Re: Flip side opinion !(maybe unpopular here!)

[Guest guest]

Hi Len,

Glad to hear you had a successful outcome. I had mine out and later my

vitamin D level reached the lowest my doctor had seen in her practice. The

gallbladder does more that we think the liver does much now but the bile I

understand now drips into the small intestine a possible cancer causing risk for

me also the diarhea I experience. Strange-I wish I didn't do it and did a flush

instead. Just thought I would weigh in on this topic since I had experience.

~Sabina

Len <rphworld@...> wrote:

Hi all!

Let me say this is a very informative group and I've been reading and

studying here for exactly one year, since my first and only gb attack.

After careful considerations of the pros and cons, I had the lap.

surgery on Wed morning. I am a Registered Pharmacist and would like

to think that I made an informed decision.

My " procedure " was done here in Long Island, at North Shore

University Hospital, which some say has one of the best reputations

for patient care, in this country.(There are published rankings on

this which you can check). The surgeon was the Chief of Lap Surgery

there, and has done such advanced lap surgery such as hysterictomies,

and overian malignent tumor removal, not to mention over 1000 GB,

since 2005, with 73% being ambulatory, same day release from the

hospital.(I will offer his info for private emailers)

I've had ZERO side effects after 2 days, except for some belly button

discomfort, and was walking around recovery within 2-3 hrs. I would

have been released then, if not for sleep apnea, which they decided

required an overnight stay to monitor,no problem..

I have had moderate to severe lower back pain for the better part of

10 years, as well as limited range of motion from turning my neck, to

bending down to touch the floor to even hygiene in the bathroom.

These problems were attributed to my standing at work, bad

mattress,falling asleep on the couch,being overweight,lack of

supplementation, and bad diet. Here's the point:

As soon as I was aware, in the recovery room:

MY BACK PAIN WAS GONE, and I could turn and bend without seeing stars

anymore!!!!!

I had never had ANY surgery and was scared to death. That was one

reason I delayed. I mentioned the Hospital and Surgeon, not to brag,

but to let some people know, that trusting your selected " team " will

help you eliminate that factor, in making your own decision.

Now, I did try an herbal cocktail of Vitamin E/ Lecithin/ and Omega-3

Fish Oil that provided great relief of all symptoms for most of the

one year that I waited, and I only went to the surgical consult as a

way to complete my thought process, since I felt I would never

subject myself to surgery, and therefore the visit wouldn't scare me,

or otherwise phase me at all. Follow me now, almost finished!!

The surgeon, after exam and sonogram report told me that if I had

only an isolated attack, and no symptoms, he agreed with the forum,

that " we just leave well enough alone, and don't do surgery " .

Everyone has something in their body, and I got up to leave!!!

My case was a little different in that I appeared to have only 1

stone,of enormous measure of 2.8. He showed me documented medical

literature that said that anything over 1.8-2.0 would provide up to a

10x greater risk of developing cancerous changes, within 10-15years.

We were also convinced that flushes would not work on this size,

especially since the back pain was resurging. Again,you may dispute

this, but at that point I felt totally comfortable with my choice.

Moral of the story is: Make your own choice whether it be popular or

unpopular here, or with anyone else. It's your body and you must live

with that choice. Don't take the easy way out, and be swayed by

either side, and PLEASE, do your share of homework, which includes

listening to your body. The surgery was a success for me, if nothing

else, for the relief of the constant back pain and strain.

If the timing is such, that anyone reading would like to persue my

course of action, just write back and let me know. I'm so happy as I

write this, I would just be glad to offer someone else the

possibility from my perspective.....

Healthy Regards;

Len Spitale, R.Ph.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Len,

I am very glad to hear that you had such a positive experience. Your view

and experience is as valid as anyone's and thank you for lending your

perspective. I hope that you continue to be problem free for the rest of your

life. Oh yes, I expect it to be an unpopular one, but then my ears tend to

shrink when I hear an opposing viewpoint.

There are " complications " that can arise in the future, may this never

happen but if they do, we are here to help. All the best, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Len<mailto:rphworld@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:52 PM

Subject: Flip side opinion !(maybe unpopular here!)

Hi all!

Let me say this is a very informative group and I've been reading and

studying here for exactly one year, since my first and only gb attack.

After careful considerations of the pros and cons, I had the lap.

surgery on Wed morning. I am a Registered Pharmacist and would like

to think that I made an informed decision.

