s Moritz protocal

August 25, 2007

Thanks so much to those who responded to my " Dumb Question " I intend

to follow s Moritz protocal...he says that if you follow it

exactly there is no danger. Does anyone have any suggestions about a

good flushing protocal?

August 27, 2007

I would think twice if I were you. I don't understand how someone can say there

is no

danger to a flush. To me, it's common sense to think that a stone that is too

big can get

lodged in one of the tubes. If that happens, I would think there can be

complications. I live

with gallstones and have adopted a vegatarian diet, eating those things that are

not only

good for me but I understand helps soften the stones and prevent further stones

from

preventing. I also take vitamins that claim to help dissolve them and also take

Lecithin and

Milk thistle for my liver.

I've always been a proponent of following what nature has intended us to eat.

You may

have to live with the stones, but since I've started eating properly, I've had

no problems

whatsoever and I feel great. I understand the vast majority of Americans have

stones. Most

of them are asymptomatic. If you don't want to have your galllbladder removed

(which I'm

also against), you may want to consider just living with them and adopt a

healthier eating

lifestyle.

>

> Thanks so much to those who responded to my " Dumb Question " I intend

> to follow s Moritz protocal...he says that if you follow it

> exactly there is no danger. Does anyone have any suggestions about a

> good flushing protocal?

>

September 2, 2007

Don't know whether to call you or Filmaker..

I think you are right that the Flush has certain risks..and that its definately

possible that a stone could get stuck..

I think good preparation before hand of maybe s everal months is very

useful..like softening the stones up..getting the diet abosuletly tip top..

taking herbs to decongest and support the liver..etc..

i tend to think even the best practitioners miss out things..as they cannot

experience everything..and its always if you have been through something

yourself ..you know the pitfalls.

anne

September 2, 2007

Thanks Anne and filmmaker...you make good points....I plan to take

several months to prepare for the flush....I have been taking milk

thistle and I think I will start the gall cleanse that you

recommended...I also plan to drink lots of apple juice and do a

parasite cleanse. I do not subscribe to the vegetarian diet

however...when you eat a veggie diet you have to eat a lot of grain

and there is a lot of research that ties grain

consumption...particularly gluten grains to degenerative conditions,

autoimmune disease and cancer. I try to eat mosly fruit and veggies

with some gluten free grain and lean free range meat...lots of

coconut oil and sea salt....would appreciate any other tips you have

on preparing for the flush!!

-- In gallstones , " vanadeux " <vanadeux@...> wrote:

>

> Don't know whether to call you or Filmaker..

>

> I think you are right that the Flush has certain risks..and that

its definately possible that a stone could get stuck..

>

> I think good preparation before hand of maybe s everal months is

very useful..like softening the stones up..getting the diet

abosuletly tip top..

>

> taking herbs to decongest and support the liver..etc..

>

> i tend to think even the best practitioners miss out things..as

they cannot experience everything..and its always if you have been

through something yourself ..you know the pitfalls.

>

> anne

>

September 4, 2007

" filmmakr40 " <robert_seoane@...>, Have you ever done this flush? If

not, how can you give " advice? " Just because you choose to live with

gallstones and change your eating habits, doesn't mean that everyone else

should, or does it? You can live without any symptoms of a gallstone

congested liver for years!. Your liver is most often the LAST organ to

complain. Since you suggest quite strongly that there is " Danger to a

flush " , please give us your source/evidence of information. Thank you.

Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: " filmmakr40 " <robert_seoane@...>

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:02 AM

Subject: Re: s Moritz protocal

I don't understand how someone can say there is no

> danger to a flush..

.. Most of them are asymptomatic. If you don't want to have your

galllbladder removed (which I'm

also against), you may want to consider just living with them and adopt a

healthier eating

lifestyle.

>

September 4, 2007

Would you ever advise someone to do something and tell

them it's perfectly safe just because you had no

complications? I have heard of many instances where

people have had gallstones stuck in their ducts and

have had to be rushed to emergency because of an

inflamed gallbladder that required immediate surgery.

I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying it is not

a good thing to take someone's advice just like that

simply because they say it's OK. There are two sides

to every angle and every individual is different. I

much prefer erring in the side of caution then telling

someone to go jump off a cliff because when I did it I

only twisted my ankle.

