My Experience of Pigment Gallstones

[Guest guest]

Hi

Here in Japan, I was hospitalized after a gallstone blocked the

common bile duct for 2 weeks. Previously, by the grace of God,

I had been quite healthy and enjoying life to the fullest, for

which I am very thankful.

However, the stone blockage was very painful. I had white stools and

very dark urine. The liver panel showed AST/ALT around 300 and

bilirubin at 6.0! I had severe jaundice, my eyes and skin were

yellow.

I took all manner of herbal preparations including " GallCleanse "

and " gold coin grass " , and eventually, after consuming a glass of

Italian fizzy water, the pain of the stone suddenly vanished -

presumably, the fizzy water had generated a pressure in the

duodenum which opened the sphincter of Oddi, allowing the stone

to fall out. But my liver was all shot up from the blockage and all

the herbs I had thrown at it. Then I developed unremitting itching

and stinging all over the body which was not relieved by scratching.

I gave up at that point and decided to go to hospital.

I know it is a " good " hospital and the surgeons are very skilled, but

the fact that there is no alternative to surgery in Japan made me go

weak at the knees. Also, since I had been told my gallbladder was

probably " folded over on itself " , I was trying to " undo "

the supposed adhesion of the gallbladder by doing spinal twists

which gave me two herniated disks at L2-L3 and L4-L5.

So I was admitted to the hospital in a wheelchair, and stayed

bedridden for 1 week.

I was put on antibiotics for 3 days on a drip with no food in a ward

with another person scheduled for GB surgery and others who were

recovering from pancreas and colon cancer operations, and

pursuing chemo/radiation treatments. I had a cascade of tests,

although I was unable to walk - 8 X-rays for the back plus an MRI,

and an MRCP for the bile ducts. I also had an endoscopic ultrasound

showing the gallbladder was full of stones (a horrible procedure),

but since the bile duct was no longer blocked and the bilirubin level

was falling, I was told I could be discharged from the hospital

without having the GB removed, at least for now.

They also told me my stones were " pigment " stones of calcium

bilirubinate, coated with a protective layer of calcium salts.

I had the " GallCleanse " product at home, but I did not take

it any more since my liver was all shot up. It also appears that the

product cannot dissolve pigment stones, although the

maker says otherwise (over the phone).

Internet searches showed the only substances so far known to

dissolve the hard, brittle pigment stones are the calcium

chelator, EDTA, and - sodium metaphosphate (toxic, please do

not attempt to consume that substance).

In lab tests, the solvent action of EDTA was enhanced with a

cholesterol dissolvent such as " urso " , and a bile production

agent like heparin. Alternatively, the action was enhanced with a

detergent (surfactant) such as " Lubrol " and another bile production

agent - urea (toxic waste product of metabolism).

The Japanese authors of these reports from the 1970s " hoped that the

results would soon lead to a safe oral treatment for gallstones " , and

they also said that it was quite feasible to develop one.

Why have their wishes and hopes been ignored?

Actually, I think the EDTA could be replaced by another, safer

calcium/iron chelator (IP6 - inositol hexaphosphate). The

" urso " might be replaced by terpenes such as those in peppermint,

coriander or " GallCleanse " . The surfactant might be Manuka honey.

The bile production agent could be ginger. I also contacted

Ayurvedic doctors in Sri Lanka and they recommend consuming

aloe vera, perhaps it facilitates entry of these agents into the GB.

They also said that in Sri Lanka, the aim of surgery is now to remove

only the stones and leave the GB, whose function is then restored

with herbs.

At www.earthclinic.com, I read a story about a Thai village

where " all the gallstone sufferers got better by consuming

sesame seeds " . This is possible since sesame seeds are full of

phosphorus, some of which could end up as metaphosphate

(although they also have lots of calcium and iron) which might well

help to dissolve the stones - re the Internet reports - and Thai

people also have the black pigment stones which are the most

difficult to get rid of.

Anyway, I have been taking the IP6 and appear to be getting

better. The fatigue and nausea which I got in the late afternoon

and evening seems to be disappearing, however I still vomit

once in the morning (nothing comes up - I don't know whether

this is due to the fact that the liver is still damaged, or whether

the body is still trying to expel the stones).

The herniated disks are very unstable in the morning and I am

treating them with Chinese herbal patches, hoping that they will

improve over the next month.