My " procedure " was done here in Long Island, at North Shore

University Hospital, which some say has one of the best reputations

for patient care, in this country.(There are published rankings on

this which you can check). The surgeon was the Chief of Lap Surgery

there, and has done such advanced lap surgery such as hysterictomies,

and overian malignent tumor removal, not to mention over 1000 GB,

since 2005, with 73% being ambulatory, same day release from the

hospital.(I will offer his info for private emailers)

I've had ZERO side effects after 2 days, except for some belly button

discomfort, and was walking around recovery within 2-3 hrs. I would

have been released then, if not for sleep apnea, which they decided

required an overnight stay to monitor,no problem..

I have had moderate to severe lower back pain for the better part of

10 years, as well as limited range of motion from turning my neck, to

bending down to touch the floor to even hygiene in the bathroom.

These problems were attributed to my standing at work, bad

mattress,falling asleep on the couch,being overweight,lack of

supplementation, and bad diet. Here's the point:

As soon as I was aware, in the recovery room:

MY BACK PAIN WAS GONE, and I could turn and bend without seeing stars

anymore!!!!!

I had never had ANY surgery and was scared to death. That was one

reason I delayed. I mentioned the Hospital and Surgeon, not to brag,

but to let some people know, that trusting your selected " team " will

help you eliminate that factor, in making your own decision.

Now, I did try an herbal cocktail of Vitamin E/ Lecithin/ and Omega-3

Fish Oil that provided great relief of all symptoms for most of the

one year that I waited, and I only went to the surgical consult as a

way to complete my thought process, since I felt I would never

subject myself to surgery, and therefore the visit wouldn't scare me,

or otherwise phase me at all. Follow me now, almost finished!!

The surgeon, after exam and sonogram report told me that if I had

only an isolated attack, and no symptoms, he agreed with the forum,

that " we just leave well enough alone, and don't do surgery " .

Everyone has something in their body, and I got up to leave!!!

My case was a little different in that I appeared to have only 1

stone,of enormous measure of 2.8. He showed me documented medical

literature that said that anything over 1.8-2.0 would provide up to a

10x greater risk of developing cancerous changes, within 10-15years.

We were also convinced that flushes would not work on this size,

especially since the back pain was resurging. Again,you may dispute

this, but at that point I felt totally comfortable with my choice.

Moral of the story is: Make your own choice whether it be popular or

unpopular here, or with anyone else. It's your body and you must live

with that choice. Don't take the easy way out, and be swayed by

either side, and PLEASE, do your share of homework, which includes

listening to your body. The surgery was a success for me, if nothing

else, for the relief of the constant back pain and strain.

If the timing is such, that anyone reading would like to persue my

course of action, just write back and let me know. I'm so happy as I

write this, I would just be glad to offer someone else the

possibility from my perspective.....

Healthy Regards;

Len Spitale, R.Ph.

[Guest guest]

You mentioned a size of " 2.8 " . Is that centimeters? My ultrasound

indicates a stone 4.1 cm in diameter. That's more than 1 1/2 " ! They

want to do surgery, but it's given me no trouble since last August

when I spent 6 days in the hospital with an attack.

Should I just get on with the surgery, or continue to manage it as I

have done for the last 1/2 year?

Laurel

>

> My case was a little different in that I appeared to have only 1

> stone,of enormous measure of 2.8. He showed me documented medical

> literature that said that anything over 1.8-2.0 would provide up to a

> 10x greater risk of developing cancerous changes, within 10-15years.

> We were also convinced that flushes would not work on this size,

> especially since the back pain was resurging. Again,you may dispute

> this, but at that point I felt totally comfortable with my choice.

[Guest guest]

If you have managed well for half a year, keep on doing what you are

doing. I had one and only one attack a year ago March 12 and I still

have my GB and am doing fine. There are repercussions to having

surgery. You will be constantly dripping bile which can lead to

cancer. The GB serves a function in emulsifying fat in the diet. Don't

jump to having it removed unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.

Amber

Laurel wrote:

>

>

> Should I just get on with the surgery, or continue to manage it as I

> have done for the last 1/2 year?

>

> l

> <mailto:gallstones%40>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Yes, that is 2.8 CM. As it was explained to me, the future risk of

tissue transformation into malignant cells, with a stone of that

size, far outweighs the potential to develop cancer, than does the

removal of the gb. It seems that just the motion and friction of such

a large stone, on surrounding tissues, can cause these cellular

abnormalities. Even if a flush was successful, and I don't believe it

can be on that sized stone, your propensity to reform more stones of

the same size will now always exist.

