Re: GB symptoms worsening/AF Betafood

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I have taken Dr. West's newsletters since 1992 and have saved them all. I go

back through them very often in searching out information for people. I found

one issue where he speaks about the AF Betafood and will type it here for you:

" I had a surgeon friend who sent his kids through college by removing

gallbladders. When he discovered AF Betafood by Standard Process Labs, his

number of gallbladder surgeries dropped by 95%. You see, this product is made

from beet juice which contains betaine. This natural gallbladder tonic helps

keep your bile thin and flowing. And flowing bile at the proper thickness is

the opposite of gallstones. He started prescribing two to three of these

tablets per meal with proper diet changes for three to six months, and he

rapidly discovered that he had ndo more surgery candidates. "

Good think his kids were through college!

I took the full dose of these tablets for quite some time but am now only taking

two a day as a maintenance dose.

You can send a SASE to his office (Health Alert, 100 Rd., #110, Monterey

CA 93940) and request Liver-Gallbladder Flush and he'll send you free info.

Amber

Hi again, Amber.

What precise are? A-F Betafood vitamins. What are they supposed to do? Are

there others in the newsgroup who have testimony to these?

-Fran

[Guest guest]

Yes, beets are extremely good for your gallbladder.

Those vitamins sound like a good idea (although I

always check with my doctor first to make sure), but

they must complement a healthy eating lifestyle. I

would recommend actually having the real thing, beets,

instead of taking the vitmins but all people are

different.

Drinking coffee or alcoholic beverages while still

feeling bad and taking these vitamins or even eating

beets will not help you.

--- Amber <amber@...> wrote:

> I have taken Dr. West's newsletters since 1992 and

> have saved them all. I go back through them very

> often in searching out information for people. I

> found one issue where he speaks about the AF

> Betafood and will type it here for you:

>

> " I had a surgeon friend who sent his kids through

> college by removing gallbladders. When he

> discovered AF Betafood by Standard Process Labs, his

> number of gallbladder surgeries dropped by 95%. You

> see, this product is made from beet juice which

> contains betaine. This natural gallbladder tonic

> helps keep your bile thin and flowing. And flowing

> bile at the proper thickness is the opposite of

> gallstones. He started prescribing two to three of

> these tablets per meal with proper diet changes for

> three to six months, and he rapidly discovered that

> he had ndo more surgery candidates. "

>

> Good think his kids were through college!

>

> I took the full dose of these tablets for quite some

> time but am now only taking two a day as a

> maintenance dose.

>

> You can send a SASE to his office (Health Alert, 100

> Rd., #110, Monterey CA 93940) and request

> Liver-Gallbladder Flush and he'll send you free

> info.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

> Hi again, Amber.

>

> What precise are? A-F Betafood vitamins. What are

> they supposed to do? Are

> there others in the newsgroup who have testimony

> to these?

>

> -Fran

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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I like beets but could not eat them three times a day, whereas I can take

tablets 3x a day. Your comment about checking with your doctor about taking

vitamins made me laugh right out loud. I'm sure you know that the average

doctor does not study nutrition.

Amber

Yes, beets are extremely good for your gallbladder.

Those vitamins sound like a good idea (although I

always check with my doctor first to make sure), but

they must complement a healthy eating lifestyle. I

would recommend actually having the real thing, beets,

instead of taking the vitmins but all people are

different.

.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/16/2007 2:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

robert_seoane@... writes:

> I listen to people then make up my own mind. I feel I

> would be making very detrimental desicions for myself

> if I only listen to alternative answers and ignore the

> medical community.

Ditto....

Feeling better today... no coffee and just got in from Whole Foods. Wife to

make a lite veggie dinner, although we bought fresh wheat bread and some

organic pesto dip. Was starving so much that I had to have some... wonder what

will

happen tonite? Will continue on the fast routine during the days as much as I

can this week. Had some organic apple juice this morning and it set me off

some for a short duration. Wasn't bad, tho. Looked for the A-F Betavitamins at

Whole Foods' extesnive holistic area, but did not have. Will seek out this week.

I like beets too.

Truly, thanks so much for everyone's support! I'll keep reporting and my

results should serve as some precedent.

All for now.

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I don't subscribe to the fact that all doctors are bad

guys. There are bad and good. My particular doctor has

approved many vitamins and other pills such as Stone

Free, lecithin and milk thistle.

I listen to people then make up my own mind. I feel I

would be making very detrimental desicions for myself

if I only listen to alternative answers and ignore the

medical community. Medicine has made tremendous

strides iand I think it would be dangerous not to hear

what they have to say at least.