If my back gets stronger, I hope to travel to the National

Gallbladder Center of Long Hua International Hospital, Shanghai, to

see the Director, Zhu Pei Ting. He has developed several new herbal

treatments for pigment and cholesterol gallstones over the last 10

years which are available only in China. However, the hospital said

he will not answer the phone (I heard he doesn't speak English) and

it is necessary to go to Shanghai to be treated by his protocols.

I apologize for the long post, but I hope it will stimulate

discussion on the difficulties of dissolving brown and hard black

pigment stones, which account for 15-20% of gallstones in Western

countries and 80-100% in Asian peoples.

My heart goes out to everyone suffering from gallstones and

all degenerative diseases.

God Bless,

Max

[Guest guest]

Hi Max

you certainly had some troubles with your liver/gallbladder.

I am going to make further enquiries, but will be very disappointed if the

gallcleanse does not dissolve slowly all stone types..

my logic tells me that there must be natural chemicals that can be found in

foods and herbs that would slowly reverse stones of all types in the body.

But maybe we even have to give up complete food groups such as dairy if we wish

to completely stop getting stones, I don't know.

I hope you manage to keep your symptoms under control...

anne

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

> Here in Japan, I was hospitalized after a gallstone blocked the

> common bile duct for 2 weeks. Previously, by the grace of God,

> I had been quite healthy and enjoying life to the fullest, for

> which I am very thankful.

> However, the stone blockage was very painful. I had white stools

and

> very dark urine. The liver panel showed AST/ALT around 300 and

> bilirubin at 6.0! I had severe jaundice, my eyes and skin were

> yellow.

> I took all manner of herbal preparations including " GallCleanse "

> and " gold coin grass " , and eventually, after consuming a glass of

> Italian fizzy water, the pain of the stone suddenly vanished -

> presumably, the fizzy water had generated a pressure in the

> duodenum which opened the sphincter of Oddi, allowing the stone

> to fall out. But my liver was all shot up from the blockage and

all

> the herbs I had thrown at it. Then I developed unremitting

itching

> and stinging all over the body which was not relieved by

scratching.

> I gave up at that point and decided to go to hospital.

> I know it is a " good " hospital and the surgeons are very skilled,

but

> the fact that there is no alternative to surgery in Japan made me

go

> weak at the knees. Also, since I had been told my gallbladder was

> probably " folded over on itself " , I was trying to " undo "

> the supposed adhesion of the gallbladder by doing spinal twists

> which gave me two herniated disks at L2-L3 and L4-L5.

> So I was admitted to the hospital in a wheelchair, and stayed

> bedridden for 1 week.

> I was put on antibiotics for 3 days on a drip with no food in a

ward

> with another person scheduled for GB surgery and others who were

> recovering from pancreas and colon cancer operations, and

> pursuing chemo/radiation treatments. I had a cascade of tests,

> although I was unable to walk - 8 X-rays for the back plus an MRI,

> and an MRCP for the bile ducts. I also had an endoscopic

ultrasound

> showing the gallbladder was full of stones (a horrible procedure),

> but since the bile duct was no longer blocked and the bilirubin

level

> was falling, I was told I could be discharged from the hospital

> without having the GB removed, at least for now.

> They also told me my stones were " pigment " stones of calcium

> bilirubinate, coated with a protective layer of calcium salts.

> I had the " GallCleanse " product at home, but I did not take

> it any more since my liver was all shot up. It also appears that

the

> product cannot dissolve pigment stones, although the

> maker says otherwise (over the phone).

> Internet searches showed the only substances so far known to

> dissolve the hard, brittle pigment stones are the calcium

> chelator, EDTA, and - sodium metaphosphate (toxic, please do

> not attempt to consume that substance).

> In lab tests, the solvent action of EDTA was enhanced with a

> cholesterol dissolvent such as " urso " , and a bile production

> agent like heparin. Alternatively, the action was enhanced with a

> detergent (surfactant) such as " Lubrol " and another bile production

> agent - urea (toxic waste product of metabolism).

> The Japanese authors of these reports from the 1970s " hoped that the

> results would soon lead to a safe oral treatment for gallstones " ,

and

> they also said that it was quite feasible to develop one.

> Why have their wishes and hopes been ignored?

> Actually, I think the EDTA could be replaced by another, safer

> calcium/iron chelator (IP6 - inositol hexaphosphate). The

> " urso " might be replaced by terpenes such as those in peppermint,

> coriander or " GallCleanse " . The surfactant might be Manuka honey.

> The bile production agent could be ginger. I also contacted

> Ayurvedic doctors in Sri Lanka and they recommend consuming

> aloe vera, perhaps it facilitates entry of these agents into the GB.

