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Hello

I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back

with a positive result.

Dr P has given me a protocol on how to treat it and one of them is by

taking an over the counter antifungal called Flouconzole.

He said to take one a week for 3 weeks.

It does say however that " A rapid die off of candida may promote

symptoms of general toxicity with collapse, headaches, bowel upsets.

This " Herxheimer Reaction " will pass in a day or so.

I am particulary worried about the collapse part of this.

What experience or knowledge of

this do you have?

Thanks

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I hope so Sheila, I really do! I just dont want to add to my symptoms, but Ive got this far I know I have to carry on with it, the candida is probably something I have had for a long time. I will go and buy the anti fungal tomorrow that Dr P said and start getting rid of these damn things! In the protocol it said to cut down on carbs and sugar, what can I eat that is ok while I am treating the candida?

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>Subject: Re: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 7:46 PM

Anybody treating Candida should get a reaction with the 'die-off'. It has to go somewhere, and as it is driving out of your system, you are going to feel the effect. The thing is , you are warned about this, so when it does happen, don't think it is another awful, 'orrible symptom that is happening to you, and remember, after a few days, you are going to feel quite amazing. Honestly, stick with this and it will be worth it.

luv - Sheila

Hi ,I've no experience with the Herxheimer reaction; others certainly have.A general toxic overload would put stress on your liver (for de-tox) and possibly your kidneys as well......best wishesBob>> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back > with a positive result.No virus found in this incoming message.

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Hi Mo

Thanks for your reply, I am going to buy the anti fungal and do it, one a week for 3 weeks, is that what you did?

My results were as follows;

Candida antibodies IgG Negative 3.9U/mL normal range < 10U/mL

Candida antibodies IgA Positive 23.3 U/mL normal range <10U/mL

The POSITIVE IgA antibody response is most often seen during the early stages of an active infection and whilst the infection is still ongoing. This would be indicative of active Candidiasis where symptoms are present.

The NEGATIVE IgG antibody response, suggests that this is a fairly recent infection or that the immune system has not been able to adequately control the infection

From: Mo Osborne <moosborne@...>Subject: Re:Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 6:53 PM

I have recent experience of this though it would depend on the amount of candida you actually have compared to me, I did not do the test.

You can do this! Think how much better you will feel.

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Hi

The email I was writing got sent off before it was ready to go, but I wanted to make the point that all the information on Candida and other associated conditions that you are asking for is either on our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk or in our FILES - including diets you can follow. We spent time uploading information on what we hope will cover most of the problems that people suffer so it is all at your fingertips, so please do use it.

Here is a website where you can buy the cheapest source of Fluconazole. It works well.

http://www.inhousepharmacy.co.uk/infections/generic-diflucan.html?PHPSESSID=805cb829dc7e38277e824c72076befea

Luv - Sheila

Hi Mo

Thanks for your reply, I am going to buy the anti fungal and do it, one a week for 3 weeks, is that what you did?

My results were as follows;

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Look in our FILES - there is a diet that MacDonagh used (I believe she wrote this herself) and also information about what's good and what's not from .

luv - Sheila

I hope so Sheila, I really do! I just dont want to add to my symptoms, but Ive got this far I know I have to carry on with it, the candida is probably something I have had for a long time. I will go and buy the anti fungal tomorrow that Dr P said and start getting rid of these damn things! In the protocol it said to cut down on carbs and sugar, what can I eat that is ok while I am treating the candida?

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Here is an exert from Dr Peatfield's paper on our website. As you are obviously now suffering with this and showing the symptoms mentioned in his paper below, this explains the need, as I mentioned the other day, to temporarily stop your thyroxine in order to give your adrenals a chance to be properly boosted. Go and read all the article. It is excellent for everybody.

http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/thyroid_adrenal_dysfunction.pdf

"...so now you see why thyroid and adrenal hypo-function have to be considered together.Here’s a precept for you. Anyone with undiagnosed or unsatisfactorily treated hypothyroidism will sooner or later inevitably slip into adrenal exhaustion. May take months or years, but it will happen. Symptoms of adrenal exhaustion exaggerate pre-existing thyroid symptoms. There will be ongoing and endless fatigue, even less tolerance to cold, depression, dizziness (postural hypotension), body hair loss, pigmentation (especially in skin folds), poor response to treatments generally and an obviously weak immune system. Most particularly, if there is an adrenal malfunction – I still prefer to call this low adrenal reserve – the patient responds poorly to thyroid hormone, or rapidly gets ill and toxic on even quite small doses of thyroxine."