--- Amber <amber@...> wrote:

> I like beets but could not eat them three times a

> day, whereas I can take tablets 3x a day. Your

> comment about checking with your doctor about taking

> vitamins made me laugh right out loud. I'm sure you

> know that the average doctor does not study

> nutrition.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

> Yes, beets are extremely good for your

> gallbladder.

> Those vitamins sound like a good idea (although I

> always check with my doctor first to make sure),

> but

> they must complement a healthy eating lifestyle. I

> would recommend actually having the real thing,

> beets,

> instead of taking the vitmins but all people are

> different.

>

>

> .

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Neither do I. Even though we live in a rural area, we are very fortunate to

have a doctor who not only listens to us, he has even learned a few things from

me! He is very open to trying natural methods before going to prescription

drugs. However, I do believe that the vast majority of doctors do not study

nutrition and therefore would not be able to give good advice as to whether a

particular vitamin or mineral would be helpful to a particular patient.

Amber

I don't subscribe to the fact that all doctors are bad

guys. There are bad and good. My particular doctor has

approved many vitamins and other pills such as Stone

Free, lecithin and milk thistle.

I listen to people then make up my own mind. I feel I

would be making very detrimental desicions for myself

if I only listen to alternative answers and ignore the

medical community. Medicine has made tremendous

strides iand I think it would be dangerous not to hear

what they have to say at least.

.

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Fran,

A-F Betafood is made by Standard Process, and this company wants you to buy

their products from a practitioner or authorized dealer. If you google Standard

Process, they can put you in touch with someone who will sell it to you. I

don't believe Standard Process wants their products sold in stores--and

definitely not on the internet by a discount website.

All the best,

Margh

----- Original Message -----

From: franniboy@...

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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:07 PM

Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening/AF Betafood

In a message dated 9/16/2007 2:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

robert_seoane@... writes:

> I listen to people then make up my own mind. I feel I

> would be making very detrimental desicions for myself

> if I only listen to alternative answers and ignore the

> medical community.

Ditto....

Feeling better today... no coffee and just got in from Whole Foods. Wife to

make a lite veggie dinner, although we bought fresh wheat bread and some

organic pesto dip. Was starving so much that I had to have some... wonder what

will

happen tonite? Will continue on the fast routine during the days as much as I

can this week. Had some organic apple juice this morning and it set me off

some for a short duration. Wasn't bad, tho. Looked for the A-F Betavitamins at

Whole Foods' extesnive holistic area, but did not have. Will seek out this

week.

I like beets too.

Truly, thanks so much for everyone's support! I'll keep reporting and my

results should serve as some precedent.

All for now.

Fran

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For those looking for Standard Process supplements, I've found them from a

chiropractor before also my dentist carries the Gingko for his patients. They

are high quality.

Best of luck, Dee

[Guest guest]

My health food store sells it. My massage therapist sells it. My chiropractor

sells it. And you can buy it direct by calling the number I gave previously.

Amber

A-F Betafood is made by Standard Process, and this company wants you to buy

their products from a practitioner or authorized dealer. If you google Standard

Process, they can put you in touch with someone who will sell it to you. I don't

believe Standard Process wants their products sold in stores--and definitely not

on the internet by a discount website.

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I had a very good day yesterday until about 3:00 AM this morning and had

about 4 mild attacks that caused me to lose the rest of my night's sleep. I had

to

drink a whole quart of sparlking mineral water until I fnally fell asleep.

The veggie dinner my wife made sat very well with me, except I had another

helping about 9:30 or 10:00 PM with a piece of wheat bread. I think the second

helping eaten later at night might have caused the problem... Too much for my

sensitive GB to handle.

I'm wondering why the worst of my attacks is happening in the early morning

hours between 12 and 6 AM?

I'll continue fasting today (with apple juices and water) an when I get

hungry only eat the things good for me in small amounts... until this settles

down.

Oh, and I did take ibuprofen to help with the suspect inflamation of the GB.

All for now. Will seek out A-F Beta vitamins today as well. I have got to get

a handle on this soon or I fear the GB will have to come out.

Thanks everyone.

Fran

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Please can someone give me a link to a supplier of this Beta food?

I wish to purchase it I am uk based

thanks

Anne

[Guest guest]

I did a Google search for you and came up with many links. Here's just one:

http://www.becomehealthynow.com/supps/af_betafood.shtml

Amber

Please can someone give me a link to a supplier of this Beta food?

