Re: Liver Sickness and Gall Sones

[Guest guest]

I have not visited the group site in some time. Suzanne_on_ca, I hope all is

well with your sister or at least getting better.

I have decided to have my gall bladder removed. I know my own personality and

do not have the self discipline to maintain any kind of regimen using remedies,

like olive oil and lemon morning and night, etc. I have had gall stones since

before my daughter was born 2004. In fact I have ammenoreah, so I was unaware I

was pregnant till my gall bladder symptoms sent me to my doctor in my 3-4th

month of pregnancy.

He did a pelvic exam in 09/2003 and did not diagnose me as pregnant. He

referred me for a pelvic ultrasound and an abdominal ultrasound. Of course my

HMO approved the abdominal ultrasound first. On the way to work after my

ultrasound, I felt that " flutter " that most women will understand and I knew I

wasn't " just sick " I was pregnant. Of course my doc's female staff seemed very

flustered when I called knowing that I had just been in and he had done a pelvic

and did not realize I was pregnant. The abdominal ultrasound was done the 1st

week of October 2003. I'm sure his staff realized the doc messed up. Now I had

gone 1 extra month without pre-natal care. They of course referred me to an

ob/gyn the same day.

I was never told what my abdominal ultrasound results were. I was totally

pre-occupied with my pregnancy, and any other symptoms I had I attributed to the

pregancy. It wasn't untill my daughter was at least 18 mos. old that I returned

to my doctor because I was very sick with a bad cold and had made up my mind

that if I needed to take antibiotics for bronchitis I was going to stop

breatfeeding. During that office visit with my doc that he asked me what I was

going to do about my gallstones. (Total Scooby-Doo moment----HUH?) I had no

idea I had gallstones. I was o.k. except for the bad chest cold I went to see

the doc for. Now, summer of 2007 I have terrible random pains. They were

really bad on a road trip to Oklahoma during Easter Week. That is was helped me

make my decision. Also I was having a problem reconciling all of the home

remedies I had read about and my limited knowledge of anatomy and digestive

system. How is it that taking anything internally is

going to break down these stones and make them pass through your system and

eliminated in a bowel movement. It made no sense. Now I am just waiting for my

HMO to approve my surgery. Everyone has to make their own decisions about

health. If taking remedies works for you and you have the discipline to follow

through with it and believe they work for you then great. Right now, I have

made my decision that having my gall stones removed is the best decision for me.

Take care!

Suzanne <suzanne_on_ca@...> wrote:

Many of you may feel that stones are formed in the liver and will

migrate down to the Gall bladder. It stands to reason that if the

liver is not functioning properly, you will have more/worse formation

of the stones. This in itself will lead to Gall Bladder attacks.

My sister has gone the gammit, trying to solve her GB attacks - using

diet, naturopathic herbs, chinese herbs, and now ursidol. She had

even been told that she was " fixating " on her gallbladder and needed

tranquilizers. Doctors said that to get rid of her problem, she

needed to have the GB out. It is amzing at the scare tactics that

were utilized in a large metropolis city of Canada!

I'd tried to advise her, but could not tell her if it was or was not

better for her to have the GB out - I can't see inside of her. BUT

She had so many other symptoms unrelated to GB problems (as well as

the terrible attacks) - weight loss, anemia, pains in unrelated areas

and severe fatigue.

To make a long story short, she has been tested by a blood specialist

- results show that she has hemachromatosis. It attacks the liver

causing cyrrosis. - probably the cause of her GB problems! This

disease is not normally diagnosed. It is a separate test and must be

ordered by the doctor.

She still has her GB and, hopefully, is near the end of a more than 2

year journey of ill health.

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[Guest guest]

Thank You Suzanne for this story - many people forget that the

gallbladder is just that - a bladder that holds the bile until

required by digestion - it is very passive and only causes problems

when the bile that it stores is toxic or at the wrong pH. Removing

the gallbladder never fixes the problem - it simply allows the

original problem - the liver function - to continue and adds more

stress on an already burdened disgestive system.

--- In gallstones , " Suzanne " <suzanne_on_ca@...>

wrote:

>

> Many of you may feel that stones are formed in the liver and will

> migrate down to the Gall bladder. It stands to reason that if the

> liver is not functioning properly, you will have more/worse

formation

> of the stones. This in itself will lead to Gall Bladder attacks.

>

> My sister has gone the gammit, trying to solve her GB attacks -

using

> diet, naturopathic herbs, chinese herbs, and now ursidol. She had

> even been told that she was " fixating " on her gallbladder and

needed

> tranquilizers. Doctors said that to get rid of her problem, she

> needed to have the GB out. It is amzing at the scare tactics that

> were utilized in a large metropolis city of Canada!