Luv - Sheila

I hope so Sheila, I really do! I just dont want to add to my symptoms, but Ive got this far I know I have to carry on with it, the candida is probably something I have had for a long time. I will go and buy the anti fungal tomorrow that Dr P said and start getting rid of these damn things! In the protocol it said to cut down on carbs and sugar, what can I eat that is ok while I am treating the candida?

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturnertpa-uk (DOT) org.uk>Subject: Re: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 7:46 PM

Anybody treating Candida should get a reaction with the 'die-off'. It has to go somewhere, and as it is driving out of your system, you are going to feel the effect. The thing is , you are warned about this, so when it does happen, don't think it is another awful, 'orrible symptom that is happening to you, and remember, after a few days, you are going to feel quite amazing. Honestly, stick with this and it will be worth it.

luv - Sheila

Hi ,I've no experience with the Herxheimer reaction; others certainly have.A general toxic overload would put stress on your liver (for de-tox) and possibly your kidneys as well......best wishesBob>> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back > with a positive result.No virus found in this incoming message.

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Sheila

I have been boosting my adrenals with NAE for a month now while still taking the thyroxine, I didnt know I had to stop it. What I want to ask now is there any point in me stopping the thyroxine now after a month on NAE, I have probably got through the worst.

If I do stop do I have to build up the thyroxine or go straight back on the same dose and do you think I should stop bearing in mind I have been taking NAE for a month now? I have got Dr Ps book and read quite a lot of it, but obvioulsy didnt know about boosting the adrenals while stopping thyroxine.Dr P did ask me if I stopped the thyroxine while boosting the adrenals and I said no, he asked how I felt but didnt say anymore

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@ tpa-uk.org. uk>Subject: Re: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Re: Question for BOBthyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) comDate: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 7:46 PM

Anybody treating Candida should get a reaction with the 'die-off'. It has to go somewhere, and as it is driving out of your system, you are going to feel the effect. The thing is , you are warned about this, so when it does happen, don't think it is another awful, 'orrible symptom that is happening to you, and remember, after a few days, you are going to feel quite amazing. Honestly, stick with this and it will be worth it.

luv - Sheila

Hi ,I've no experience with the Herxheimer reaction; others certainly have.A general toxic overload would put stress on your liver (for de-tox) and possibly your kidneys as well......best wishesBob>> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back > with a positive result.No virus found in this incoming message.

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Hi,

I buy my Flouconzole over the counter at Tescos pharmacy. It's £4.99

for the tablet. It's active ingreient (Flouconzole) is identical in

strength to the canesten make or any other make, but is much cheaper.

The Canesten costs about £12.00 and boots own brand isn't much

cheaper. Worth bearing in mind if you have a Tesco with a pharmacy

near you.

Luv Justeen xx

> Hello

> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back

> with a positive result.

> Dr P has given me a protocol on how to treat it and one of them is by

> taking an over the counter antifungal called Flouconzole.

> He said to take one a week for 3 weeks.

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HI Justeen

Thanks for that, have you had any problems with it and do you find it works well for you?

I am off to buy my first tablet today, is there any particular time of the day that is best to take it?

From: purplebee1999 <jt.higgins@...>Subject: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 12:13 PM

Hi,I buy my Flouconzole over the counter at Tescos pharmacy. It's £4.99for the tablet. It's active ingreient (Flouconzole) is identical instrength to the canesten make or any other make, but is much cheaper.The Canesten costs about £12.00 and boots own brand isn't muchcheaper. Worth bearing in mind if you have a Tesco with a pharmacynear you.Luv Justeen xx> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back > with a positive result.> Dr P has given me a protocol on how to treat it and one of them is by > taking an over the counter antifungal called Flouconzole.> He said to take one a week for 3 weeks.