I wish to purchase it I am uk based

thanks

Anne

.

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In a message dated 9/17/2007 1:43:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mmdh@... writes:

> Margh

>

Thanks, Margh. I just called my doctor because my wife insists that I make

sure nothing else is going on. Of course, the nurse who booked the appointment

said I have to see a surgeon if I'm having pain. I explained that I'm trying to

save my gall bladder....etc. She booked me anyway. Hoping to get an

ultrasound and some bloodwork...

Yes, I'm failiar with some of the herbs you mention. I'm fasting again and

just had apple juice with Acai, Mangostine and Noni juices added. I'll follow

with water and watch my diet and eating too late at night.

I'm wondering if I'll be able to do a flush by week's end... or...errr.. if

I shoudl attempt a flush. Very gassy today which I attribute to having drunk a

quart of sparlkling mineral water in the middle of the night.

Regards,

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I doubt that eating late at night is really good for anyone. That probably set

you off. I've found that eating smaller amounts but frequently has worked for

me. I know I couldn't do all that fasting.

Amber

The veggie dinner my wife made sat very well with me, except I had another

helping about 9:30 or 10:00 PM with a piece of wheat bread. I think the second

helping eaten later at night might have caused the problem

Fran

.

[Guest guest]

Fran,

There's something called the St. 's diet. Here's a link to it:

http://www.docsmed.com/gallbladder.htmI

Although this site is for anorexia/bulimia, the diet is appropriate for those w/

gallstones.

You're eating lots of fiber which may cause the gallbladder to react if you

don't work up to it. Avoiding all fats can actually shut the gallbladder down,

which is not really the best thing for it, based on what I've learned.

Maybe the St. 's diet could help you calm things down until you figure

out which foods are best for you. Sometimes herbs that help liquefy the bile

can help with GB distress also. I take some every day and am preparing for a

flush I hope to do next month. I have to go slowly because my body is very

reactive.

People have mentioned yellow coin grass as a good herb for the GB. Breakstone

tea can also be good. There are also Chinese remedies for the GB. It may be

helpful to work with a naturopath or other practitioner on the dosage.

Best of luck,

Margh

----- Original Message -----

From: franniboy@...

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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:58 AM

Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening/AF Betafood

Hi everyone,

I had a very good day yesterday until about 3:00 AM this morning and had

about 4 mild attacks that caused me to lose the rest of my night's sleep. I

had to

drink a whole quart of sparlking mineral water until I fnally fell asleep.

The veggie dinner my wife made sat very well with me, except I had another

helping about 9:30 or 10:00 PM with a piece of wheat bread. I think the second

helping eaten later at night might have caused the problem... Too much for my

sensitive GB to handle.

I'm wondering why the worst of my attacks is happening in the early morning

hours between 12 and 6 AM?

I'll continue fasting today (with apple juices and water) an when I get

hungry only eat the things good for me in small amounts... until this settles

down.

Oh, and I did take ibuprofen to help with the suspect inflamation of the GB.

All for now. Will seek out A-F Beta vitamins today as well. I have got to get

a handle on this soon or I fear the GB will have to come out.

Thanks everyone.

Fran

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Situation and symtoms worse today. It's 8:40 PM EST and just had another

attack post dinner.... veggies in pasta. Just made myself a beets and carrot

juice

drink since I had the hardest time finding A-F Beta vitammins for immmediate

use today. No local practioners I contacted today carry it. I'll pursue

tomorrow and also contact the mfgr. GB settling down now. I think I will go on a

near strict fast the rest of this week, drink water, apple and beet juices and

eating raw fruits and veggies as I get hungry in limited amounts.

All for now... yesterday I felt great until my middle of the night attacks.

Let's see if this beet juice helps tonite.

Regards,

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In a message dated 9/17/2007 9:13:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mmdh@... writes:

> Do you know of any naturopaths or holistic doctors in your area that can

> help? Sometimes even a chiropractor has experience in helping with

> gallbladders.

>

Yes, but they're extremely expensive, except for the chiro's who are covered

by insurance. I have very good insurance, but not certain how much it covers

for alternative therapies. Thanks for the heads-up on the beets. Just had my

first cup. I bought canned beats and juiced 1 can, then took its puree, remixed

it and added fresh corrot juice. If this discomfort and attacks continue the

GB might have to come out. It's most interfering with my livelihood and is

taxing my wif's patience, although she wants to be sure it's not something else

too. Understandable, she just lost her brother to cancer in July.