> They also said that in Sri Lanka, the aim of surgery is now to

remove

> only the stones and leave the GB, whose function is then restored

> with herbs.

> At www.earthclinic.com, I read a story about a Thai village

> where " all the gallstone sufferers got better by consuming

> sesame seeds " . This is possible since sesame seeds are full of

> phosphorus, some of which could end up as metaphosphate

> (although they also have lots of calcium and iron) which might well

> help to dissolve the stones - re the Internet reports - and Thai

> people also have the black pigment stones which are the most

> difficult to get rid of.

> Anyway, I have been taking the IP6 and appear to be getting

> better. The fatigue and nausea which I got in the late afternoon

> and evening seems to be disappearing, however I still vomit

> once in the morning (nothing comes up - I don't know whether

> this is due to the fact that the liver is still damaged, or whether

> the body is still trying to expel the stones).

> The herniated disks are very unstable in the morning and I am

> treating them with Chinese herbal patches, hoping that they will

> improve over the next month.

> If my back gets stronger, I hope to travel to the National

> Gallbladder Center of Long Hua International Hospital, Shanghai, to

> see the Director, Zhu Pei Ting. He has developed several new

herbal

> treatments for pigment and cholesterol gallstones over the last 10

> years which are available only in China. However, the hospital said

> he will not answer the phone (I heard he doesn't speak English) and

> it is necessary to go to Shanghai to be treated by his protocols.

> I apologize for the long post, but I hope it will stimulate

> discussion on the difficulties of dissolving brown and hard black

> pigment stones, which account for 15-20% of gallstones in Western

> countries and 80-100% in Asian peoples.

> My heart goes out to everyone suffering from gallstones and

> all degenerative diseases.

> God Bless,

> Max

>

[Guest guest]

I am amazed at what you have been through---

did you ever try the epsom salts added with water or I use cranberry

juice? (one big tablespoon added with a cup or so of liquid)

This opens up the ducts (be near a bathroom for most of the day)

This relieves the pain right away and allows the stones to pass--

Empty stomach is best (I do this in the morning if I awake with back

pain).

I also have mostly sludge and it seems to build up. I am sure I have

stones but still have a hard time getting them out.

digestive enzymes have slowed down the formation of stones I thing

beause I have less and less pain over the years now.

Also I do a flush at least every 3 or 4 months.

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Can't hurt to try this--but you better ask your doctors first---

-- In gallstones , " silversblue3000 " <max@...> wrote:

>

> Hi

> Here in Japan, I was hospitalized after a gallstone blocked the

> common bile duct for 2 weeks. Previously, by the grace of God,

> I had been quite healthy and enjoying life to the fullest, for

> which I am very thankful.

> However, the stone blockage was very painful. I had white stools

and

> very dark urine. The liver panel showed AST/ALT around 300 and

> bilirubin at 6.0! I had severe jaundice, my eyes and skin were

> yellow.

> I took all manner of herbal preparations including " GallCleanse "

> and " gold coin grass " , and eventually, after consuming a glass of

> Italian fizzy water, the pain of the stone suddenly vanished -

> presumably, the fizzy water had generated a pressure in the

> duodenum which opened the sphincter of Oddi, allowing the stone

> to fall out. But my liver was all shot up from the blockage and

all

> the herbs I had thrown at it. Then I developed unremitting

itching

> and stinging all over the body which was not relieved by

scratching.

> I gave up at that point and decided to go to hospital.

> I know it is a " good " hospital and the surgeons are very skilled,

but

> the fact that there is no alternative to surgery in Japan made me

go

> weak at the knees. Also, since I had been told my gallbladder was

> probably " folded over on itself " , I was trying to " undo "

> the supposed adhesion of the gallbladder by doing spinal twists

> which gave me two herniated disks at L2-L3 and L4-L5.

> So I was admitted to the hospital in a wheelchair, and stayed

> bedridden for 1 week.

> I was put on antibiotics for 3 days on a drip with no food in a

ward

> with another person scheduled for GB surgery and others who were

> recovering from pancreas and colon cancer operations, and

> pursuing chemo/radiation treatments. I had a cascade of tests,

> although I was unable to walk - 8 X-rays for the back plus an MRI,

> and an MRCP for the bile ducts. I also had an endoscopic

ultrasound

> showing the gallbladder was full of stones (a horrible procedure),

> but since the bile duct was no longer blocked and the bilirubin

level

> was falling, I was told I could be discharged from the hospital

> without having the GB removed, at least for now.