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HI Justeen

Thanks for that, have you had any problems with it and do you find it works well for you?

I am off to buy my first tablet today, is there any particular time of the day that is best to take it?

From: purplebee1999 <jt.higgins@...>Subject: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 12:13 PM

Hi,I buy my Flouconzole over the counter at Tescos pharmacy. It's £4.99for the tablet. It's active ingreient (Flouconzole) is identical instrength to the canesten make or any other make, but is much cheaper.The Canesten costs about £12.00 and boots own brand isn't muchcheaper. Worth bearing in mind if you have a Tesco with a pharmacynear you.Luv Justeen xx> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back > with a positive result.> Dr P has given me a protocol on how to treat it and one of them is by > taking an over the counter antifungal called Flouconzole.> He said to take one a week for 3 weeks.

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Hi

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/05/fungus-causing-cancer-a-novel-approach-to-the-most-common-form-of-death.aspx

See this interview with Dr Tullio Simoncini....

your life will change and so will those around you change...but slowly.

Looks like this guy will get a Nobel Prize in the next decade.....or sooner....

bit like the Australians who discovered that Ulcers are caused by Helicobacter Pylori......

best wishes

Bob

>> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back

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Very interesting bob, really hope I havent got cancer though!

From: bob.m9uk <Bob.m9uk@...>Subject: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 1:19 PM

Hi

http://articles. mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2008/ 08/05/fungus- causing-cancer- a-novel-approach -to-the-most- common-form- of-death. aspx

See this interview with Dr Tullio Simoncini... .

your life will change and so will those around you change...but slowly.

Looks like this guy will get a Nobel Prize in the next decade.....or sooner....

bit like the Australians who discovered that Ulcers are caused by Helicobacter Pylori......

best wishes

Bob

>> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back

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Hi ,

I had no side effects that I can recall. I think because I feel so yuk

every day I wouldn't notice anyway! I took mine whenver I got home

from the pharmacy. I don't think there's a best time to take it.

I took a three week course because I'd finished a course of

antibiotics and got a nasty bout of thrush. I have taken it in the

past for candida as I did the spit in the glass test and had hundreds

of stringy tendrills (hhmmm..nice) After taking the flucanazole they

were much less in number so I used acipophillus for a month then

repeated the 3 flucanazole and I'm now clear on the spit test.

Don't forget garlic capsules (or fresh if you manage it) and caprylic

acid (holland and barrett). These are excellent antifungals. Keep off

the sugar and yeast too. Drink loads of water to help flush out the

toxins.

luv Justeen xxx

> HI Justeen

> Thanks for that, have you had any problems with it and do you find

it works well for you?

> I am off to buy my first tablet today, is there any particular time

of the day that is best to take it?

>

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Oh Bob - WHAT an amazing video - what an amazing doctor. As you say, this doctor should be awarded the Nobel Prize. Finding that all cancers are nothing more than a fungus that can be treated direct withi Bi carbonate of Soda is unbelievable. Now, if the recommendation is to treat all candida infections with Bi-Carbonate Soda, can you tell me how this could be done. If this would work by a daily infusion of BC and drinking this - how much would be enough to do the trick? As he states categorically that the BC has to have direct contact with the cancer (fungus) then this should be our new wonder treatment for all sufferers of systemic candidiasis.

I am just gob-smacked at the enormity of what this might mean.

Everybody, go and click on the link Bob sent, and then click on the video at the top and listen right from the beginning to the very end of Dr Dr Tullio Simoncini. I nearly cried it was so emotional and the implications of this is vast.

Luv - Sheila

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Hi

The point is that they are finding cancer is caused by a fungus - a fungus like candidiasis and they are finding that bicarbonate of soda is curing these cancers - curing the fungus. Candida is a fungus, and it is possible that bicarbonate of soda will be all that you need to cure your candida. If this is fact, this is a wonderful discovery.

