I am in pain at this very moment!

[Guest guest]

I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

pain subside?

My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

to see if could maintain.

I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

What are the alternatives?

[Guest guest]

Bless your doctor! That is excellent and unexpected advice from a doctor. Good

for her. Please continue to do your research, change your diet, exercise, lose

weight if you need to, etc. Take the A-F Betafood I just wrote about. Eat

beets. Severely limit meat and eggs.

Amber

My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

to see if could maintain.

I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

What are the alternatives?

.

[Guest guest]

Check out www.gallbladderattack.com for suggestions for pain relief and

diet.

Have a blessed day!

Evie Maddox

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of osocristie

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 5:29 PM

gallstones

Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

pain subside?

[Guest guest]

Hi, I just joined yesterday. From what I've been reading, many

gallstones are impossible to spot on x-ray or by catscan.

Many of these " stones " are just fatty clots of cholesterol. They fall

apart out in the air, or probed.

ly, what I'm thinking about is if so many of them are in fact so

soft and maliable... why are they more often zapped with a hot lazer

to melt them, or break them up?

More about me later...but I do NOT want to lose my gallbladder.

>

> I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones).

I

> am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get

a

> sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

> pain subside?

>

> My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

> recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to

me

> to see if could maintain.

> I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

> What are the alternatives?

>

[Guest guest]

There are many alternatives. The archives are full of them. The pain is caused

by contraction of smooth muscle, any muscle relaxant should give relief. In the

herbal world, peppermint oil, wild cherry bark, apricot pit (last 2 my

favorites), valerian, Jamaican dogwood bark (powerful), corydalis, are all good

possibilities. I love the diagnoses of a " defective " gallbladder. No ____! Or

maybe we should take out the no. " Hey Doc, I am having a gallbladder attack. "

" You have a defective gallbladder. That will be a hundred bucks please. " I

could have told you that for half the price and it could land me in jail.

Vegetarian diets are not necessarily the best for gallbladder health and

while the fat avoidance diets try to avoid an attack, they exacerbate the

problem. If your toilet is stopped up, and you turn the water off going into

it, you still cannot flush the toilet even though it cannot overflow. There are

probably better alternatives. Again, the archives are full of them. Check out

the fat stuff by Dale .

Try this also for the pain: put the middle of the palm of your left hand

over where you feel the pain. the heel of your right hand above the fold in the

inguinal (right) of your groin with the fingers to the inside of your leg

(adductors). Laying down is best. do " fours " with your left foot on the inside

of your right knee (heel above, metatarsals below). If it completely relaxes

and you feel a pulse below the knee, or you get bored, move the heel of your

left foot down and touch about 5 o'clock to your right medial meliolus (big

nobby thing on the inside of your foot). Helps a lot for some people. Good

luck, and even better decisions. Always, in all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: osocristie<mailto:osocristie@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:29 PM

Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

pain subside?

My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

to see if could maintain.

I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

What are the alternatives?

[Guest guest]

Some gallstones are fractionable through a type of ultrasound. It depends on

their composition. Ultrasound may not be as innocuous as we are lead to believe

however. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Elaine Gallant<mailto:elainegallant@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: I am in pain at this very moment!

Hi, I just joined yesterday. From what I've been reading, many

gallstones are impossible to spot on x-ray or by catscan.

Many of these " stones " are just fatty clots of cholesterol. They fall

apart out in the air, or probed.

ly, what I'm thinking about is if so many of them are in fact so

soft and maliable... why are they more often zapped with a hot lazer

to melt them, or break them up?

More about me later...but I do NOT want to lose my gallbladder.

>

> I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones).

I

> am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get

a

> sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

> pain subside?

>

> My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

> recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to

me

> to see if could maintain.

> I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

> What are the alternatives?

>

[Guest guest]

the only thing that would help me in the middle of an attack was coptis and

curcoma.but i had stuck stones at the time.

>From: " osocristie " <osocristie@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:29:04 -0000

>

>I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

>am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

>sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

>pain subside?

>

>My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

>recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

>to see if could maintain.

>I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

>What are the alternatives?

>

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Great choices. Both work by stimulating the flow of bile not by relaxing either

the muscle or interfering with the pain/nerve signal. But work well by moving

the " blockage " of bile. Best approach if it will work; not only relieving the

symptom but working on the issue at the same time. -D

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:34 PM

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the only thing that would help me in the middle of an attack was coptis and

curcoma.but i had stuck stones at the time.

>From: " osocristie " <osocristie@...<mailto:osocristie@...>>

>Reply-gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

>gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

>Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:29:04 -0000

>

>I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

>am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

>sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

>pain subside?

>

>My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

>recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

>to see if could maintain.

>I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

>What are the alternatives?

>

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how do you know you had stuck stones? You have a camera to see?

james cal <jcal45@...> wrote:

the only thing that would help me in the middle of an attack was coptis and

curcoma.but i had stuck stones at the time.