>

> I'd tried to advise her, but could not tell her if it was or was

not

> better for her to have the GB out - I can't see inside of her. BUT

> She had so many other symptoms unrelated to GB problems (as well

as

> the terrible attacks) - weight loss, anemia, pains in unrelated

areas

> and severe fatigue.

>

> To make a long story short, she has been tested by a blood

specialist

> - results show that she has hemachromatosis. It attacks the liver

> causing cyrrosis. - probably the cause of her GB problems! This

> disease is not normally diagnosed. It is a separate test and must

be

> ordered by the doctor.

>

> She still has her GB and, hopefully, is near the end of a more

than 2

> year journey of ill health.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

There are certain herbs that are supposed to help to disolve the

stones. You can look into the links and files of this group for more

info. There is also a drug prescribed by a medical dr. - ursidol,

which will slowly help to disolve stones.

Many Drs feel that once you're a stone maker, you will reform new

ones after the initial ones are gone, hence few try the chemical

route. In the past, Drs removed just the stones, but that is a bit

more complicated than removal of the whole gallbladder.

If you don't live in North America, perhaps they will only remove the

stones - but I would quizz the Dr more to see the exact procedure

being done.

Remember - surgery is irreversible. Please study and be aware of all

of the side effects of surgery on digestive system and health.

You must be a working partner in your health to receive the best

treatment.

Suzanne

>...How is it that taking anything internally is

> going to break down these stones and make them pass through your

> system and eliminated in a bowel movement. ....Right now, I have

> made my decision that having my gall stones removed is the best

> decision for me.

> Take care!

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, that was fabulous!

Amber

many people forget that the

gallbladder is just that - a bladder that holds the bile until

required by digestion - it is very passive and only causes problems

when the bile that it stores is toxic or at the wrong pH. Removing

the gallbladder never fixes the problem - it simply allows the

original problem - the liver function - to continue and adds more

stress on an already burdened disgestive system.

.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Removing your gall bladder will not solve the whole problem. You have

the problem because your diet is at fault. Unless you correct it you

will still make the stones in the liver and will only have more problems

than before. There are digestive problems you are not told about.

http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbladdersurgery.shtml

Read this web site on what people say about their after results of the

surgery. It is important that you do your home work before deciding on

something so drastic as surgerical removal of an organ. That is

permanent.

And here is one more I found also. After reading these then make your

decision. But it is very important to be informed before making a

decision that has permanent results.

http://www.liverdoctor.com/Section4/gallbladder.asp

Regards,

> >...How is it that taking anything internally is

> > going to break down these stones and make them pass through your

> > system and eliminated in a bowel movement. ....Right now, I have

> > made my decision that having my gall stones removed is the best

> > decision for me.

> > Take care!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad you sister was finally PROPERLY DIAGANOSED! It is so often

that a person has many symptoms, and docotors go for the most common

thing, instead of thinking of RARE DISEASES. It turns out I had a

similar situation, but I wasn't going to let them take my

gallbladder! Well, 10 years later I now have several diagnosis that

explains the myriad of symptoms, and it turns out that they are RARE

DISEASES!!!

I don't mean to use so many " caps " to yell, but rather to emphasize

that doctors have to do better when diagnosing, and people need to go

with thier gut (no pun intended) to keep thier body whole. Thank God

your sister was insistent on keeping her gallbladder long enough to

find out what is really going on.

--- In gallstones , " Suzanne " <suzanne_on_ca@...>

wrote:

>

> Many of you may feel that stones are formed in the liver and will

> migrate down to the Gall bladder. It stands to reason that if the

> liver is not functioning properly, you will have more/worse

formation

> of the stones. This in itself will lead to Gall Bladder attacks.

>

> My sister has gone the gammit, trying to solve her GB attacks -

using

> diet, naturopathic herbs, chinese herbs, and now ursidol. She had

> even been told that she was " fixating " on her gallbladder and

needed

> tranquilizers. Doctors said that to get rid of her problem, she

> needed to have the GB out. It is amzing at the scare tactics that

> were utilized in a large metropolis city of Canada!

>

> I'd tried to advise her, but could not tell her if it was or was

not

> better for her to have the GB out - I can't see inside of her. BUT

> She had so many other symptoms unrelated to GB problems (as well as

> the terrible attacks) - weight loss, anemia, pains in unrelated

areas

> and severe fatigue.

>

> To make a long story short, she has been tested by a blood

specialist

> - results show that she has hemachromatosis. It attacks the liver

> causing cyrrosis. - probably the cause of her GB problems! This

> disease is not normally diagnosed. It is a separate test and must

be

> ordered by the doctor.

>

> She still has her GB and, hopefully, is near the end of a more than

2

> year journey of ill health.

>