I have sent this information to Dr Peatfield to see what he thinks Bicarbonate of soda is one of the most powerful antifungicides there is. It makes such sense to me.

What an amazing discovery if this doctor is correct.

Luv - Sheila

Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 1:19 PM

Hi

http://articles. mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2008/ 08/05/fungus- causing-cancer- a-novel-approach -to-the-most- common-form- of-death. aspx

See this interview with Dr Tullio Simoncini... .

your life will change and so will those around you change...but slowly.

Looks like this guy will get a Nobel Prize in the next decade.....or sooner....

bit like the Australians who discovered that Ulcers are caused by Helicobacter Pylori......

best wishes

Bob

>> Hello> I have recently had a candida antibody test done and it has come back

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I realise this , just wondered if it was because you hadn't stopped your thyroxine when you started using NAE that was suddenly catching up with you and causing these symptoms. If you stop, you should be able to start on the thyroxine that you are taking now.

Sheila

I have been boosting my adrenals with NAE for a month now while still taking the thyroxine, I didnt know I had to stop it. What I want to ask now is there any point in me stopping the thyroxine now after a month on NAE, I have probably got through the worst.

If I do stop do I have to build up the thyroxine or go straight back on the same dose and do you think I should stop bearing in mind I have been taking NAE for a month now? I have got Dr Ps book and read quite a lot of it, but obvioulsy didnt know about boosting the adrenals while stopping thyroxine.Dr P did ask me if I stopped the thyroxine while boosting the adrenals and I said no, he asked how I felt but didnt say anymore



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It may well be Sheila, all I know is that I feel really ill, feel sick all day everyday, I

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>Subject: Re: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 4:31 PM

 I realise this , just wondered if it was because you hadn't stopped your thyroxine when you started using NAE that was suddenly catching up with you and causing these symptoms. If you stop, you should be able to start on the thyroxine that you are taking now.

Sheila

I have been boosting my adrenals with NAE for a month now while still taking the thyroxine, I didnt know I had to stop it. What I want to ask now is there any point in me stopping the thyroxine now after a month on NAE, I have probably got through the worst.

If I do stop do I have to build up the thyroxine or go straight back on the same dose and do you think I should stop bearing in mind I have been taking NAE for a month now? I have got Dr Ps book and read quite a lot of it, but obvioulsy didnt know about boosting the adrenals while stopping thyroxine.Dr P did ask me if I stopped the thyroxine while boosting the adrenals and I said no, he asked how I felt but didnt say anymore



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Sorry sent that last mail before I had finished!

It may well be the reason I feel so ill at the moment Sheila, I have decided to cut back on the NAE from tomorrow to just 2 a day to see if that helps with this constant sick feeling and headaches, maybe I cant tollerate too much of it?

I have taken the fluconazole, about half an hour ago and of course me being me I am now panicing and waiting for something nasty to happen as I always do when I take anything new. I know I have to treat it though and I guess cant feel any worse than I do already.

I think the chemist thought I was taking it for vaginal thrush as he said one dose is enough and does the job, well it miight for thrush but I didnt go into it.

I will get next weeks dose from a different chemist!

From: sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...>Subject: Re: Re: Question for BOBthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 4:31 PM

 I realise this , just wondered if it was because you hadn't

Sheila

I have been boosting my adrenals with NAE for a month now while still taking the thyroxine, I didnt know I had to stop it. What I want to ask now is there any point in me stopping the thyroxine now after a month on NAE, I have probably got through the worst.

If I do stop do I have to build up the thyroxine or go straight back on the same dose and do you think I should stop bearing in mind I have been taking NAE for a month now? I have got Dr Ps book and read quite a lot of it, but obvioulsy didnt know about boosting the adrenals while stopping thyroxine.Dr P did ask me if I stopped the thyroxine while boosting the adrenals and I said no, he asked how I felt but didnt say anymore



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Bob

If the stomach acids might dilute bicarbonate of soda so it wouldn't be potent enough to cleanse all the intestines (small and large) to rid them of candida, would a beta blocker (such as 'Tagamet' that I was given when I had a deudenal ulcer to stop the stomach acid flowing whilst the ulcer healed) be something that might be considered?