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Thanks, . That was all encouraging and makes sense to me.

I must keep reporting on this as it may become a precedent for GB matters.

See other mail from you there too, so I'll get to it now.

Regards,

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Fran,

Beet juice is very powerful and may cause your gallbladder to contract strongly.

It's perhaps best to work your way into beet juice. Even eating cooked beets

causes a strong GB contraction for me if I eat them two or more days in a row.

I know lots of people do GB cures on their own, but sometimes it's good to find

a practitioner to help you if you're having acute problems. Do you know of any

naturopaths or holistic doctors in your area that can help? Sometimes even a

chiropractor has experience in helping with gallbladders.

Take care,

Margh

----- Original Message -----

From: franniboy@...

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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:46 PM

Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening/AF Betafood

Situation and symtoms worse today. It's 8:40 PM EST and just had another

attack post dinner.... veggies in pasta. Just made myself a beets and carrot

juice

drink since I had the hardest time finding A-F Beta vitammins for immmediate

use today. No local practioners I contacted today carry it. I'll pursue

tomorrow and also contact the mfgr. GB settling down now. I think I will go on

a

near strict fast the rest of this week, drink water, apple and beet juices and

eating raw fruits and veggies as I get hungry in limited amounts.

All for now... yesterday I felt great until my middle of the night attacks.

Let's see if this beet juice helps tonite.

Regards,

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The reason you had an attack in the middle of the

night is because you ate again at 10PM. You have to

understand that when you eat after 8PM you will most

probably have an attack simply because you're asking

your digestive sytsem to once again go to work. And

when you have a problem with your gallbladder, your

digestive system will work slower simply because it is

not at its peak performance.

Understand that when you go to sleep, your entire body

needs rest. If you eat late, then you are asking your

digestive systrem to continue working late at night

while the rest of your body rests. If you have

gallstones, that will only make your digestive system

sluggish and work harder. Thats why you have pain.

When we are young and in our twenties and thirites.

eating late at night meant nothing. When we reach our

forties and beyond, our organs are almost half a

century old! You can't expect them to respond the same

way as if when you were younger. You MUST give your

organs a break and not eat ANYTHING after 8PM. Believe

me, it's much easier to fall asleep hungry than to be

up all night in pain. You need sleep and not sleeping

will only exacerbate all the problems you already have

and shorten your lifespan.

You must learn to stop living to eat and instead, eat

to live. Eat only what your body needs and ignore

hunger pangs. Hunger pangs are good. It only means

you're doing the right thing. You will soon stop

having pains and even not have heartburn and many

other digestive related problems if you eat to fuel

your body healthy stuff and not overdo it. Even if you

eat healthy, eating late will continue to make your

life miserable.

Have a good, fat free breakfast, eat fruit or salad

for lunch., Have a decent fat free dinner with only

chicken or fish before 8PM. Then staple your mouth

shut until the next morning. Thats why breakfast is so

important, because you are breaking your fast. Eat

this way, stop overeating, dont drink coffee and

alcohol, and in two months you'll be good as new. But

dont go back to your old habits if you want to stay

healthy. You'll only suffer agaian. You have to decide

whats more important, eating what you like or living

pain free.

--- franniboy@... wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I had a very good day yesterday until about 3:00 AM

> this morning and had

> about 4 mild attacks that caused me to lose the rest

> of my night's sleep. I had to

> drink a whole quart of sparlking mineral water until

> I fnally fell asleep.

>

> The veggie dinner my wife made sat very well with

> me, except I had another

> helping about 9:30 or 10:00 PM with a piece of wheat

> bread. I think the second

> helping eaten later at night might have caused the

> problem... Too much for my

> sensitive GB to handle.

>

> I'm wondering why the worst of my attacks is

> happening in the early morning

> hours between 12 and 6 AM?

>

> I'll continue fasting today (with apple juices and

> water) an when I get

> hungry only eat the things good for me in small

> amounts... until this settles down.

>

> Oh, and I did take ibuprofen to help with the

> suspect inflamation of the GB.

>

> All for now. Will seek out A-F Beta vitamins today

> as well. I have got to get

> a handle on this soon or I fear the GB will have to

> come out.

>

> Thanks everyone.

>

> Fran

>

>

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Eating small amount frequently of FAT FREE food like

fruits are definitely a good idea. But do NOT eat

after 8PM if you are still undergoing pain. You can

eat FAT FREE food if you can't help but eat late for

whatever reason, but make sure it's a small portion,

just enough to kill the hunger like a few wheat

crackers or a banana. Try to have as little animal

protein as possible. After two months, your liver will

bounce back and work much better.

