Re: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

[Guest guest]

I think people come here because they want advice, they have questions and

they don't know who else to turn to. You would think a gallbladder group

would be where to go to get questions answered, not to be attacked. The

group is for gallstones, it is not called " only post here if you are against

gallbladder removal " .

I think we should all be gracious to people when they come here with

questions. After all we look more knowledgeable when we answer questions

politely. I don't think I would trust the advice given here if attacked in

this manner.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2007 3:45:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

vespermg@... writes:

Do most people take magnesium malate? Some websites say magnesium

citrate is the best....or even the calcium/magnesium supplement

together.

If I seemed rude to someone, then I apologize. My comment about a

cholesterol-lowering drug was in my opinion. Many of those drugs are dangerous

and

totally unnecessary. Many of the heart medications don't work as good as

magnesium, which we all seriously need. You think I'm kidding? Study about it

for a while. You'll see what I'm talking about. It helps your brain, protects

the blood-brain barrier to keep toxins from entering your brain. It helps

your short-term and long-term memory. I didn't realize the importance of it

until I started researching it. I had taken it before when I had a GB and

didn't even realize the importance of it. Even places that put out vitamins

put

it in their calcium as an afterthought. However, it's much more important

than that.

The difference is magnesium malate? I don't know who wrote this. Malate is

the malic acid. It's easier on your stomach than citrate. The malate works

with the magnesium and gets into your joints, muscles and your body absorbs

it easier. It breaks up the lactic acid buildup. It's great for any kind of

body ache or spasm, headaches. Just wonderful! Great on the liver, the

heart, kidneys.

Mg Citrate is good too. More of it causes a laxative effect. Both of these

kinds your body absorb better, but the sustained release Mg Malate is great

for causing you not to dump your magnesium. If you're deficient, which most

people are, then taking more Mg citrate can cause you diarrhea. Your body

will dump it if you have diarrhea, and you don't want that to happen because

you need it to build up in your cells.

Susie

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Gabe:

That's the thing, magnesium *deficiency* causes kidney stones. Your

supplement that would cause kidney stones would be calcium unless you have the

proper proportion of mg along with it. Magnesium will strengthen your kidneys,

unless you are suffering already from chronic kidney disease or failure where

you have to have dialysis. Then it's basically too late. You can't take

magnesium to help your kidneys once they are about gone.

We take 500 mg of magnesium per day now: two in the morning, two at

nighttime, and this is about a little over a week for us now on mg malate. I

had

added another pill per day on a few days, which is fine. If you're deficient,

which I was, you might need more. I wouldn't start out with more, though.

You'll be helped by that much.

Go and read the customer reviews of those books that I mentioned: " The

Magnesium Factor, " which I'm expecting in any day now, and " The Miracle of

Magnesium " by Dr. Carolyn Dean. Really read the reviews that people write.

Lots

of people are helped pretty much quickly by adding magnesium. And consider

this, many people now drink bottled water. I do. It cuts your magnesium level

again because it's wonderful for you in water, which it used to be in more

tap water than it is now. If I'm going somewhere, I have my bottled water

instead of a cold drink or whatever, but it doesn't contain the mg. There's an

article, I think, on mgwater.com called " Is Your Bottled Water Killing You? "

Can't remember the exact name.

Susie

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[Guest guest]

Attacked in what manner? -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Traci<mailto:tracic@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:04 AM

Subject: RE: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

I think people come here because they want advice, they have questions and

they don't know who else to turn to. You would think a gallbladder group

would be where to go to get questions answered, not to be attacked. The

group is for gallstones, it is not called " only post here if you are against

gallbladder removal " .

I think we should all be gracious to people when they come here with

questions. After all we look more knowledgeable when we answer questions

politely. I don't think I would trust the advice given here if attacked in

this manner.

[Guest guest]

Well obviously not physically. Maybe more an attack at someone's

intelligence??? Specifically things like this...

>>>Hey, if that's the way you feel about it, go ahead and have the surgery

and then you can come back to us later and tell us how sorry you are. Three

people. Wow!<<<

>>>I am wondering why you are even posting here. Sounds like you have made

up your mind and trying to get the people here to agree with you, to m

ake yourself feel better about your decision. The people here want to

get better, but not by losing body parts.<<<

I really don't want to stir up any trouble on the list, everyone here has

always been a big help to me when I needed it. Surely I am not the only one

who feels rude comments have been made to this person? I just feel we

should all try to be a little more gracious and some responses being made

are just plain rude.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Dave Shelden

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:13 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

Attacked in what manner? -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Traci<mailto:tracic@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:04 AM

Subject: RE: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

I think people come here because they want advice, they have questions and

they don't know who else to turn to. You would think a gallbladder group

would be where to go to get questions answered, not to be attacked. The

group is for gallstones, it is not called " only post here if you are

against

gallbladder removal " .

I think we should all be gracious to people when they come here with

questions. After all we look more knowledgeable when we answer questions

politely. I don't think I would trust the advice given here if attacked in

this manner.

[Guest guest]

ACtually I did not say that so please do not quote that under my post!

Traci wrote:

> Well obviously not physically. Maybe more an attack at someone's

> intelligence??? Specifically things like this...

>

> >>>Hey, if that's the way you feel about it, go ahead and have the surgery

> and then you can come back to us later and tell us how sorry you are.

> Three

> people. Wow!<<<

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I did not say who the posts were from, Dave asked " attacked in what way " and

I shared that with him. I only copy and pasted some of the comments that

would've been hurtful to me.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of G Murray

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:51 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

ACtually I did not say that so please do not quote that under my post!

[Guest guest]

Too much calcium and not enough magnesium is what causes calcifications

of stones( kidney/gallbladder) It does not have the mg to bind to so it

binds to cholesterol and other matter floating around in the body. thus

stone formation. Malate is a good thing to try. It will thin the bile

somewhat and get it flowing. Really you need a few good oils in the mix

to keep the gall bladder working but it is much better than the animal

fats. That is why olive oil is used for the gallbladder cleanse. You

don't need to do the actual cleanse, just incorporate a few tsp-tbls

into the diet daily. coconut oil, flax oil and olive oils are good

choices.

Flax is a good source of omega 3 essential oil. Borage, pumpkin seed,

evening primrose, hemp and other fish oils like cod liver oil, halibut

liver oil and salmon oils are all good sources of essential fatty

acids. I would rotate them so you are getting a good variation.

If you are deficient your body will use what it needs. After a while

you can them back off a little.

I do work as a pharmacy tech on a pharmacy and have spent years

researching herbals.

G

wrote:

> Definitely wasn't offended on your take on cholesterol meds. As I

> said, lipitor and Tricor messed up my liver. Only slightly, nothing

> permanent, but not happy about that. I'm only taking Omacor now and

> I can't feel bad about taking fish oils.

>

> I'll definitely turn to the mg malate. That extended release stuff

> sounded good...500 mg just sounds like a lot. Has anyone had kidney

> stones after starting high supplements on magnesium?

>

> Gabe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can take it either way. It is available in a gelatin capsule so you

still get the same oil you need to take a couple a day or you can take a

teaspoon of flax oil in a salad dressing or something similar or you can

take a couple of tablespoon of ground up flax seed. All as good as the

other. You have to be careful to only take a limited amount of flax

seed oil per day as it can build up and be toxic after a while. It is

also very good for skin hair and nails. It will make hair shine after a

few weeks.

But like I said before I like to rotate my sources of EFA so you get the

benefits of all different types of oils.

G

wrote:

> can you take flax seed oil via tablet? or is it better to get the

> liquid?

>

>

> >, just incorporate a few tsp-

> tbls

> > into the diet daily. coconut oil, flax oil and olive oils are

> good

> > choices.

> > Flax is a good source of omega 3 essential oil. Borage, pumpkin

> seed,

> > evening primrose, hemp and other fish oils like cod liver oil,

> halibut

> > liver oil and salmon oils are all good sources of essential fatty

> > acids. I would rotate them so you are getting a good variation.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thaks

----- Original Message -----

From: Traci<mailto:tracic@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:45 PM

Subject: RE: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

Well obviously not physically. Maybe more an attack at someone's

intelligence??? Specifically things like this...

>>>Hey, if that's the way you feel about it, go ahead and have the surgery

and then you can come back to us later and tell us how sorry you are. Three

people. Wow!<<<

>>>I am wondering why you are even posting here. Sounds like you have made

up your mind and trying to get the people here to agree with you, to m

ake yourself feel better about your decision. The people here want to

get better, but not by losing body parts.<<<

I really don't want to stir up any trouble on the list, everyone here has

always been a big help to me when I needed it. Surely I am not the only one

who feels rude comments have been made to this person? I just feel we

should all try to be a little more gracious and some responses being made

are just plain rude.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

[mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones >] On

Behalf Of Dave Shelden

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:13 PM

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Subject: Re: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

Attacked in what manner? -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Traci<mailto:tracic@...<mailto:tracic@...>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:04 AM

Subject: RE: Re: (to G) People who had surgery

I think people come here because they want advice, they have questions and

they don't know who else to turn to. You would think a gallbladder group

would be where to go to get questions answered, not to be attacked. The

group is for gallstones, it is not called " only post here if you are

against

gallbladder removal " .

I think we should all be gracious to people when they come here with

questions. After all we look more knowledgeable when we answer questions

politely. I don't think I would trust the advice given here if attacked in

this manner.