Does that make sense?

Luv - Sheila

Hi ,I hope this isn't alarming, even though it is remarkable if true.I've spent a few hours reading the relevant literature this afternoonas a direct result of this video...and it's clear that they areworking on an urgent problem.The work I put up, above, was only the tip of the ice-berg.There's too much to put up in one go, I'll need to 'digest' and sort it.It explains how the change from a yeast to a fungal form takes placein hypoxic conditions. The hyphae that attach to the endothelial layerin the gut (for example) require a binding molecule ~ the mannose(sugar) based glycoproteins that are triggered in the hyphae by HWP1(Hyphae Wall Protein 1).They're looking for a way to disrupt the 'proper' functioning of theHWP1 ~ amongst other things.Appears that mild acids (acetic even) and hydrogen peroxide will causethe fungal form to die off by apoptosis; the 'safe' way to do it.I wonder if (cider?) vinegar and other formerly recognised remedieswill do as well as the 'wonder drugs' intended.It may be that varying the hydrogen ion concentration outside thecomfort zone for Candida Albicans will cause it to have a 'breakdown'.High pH with bicarbonate of soda, or low pH with mild acids,it seemsas though either will work?The pancreas is supposed to add bicarbonate to the small intestinethereby raising the pH and neutralising the acidity from the stomach.Low zinc would cause poor functioning of the carbonic anhydrase enzyme(it swaps bicarbonate for chloride).So, is this another manifestation of poor zinc levels? Candidiasis??I'd be unsurprised and thankful, if that is the case.Low zinc is known to be associated with cancers.It also associates with diabetes and with hypothyroidism.My 'penchant' for home-cooked peanuts (no added oils) may be explained, if that is so. (Nuts contain the trace elements needed for'germination' ~ gonadal zinc is vital in mammals and many other species).best wishesBob > No virus found in this incoming message.

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Hi Sheila,

....that would be worth knowing for the future..and may help, by

default.....I'll see if I can find anything...

best wishes

Bob

>

> Bob

>

> If the stomach acids might dilute bicarbonate of soda so it wouldn't

be potent enough to cleanse all the intestines (small and large) to rid

them of candida, would a beta blocker

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Hi Bob

Yes, I guess I did mean proton pump inhibator rather than beta-blocker. I guess the responses you are goiong to get concerning this subject is the usual recommended treatment, and like Armour, pharmacists won't go outside of these recommendations so guess you will not get the response you want from there. I also think the average pharmacist would think of candida as either genital or oral. So, the advice may not be exactly what we are looking for. I am sure I have something saved somewhere about the breath test for Helicobacter Pylori - will have to look it out.

Thanks Bob - let me know if you find anything. Still remembering the subject is regarding the use of bicarbonate soda in the possible treatment of systemic candidiasis.

Luv - Sheila

I think you meant proton pump inhibitor rather than beta blocker, didn't you Sheila?.....on reading a little further the re-conversion of the hyphal form back to the yeast form of candidiasis is thought to necessitate longer term vigilance on whatever treatment is used ~ eg, low carb with no sugars etc....interpreting what I was told, ..the pharmicist didn't mention the low carb diet ....? so between the medical profession and pharmacists, perhaps a little coordination might be helpful?I wonder what the standard treatment for Helicobacter Pylori would do if there's confusion on the cause of stomach problems....How are they differentiating between the one and the other? It should be a breath test, I think.....my father had this done many years (decades) after having an operation for ulcers ....best wishesBob>> Bob> > If the stomach acids might dilute bicarbonate of soda so it wouldn't be potent enough to cleanse all the intestines (small and large) to rid them of candida,No virus found in this incoming message.

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Hi , good to know you didn't have a bad experience, know you were

worried about it! Ruth x

>

> Hi

> Just a follow up on my candida treatment, I took the Fluconazole on

Tuesday and never felt a thing! No 'rapid die off' symptoms or

anything, this leads me to believe that although I tested positive to