the next day.

Therefore, no cooking or destruction of enzymes or oils. We then divide the

flax bread, put some sunflower mix pate along with lettuce, tomato, etc.,

and have a sandwich for lunch. The sunflower seeds provides the Omega 6 and

the flax the Omega 3, both daily requirements.

Jack

August 28, 1999

Jack,

That sounds great! I wonder if the oil degrades due to heat and oxygen? My guess

is that it should be ok. Is the lime juice for taste? What herbs do you use? How

do you make the sunflower pate?

Dennis Lipter

jawlaw@... wrote:

> From: jawlaw@...

>

> > From: Dennis Lipter <dlipter@...>

> >

> > Yes there is a reason for grinding the flax seeds. Grinding them opens them

> > up and makes the fiber, oil, protein and lignans bioavailable. Two heaping

> > tablespoons of ground flax contain almost as much oil as one tablespoon of

> > flax oil, plus the fiber , protein and lignans. Grind only as much as you

> > can use in a few days and store in freezer.

>

> Dennis,

> There is something we've been doing at our house for the last several months

> with flax seed. We grind four tablespoons (because there are two of us) of

> flax in a small, electric coffee bean grinder, mix with water, herbs and

> lime juice, flatten out into a large pancake, place on the surface of an

> oiled pan and place into a gas oven overnight. The heat from the pilot

> lights creates just enough warmth to dry the mixture out by the next day.

> Therefore, no cooking or destruction of enzymes or oils. We then divide the

> flax bread, put some sunflower mix pate along with lettuce, tomato, etc.,

> and have a sandwich for lunch. The sunflower seeds provides the Omega 6 and

> the flax the Omega 3, both daily requirements.

>

> Jack

>

> ---------------------------

August 28, 1999

Dennis,

I also wondered about degradation of oil due to heat and oxygen contact. I

wrote to a number of sources about this, and the best reply I received was

from a person at the Canadian Flax Council who said they had done research

on this subject and there was no damage due to long term storage. Maybe

they're biased, or don't look for the same things we do. Anyway, I figure

I'm getting a substantial percentage of the good stuff.

The lime juice is for taste, and it's another way to get citrus and Vitamin

C. We chop up whatever organic herbs are available from our local market.

Earlier this week it was basil. Last few days, we used the soak water from

sun dried tomatoes. Just, no salt.

To make the sunflower pate, take 3 cups of soaked sunflower seeds and

process through the GreenLife (or Champion type) juicer with a blank screen,

mix in one cup of lime juice, 3 tablespoons of curry power, cilantro, onion,

and garlic (or whatever spices and herbs you like). This becomes an omega 6

rich spread I put on the omega 3 rich flax bread.

Then, I make sure I either take some MSM (organic sulfur supplement)

capsules or eat onions and garlic with it, to make sure I get plenty of

sulpher proteins to complement the

EFAs. I also pop a digestive enzyme capsule to make sure all this goes down

easily.

Jack

> From: Dennis Lipter <dlipter@...>

>

> Jack,

>

> That sounds great! I wonder if the oil degrades due to heat and oxygen? My

> guess is that it should be ok. Is the lime juice for taste? What herbs do

> you use? How do you make the sunflower pate?

>

> Dennis Lipter

>

> jawlaw@... wrote:

>

>> From: jawlaw@...

>>

>> > From: Dennis Lipter <dlipter@...>

>> >

>> > Yes there is a reason for grinding the flax seeds. Grinding them opens them

>> > up and makes the fiber, oil, protein and lignans bioavailable. Two heaping

>> > tablespoons of ground flax contain almost as much oil as one tablespoon of

>> > flax oil, plus the fiber , protein and lignans. Grind only as much as you

>> > can use in a few days and store in freezer.

>>

>> Dennis,

>> There is something we've been doing at our house for the last several months

>> with flax seed. We grind four tablespoons (because there are two of us) of

>> flax in a small, electric coffee bean grinder, mix with water, herbs and

>> lime juice, flatten out into a large pancake, place on the surface of an

>> oiled pan and place into a gas oven overnight. The heat from the pilot

>> lights creates just enough warmth to dry the mixture out by the next day.

>> Therefore, no cooking or destruction of enzymes or oils. We then divide the

>> flax bread, put some sunflower mix pate along with lettuce, tomato, etc.,

>> and have a sandwich for lunch. The sunflower seeds provides the Omega 6 and

>> the flax the Omega 3, both daily requirements.

>>

>> Jack

>>

August 28, 1999

You don't know there is no heat destruction. Use a thermometer and check the

drying temperature you are using. 118 degrees destroys enzymes. That isn't very

hot.

jim

jawlaw@... wrote:

> There is something we've been doing at our house for the last several months

> with flax seed. ........and place into a gas oven overnight. The heat from the

pilot

> lights creates just enough warmth .....Therefore, no cooking or destruction of

enzymes or oils.

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August 28, 1999

> For potassium try black strap molasses and potatoes...one of

> the most potassium rich foods...many times more than bananas.

> Potassium rich broth can be made with potato skins...

Nest source of potassium I understand is raw apple

cider vinegar...

--

Marcus

August 28, 1999

> Dennis:

Thanks for the recipe. I'll try this as soon as I can. Good info.

Del

> >Dennis wrote,