--- Barbara Leppky <bleppky@...> wrote:

> " filmmakr40 " <robert_seoane@...>, Have you

> ever done this flush? If

> not, how can you give " advice? " Just because you

> choose to live with

> gallstones and change your eating habits, doesn't

> mean that everyone else

> should, or does it? You can live without any

> symptoms of a gallstone

> congested liver for years!. Your liver is most

> often the LAST organ to

> complain. Since you suggest quite strongly that

> there is " Danger to a

> flush " , please give us your source/evidence of

> information. Thank you.

> Barb

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " filmmakr40 " <robert_seoane@...>

> <gallstones >

> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:02 AM

> Subject: Re: s Moritz protocal

>

> I don't understand how someone can say there is no

> > danger to a flush..

>

> . Most of them are asymptomatic. If you don't want

> to have your

> galllbladder removed (which I'm

> also against), you may want to consider just living

> with them and adopt a

> healthier eating

> lifestyle.

> >

>

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September 4, 2007

When someone is rushed to the hospital with the possibility of stones being

stuck, and the medical professional says that it requires immediate surgery,

this is still an opinion opined by a well trained individual trained in a very

specific paradigm/approach. whether it requires immediate surgery or not, is an

opinioned call.. there are plenty of people who have had stones " stuck in the

ducts and passed them without surgery. I am not recommending against surgery,

only pointing out that it is not the do or die scenario that we may be lead to

believe. The side of caution may be to try and save the organ first. Each

individual needs to make their own call and then it should be a well informed

decision. Talking only with an abdominal (abominable?) surgeon will not result

in a fully informed individual. Always, in all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Seoane<mailto:robert_seoane@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:00 AM

Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz protocal

Would you ever advise someone to do something and tell

them it's perfectly safe just because you had no

complications? I have heard of many instances where

people have had gallstones stuck in their ducts and

have had to be rushed to emergency because of an

inflamed gallbladder that required immediate surgery.

I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying it is not

a good thing to take someone's advice just like that

simply because they say it's OK. There are two sides

to every angle and every individual is different. I

much prefer erring in the side of caution then telling

someone to go jump off a cliff because when I did it I

only twisted my ankle.

--- Barbara Leppky <bleppky@...<mailto:bleppky@...>> wrote:

> " filmmakr40 " <robert_seoane@...<mailto:robert_seoane@...>>, Have

you

> ever done this flush? If

> not, how can you give " advice? " Just because you

> choose to live with

> gallstones and change your eating habits, doesn't

> mean that everyone else

> should, or does it? You can live without any

> symptoms of a gallstone

> congested liver for years!. Your liver is most

> often the LAST organ to

> complain. Since you suggest quite strongly that

> there is " Danger to a

> flush " , please give us your source/evidence of

> information. Thank you.

> Barb

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " filmmakr40 " <robert_seoane@...<mailto:robert_seoane@...>>

> <gallstones <mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:02 AM

> Subject: Re: s Moritz protocal

>

> I don't understand how someone can say there is no

> > danger to a flush..

>

> . Most of them are asymptomatic. If you don't want

> to have your

> galllbladder removed (which I'm

> also against), you may want to consider just living

> with them and adopt a

> healthier eating

> lifestyle.

> >

>

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September 5, 2007

Would you use fear tactics to persuade someone not to do something just

because some people have had complications? Each of us has to use our own

disgression. I would rather place myself in the 95% of people who do NOT

have trouble instead of in the 5% that do. And, to compare a liver cleanse

to jumping off a cliff is nonsense.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Seoane " <robert_seoane@...>

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:00 AM

Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz protocal

>

> Would you ever advise someone to do something and tell

> them it's perfectly safe just because you had no

> complications? I have heard of many instances where

> people have had gallstones stuck in their ducts and

> have had to be rushed to emergency because of an

> inflamed gallbladder that required immediate surgery.

> I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying it is not

> a good thing to take someone's advice just like that

> simply because they say it's OK. There are two sides

> to every angle and every individual is different. I

> much prefer erring in the side of caution then telling

> someone to go jump off a cliff because when I did it I

> only twisted my ankle.