-Laurel, I fully expect the folks here will find a million ways to

disarm my train of thought on this. Believe me, I'm no fan of

surgery,never had one, and was deathly afraid of being put under

anesthesia. I am open minded and even " attacked " in my own Pharmacy

practice for embracing such things as herbal remedies and disputing

the efficacy of generic drugs, when we are supposed to push them!

I'm just of the opinion, that in my case (and probably yours),

surgery was the solution. Had my stones been smaller, and I wasn't

constantly reminded about lower back aches and pains, I too, would

have left well enough alone.. In re-reading your post, I see that you

spent 6 days in the hospital with an attack? I spent 6 hrs, and that

was another deciding factor!! Spend a little time speaking with MANY

surgeons about this situation. Your stone would wreak absolute havoc

should it get stuck in a duct, so yes, I am bias; I'll admit it!!

I wish you good health and a good solution!,,,,,,Len...

-- In gallstones , " Laurel " <lschoenrank@...> wrote:

>

> You mentioned a size of " 2.8 " . Is that centimeters? My ultrasound

> indicates a stone 4.1 cm in diameter. That's more than 1 1/2 " ! They

> want to do surgery, but it's given me no trouble since last August

> when I spent 6 days in the hospital with an attack.

>

> Should I just get on with the surgery, or continue to manage it as

I

> have done for the last 1/2 year?

>

> Laurel

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Len

That is great to hear! I thought your opinion was spot on. I had my GB

removed in the ER, I had no time to research anything. I may have found out

surgery was my option after all, but unfortunately mine didn't turn out fine. I

did feel ok for a couple of weeks, and now I have been sick ever since. Over a

year.

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

Hi Len,

I am very glad to hear that you had such a positive experience. Your view and

experience is as valid as anyone's and thank you for lending your perspective. I

hope that you continue to be problem free for the rest of your life. Oh yes, I

expect it to be an unpopular one, but then my ears tend to shrink when I hear an

opposing viewpoint.

There are " complications " that can arise in the future, may this never happen

but if they do, we are here to help. All the best, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Len

gallstones

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:52 PM

Subject: Flip side opinion !(maybe unpopular here!)

Hi all!

Let me say this is a very informative group and I've been reading and

studying here for exactly one year, since my first and only gb attack.

After careful considerations of the pros and cons, I had the lap.

surgery on Wed morning. I am a Registered Pharmacist and would like

to think that I made an informed decision.

My " procedure " was done here in Long Island, at North Shore

University Hospital, which some say has one of the best reputations

for patient care, in this country.(There are published rankings on

this which you can check). The surgeon was the Chief of Lap Surgery

there, and has done such advanced lap surgery such as hysterictomies,

and overian malignent tumor removal, not to mention over 1000 GB,

since 2005, with 73% being ambulatory, same day release from the

hospital.(I will offer his info for private emailers)

I've had ZERO side effects after 2 days, except for some belly button

discomfort, and was walking around recovery within 2-3 hrs. I would

have been released then, if not for sleep apnea, which they decided

required an overnight stay to monitor,no problem..

I have had moderate to severe lower back pain for the better part of

10 years, as well as limited range of motion from turning my neck, to

bending down to touch the floor to even hygiene in the bathroom.

These problems were attributed to my standing at work, bad

mattress,falling asleep on the couch,being overweight,lack of

supplementation, and bad diet. Here's the point:

As soon as I was aware, in the recovery room:

MY BACK PAIN WAS GONE, and I could turn and bend without seeing stars

anymore!!!!!

I had never had ANY surgery and was scared to death. That was one

reason I delayed. I mentioned the Hospital and Surgeon, not to brag,

but to let some people know, that trusting your selected " team " will

help you eliminate that factor, in making your own decision.

Now, I did try an herbal cocktail of Vitamin E/ Lecithin/ and Omega-3

Fish Oil that provided great relief of all symptoms for most of the

one year that I waited, and I only went to the surgical consult as a

way to complete my thought process, since I felt I would never

subject myself to surgery, and therefore the visit wouldn't scare me,

or otherwise phase me at all. Follow me now, almost finished!!

The surgeon, after exam and sonogram report told me that if I had

only an isolated attack, and no symptoms, he agreed with the forum,

that " we just leave well enough alone, and don't do surgery " .

Everyone has something in their body, and I got up to leave!!!

My case was a little different in that I appeared to have only 1

stone,of enormous measure of 2.8. He showed me documented medical

literature that said that anything over 1.8-2.0 would provide up to a

10x greater risk of developing cancerous changes, within 10-15years.