> They also told me my stones were " pigment " stones of calcium

> bilirubinate, coated with a protective layer of calcium salts.

> I had the " GallCleanse " product at home, but I did not take

> it any more since my liver was all shot up. It also appears that

the

> product cannot dissolve pigment stones, although the

> maker says otherwise (over the phone).

> Internet searches showed the only substances so far known to

> dissolve the hard, brittle pigment stones are the calcium

> chelator, EDTA, and - sodium metaphosphate (toxic, please do

> not attempt to consume that substance).

> In lab tests, the solvent action of EDTA was enhanced with a

> cholesterol dissolvent such as " urso " , and a bile production

> agent like heparin. Alternatively, the action was enhanced with a

> detergent (surfactant) such as " Lubrol " and another bile production

> agent - urea (toxic waste product of metabolism).

> The Japanese authors of these reports from the 1970s " hoped that the

> results would soon lead to a safe oral treatment for gallstones " ,

and

> they also said that it was quite feasible to develop one.

> Why have their wishes and hopes been ignored?

> Actually, I think the EDTA could be replaced by another, safer

> calcium/iron chelator (IP6 - inositol hexaphosphate). The

> " urso " might be replaced by terpenes such as those in peppermint,

> coriander or " GallCleanse " . The surfactant might be Manuka honey.

> The bile production agent could be ginger. I also contacted

> Ayurvedic doctors in Sri Lanka and they recommend consuming

> aloe vera, perhaps it facilitates entry of these agents into the GB.

> They also said that in Sri Lanka, the aim of surgery is now to

remove

> only the stones and leave the GB, whose function is then restored

> with herbs.

> At www.earthclinic.com, I read a story about a Thai village

> where " all the gallstone sufferers got better by consuming

> sesame seeds " . This is possible since sesame seeds are full of

> phosphorus, some of which could end up as metaphosphate

> (although they also have lots of calcium and iron) which might well

> help to dissolve the stones - re the Internet reports - and Thai

> people also have the black pigment stones which are the most

> difficult to get rid of.

> Anyway, I have been taking the IP6 and appear to be getting

> better. The fatigue and nausea which I got in the late afternoon

> and evening seems to be disappearing, however I still vomit

> once in the morning (nothing comes up - I don't know whether

> this is due to the fact that the liver is still damaged, or whether

> the body is still trying to expel the stones).

> The herniated disks are very unstable in the morning and I am

> treating them with Chinese herbal patches, hoping that they will

> improve over the next month.

> If my back gets stronger, I hope to travel to the National

> Gallbladder Center of Long Hua International Hospital, Shanghai, to

> see the Director, Zhu Pei Ting. He has developed several new

herbal

> treatments for pigment and cholesterol gallstones over the last 10

> years which are available only in China. However, the hospital said

> he will not answer the phone (I heard he doesn't speak English) and

> it is necessary to go to Shanghai to be treated by his protocols.

> I apologize for the long post, but I hope it will stimulate

> discussion on the difficulties of dissolving brown and hard black

> pigment stones, which account for 15-20% of gallstones in Western

> countries and 80-100% in Asian peoples.

> My heart goes out to everyone suffering from gallstones and

> all degenerative diseases.

> God Bless,

> Max

>

[Guest guest]

Wow thanks Max very interesting.

>

> -- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " silversblue3000 " max@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi

> > Here in Japan, I was hospitalized after a gallstone blocked the

> > common bile duct for 2 weeks. Previously, by the grace of God,

> > I had been quite healthy and enjoying life to the fullest, for

> > which I am very thankful.

> > However, the stone blockage was very painful. I had white stools

> and

> > very dark urine. The liver panel showed AST/ALT around 300 and

> > bilirubin at 6.0! I had severe jaundice, my eyes and skin were

> > yellow.

> > I took all manner of herbal preparations including " GallCleanse "

> > and " gold coin grass " , and eventually, after consuming a glass of

> > Italian fizzy water, the pain of the stone suddenly vanished -

> > presumably, the fizzy water had generated a pressure in the

> > duodenum which opened the sphincter of Oddi, allowing the stone

> > to fall out. But my liver was all shot up from the blockage and

> all

> > the herbs I had thrown at it. Then I developed unremitting

> itching

> > and stinging all over the body which was not relieved by

> scratching.

> > I gave up at that point and decided to go to hospital.