September 5, 2007

Fear tactics? You are taking this way too far.

Everyone is encouraging everyone else to go through a

cleanse and I'm simply offering an opposite opinion. I

don't understand why this bothers you. I always

believe in hearing both sides to every story. Of

course whoever wants to go through the cleanse, will.

But there's nothing wrong with hearing a diverse

opinion. Isn't this what this group is supposed to be

about? If it works for people, then I'm glad for them,

but someone has got to come out and give an opposing

viewpoint and I felt that this person, who has opted

to do this, needs to hear from someone who may

disagree.

These are not fear tactics. These are facts. You can

place yourself in any percentile you want. That's

totally up to you. But please don't put a spin on my

right to say how I feel into making people believe

that it's some underhanded tactic. What on earth do I

want to gain from it? This is simple advice that's

contrary to what you believe. Live with it and do what

you think is right, like every other individual with

his or her right to choose and to hear all sides to

every story.

--- Barbara Leppky <bleppky@...> wrote:

> Would you use fear tactics to persuade someone not

> to do something just

> because some people have had complications? Each of

> us has to use our own

> disgression. I would rather place myself in the 95%

> of people who do NOT

> have trouble instead of in the 5% that do. And, to

> compare a liver cleanse

> to jumping off a cliff is nonsense.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Seoane " <robert_seoane@...>

> <gallstones >

> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:00 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz

> protocal

>

> >

> > Would you ever advise someone to do something and

> tell

> > them it's perfectly safe just because you had no

> > complications? I have heard of many instances

> where

> > people have had gallstones stuck in their ducts

> and

> > have had to be rushed to emergency because of an

> > inflamed gallbladder that required immediate

> surgery.

> > I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying it is

> not

> > a good thing to take someone's advice just like

> that

> > simply because they say it's OK. There are two

> sides

> > to every angle and every individual is different.

> I

> > much prefer erring in the side of caution then

> telling

> > someone to go jump off a cliff because when I did

> it I

> > only twisted my ankle.

>

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has a point!! But I uderstand what Barbara mean though!! Just like me,

I wanted to apply the job at local middle school district to help disable kids,

however, after hearing about my idea, my husband, his friends and in law family

jumped!!! Nope, you coudn't. It would be too DANGEROUS for you, this job is

very dangerous!! The kids might bite you or harm you in whatever way!! That

what they thought!! Even they have no idea what the job supposed to do or to be

like yet!! This is just a teacher aid job, no certificate required!! So, I

guess, somehow is not life threating yet!! Oh well! it make me really upset

what some people sometimes just jump into the conclusion without seeing the

fact!! I will try to apply it anyway, it is my right to choose whatever

consequence it is, I will accept it or at least I try out. I did the flush, it

was good results (even it tasted so bad until I vomitted it!), it is not danger

if you follow the direction completely. I found

out that people who complain or have problems with it, sometimes they didn't

follow the direction or method well enough, so gotta be careful about that. GOD

bless all. Ray. & gt;

Would you use fear tactics to persuade someone not & gt; to do something just & gt;

because some people have had complications? Each of & gt; us has to use our own

& gt; disgression. I would rather place myself in the 95% & gt; of people who do

NOT & gt; have trouble instead of in the 5% that do. And, to & gt; compare a liver

cleanse & gt; to jumping off a cliff is nonsense. & gt; ----- Original Message

----- & gt; From: " Seoane " & lt;robert_seoane@... & gt; & gt; To:

& lt;gallstones & gt; & gt; Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:00

AM & gt; Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz & gt; protocal & gt; & gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; & gt; Would you ever advise someone to do something and & gt; tell & gt;

& gt; them it's perfectly safe just because you had no & gt; & gt; complications? I

have heard of many instances & gt; where & gt; & gt; people

have had gallstones stuck in their ducts & gt; and & gt; & gt; have had to be rushed

to emergency because of an & gt; & gt; inflamed gallbladder that required

immediate & gt; surgery. & gt; & gt; I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying it

is & gt; not & gt; & gt; a good thing to take someone's advice just like & gt; that & gt;

& gt; simply because they say it's OK. There are two & gt; sides & gt; & gt; to every

angle and every individual is different. & gt; I & gt; & gt; much prefer erring in

the side of caution then & gt; telling & gt; & gt; someone to go jump off a cliff

because when I did & gt; it I & gt; & gt; only twisted my ankle. & gt; & gt;

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thanks ....I certainly appreciate your post. as one who has

been harmed by both conventional and alternative medicine...I want

to know all the facts before I try some new procedure. I plan to go

forward with the flush...but thanks to this board....I will spend

several months preparing!

