Re: My N.D. answered question

[Guest guest]

I have always understood that the pain comes from the non-ending

spasm that the gallbladder endures because a stone has blocked the

opening as it was contracting to expel the stored bile after fats

consumption.

I think one of the more knowledgeable posters has already explained

that in these forums.

At the ER during my first attack, I wasn't aware of the spasms until

after that strong painkiller did its euphoric effect.

I remember leaving the ER upset after 8 hours because not knowing

what was happening to me, I kept telling the nurses, and the doctor

as well, that I could feel spasms,right behind that last rib, now

that the pain wasn't there.

The doc was still convinced I had kidney stones, and sent me to get

my kidney stones flushed with a half hours worth of radiation

exposures so that they could track the kidney stone on the way out.

And then had the gall (pun intended) to tell me I could leave because

I must have flushed the kidney stones since they weren't detected.

I'm no expert and I wish I could reference where I have read this

before, about the gall bladder spasm causing the most excruciating

pain, I have ever known, but I can't recall. But I do believe all

the hard driving advice from others in these forums to give the body

the right fats, which have been listed before, so I won't make myself

redundant.

There is one thing that I have found to be somewhat amazing. These

lifestyle changes that I like most of you had to do on this road to

recovery, are now permanent, and I want it that way, I feel better.

I have come across folks, that defy common sense, will take these

changes that help our bodies, and attempt to integrate, for example

the recommended fats, with the junk that makes the body sick, and

expect some benefit, or at least healing, out of that.

juan

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> This question was posed recently and I forwarded it to my ....

[Guest guest]

Thank you . May we all take your post to liver and gallbladder, as well as

to heart. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: eljuanz<mailto:juan@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: My N.D. answered question

I have always understood that the pain comes from the non-ending

spasm that the gallbladder endures because a stone has blocked the

opening as it was contracting to expel the stored bile after fats

consumption.

I think one of the more knowledgeable posters has already explained

that in these forums.

At the ER during my first attack, I wasn't aware of the spasms until

after that strong painkiller did its euphoric effect.

I remember leaving the ER upset after 8 hours because not knowing

what was happening to me, I kept telling the nurses, and the doctor

as well, that I could feel spasms,right behind that last rib, now

that the pain wasn't there.

The doc was still convinced I had kidney stones, and sent me to get

my kidney stones flushed with a half hours worth of radiation

exposures so that they could track the kidney stone on the way out.

And then had the gall (pun intended) to tell me I could leave because

I must have flushed the kidney stones since they weren't detected.

I'm no expert and I wish I could reference where I have read this

before, about the gall bladder spasm causing the most excruciating

pain, I have ever known, but I can't recall. But I do believe all

the hard driving advice from others in these forums to give the body

the right fats, which have been listed before, so I won't make myself

redundant.

There is one thing that I have found to be somewhat amazing. These

lifestyle changes that I like most of you had to do on this road to

recovery, are now permanent, and I want it that way, I feel better.

I have come across folks, that defy common sense, will take these

changes that help our bodies, and attempt to integrate, for example

the recommended fats, with the junk that makes the body sick, and

expect some benefit, or at least healing, out of that.

juan

>

> This question was posed recently and I forwarded it to my ....

[Guest guest]

I would love to know which enzyme the gallbladder produces to " break down "

the fats. As far as I know this is not a productive organ, but as the Chinese

model suggests, an " organ of transportation " . Are there secretory cells that

produce this enzyme? Maybe best not to ask these questions of your ND, they may

be out of her league. If the large amount of fat (oil) stimulate an attack

because of the lack of a gallbladder produced " enzyme " , then your flush with

that God awful amount of oil would still stimulate an attack. No?

The large amount of oil most likely does not bend you over double for

several reasons. First if you are doing apple juice, lecithin, malic acid or

the like, you may have softened or dissolved that unwanted mass to some extent

(pardon my graphic nature but have you experienced an excruciating bowel

movement that was hard and dry but of seemingly normal size?). But for sure,

those Epsom salts or other form of magnesium have relaxed the smooth muscle that

is prone to going into contraction when you consume let's say 4 to 8 ounces of

olive oil. Who in this group has not prayed (or been concerned) as they sucked

that oil down for the first time that it not trigger another attack? How many

attacks have been triggered?

While there is a possibility that your ND's answer has been altered in the

translation, the caveat emptor here is that having a MD, ND, OD, or any other

number of letter combinations after your name does not guarantee accurate

knowledge base.

No one has all of the answers.

It is kind of like the revisiting (add nauseum) the issue of whether the

green blobs are " gallstones " or not... Who cares! The questions are: Do you

feel better? Are your symptoms reduced? Are you living a longer, healthier,

more enjoyable life? Is your entire family under less stress?

The majority of people have a positive response to the above questions. It

would seem prudent to attempt some of the measures described within this group

before having someone cut a whole in you and extracting a " God given " (please do

not assume a " religious " dogma) organ. If this stuff doesn't work, that option,

and sometimes a lifesaving one, is always available.

Bon Appetite.

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:19 PM

Subject: My N.D. answered question

This question was posed recently and I forwarded it to my N.D. and said

I'd post her reply if/when I got one. First the question and then her

answer. At this point, I'm puzzled by her answer and will ask for more

clarification. I'll follow up with her reply if/when I get one.

I don't understand.If gall bladdra ttack is caused by fatty foods,why

does taking such large amounts of an oil not cause an attack???

Gall bladder attacks are not caused by fat. The gall bladder stops or

reduces it's production of the enzyme to break down fat; therefore, due

to this deficiency, increased fat content will result in over load--- " an

attack " . The cause - low enzyme level (due to blockage, or collected

stones, etc) The effect - inability to breakdown fat. The result -- too

much fat equals PAIN

Amber

[Guest guest]

No, my N.D.'s answer was verbatim. I copied the email exactly.

Amber

Dave Shelden wrote:

> I would love to know which enzyme the gallbladder produces to " break

> down " the fats. As far as I know this is not a productive organ, but

> as the Chinese model suggests, an " organ of transportation " . Are there

> secretory cells that produce this enzyme? If the large amount of fat

> (oil) stimulate an attack because of the lack of a gallbladder

> produced " enzyme " , then your flush with that God awful amount of oil

> would still stimulate an attack. No?

>

> The large amount of oil most likely does not bend you over double for

> several reasons. First if you are doing apple juice, lecithin, malic

> acid or the like, you may have softened or dissolved that unwanted

> mass to some extent (pardon my graphic nature but have you experienced

> an excruciating bowel movement that was hard and dry but of seemingly

> normal size?). But for sure, those Epsom salts or other form of

> magnesium have relaxed the smooth muscle that is prone to going into

> contraction when you consume let's say 4 to 8 ounces of olive oil. Who

> in this group has not prayed (or been concerned) as they sucked that

> oil down for the first time that it not trigger another attack? How

> many attacks have been triggered?

>

> While there is a possibility that your ND's answer has been altered in

> the translation, the caveat emptor here is that having a MD, ND, OD,

> or any other number of letter combinations after your name does not

> guarantee accurate knowledge base.

>

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