--- Amber <amber@...> wrote:

> I doubt that eating late at night is really good for

> anyone. That probably set you off. I've found that

> eating smaller amounts but frequently has worked for

> me. I know I couldn't do all that fasting.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

> The veggie dinner my wife made sat very well with

> me, except I had another

> helping about 9:30 or 10:00 PM with a piece of

> wheat bread. I think the second

> helping eaten later at night might have caused the

> problem

>

> Fran

>

>

> .

>

>

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The reason you had that attack is because you had

pasta. You can't overfill yourself when you're in the

middle of attacks. Just eat the minimum amount of food

you can and it will go away., Stay close to non acidic

fruits, soft vegetables and water or broth. Eat only

easily digestible food such as bananas and soup broth.

Give your suffering digestive system a break for a

week and it will get better, but stay on the diet for

at least eight weeks so your liver can heal itself.

You are still suffering because during your attacks

you have had coffee and liquor and you have eaten

late. Every time you give your liver a break, you ruin

it by poisoning it with things that you know are bad

for you. The only way you're going to stop is if you

cant stand the pain any longer. Then you'll see how

easy it is to live without this stuff as long as your

pain free. Is the pain making you throw up? If its

not, consider yourself lucky. But lacl of sleep is

very bad for you too.

--- franniboy@... wrote:

> Situation and symtoms worse today. It's 8:40 PM EST

> and just had another

> attack post dinner.... veggies in pasta. Just made

> myself a beets and carrot juice

> drink since I had the hardest time finding A-F Beta

> vitammins for immmediate

> use today. No local practioners I contacted today

> carry it. I'll pursue

> tomorrow and also contact the mfgr. GB settling down

> now. I think I will go on a

> near strict fast the rest of this week, drink water,

> apple and beet juices and

> eating raw fruits and veggies as I get hungry in

> limited amounts.

>

> All for now... yesterday I felt great until my

> middle of the night attacks.

> Let's see if this beet juice helps tonite.

>

> Regards,

>

> Fran

>

>

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Hello Everyone,

Not doing too bad today although I did wake up about 4 AM since I'm drinking

alt of liquids and, thus, the wee wee routine. No major GB tremmors, though.

Seems when I wake up the GB wants to wake up as well. Got a little active this

morning, but not much pain or discomfort, so the juice/liquid fast is working.

The beet/carrot juice didn't seem to upset me either even though I drank it

somewhere afer hours between 8 and 8:30 PM last night.

I have to tell you that this whole matter is having a profound affect on me;

spiritually and health-wise. I hope I'm OK beyond the gall bladder problem.

Stomach area is a little tender on right side. I did have surgery for

diverticulitis a few years ago. There's a scar up the middle of me (and scar

tissue

below) and it could be bowel gas in that area making me tender. My neighbor is a

nurse and has had major surgeries including her GB removed and said the

tenderness is business as usual for a problematic GB. Fortunately, the

tenderness is

not in the liver area.

All for now and thanks to everyone for their support. It has helped alot and

strengthened my determination and resolve to get a handle on this GB problem.

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Thanks you guys (and gals). Fairly good day today...

Brief attack this morning. Lots of liquids all day. Oatmeal for Breakfast

(instant) and salad/fruit for lunch. Napped after work and missed dinner... had

brief attack 5 to 7 minute duration at about 8:30. Slept well when I napped

about 2-1/2 hours.

Concerned about this tummy tenderness I'm having... not so much upper

quadrant. Alot of gas... understandable. Doctor says it may be adhesions from my

diverticulitis surgery... but why on one side only. Feel like post-stomach virus

tenderness. Any clues? I know it's related to the GB instinctively... and the

gas doesn't help. Seems to be in the area of the colon.

Concerning A-F Beta... tough to get without a referral/consult... called the

company and only 2 distributors in my metro area. It'll cost me $125 to get a

$12 bottle. Believe it? One person is a doctor (MD) and I may see him on my

insurance. I'm wondering if he is also an alternative medicine doctor...or a

middle of the roader... since he carries the A-F. Other person is a DN

(Naturepath) and called me back 3 times today. Sounds anxious for my business...

but

it's expensive. I'll know what I'll do tomorrow.

All for now... more to report later.

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P.S.

Unlike Bob and Amber stated... I don't need to lose any weight. Hope this

dieting doesn't make me look emaciated and sickly-looking.

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