>

> > Would you use fear tactics to persuade someone not

> > to do something just

> > because some people have had complications? Each of

> > us has to use our own

> > disgression. I would rather place myself in the 95%

> > of people who do NOT

> > have trouble instead of in the 5% that do. And, to

> > compare a liver cleanse

> > to jumping off a cliff is nonsense.

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Seoane " <robert_seoane@...>

> > <gallstones >

> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:00 AM

> > Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz

> > protocal

> >

> > >

> > > Would you ever advise someone to do something and

> > tell

> > > them it's perfectly safe just because you had no

> > > complications? I have heard of many instances

> > where

> > > people have had gallstones stuck in their ducts

> > and

> > > have had to be rushed to emergency because of an

> > > inflamed gallbladder that required immediate

> > surgery.

> > > I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying it is

> > not

> > > a good thing to take someone's advice just like

> > that

> > > simply because they say it's OK. There are two

> > sides

> > > to every angle and every individual is different.

> > I

> > > much prefer erring in the side of caution then

> > telling

> > > someone to go jump off a cliff because when I did

> > it I

> > > only twisted my ankle.

> >

>

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Youre very welcome. I appreciate your reply. I wish

you luck and please let me know how it goes.

So far the vegatarian diet I've adopted has allowed me

to start introducing animal protein again, even a

little beef every now and then, and now not only am I

feeling great, but I've also lost over 15 pounds in

the last month and I am pain free. I consider this a

healthy lifestyle change that I would never have done

had I not had gallstones, so out of everything bad,

something good does always come out.

I'm still hesitant about the cleanse for myself, but I

have been either drinking apple juice or eating an

apple every day for the last five weeks to soften my

stones and taking Stone Free tablets made of roots

that I showed to my doctor and he approved. I plan to

eat this way for the rest of my life. I may try the

cleanse one day but as long as I'm feeling good, I

don't feel the need to do that or have my gallbladder

removed (my absolutely last option).

Good luck and take good care of yourself.

Regards,

--- CC <cobchc@...> wrote:

> thanks ....I certainly appreciate your post.

> as one who has

> been harmed by both conventional and alternative

> medicine...I want

> to know all the facts before I try some new

> procedure. I plan to go

> forward with the flush...but thanks to this

> board....I will spend

> several months preparing!

>

> >

> > > Would you use fear tactics to persuade someone

> not

> > > to do something just

> > > because some people have had complications?

> Each of

> > > us has to use our own

> > > disgression. I would rather place myself in the

> 95%

> > > of people who do NOT

> > > have trouble instead of in the 5% that do. And,

> to

> > > compare a liver cleanse

> > > to jumping off a cliff is nonsense.

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: " Seoane " <robert_seoane@...>

> > > <gallstones >

> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:00 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz

> > > protocal

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Would you ever advise someone to do something

> and

> > > tell

> > > > them it's perfectly safe just because you had

> no

> > > > complications? I have heard of many instances

> > > where

> > > > people have had gallstones stuck in their

> ducts

> > > and

> > > > have had to be rushed to emergency because of

> an

> > > > inflamed gallbladder that required immediate

> > > surgery.

> > > > I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying

> it is

> > > not

> > > > a good thing to take someone's advice just

> like

> > > that

> > > > simply because they say it's OK. There are two

> > > sides

> > > > to every angle and every individual is

> different.

> > > I

> > > > much prefer erring in the side of caution then

> > > telling

> > > > someone to go jump off a cliff because when I

> did

> > > it I

> > > > only twisted my ankle.