>From: " osocristie "

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:29:04 -0000

>

>I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

>am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

>sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

>pain subside?

>

>My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

>recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

>to see if could maintain.

>I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

>What are the alternatives?

>

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Get ;your gb removed then you won't have pain but you will have a slew of other

pain in the butt problems...

Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...> wrote: how do you know you had stuck

stones? You have a camera to see?

james cal <jcal45@...> wrote:

the only thing that would help me in the middle of an attack was coptis and

curcoma.but i had stuck stones at the time.

>From: " osocristie "

>Reply-gallstones

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>Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:29:04 -0000

>

>I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

>am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

>sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

>pain subside?

>

>My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

>recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

>to see if could maintain.

>I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

>What are the alternatives?

>

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From what I've read, having the GB removed is no guarantee that a person will

not have any more pain in that area. They need to clean up their diet to

correct the problem that caused the GB problems in the first place. Without

diet changes, the underlying condition is still there and can still cause

trouble.

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Get ;your gb removed then you won't have pain but you will have a slew of

other pain in the butt problems...

.

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in my case i had similar attcks previously and went to er they confirmed

stones.so when i had the same attack again i knew what was happening.it is

pain that is off the scope for me so i tried all kinds of things but for me

coptis and curcoma was what worked.i had many attacks.

>From: Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: RE: I am in pain at this very moment!

>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:18:33 -0700 (PDT)

>

>how do you know you had stuck stones? You have a camera to see?

>

>james cal <jcal45@...> wrote:

>the only thing that would help me in the middle of an attack was coptis and

>curcoma.but i had stuck stones at the time.

>

> >From: " osocristie "

> >Reply-gallstones

> >gallstones

> >Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

> >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:29:04 -0000

> >

> >I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones). I

> >am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I get a

> >sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help the

> >pain subside?

> >

> >My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB. She

> >recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to me

> >to see if could maintain.

> >I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

> >What are the alternatives?

> >

>

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i am in india.

for the last 3 years, i have no pain. i have two gallstones of 13 and 15mm.

my doctor advised me to have 3 spoons of isapgul husk with three glasses of

water in the morning after breakfast and in the evening after dinner.

the pain stopped from the very next day.

isapgul husk is also availbale in india in tablet form for convenience.

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,

you mentioned curcoma, is this the same as curcummin or better known as

tumeric? IF it is, I have something that is easy to use for a

preparation for a GB flush.

Dr Marshall in Round Rock Texas has this formula on his web site

and I found it and have used it and love it. You do it for 2 months and

then do a GB flush with the olive oil and lemon.

I am fixing to do the oo/lemon thing.

Here is the formula for it.

Liver Flush.

1/2 cup organic tomato juice

2 Tablespoons extra virgin olive oil

1 large garlic pearl, crushed.

1/2 teaspoon turmeric

Mix above ingredients together in blender on high. Drink this mixture as

your first drink in the morning. Wait 15 minutes and drink a second

drink of the same ingredients. Wait 90 minutes before eating or drinking

anything. Repeat once a week for 2 months.

Here is a couple of web sites for his products.

http://www.healthproducts-usa.com/30_hcl_activator.htm

<http://www.healthproducts-usa.com/30_hcl_activator.htm> HCL

activator

http://www.healthproducts-usa.com/30_betaine_hcl.htm

<http://www.healthproducts-usa.com/30_betaine_hcl.htm> HCL/Betine

http://www.healthproducts-usa.com/ <http://www.healthproducts-usa.com/>

Dr Marshall

Healthline products

2000 N. Mays Street, Suite 126 Round Rock, TX 78664 Phone

(800)370-3447 Fax (512)238-0218 Email info@...

<mailto:info@...> There is the information for his web

site and products. I love them because they are the best and are live

products. No excipenants in them.

Hope this helps.

> >Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 00:18:33 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >how do you know you had stuck stones? You have a camera to see?

> >

> >james cal jcal45@... wrote:

> >the only thing that would help me in the middle of an attack was

coptis and

> >curcoma.but i had stuck stones at the time.

> >

> > >From: " osocristie "

> > >Reply-gallstones

> > >gallstones

> > >Subject: I am in pain at this very moment!

> > >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:29:04 -0000

> > >

> > >I had a minor attack 2 nights ago (fatty food related) (no stones).

I

> > >am still feeling pain. I am functional, but every few minutes I

get a

> > >sharp pain and I feel like laying down. What can I take to help

the

> > >pain subside?

> > >

> > >My Dr. said that I do not have any stones, just a defective GB.

She

> > >recommended that I try diet to control the pain. She left it up to

me

> > >to see if could maintain.

> > >I am really thinking surgery is the way to go.

> > >What are the alternatives?

> > >

> >

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> >

> >

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