> > I know it is a " good " hospital and the surgeons are very skilled,

> but

> > the fact that there is no alternative to surgery in Japan made me

> go

> > weak at the knees. Also, since I had been told my gallbladder was

> > probably " folded over on itself " , I was trying to " undo "

> > the supposed adhesion of the gallbladder by doing spinal twists

> > which gave me two herniated disks at L2-L3 and L4-L5.

> > So I was admitted to the hospital in a wheelchair, and stayed

> > bedridden for 1 week.

> > I was put on antibiotics for 3 days on a drip with no food in a

> ward

> > with another person scheduled for GB surgery and others who were

> > recovering from pancreas and colon cancer operations, and

> > pursuing chemo/radiation treatments. I had a cascade of tests,

> > although I was unable to walk - 8 X-rays for the back plus an MRI,

> > and an MRCP for the bile ducts. I also had an endoscopic

> ultrasound

> > showing the gallbladder was full of stones (a horrible procedure),

> > but since the bile duct was no longer blocked and the bilirubin

> level

> > was falling, I was told I could be discharged from the hospital

> > without having the GB removed, at least for now.

> > They also told me my stones were " pigment " stones of calcium

> > bilirubinate, coated with a protective layer of calcium salts.

> > I had the " GallCleanse " product at home, but I did not take

> > it any more since my liver was all shot up. It also appears that

> the

> > product cannot dissolve pigment stones, although the

> > maker says otherwise (over the phone).

> > Internet searches showed the only substances so far known to

> > dissolve the hard, brittle pigment stones are the calcium

> > chelator, EDTA, and - sodium metaphosphate (toxic, please do

> > not attempt to consume that substance).

> > In lab tests, the solvent action of EDTA was enhanced with a

> > cholesterol dissolvent such as " urso " , and a bile production

> > agent like heparin. Alternatively, the action was enhanced with a

> > detergent (surfactant) such as " Lubrol " and another bile production

> > agent - urea (toxic waste product of metabolism).

> > The Japanese authors of these reports from the 1970s " hoped that the

> > results would soon lead to a safe oral treatment for gallstones " ,

> and

> > they also said that it was quite feasible to develop one.

> > Why have their wishes and hopes been ignored?

> > Actually, I think the EDTA could be replaced by another, safer

> > calcium/iron chelator (IP6 - inositol hexaphosphate) . The

> > " urso " might be replaced by terpenes such as those in peppermint,

> > coriander or " GallCleanse " . The surfactant might be Manuka honey.

> > The bile production agent could be ginger. I also contacted

> > Ayurvedic doctors in Sri Lanka and they recommend consuming

> > aloe vera, perhaps it facilitates entry of these agents into the GB.

> > They also said that in Sri Lanka, the aim of surgery is now to

> remove

> > only the stones and leave the GB, whose function is then restored

> > with herbs.

> > At www.earthclinic. com, I read a story about a Thai village

> > where " all the gallstone sufferers got better by consuming

> > sesame seeds " . This is possible since sesame seeds are full of

> > phosphorus, some of which could end up as metaphosphate

> > (although they also have lots of calcium and iron) which might well

> > help to dissolve the stones - re the Internet reports - and Thai

> > people also have the black pigment stones which are the most

> > difficult to get rid of.

> > Anyway, I have been taking the IP6 and appear to be getting

> > better. The fatigue and nausea which I got in the late afternoon

> > and evening seems to be disappearing, however I still vomit

> > once in the morning (nothing comes up - I don't know whether

> > this is due to the fact that the liver is still damaged, or whether

> > the body is still trying to expel the stones).

> > The herniated disks are very unstable in the morning and I am

> > treating them with Chinese herbal patches, hoping that they will

> > improve over the next month.

> > If my back gets stronger, I hope to travel to the National

> > Gallbladder Center of Long Hua International Hospital, Shanghai, to

> > see the Director, Zhu Pei Ting. He has developed several new

> herbal

> > treatments for pigment and cholesterol gallstones over the last 10

> > years which are available only in China. However, the hospital said

> > he will not answer the phone (I heard he doesn't speak English) and

> > it is necessary to go to Shanghai to be treated by his protocols.

> > I apologize for the long post, but I hope it will stimulate

> > discussion on the difficulties of dissolving brown and hard black

> > pigment stones, which account for 15-20% of gallstones in Western

> > countries and 80-100% in Asian peoples.

> > My heart goes out to everyone suffering from gallstones and

> > all degenerative diseases.

> > God Bless,

> > Max

> >

>

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