> > >

> >

>

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The first time my husband did the flush I was on pins and needles because I

feared the stones would become lodged. Nothing happened after 2 flushes, not

even a hint of stones. Then, on the 3rd try, sure enough, he developed pain

across his abdomen. I asked him if he wanted to go to the emergency and he

said ab solutely not. Being quite certain the stones had become dislodged

from the liver and were now stuck in the bile ducts, we turned around and

did another cleanse immediately. We also increased the ES to 6 tablespoons

and the olive oil to 1 cup. With each BM he felt the pain descended and

finally disappeared all together. He passed hundreds of stones and many of

them were quite large. I also feel everyone's pain threshhold is different.

What others would consider quite painful, I simply consider discomfort. A

high pain threshold is not always a good thing. I walked around with a

ruptured appendix and didn't even know it. I thought I simply had the

stomach flu. Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz protocal

> When someone is rushed to the hospital with the possibility of stones

> being stuck, and the medical professional says that it requires immediate

> surgery, this is still an opinion opined by a well trained individual

> trained in a very specific paradigm/approach. whether it requires

> immediate surgery or not, is an opinioned call.. there are plenty of

> people who have had stones " stuck in the ducts and passed them without

> surgery. I am not recommending against surgery, only pointing out that it

> is not the do or die scenario that we may be lead to believe. The side of

> caution may be to try and save the organ first. Each individual needs to

> make their own call and then it should be a well informed decision.

> Talking only with an abdominal (abominable?) surgeon will not result in a

> fully informed individual. Always, in all ways, -Dave

September 6, 2007

I have to agree..its not fear tactics..its making people aware of all

angles..not everyone has the experience or nohow to research and find out all

angles..that is why we join these types of groups and help each other with

'suggestions'

nobody holds a gun to anyones head and I am not saying anyone is doing this!

just be aware that the cleansing of course carries a certain amount of risk,

however small we all need to be aware..then we all decide for ourselves how we

wish to proceed, but at least we have as much info as possible prior to our

cleansings..

anne

September 6, 2007

What are the risks with doing a flush? That a stone may get stuck? You run

these " risks " by eating an egg, or stopping at the fast food place because you

are so hungry you decide you cannot wait until you get home. If it happens, and

it is not movable, you can always have the surgical option anytime. The idea

that flushing is dangerous is all made up unless you are in a geographical area

where emergency help is not available if you need it. The medical alternative

is to remove the organ up front. 100% guarantee that you will lose the organ.

Softening and dissolution may very well be a better first approach than

attempting a flush for some or most people if you have the nerve and patience.

-D

----- Original Message -----

From: vanadeux<mailto:vanadeux@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:22 AM

Subject: Re: s Moritz protocal

I have to agree..its not fear tactics..its making people aware of all

angles..not everyone has the experience or nohow to research and find out all

angles..that is why we join these types of groups and help each other with

'suggestions'

nobody holds a gun to anyones head and I am not saying anyone is doing this!

just be aware that the cleansing of course carries a certain amount of risk,

however small we all need to be aware..then we all decide for ourselves how we

wish to proceed, but at least we have as much info as possible prior to our

cleansings..

anne

September 7, 2007

Ray, you can improve the taste of the Epsom Salt solution by using

organic apple juice instead of water. I also use grapefruit juice with the

olive oil instead of lemon juice. That is what Dr. Hulda promotes.

Barb

" I used to eat all natural foods, until I found out most people die of

natural causes. " Unknown

----- Original Message -----

From: " Follower " <gods_kid@...>

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:42 PM

Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz protocal

> has a point!! But I uderstand what Barbara mean though!! Just like

> me, I wanted to apply the job at local middle school district to help

> disable kids, however, after hearing about my idea, my husband, his

> friends and in law family jumped!!! Nope, you coudn't. It would be too

> DANGEROUS for you, this job is very dangerous!! The kids might bite you

> or harm you in whatever way!! That what they thought!! Even they have no

> idea what the job supposed to do or to be like yet!! This is just a

> teacher aid job, no certificate required!! So, I guess, somehow is not

> life threating yet!! Oh well! it make me really upset what some people

> sometimes just jump into the conclusion without seeing the fact!! I will

> try to apply it anyway, it is my right to choose whatever consequence it

> is, I will accept it or at least I try out. I did the flush, it was good

> results (even it tasted so bad until I vomitted it!), it is not danger if

> you follow the direction completely. I found

> out that people who complain or have problems with it, sometimes they

> didn't follow the direction or method well enough, so gotta be careful

> about that. GOD bless all. Ray

September 7, 2007

Hi Barbara..