We were also convinced that flushes would not work on this size,

especially since the back pain was resurging. Again,you may dispute

this, but at that point I felt totally comfortable with my choice.

Moral of the story is: Make your own choice whether it be popular or

unpopular here, or with anyone else. It's your body and you must live

with that choice. Don't take the easy way out, and be swayed by

either side, and PLEASE, do your share of homework, which includes

listening to your body. The surgery was a success for me, if nothing

else, for the relief of the constant back pain and strain.

If the timing is such, that anyone reading would like to persue my

course of action, just write back and let me know. I'm so happy as I

write this, I would just be glad to offer someone else the

possibility from my perspective.....

Healthy Regards;

Len Spitale, R.Ph.

[Guest guest]

Hi Len!

Thanks for sharing us of your experience. I just hope you'll never regret your

decision. Of course I understand that anyone whose under annoying pain for quite

sometime would try any means to be free from it and praise the high heavens for

that (meantime) . Am just thinking aloud, could the easing out of your backpains

and neck pains be attributed to the removal of your ailing GB or did it benefit

from the drugs or medicines that were administered due to the surgery. Do anyone

here share same thought? Len, You'll be our good source of information of the

post effects of GB surgery. Please keep us posted. and here, watch your diet,

remember you've got not GB to help in the digestion process.

Elsie

Len <rphworld@...> wrote:

Hi all!

Let me say this is a very informative group and I've been reading and

studying here for exactly one year, since my first and only gb attack.

After careful considerations of the pros and cons, I had the lap.

surgery on Wed morning. I am a Registered Pharmacist and would like

to think that I made an informed decision.

My " procedure " was done here in Long Island, at North Shore

University Hospital, which some say has one of the best reputations

for patient care, in this country.(There are published rankings on

this which you can check). The surgeon was the Chief of Lap Surgery

there, and has done such advanced lap surgery such as hysterictomies,

and overian malignent tumor removal, not to mention over 1000 GB,

since 2005, with 73% being ambulatory, same day release from the

hospital.(I will offer his info for private emailers)

I've had ZERO side effects after 2 days, except for some belly button

discomfort, and was walking around recovery within 2-3 hrs. I would

have been released then, if not for sleep apnea, which they decided

required an overnight stay to monitor,no problem..

I have had moderate to severe lower back pain for the better part of

10 years, as well as limited range of motion from turning my neck, to

bending down to touch the floor to even hygiene in the bathroom.

These problems were attributed to my standing at work, bad

mattress,falling asleep on the couch,being overweight,lack of

supplementation, and bad diet. Here's the point:

As soon as I was aware, in the recovery room:

MY BACK PAIN WAS GONE, and I could turn and bend without seeing stars

anymore!!!!!

I had never had ANY surgery and was scared to death. That was one

reason I delayed. I mentioned the Hospital and Surgeon, not to brag,

but to let some people know, that trusting your selected " team " will

help you eliminate that factor, in making your own decision.

Now, I did try an herbal cocktail of Vitamin E/ Lecithin/ and Omega-3

Fish Oil that provided great relief of all symptoms for most of the

one year that I waited, and I only went to the surgical consult as a

way to complete my thought process, since I felt I would never

subject myself to surgery, and therefore the visit wouldn't scare me,

or otherwise phase me at all. Follow me now, almost finished!!

The surgeon, after exam and sonogram report told me that if I had

only an isolated attack, and no symptoms, he agreed with the forum,

that " we just leave well enough alone, and don't do surgery " .

Everyone has something in their body, and I got up to leave!!!

My case was a little different in that I appeared to have only 1

stone,of enormous measure of 2.8. He showed me documented medical

literature that said that anything over 1.8-2.0 would provide up to a

10x greater risk of developing cancerous changes, within 10-15years.

We were also convinced that flushes would not work on this size,

especially since the back pain was resurging. Again,you may dispute

this, but at that point I felt totally comfortable with my choice.

Moral of the story is: Make your own choice whether it be popular or

unpopular here, or with anyone else. It's your body and you must live

with that choice. Don't take the easy way out, and be swayed by

either side, and PLEASE, do your share of homework, which includes

listening to your body. The surgery was a success for me, if nothing

else, for the relief of the constant back pain and strain.

If the timing is such, that anyone reading would like to persue my

course of action, just write back and let me know. I'm so happy as I

write this, I would just be glad to offer someone else the

possibility from my perspective.....

Healthy Regards;

Len Spitale, R.Ph.

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