Thanks so much for your suggest, I will try the flush this Monday and let you

know.

Yes, I have problem drinking that Epsom salt and it made tear in my eyes

everytime (I did three times already long time ago). How you get rid of the

smell of olive oil when you try to drink it though? Any suggestiong? I had

problem with the smell also. I know it is good for me to clean though because

after the terrible night of flush, the next day, I felt good and also my belly

flated!!

One more when you said to mix epsom salt with apple juice, is that still work

well like with water? I would like to try if it does.

PS. what does this mean though? Could you explain for me? Just confused!!

" I used to eat all natural foods, until I found out most people die of natural

causes. " Unknown

Thanks everyone to help me find this group and the cleanse and share some

experiences to each other.

GOD bless all.

Ray )

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For some reason, that just cracked me up!

Amber

" I used to eat all natural foods, until I found out most people die of natural

causes. " Unknown

.

September 8, 2007

Good; it was meant to. :-)

----- Original Message -----

From: " Amber " <amber@...>

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:18 PM

Subject: Re: s Moritz protocal

> For some reason, that just cracked me up!

>

> Amber

>

> " I used to eat all natural foods, until I found out most people die of

> natural causes. " Unknown

>

September 8, 2007

I'm not sure how to mask the smell of the olive oil. Maybe pinch your

nostrils while you drink the olive oil and then rinse your mouth with a

peppermint flavored mouthwash??? Yes, mixing the Epsom Salts with organic

apple juice is just as effective as mixing it with water. I learned that

from www.curezone.com just this year. As for the quote - " I used to eat

all natural foods, until I found out most people die of natural causes " is a

play on words; also known as a pun. In other words, it's meant to be a

joke. The key word here is " natural. " To eat " natural " foods means they

are chemical free; NOTHING has contaminated the food. To die of " natural "

causes sort of means to die of NOTHING. In other words, no " cause " of death

can be found. I hope I explained that well enough for you to get the joke.

Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: " Follower " <gods_kid@...>

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: s Moritz protocal

>

> Hi Barbara..

> Thanks so much for your suggest, I will try the flush this Monday and let

> you know.

> Yes, I have problem drinking that Epsom salt and it made tear in my eyes

> everytime (I did three times already long time ago). How you get rid of

> the smell of olive oil when you try to drink it though? Any suggestiong?

> I had problem with the smell also. I know it is good for me to clean

> though because after the terrible night of flush, the next day, I felt

> good and also my belly flated!!

> One more when you said to mix epsom salt with apple juice, is that still

> work well like with water? I would like to try if it does.

> PS. what does this mean though? Could you explain for me? Just

> confused!!

> " I used to eat all natural foods, until I found out most people die of

> natural causes. " Unknown

> Thanks everyone to help me find this group and the cleanse and share some

> experiences to each other.

> GOD bless all.

> Ray )

>

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September 8, 2007

I totally agree that you run the same risk of getting

a stuck gallstone by eating an egg or going to a fast

food restaurant, or eating any large quantity of

saturated fat for that matter. That's why I don't do

any of those things. I suppose that, unlike so many

others, I simply just don't want to risk having to go

to emergency for any reason, no matter how close it is

to me. Besides the fact that my insurance carrier only

pays for 75% of any emergency issue, it's not my idea

of spending a fun evening.

I'll continue on my new eating habits and will report

online if I ever have any gallstone problems. So far

it's been six weeks and everything is A-OK. I eat

apples and drink apple juice daily to soften my stones

and take special vitamins that my doctor approved in

the hopes that they will also break apart. Further, I

imagine that with my new habits, I've also stopped

developing new gallstones. Only time will tell.

Your on-the-spot gallstone reporter,

Me

--- Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

> What are the risks with doing a flush? That a stone

> may get stuck? You run these " risks " by eating an

> egg, or stopping at the fast food place because you

> are so hungry you decide you cannot wait until you

> get home. If it happens, and it is not movable, you

> can always have the surgical option anytime. The

> idea that flushing is dangerous is all made up

> unless you are in a geographical area where

> emergency help is not available if you need it. The

> medical alternative is to remove the organ up front.

> 100% guarantee that you will lose the organ.

> Softening and dissolution may very well be a better

> first approach than attempting a flush for some or

> most people if you have the nerve and patience. -D

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: vanadeux<mailto:vanadeux@...>

> To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

>

> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:22 AM

> Subject: Re: s Moritz protocal

>

> I have to agree..its not fear tactics..its making

> people aware of all angles..not everyone has the

> experience or nohow to research and find out all

> angles..that is why we join these types of groups

> and help each other with 'suggestions'

>

> nobody holds a gun to anyones head and I am not

> saying anyone is doing this! just be aware that the

> cleansing of course carries a certain amount of

> risk, however small we all need to be aware..then we

> all decide for ourselves how we wish to proceed, but

> at least we have as much info as possible prior to

> our cleansings..

>

> anne

>

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> removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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September 8, 2007

Hey! Barbara.. Well! Got it!! sorry, I am kind of slow person and my friends

and my family always tease me often and called me gullible. I didn't even know

at that time what's that mean? haha ha..) Have a great day, God bless and

thanks a lot.--- On Fri 09/07, Barbara Leppky & lt; bleppky@... & gt;

wrote:From: Barbara Leppky [mailto: bleppky@...]To:

gallstones@...: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:32:58 -0500Subject: Re:

Re: s Moritz protocal

I'm not sure how to mask the smell of the olive oil. Maybe pinch your nostrils

while you drink the olive oil and then rinse your mouth with a peppermint

flavored mouthwash??? Yes, mixing the Epsom Salts with organic apple juice is

just as effective as mixing it with water. I learned that from www.curezone.com

just this year. As for the quote - " I used to eat all natural foods, until I

found out most people die of natural causes " is a play on words; also known as a

pun. In other words, it's meant to be a joke. The key word here is " natural. " To

eat " natural " foods means they are chemical free; NOTHING has contaminated the

food. To die of " natural " causes sort of means to die of NOTHING. In other

words, no " cause " of death can be found. I hope I explained that well enough for

you to get the joke. Barb----- Original Message ----- From: " Follower "

& lt;gods_kid@... & gt; & lt;gallstones & gt;Sent: Friday,

September 07, 2007 2:14 PMSubject: Re: Re:

s Moritz protocal & gt; & gt; & gt; Hi Barbara.. & gt; Thanks so much for your

suggest, I will try the flush this Monday and let & gt; you know. & gt; Yes, I have

problem drinking that Epsom salt and it made tear in my eyes & gt; everytime (I

did three times already long time ago). How you get rid of & gt; the smell of

olive oil when you try to drink it though? Any suggestiong? & gt; I had problem

with the smell also. I know it is good for me to clean & gt; though because after

the terrible night of flush, the next day, I felt & gt; good and also my belly

flated!! & gt; One more when you said to mix epsom salt with apple juice, is that

still & gt; work well like with water? I would like to try if it does. & gt; PS.

what does this mean though? Could you explain for me? Just & gt; confused!! & gt;

" I used to eat all natural foods, until I found out most people die of & gt;

natural causes. " Unknown & gt; Thanks everyone to help me find this group and the

cleanse and share some & gt; experiences to

each other. & gt; GOD bless all. & gt; Ray

) & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

_______________________________________________ & gt; No banners. No pop-ups. No

kidding. & gt; Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com & gt; & gt; & gt;

September 9, 2007

A large stone or group of stones stuck in a bile duct during a cleanse DOES NOT

REQUIRE being rushed to the hospital and having major SURGERY. Stones getting

stuck during a cleans happens to me occasionally and IT IS PAINFUL. I know what

to do immediately - take another dose of epsom salts - the bile duct relaxes,

the stones are very rapidly eliminated, pain gone WITHOUT PANICKING AND RUSHING

TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM - this is just insanity and the epitome of ignorance....

Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: